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00:00Let's break through! We're going to interview Aiba-san from now on.
00:07Aiba-san, nice to meet you.
00:08Nice to meet you, too.
00:09What kind of memories do you have?
00:11Well, I'd like to convey the difficult things in an easy-to-understand and interesting way.
00:18I see.
00:20Aiba Hideo, a best-seller writer who interviews the business scene as a reporter and portrays the realities of the economy and society.
00:29Aiba Hideo, a best-seller writer who interviews the business scene as a reporter and portrays the realities of the economy and society.
00:31A fishing computer, which is now in a fierce battle for distribution all over the world.
00:39It is said that it will revolutionize medical, finance, logistics, AI development, etc. in the future.
00:52Meanwhile, the fishing computer of light, which has overwhelming performance that surpasses others, is about to be born in Japan.
01:02Do you think it's a game-changer?
01:05Yes, I think so.
01:07It's a story about processing information and making it different, so I think it's a very impactful field.
01:15Aiba Hideo, a young developer who is passionate about the development of the fishing computer of light for the next industrial revolution.
01:28Aiba Hideo, a young developer who is passionate about the development of the fishing computer of light for the next industrial revolution.
01:35Aiba Hideo, a young developer who is passionate about the development of the fishing computer of light for the next industrial revolution.
01:39The site is inside the University of Tokyo.
01:45Aiba-san, this is it.
01:47Hello.
01:50Today's developer is here.
01:54Takase Kan, CEO of OptQC, aims to be a game-changer in the world.
02:01It's amazing.
02:02It's amazing.
02:03This is the fishing computer of light.
02:08Wow, it's amazing.
02:09It's amazing.
02:10I don't know what's amazing, but it looks amazing.
02:14Which one is the fishing computer?
02:16Everything here is the fishing computer.
02:19This is the computer?
02:20That's right.
02:21Each lens has a meaning.
02:25That's right.
02:26The angle of the lens and so on.
02:27It faces various angles.
02:28That's right.
02:30This is the fishing computer that the world is now in a hurry to develop.
02:37What is its ability to change the concept of conventional computers?
02:43Supercomputers are getting a lot of attention now, but are they faster than that?
02:48That's right.
02:49It's a very catchy way of saying it in the world.
02:51After all, things that take thousands of years will melt in a few minutes.
02:56In an experiment conducted by Google in 2019,
03:00a supercomputer took 10,000 years to calculate,
03:05but the fishing computer completed it in just 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
03:12What is the difference between a fishing computer with amazing performance and a conventional computer?
03:20I'm going to use this tool.
03:24In a conventional computer, all information is expressed in 0 and 1.
03:31For example, there are 0 and 1 like this.
03:35I prepare a lot of this and express the information by combining it.
03:39By processing it, I can calculate something.
03:44Conventional computers express all numbers and images with only 0 and 1, two electric signals.
03:53If you compare the calculation method to a dial-type key,
03:57you need to move the numbers one by one and repeat the calculation up to 10,000 times.
04:05On the other hand, a fishing computer instantly guides the number of the key.
04:12The ability to do this is a characteristic of a fishing computer.
04:19The information is expressed in a very strange state where 0 and 1 exist at the same time.
04:28If there are two numbers,
04:31they are in a state where 0 and 1 overlap and exist at the same time.
04:36Then, two numbers are 0, one number is 1, one number is 1, and both numbers are 1.
04:42You can express four patterns at once.
04:47In conventional electric signals,
04:49if you want to find a combination of four numbers,
04:52you need a maximum of 16 lines, as shown in the figure.
04:57However, a fishing computer can try all 16 lines at once
05:02by using a system that can express a large number of fishing bits.
05:08It's a system that can process a lot of information.
05:11It's called expression, right?
05:13That's right.
05:14Yes, it is.
05:15Nowadays, we live in a society where we can't do anything without a computer.
05:20The performance of a computer determines how convenient the world will be.
05:25But if you make a completely new computer,
05:29and if you don't make a new board,
05:33the progress of humanity will stop.
05:36So, this is the basis for going beyond the limit, right?
05:39That's right.
05:42A fishing computer that makes humanity progress.
05:46Aiba Hideo, the author, approaches the infinite possibilities.
05:51Aiba Hideo, the author, approaches the infinite possibilities.
05:54For example, what kind of industry are you actually approaching now?
05:59Have you heard about it?
06:02Well, there are a lot of people who are developing materials.
06:06Materials?
06:07Pharmaceuticals take a long time, like 10 years,
06:11and a lot of money to develop.
06:14At first, there are tens of thousands of candidates,
06:19and the work is to narrow them down.
06:22At the first stage, if you have a fishing computer,
06:25you may be able to narrow it down to, for example, 100 or 10 candidates.
06:29Oh, I see.
06:30You're good at compressing, right?
06:34That's right.
06:35There were 10,000 of them, but I can't use all of them.
06:40If you ask me to verify 10 of them,
06:42the period may be shortened at once.
06:45In theory, can a fishing computer be used as an infrastructure?
06:51For example, there is a theory that a fishing computer can be used in the area of optimization.
06:58Let's load cargo on a ship and send it overseas.
07:01There are so many cargo,
07:03what kind of order to load,
07:05what kind of schedule to send,
07:07which is the most efficient.
07:09It is said that such a problem can be done with a fishing computer.
07:14I'm interested in the mobility industry,
07:17such as autonomous driving.
07:20I think the information processing of a car is completely local,
07:25but if a lot of cars move at once,
07:28without traffic jams,
07:30you need a smart computer that summarizes the whole thing.
07:34If there is a fishing computer in such a place,
07:36I think the city will run very smoothly.
07:39I see.
07:40It's true that many journalists and reporters are reacting
07:44that there are no people in the driver's seat
07:47when they drive an autonomous car.
07:50Yes, I do that too.
07:52So, in order to control all that,
07:55you need a system with an incredible ability, right?
08:00We calculate which car is the most efficient
08:03in which route.
08:05You can't do that with the existing computer, right?
08:08That's right.
08:09I know that such a class problem is quite difficult with the current computer.
08:13Based on what I've heard so far,
08:16our lives and the lives of children in the future will change.
08:21Do you understand that it will be a game changer?
08:24Yes, I think so.
08:26In today's society,
08:28computers seem to be high-performance enough,
08:31but there are still a lot of useless parts
08:34that are not efficient at all.
08:38I think that a new information processing system,
08:41a fishing computer, will solve all those parts.
08:46The industrial revolution brought great changes to the manufacturing industry
08:50with the emergence of steam engines in the 18th century.
08:55In the 20th century,
08:57the utilization of electricity and automation progressed,
09:00and IT technology also emerged.
09:02It changed the way of business.
09:06And now,
09:07the fishing computer is expected to make a new paradigm shift.
09:14It is said that it will be a 100 trillion yen market in the future.
09:19IBM, Google, and other giants around the world
09:23are pouring in huge development costs.
09:27On the other hand,
09:30if fishing computers become practical,
09:33it will be easier to decrypt codes,
09:36and financial systems and security guarantees will be exposed to danger.
09:41For this reason,
09:42development competitions around the United States and China are heating up.
09:49Takase is working on the development of a new fishing computer
09:52with a Japanese spirit.
09:56But there is a big wall.
10:01The gap with the superpowers.
10:05Looking at Japan's position internationally,
10:08where do you think Japan is now?
10:10I think Japan is not at the top.
10:12The United States is strong.
10:15The big name is Google and IBM.
10:18They have invested a lot of money
10:22and have developed a lot of talented people.
10:25They actually sell products, especially IBM.
10:29But Japan is buying them.
10:33For example,
10:35will Japan back up at the national level
10:39so that it can catch up with the superpowers?
10:44What do you think?
10:46Well, I think the lack of budget
10:50will inevitably come out.
10:55The United States is a very large country.
10:57No matter how hard they try,
10:59they can't catch up with the budget.
11:02I don't know if it's enough
11:05to launch a strong company.
11:10In order to win the world,
11:12Takase and his team have been developing
11:15a completely new fishing computer.
11:19A new type of computer that moves with light.
11:21I think it's the ultimate fishing computer.
11:27A new type of computer that moves with light.
11:30I think it's the ultimate fishing computer.
11:34I think it's the ultimate fishing computer.
11:37In order to start a new industrial revolution,
11:40there is an international competition
11:42for the development of a fishing computer.
11:46In the midst of this competition,
11:48surprising technologies were about to emerge from Japan.
11:52This is a new type of computer that moves with light.
11:57I think this is the ultimate quantum computer.
12:02A quantum computer that illuminates the hope of Japan.
12:09The principle is that it hides a battle from the past.
12:15There is a module that emits quantum light.
12:19The light comes out from here.
12:23It is reflected by this mirror.
12:25It comes here.
12:27It comes here.
12:29It passes through this lens.
12:32It is reflected, reflected, and reflected again.
12:35It comes to this mirror.
12:37That's how it works.
12:39I see.
12:41I said I see, but I don't understand at all.
12:44This is really...
12:46Until now, computers transmitted signals by passing electricity through a metal circuit on the board.
12:55The light quantum computer developed by Takase uses a large number of lenses to transmit signals.
13:05There are three major advantages of using light.
13:10The first is...
13:12For example, I want you to think of communication.
13:15In the old days, the internet was very slow.
13:20When it came to light communication, it was faster.
13:22That's because of the difference between electricity and light.
13:25Computers can say the same thing.
13:27It's common sense to move with electricity now.
13:30I want to make it work with light.
13:33It's easy to understand.
13:35By using light, which is the fastest material, the processing speed increases dramatically.
13:42The second is...
13:45Mr. Aiba, I have a quantum computer that I have interviewed before.
13:50It's from another company.
13:52It was more strictly managed and isolated in a thick wall.
13:59It's an IBM-made quantum computer in Japan that sits in a thick glass-separated space.
14:08There's a big reason why it's so strictly isolated.
14:14Other quantum computers, for example, are very cold.
14:18You have to bring it close to the refrigerator to keep it from moving.
14:22The point is that light works in an environment where people can stand.
14:30General quantum computers only operate at super low temperatures.
14:35When they operate, they generate a lot of heat.
14:40For this reason, like supercomputers and data centers,
14:45a huge amount of electricity is required for cooling.
14:49On the other hand,
14:51if you use light, you don't consume as much electricity in the first place.
14:55It operates at super low temperatures and doesn't generate heat,
14:59so you can solve the energy problem.
15:04And the third advantage is...
15:07As a feature of light, it doesn't get that big.
15:12It's a very good feature.
15:16General quantum computers are large in size to connect several computers to improve performance.
15:24However, light is said to be able to generate even one high-performance computer and make it even smaller.
15:32Since it's a computer, it probably has to be released to the world.
15:37At that time, I don't think it will sell if it becomes a huge quantum computer that costs 1 trillion yen.
15:44I think light quantum computers that can be made at a realistic size and cost will be the next-generation infrastructure.
15:53How much can you do to make it practical?
15:58I hope that in 10 years, it will be as popular as the current AI.
16:05I see.
16:06Now is the era of AI.
16:09I hope that in 10 years, it will be called a quantum computer.
16:16Starting this month, the manufacturing of the first model of the practical model will begin.
16:21It is planned to start research for mass production next year.
16:30Is there any weakness in light?
16:32The problem now is that the potential is very high, but there is not a single way to pull it out.
16:41Are quantum computers and light controlled?
16:46I think it's a very good point.
16:48What quantum computers want to do is to completely control the quantum.
16:54If you can do that, you're done.
16:56It's a finish.
16:57It's a quantum computer that can move completely, but there are still many parts that can't be controlled.
17:04For example, in F1, even if you have 10,000 rpm, you don't use it.
17:14In F1, you use 20,000 rpm.
17:16You can extend it more, right?
17:18Yes.
17:19For example, in a car, you can accelerate very fast by pressing the accelerator hard,
17:24but you have to go on a winding road, so you have to adjust the steering wheel.
17:29It's a very simple operation, but it's not catching up with the fine adjustments.
17:36But you can overcome that, right?
17:39Yes, I think so.
17:41I recently published an article.
17:44When I was making a quantum bit of light, I noticed that I was actually doing something very inefficient.
17:51For example, I found that I could make a quantum bit of light a million times faster than I could make a quantum bit of light in one second.
17:58If I can do that, I think I'll be one or two steps closer to a practical quantum computer.
18:04I'd like to take this idea on my own.
18:09Takase is working hard, repeating trial and error with his own hands in search of unparalleled success.
18:20I adjust everything by hand, put it down by hand, and tighten the screws here.
18:25It's quite difficult if you're not good at it.
18:29He seems to devote his life to developing a quantum bit of light, but his awakening was unexpected.
18:39Takase, how old are you now?
18:42I'm 31 years old.
18:44You're very young, aren't you?
18:46I guess so.
18:48What kind of child were you?
18:50I grew up in the countryside.
18:52I grew up in the countryside of Hyogo.
18:55I've been playing in nature for a long time.
19:00Why did you want to go into that field?
19:04I've been interested in science since I was in elementary school.
19:09I think I'm good at math and science.
19:12Maybe I was interested in natural science because I grew up in nature.
19:18I was interested in physics when I was in college.
19:22Physics was my major.
19:25I thought it was beautiful to explain everything with a few principles.
19:31It was fun to do that.
19:33When I decided to go into physics, it was a big choice to go to the Faculty of Science or the Faculty of Engineering.
19:41At that time, my senior told me that the Faculty of Science is a department that deals with nature all the time.
19:50The Faculty of Engineering is a department that deals with people.
19:54I thought I was in the Faculty of Engineering when I decided to make something convenient and deliver it to people.
20:03I spent a lot of time with people and got to know various technologies.
20:09Gradually, I wanted to be useful to the human society.
20:15Then I met Professor Furusawa.
20:22Akira Furusawa is a professor of engineering at the University of Tokyo.
20:30More than 25 years ago, he set out to the world to study quantum computers.
20:37In 1998, he succeeded in quantum teleportation, which is the basis of quantum computers.
20:45At that time, he was chosen by the Faculty of Science as one of the major achievements of the year.
20:51Furusawa's name was known all over the world.
20:55Is it possible that you may be nominated for the Nobel Prize?
20:59Yes, I'd like to win the Nobel Prize someday.
21:02I think I'm competing with Professor Furusawa on whether OptQC will succeed or not.
21:10Takase devoted himself to research under Furusawa.
21:15OptQC was established by entrusting him with the practicalization of quantum computers.
21:22What is the role of Professor Furusawa in the future?
21:26I'm 62 years old now.
21:29I'm old enough not to be motivated to start a new business.
21:36But young people tell me to do whatever I want.
21:40So I entrust myself to young people.
21:42On the other hand, you are still young.
21:47You don't have any regrets, do you?
21:49Yes, I do.
21:51You became a researcher and an entrepreneur.
21:54Certainly, there is such a aspect.
21:57But now, over the past 20 years,
22:00Japan has been building up quantum technology centered on Professor Furusawa.
22:04It's in a pretty good position in the world.
22:07I have a strong desire to bring this to society and make it usable.
22:12On the contrary, I want to gather the best people in the company I created
22:16and do something that I can't do on my own with everyone's help.
22:21I think that's a great thing.
22:24There are a lot of excellent people around me.
22:27I feel very motivated to create a place where such people can exert 100% of their power and produce good results.
22:33Breakthrough will be broadcast on TVer.
22:38Finally, the writer Hideo Aiba will ask.
22:42What does Breakthrough mean to you?
22:44We are making a very challenging thing called a quantum computer.
22:50I think that if it is realized, it can be used for a variety of things,
22:54and if the world becomes more efficient, the progress of humanity will be faster.
22:58I want to end my life after seeing that the human society will be so great.
23:04Mr. Aiba, how did you see the first location today?
23:10I feel that this technology is really promising for the future.
23:14I want to make the country proud there.
23:19If people who invest money don't come out properly,
23:23he will end up having fun.
23:27I thought it was a waste.
23:41Breakthrough will be broadcast on TVer.
23:47TVer will also broadcast Hideo Aiba's deep-diving content.