Welcome to another episode of The Veterinary Roundtable! In this episode, the ladies discuss a female dog with... testes, using AI to impregnate large animals, schooling for an aspiring surgery vet tech, and more!
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Intro 00:00
Pits And Peaks 03:32
Tails From The Trenches 14:48
Case Collections 18:08
Schooling For An Aspiring Surgery Vet Tech In Mixed Practice 25:35
An Update On Neighbor Ben's Dog 33:26
Using AI For Impregnation In Vet Med 34:35
Pre-Vet Student Mentioning The Veterinary Roundtable During Interview 36:42
Outro 38:04
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TIMESTAMPS
Intro 00:00
Pits And Peaks 03:32
Tails From The Trenches 14:48
Case Collections 18:08
Schooling For An Aspiring Surgery Vet Tech In Mixed Practice 25:35
An Update On Neighbor Ben's Dog 33:26
Using AI For Impregnation In Vet Med 34:35
Pre-Vet Student Mentioning The Veterinary Roundtable During Interview 36:42
Outro 38:04
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00:00The surgery was done completely fine.
00:02You know why my immune system's so strong?
00:03They let me lick the Walmart floor when I was little.
00:05Oh, gross.
00:06Basically, all the doctors who were there come together.
00:09We pulled the ultrasound, and she
00:11had free fluid in her abdomen.
00:12Because I could tell the mom was grieving one way.
00:15She wanted to talk about it, and then the dad
00:17didn't want to talk about it.
00:18And he just looked so sad.
00:19Oh.
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00:44Because all the doctors there are professional doctors,
00:46they go out and do sting practices and stuff.
00:51And I think it's a really great thing,
00:54and I think people I know today are just
00:56Whoa!
00:57Bam!
00:58Take the reigns!
00:59Spotify is really pulling through because Apple is only up by one.
01:03We're now at 126, previously 125.
01:06But we're not going negative, so that's good.
01:09No.
01:10It's not possible.
01:11We still gained on both.
01:12Yeah.
01:13I don't know if it's possible to go negative.
01:14People can delete their comments, right?
01:16I guess that's true.
01:17That'd be rude.
01:18That would be kind of funny when we're like, wait a minute.
01:21Next week is at like 20.
01:22We have zero.
01:24Yeah, I don't know.
01:25Six.
01:26I feel good about six in a week on Spotify.
01:27Yeah.
01:28And our goal on Spotify is 500, and then we're going to do something else, right?
01:29Yep.
01:30Yeah, but when we get closer, we're going to decide it and have the filming or whatever
01:31date set.
01:32Yes.
01:33So we can deliver quicker than last time.
01:34No delays for the people.
01:35Yes.
01:36No excuses.
01:37Well, it's difficult because all four of us have different schedules.
01:38Yeah.
01:39Yeah, but we'll just be better.
01:40We'll figure it out.
01:41Yeah, we got to be better.
01:42We will improve.
01:43Yes, we will.
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01:56What did you just say?
01:57The Veterinary Roundtable!
01:58Oh, I thought you said the wrong roundtable.
01:59Our name!
02:00That too, I guess.
02:03Instagram and TikTok.
02:05And then we have a YouTube channel where all the video podcasts will be published going
02:08forward at the Veterinary Roundtable on YouTube.
02:11If you want to see our beautiful faces.
02:14Yeah.
02:15Beautiful.
02:16Our red scrubs.
02:17And us sitting differently and having our socks out.
02:20sometimes we don't have our shoes on,
02:22I'm actually gonna take them off.
02:22I went my Jeffree socks out today.
02:24What, the one time I wear shoes,
02:26you guys go barefoot?
02:27I don't wear these anymore
02:28because they're getting holes and I'm sad.
02:29I know I can order new ones,
02:31but these are my OG Jeffree socks.
02:33I have a Phyllis and a Frank.
02:35The clinic used to, we don't do it anymore,
02:37but on our birthdays, we would get a pair of socks
02:39with our pets' faces on it.
02:41So that's a great way to lift up morale.
02:44I put these on this morning
02:45and I meant to put it in the suggestion box today,
02:47but I'm going to have to bring that back.
02:48I know, that was me.
02:49I think it's awesome.
02:50Yeah, I agree.
02:51And if they only have one pet,
02:52just get them a new pair every year.
02:54Yeah.
02:56I agree.
02:56Bring it back.
02:58I'm Dr. Ashlyn Duckwell.
02:59I'm Devin Fortune.
03:00And I'm Courtney Allen.
03:02And this is the Veterinarian Roundtable.
03:04And we are missing King.
03:06She ditched us for Tennessee.
03:08Yeah, lame.
03:08Not the first time.
03:09Rude.
03:10Lame, Indiana's better, especially today.
03:12Yay.
03:14The weather's great.
03:15You were never gonna say that again.
03:16You don't mean that.
03:17I don't.
03:18I've always wanted to get out, but it's stuck.
03:22Yeah.
03:22Okay.
03:23All right, pits and peaks.
03:25Who wants to take it away?
03:27Courtney and I share the same peak.
03:29Okay, well then I'll just go first real quick here.
03:33My peak is, it was beautiful out.
03:36Gotta get outside, sit in the sunshine.
03:38Oh yeah, you had the day off.
03:39You had the day off.
03:41Devin, if you're not watching,
03:43is reaching to the back of a pillow,
03:45so I don't know what is happening.
03:47And my pit is, okay, a couple episodes ago,
03:50I said, oh, I got to be going on a mom date with kids.
03:54We went to a coffee shop.
03:55Well, that said coffee shop got me and Helen sick.
03:58What?
03:59So all last week I was fighting a virus,
04:01and it's still lingering a little bit
04:04to where I'm like uncomfortable enough
04:06to like not be excited throughout the day.
04:09But it's getting better, thankfully.
04:12Are the other people sick?
04:13No, the other family didn't get sick.
04:15How do you know it came from the coffee shop?
04:16I don't.
04:18I was supposed to be, I'm just blaming it.
04:20Charles was traveling, and it was just me and her.
04:22You have a really weak immune system, I feel like.
04:24Oh no, like my family has immune deficiency.
04:26Yeah, it's a known thing.
04:27Oh.
04:28Like it's an actual diagnosis.
04:29I did not know that.
04:32I didn't have, mostly my siblings and my parents,
04:35I was the one with the healthiest, ironically.
04:37Wow.
04:38I feel like you're sick more than you're not sick.
04:41Yeah, that's correct.
04:42Helen's been sick more of her life.
04:43Like legitimately.
04:44Poor girl.
04:45I've asked to get Helen tested, because it's just so.
04:48Is there anything you can do about it?
04:50Yeah, my brother gets infusions to boost his immune system.
04:54Huh.
04:54Every week or two weeks.
04:56Oh wow, that's frequent.
04:57Yeah, so.
04:58Yeah, it's a thing.
04:59I'm not faking it.
05:01Sorry.
05:02It's okay, it's just reality.
05:03You didn't have a diagnosis, I'll diagnose you.
05:07Yeah.
05:08Hey, you know what my parents always said?
05:10You know why my immune system's so strong?
05:11They let me lick the Walmart floor when I was little.
05:13Oh, gross.
05:15I don't know if they actually did, they might have,
05:16I don't know.
05:17If you don't have one there, though.
05:18It was a different time then.
05:20If you don't have an immune system,
05:22that's really not gonna help.
05:22Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
05:24Yeah, you're right.
05:24When I was young enough,
05:26when I was spending most of my life in a barn,
05:28that my immune system's pretty strong.
05:30Yeah.
05:31There you go.
05:31You know, just touch things, people.
05:34Helen will be fine when she's older.
05:35Yeah, she'll be great.
05:36Keep her in the barn.
05:36She's fine, yeah.
05:38You stay out here tonight.
05:39She now has barn gym shoes and normal shoes,
05:41because she would wear barn gym shoes
05:43and then go to daycare and stuff.
05:45I was like, we shouldn't do this.
05:47She doesn't live in a barn.
05:48She just really likes to hang out in there.
05:50Is that poop on her?
05:52Yes, but it's okay.
05:53What kind of poop?
05:54Duck, but it's fine.
05:56No, definitely not the duck.
05:57She's nowhere near those bees.
06:00Fireball turns five this year.
06:02She's already five this month.
06:03Who?
06:04Fireball.
06:05That's crazy.
06:06One of my ducks.
06:07She ain't never gonna die.
06:08She ain't gonna die.
06:08The things that girl has survived.
06:09That's a long life for a duck.
06:10She has seen a lot.
06:12All odds have literally been against her.
06:13That could be in the trenches story
06:16if we don't have any one time.
06:18Talk about each massacre.
06:20We need to jot that down.
06:22Yeah, that's crazy.
06:24Go Fireball.
06:25If you didn't get that, she's a duck.
06:29Named by my nephews.
06:30Okay, should we do our peeks first, Devin?
06:33Sure.
06:34Whip it out, what you got hiding over there?
06:35Go with your pit.
06:36My pit, okay.
06:37My pit is, I think every time I say this,
06:41I feel very privileged and kind of bratty,
06:44but I've always had leased cars.
06:46Okay.
06:47So when I first got my driver's license,
06:49my parents surprised me.
06:50I know.
06:51With a leased Civic, a Honda Civic.
06:54It was brand new.
06:56The reason being, he didn't want a teenager
06:57to have to deal with a whole bunch of car issues.
06:59Blah, blah, blah.
07:00It was covered because teenagers are stupid.
07:02Anyway, so then I traded that car in.
07:05I got another lease.
07:06And then I decided not to buy that car.
07:08And so I bought my next car with all cash.
07:11So I own my car currently.
07:12Okay.
07:13It's a 2013 Honda Pilot.
07:14Yeah.
07:15Love my car.
07:16Well, he's having some issues.
07:18Oh, no.
07:19My father-in-law's a mechanic,
07:21so usually he handles most things,
07:23but I have to take it to Honda for this problem.
07:26Oh, no.
07:26So it's gonna, a couple hundred dollars,
07:28but it's worth it.
07:29What is it?
07:30Do you know?
07:31Because I own the car.
07:31My transmission.
07:32Oh, no.
07:33So the fluid is just,
07:34needed to be changed a long time ago,
07:36and we didn't know that,
07:37because we thought it was changed when I bought it,
07:38but it wasn't.
07:41Hopefully it'll fix the problem,
07:43because my car shutters.
07:45So I'll be driving,
07:46and the steering wheel's like,
07:47like it feels like I'm going over
07:49like really, really, really rough paper.
07:50Like gravel, yeah.
07:51Like the whole car just shakes,
07:52because the transmission has nothing to run on.
07:54Yeah.
07:55So I gotta do that this weekend,
07:56on top of taking my husband's truck to get an oil change.
07:59You could do it Thursday.
08:00No, I can't.
08:01They don't have appointments.
08:02So I gotta get that figured out.
08:04And then there's a couple other weeks,
08:05but my father-in-law can fix those.
08:07So it's just,
08:08it's like new territory,
08:09because when you have a new car,
08:11you don't really have to worry about anything
08:11except oil changes.
08:13But then having a used car,
08:14you gotta put a little bit more money into it,
08:16but it'll last me a long time,
08:18hopefully, because it's taken care of.
08:20So.
08:21Yep.
08:22Just kind of annoying,
08:23more than anything.
08:23Yeah.
08:24Car problems are just annoying.
08:25Because it just adds to your schedule on a weekend.
08:26You don't want to,
08:27and then you have to spend money to add to your schedule.
08:29Yeah.
08:30I hate dealing with it.
08:31Yeah.
08:32And wintertime's slow for my husband's job.
08:34So then,
08:36more money, more problems.
08:37Yeah.
08:37Yeah.
08:38Yeah.
08:39It's fine.
08:40More cars, it sounds like,
08:41more problems.
08:42That's true.
08:43Yes, that's true.
08:44It's fine.
08:45It'll get fixed, hopefully,
08:46and that'll just,
08:46everybody say a prayer that after it gets fixed,
08:48I don't have to change my transmission.
08:49Yeah.
08:50Yeah.
08:51Because it's so,
08:52that would be.
08:53Well, if you get stuck on the side of the road,
08:53you can call me.
08:54Okay, great.
08:55Okay.
08:56Or me.
08:57Or me.
08:58Just don't be on a road trip,
08:58because I'm not going to hit you.
08:59I'll call somebody.
09:00A little bit later.
09:01Yeah.
09:02It'll be fine.
09:03Okay.
09:04Okay.
09:05My pit,
09:05I will shed a little bit of light on.
09:07I was waiting for her to pull out.
09:08It's really not that exciting.
09:09Was it the jerky stick?
09:10It's not.
09:11No.
09:12What?
09:12I saw jerky sticks over there,
09:13and I saw you point to Courtney like.
09:15Let me talk about my pit.
09:17Sorry.
09:18The audacity.
09:21I'm shedding a little bit of light
09:22to the case that Courtney discussed last week.
09:24It was the cat that suffered
09:27a lot of things,
09:28and ended up passing.
09:30But I was rather close to the family.
09:34That kitty was honestly like my first
09:36loyal and long-term pet-sitting client.
09:40Met them a couple years back
09:41when she was just a kitten.
09:43And the past three summers,
09:45I've pet sat her for two months at a time
09:47while the family travels across the world.
09:50So I was close to her,
09:52close to the family.
09:54It was just a nice relationship.
09:56So that of course hit me hard.
09:57But they elected to
10:00cremate the kitten.
10:04And she returned today,
10:07and they were back with their other cat
10:08to get her checked up
10:09after everything that went down.
10:11So I had the privilege of
10:12returning her to the family.
10:14Full circle.
10:15It was just sad.
10:16We talked about how the whole family was doing.
10:18They have two sons,
10:20how the other cat is doing.
10:21So it was nice,
10:23but it's difficult.
10:25Because I could tell the mom
10:26was grieving one way,
10:27like she wanted to talk about it,
10:29and then the dad didn't want to talk about it,
10:30and he just looked so sad.
10:32And the children are grieving differently,
10:35and it's just,
10:37it was sad.
10:37The cat's grieving.
10:39Yeah.
10:40It's hard when grief hits you
10:42so many different ways.
10:43It's just fascinating though
10:44to see how they're all grieving so differently.
10:47I'm sure they appreciate you
10:48showing care and compassion,
10:50and being like,
10:51hey, your cat touched my life too,
10:52and you guys did.
10:54And I was there that day when that happened,
10:55so I saw them then,
10:56and we hugged it out.
10:59They said that they're doing okay,
11:00but they're talking about getting a kitten
11:03because their other cat is so,
11:05she's so active,
11:06and she needs a friend.
11:07And when they go to Turkey this summer,
11:10she's gonna be all alone,
11:11so like, yeah,
11:12she's gonna need a friend for that.
11:13Like, so you'll have a ragdoll kitten.
11:15Oh!
11:16Yeah.
11:17They have British short hair
11:18and British long hair.
11:19The British short hair's the one that passed.
11:20Oh, okay.
11:21It was heart failure.
11:22Oh.
11:23At three years old?
11:24It was an intense,
11:26intense day for everybody involved.
11:28Well, I saw the recap of it
11:31and stuff like that,
11:31but I wasn't there when it happened.
11:33Yeah.
11:35It was just nice to reconnect with them.
11:38They're little tickers.
11:39You just,
11:40they're just taken away.
11:42You never know.
11:43Silent sufferers.
11:44Yeah.
11:46Okay, well, get on to this peak.
11:47I'm waiting in anticipation.
11:49Well, clearly it's not that big of a peak.
11:50Okay, so we both had a really long day,
11:53and we were talking about it,
11:55and I'm like,
11:55okay, so I come straight from work
11:57to the podcast on Tuesdays now.
11:59And so then I get home
12:00and I don't want to eat dinner
12:03because it's so late.
12:04Yeah.
12:05And so our lead came to me
12:07and she was like,
12:07you guys want a snack for the podcast?
12:09And we're like,
12:10yeah, because I had popcorn
12:11and that's not a substantial meal.
12:12Yeah.
12:12Well, actually,
12:13I feel like I should share what I was doing.
12:15I was doing aftercare on a patient.
12:17Oh, sure.
12:17And it was a bulldog,
12:19and I was trying to do a nose print,
12:20and you can imagine how that was going.
12:22Oh, yeah.
12:23So I called Courtney.
12:24I'm like, hey, what you doing?
12:25So I had her come
12:26and give her opinion on my nose prints
12:28that I'd had.
12:29And she was eating her popcorn.
12:31And then.
12:32Did you fill that out?
12:33And then.
12:36Sanitary.
12:37Back to,
12:38there's a computer overheating or something.
12:41Take cover.
12:43Blow up.
12:44And then go back to.
12:45And then Amber asked if we wanted beefsteak.
12:47Beefsteak.
12:48And we said, yeah.
12:50So we brought our beefsteak.
12:51It was a beefsteak.
12:53It's not a jerky steak.
12:54Oh.
12:56So we both are now going to enjoy our beefsteak.
12:58But beefsteaks are like my favorite snack.
13:00I like don't.
13:01Who doesn't love a good beefsteak?
13:04Clearly duck wool.
13:06I have so many comments I just wanted to make.
13:09Really struggling to open it.
13:10The office joke that he,
13:12Michael always says,
13:13that's really what I wanted to say.
13:14Oh, I don't want to know.
13:15I know.
13:16I can't.
13:17That's what she said.
13:18That's what I wanted to say.
13:20I mean.
13:21I just all got stuck in my permanent retainer.
13:22I don't mind them,
13:23but I don't like looking at them.
13:29Like they just look.
13:32Like if you think about it too much.
13:34It's just like.
13:35I'm going to be completely honest.
13:36Like hot dogs.
13:36Jack Lange ones are better.
13:37Oh yeah.
13:38I'll eat a hot dog,
13:39but I don't want to think about it.
13:40Oh no.
13:41Yeah.
13:42Don't no.
13:43Cause you will vomit.
13:44Yeah.
13:45Yeah.
13:46There's like no seasoning on it.
13:46Yeah.
13:47I liked the other one better.
13:48I think this is cause it's healthier.
13:50Zero sugar.
13:50Zero sugary.
13:53I'll stick without the egg.
13:55That's what I said.
13:56Well.
13:56It's supposed to be a dirty joke.
14:00It literally says it on the package.
14:03So many jokes with the beef stick
14:05because it's name is a beef stick.
14:09Okay.
14:10I'm going to let you guys enjoy those.
14:11There's another one.
14:11Yeah.
14:12Do you want to go on above it?
14:14Say it out loud.
14:16I don't know.
14:17It's funny.
14:18Grass fed and finished beef.
14:19Hmm.
14:20How is that funny?
14:22I don't know.
14:23If you have a dirty mind.
14:24Nevermind.
14:24Continue.
14:25Okay.
14:26I think I get where you're coming from.
14:30Tales from the trenches.
14:31Yeah.
14:32Do you want to read it back?
14:33So we can eat our beef sticks.
14:34You eat your beef sticks.
14:35I'm not going to look at it.
14:37I'm going to go like this.
14:38Okay.
14:39This is our new section.
14:40Tales from the trenches.
14:41We have our first entry.
14:43So thank you.
14:44Can't wait to see what it says.
14:45I did not read ahead.
14:46Did you guys read ahead?
14:47I didn't read this one.
14:48Okay.
14:49Ooh.
14:49Okay.
14:50Hello VRT.
14:51I heard about your new segment
14:52and mentioned it to my husband.
14:53And he said I had to share his favorite story
14:55from my last job.
14:56I worked in a shelter that did high volume
14:58spay neuter.
14:59One patient we had was a young
15:02chi mix named Princess
15:04who came in wearing a glittery pink collar.
15:06On exam, she looked like a normal healthy female
15:08with a rather large vulva.
15:11When we started her surgery, however,
15:13we couldn't locate her uterus.
15:15After exploring a bit,
15:16the doctor found what appeared to be
15:19internal testes in the inguinal region.
15:22These were sent off for biopsy
15:23and turned out to be ovo testes.
15:25Princess was intersex.
15:27Wow.
15:27Of course its name was Princess.
15:29What's the word I'm looking for?
15:31Monotone.
15:32She set that up right with the pink collar
15:34and everything too.
15:36The comedy started when we needed
15:37to reach out to the owner
15:38to let them know what was happening.
15:40The owner was a Spanish speaker
15:42and none of our Spanish speaking employees
15:44wanted to call and tell them
15:45that their dog was intersex.
15:46We scrambled around the building
15:48and finally found one of our lovely kennel staff
15:50who was willing to call the owner.
15:52Fortunately, the owner thought
15:53this was absolutely hilarious
15:54and told our staff that they had always wondered
15:57why Princess lifted her leg like a boy dog.
16:00Anyways, I just wanted to share,
16:02we did that about 8,000 spay neuters a year
16:05and found about one intersex animal a year
16:07so it always stood out.
16:08Thanks for your fantastic podcast.
16:10Kathy Watson, RVT.
16:13We have had that happen at our clinic.
16:15Just the one, right?
16:16I've never experienced it.
16:17I think we've only had one.
16:18Yeah, it was a bloodhound.
16:19That I can remember, yes it was.
16:20Yeah.
16:21And we sent them out for biopsy and everything.
16:23And it came back as ovo testes?
16:24Yep.
16:25Yeah, so they're out there.
16:26I think Harrison posted something on the All Star page
16:29because we read the histopath of it or something.
16:31I feel like he documented it at some point.
16:34Oh, okay.
16:35Would you say it's that way more so than like
16:37you go in for a neuter and you find a uterus?
16:40Yeah, because you really don't go internal.
16:42I guess that's true.
16:43The only thing I would think, thinking through,
16:45I really don't know the science,
16:47but like how this happens and whatever.
16:51Anyways, like the only thing I could think
16:53is like if it's a male, like externally,
16:55you see the penis, the prepuce,
16:57but they're a cryptorchid or double cryptorchid.
17:00And then when you go in, you're like,
17:01wait, these aren't normal testes.
17:03Yeah, huh.
17:04That would be the only, I mean,
17:05because otherwise you're not going in the abdomen.
17:08So yeah.
17:09I wonder.
17:10I'm sure, I feel like it'd be more common
17:12for it to happen this way than the opposite way.
17:16I would agree.
17:17Especially because of the external genitalia, I think, so.
17:21Yeah, I would think so.
17:23I don't know, great story though.
17:24That's a good story.
17:25Thank you for your submission
17:26because that was a nice little laugh.
17:29I think, I mean, it's good the owners thought
17:31it was hilarious.
17:32I mean, you can't be mad at it, so.
17:34The owner we had was awesome about it.
17:36Yeah.
17:38Nobody's fault.
17:39Yeah, right.
17:40Just genetics.
17:41We're not lying.
17:42Okay, if you have more ridiculous, funny, unhinged stories
17:46that you want us to read off on our podcast,
17:48please send in your stories
17:49to theveterinaryroundtableatgmail.com.
17:51Yes, I've thoroughly enjoyed that.
17:53We try to share our unhinged stories,
17:55but it's funnier when we hear it from other people, so.
17:57Yes, yeah.
17:59Yeah.
18:00Okay, case collections.
18:02Okay, we're gonna start with Freya.
18:04She is a one?
18:06Yes, one year old.
18:07One year old-ish.
18:09One year old-ish Great Dane.
18:12She presented to our hospital
18:14for a routine spay and gastropexy.
18:17So the surgery was performed without a hitch,
18:22to my knowledge.
18:23It was with one of our colleagues.
18:24And the next day, she was in hospital longer
18:29just because she didn't show interest in eating.
18:31Blood work was normal prior to the surgery.
18:33Blood work was normal, okay.
18:36And she was a Great Dane.
18:37She was a smaller Great Dane,
18:38but she was still a large breed,
18:40and hence the gastropexy included.
18:41But anyway, yeah, so the next day,
18:45she didn't really show interest in eating,
18:47but the incision and everything had looked good
18:48that morning from the surgeon.
18:51So she stayed throughout the day
18:53just for observation, thankfully,
18:54because it was towards the afternoon
18:57when myself and Courtney were in treatment area
19:01doing an exam on a dog,
19:02and Courtney kept saying,
19:04Freya, stop licking.
19:05What are you licking?
19:06And we just thought it was, you know,
19:07she was trying to go towards her incision,
19:09even though she had a surgery suit on.
19:12And then she kept doing it,
19:13and so our other assistant went up,
19:15and she's like, oh, there's a little bit of blood.
19:17And then you could eventually,
19:18like with us looking,
19:19you could see the blood from like her mouth too.
19:22So we were like, oh, did she bite her tongue?
19:24Like what happened here?
19:26So Freya was, we got her out to do another look,
19:29and unfortunately, you could tell
19:31there was swelling subcutaneously along her incision,
19:34and it wasn't just like small blood.
19:36It was a pretty steady like faucet drip coming out.
19:41And then she did have blood in her mouth,
19:43but once we looked in there,
19:45it looked like she truly just had a lesion on her tongue.
19:47She had bitten her tongue.
19:48So this day was quite crazy in general at the hospital
19:53with emergency surgeries and low staff.
19:57That the surgeon for Freya had to leave early that day
20:00due to personal reasons.
20:01So it was just kind of like a-
20:03All hands on deck.
20:04It was a cluster for the day anyways.
20:06And so this was gonna be the third emergency surgery.
20:10So we had basically all the doctors
20:13who were there come together.
20:15We pulled the ultrasound,
20:16and she had free fluid in her abdomen.
20:19So when you have that, obviously you have to go in
20:20and you have to figure out what's bleeding and ligate it.
20:23So between the four of us that were there,
20:26Dr. Ham was the doctor who went in then,
20:29and she was able to find the bleeder.
20:31She said that there, obviously it's a large dog.
20:33So thankfully she could afford to lose blood,
20:38not that you want them to,
20:40because she was still pink on observation
20:41and she was alert, bright, everything.
20:44Her PCVTP was normal prior to the second surgery.
20:49Dr. Ham said that all of the incisions
20:52and the sutures from the gastropexy
20:54and the spay were intact.
20:56Everything looked great.
20:57But what was weird, she said,
20:59was that there was this vessel or bleeder
21:02that was near the uterine pedicle that was like deeper down.
21:06So it was just one of those unfortunate complicated things
21:12that happened or complication things that happened
21:14to nobody's fault.
21:15Like this is a good case where it's like,
21:17this surgery was done.
21:18The VPA would not be.
21:20Yeah, like this surgery was done completely fine.
21:23Yes.
21:24And it was the monitoring and the observation of the staff
21:28and like the doctor who did everything was like,
21:31oh, she's not eating, let's just keep her.
21:33Like all of those things that just showed like you just,
21:36even though it's routine surgeries,
21:39you still have to take it as each individual case.
21:42And if it's not responding as expected,
21:44you don't just overlook it and say it's probably nothing.
21:47And then having staff in the back,
21:49like monitoring constantly,
21:51not just saying they're being monitored.
21:53And thankfully the dog did great.
21:55It was a Friday, of course,
21:56but we were able to perform the surgery
21:58and she went to 24 hour care for observation,
22:01went home the next day.
22:04She's doing great.
22:04She's doing great.
22:05She came back again and she was doing really, really well.
22:08She was just not pooping as much or something,
22:10but she looked fine.
22:11And so, yeah, it was just an unfortunate like.
22:16Complication.
22:17Yeah.
22:17Like, I mean, that's the only way you can explain it.
22:19Yeah.
22:20It's like, you know, there's gonna be like,
22:21we just don't ever, I mean, like you said,
22:24spays are routine,
22:25but it's still a full abdominal procedure.
22:26Like, I feel like sometimes we can tend to forget
22:30that we're still going into the abdominal cavities.
22:32I mean, you do a spay so often that you're like,
22:34okay, it's a spay, whatever.
22:35Right.
22:36Like, it's not like a foreign body.
22:37It's not a systotomy.
22:38Like it's just whatever.
22:39It's just an easy surgery, but I mean, it's still a spay.
22:41Like it's a full abdominal procedure.
22:44So I think it was also a good reminder
22:47that it's more intense than I think we like
22:50have in our brains all the time.
22:51Well, not that we're like,
22:52we were careless about it by any means,
22:54but you just get in that mindset.
22:56Bigger vessels and like.
22:58It's a nice eye opener.
22:59Yeah.
23:00So I think just if you're going into a spay,
23:03just whoever's prepping the owner,
23:05just say, hey, these are the complications of a spay.
23:08Yep.
23:09Period.
23:10It just can happen.
23:10Obviously we do our best to make sure it doesn't.
23:12And usually it doesn't.
23:14Yeah.
23:15Yeah.
23:15Luckily she recovered very, very well.
23:17Yeah.
23:17Yes.
23:18She came in, I think on Monday
23:19and was like wagging her tail and everything.
23:20Yeah.
23:21The observation saved her life.
23:23Yes.
23:24Yeah.
23:25Good thing she didn't go home.
23:26Yeah.
23:27So did she stay the night after her surgery
23:29or she came back in the next day?
23:30Okay.
23:31No, she stayed the night.
23:32Just cause she was large.
23:33Oh, from her initial surgery?
23:34Yeah.
23:35Yeah.
23:36She's a large dog and.
23:36Sure.
23:38Yeah.
23:38Yeah.
23:39And then we took her to an ER.
23:40Me and a coworker drove her to an emergency clinic
23:44for the owners.
23:45Yeah.
23:46Cause she was still pretty gorked from surgery.
23:47She was just out of it.
23:49So my coworker and I offered to the owners
23:52for us to drive her.
23:54So they wouldn't have to.
23:55I mean, I don't think anybody really wants
23:57to see their dog that.
23:58Well she was big too.
23:59And she was a big.
24:00Like her.
24:01Yeah.
24:02We had to put, we literally put her on a stretcher.
24:03Yeah.
24:03And lifted her and she barely fit in my car diagonally.
24:05Yeah.
24:06And the owner was there and we met her there.
24:07And I think they were grateful.
24:08It was just a lot for them to handle emotionally.
24:11So.
24:12Oh God.
24:12But I know, I mean, they were grateful at the end of the day.
24:13So.
24:14Yeah.
24:15But yeah, she was all taken care of
24:16and I had a little taxi for her.
24:18She's so cute.
24:19She's so sweet.
24:20Yeah.
24:21She's cute and she's so sweet.
24:21Isn't she like kind of grayish?
24:22Yeah.
24:23Yeah.
24:24She's a little too.
24:25I was like, is she a Weimaraner or is she a Great Dane?
24:26She looks like a very overgrown Weimaraner.
24:28Yeah.
24:30Okay.
24:31Well, that's our case.
24:32So.
24:33Yeah.
24:34It's just good lessons all around.
24:35Yes.
24:36For sure.
24:36Take it away.
24:37Okay.
24:39Excuse me.
24:40Yeah, go for it.
24:40I was pausing.
24:42Excuse me.
24:42Have your moment.
24:45Okay.
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25:13Harrison?
25:14It looks like it.
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25:15There's a lot of them.
25:16Oh, I guess there's a lot of listener questions.
25:17Is that where all these come from?
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25:20Some people know about it.
25:21We have plenty.
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25:23All righty.
25:25First one.
25:26Hello, I am a prospective veterinary technician
25:28in the New England area.
25:30One thing to know about this region
25:31is every state besides Maine
25:33is a no license required state to practice
25:35and the vast majority of job posting
25:38say experience required, license preferred.
25:41I shadowed at a small animal general practice on Tuesday
25:44where none of the staff besides the DVMs had licenses.
25:47I want to be a critical care slash emergency tech
25:50at a mixed practice,
25:52somewhere where you can be at a puppy well visit
25:54and be called away to scrub into a reconstructive surgery
25:56for a pet turtle who got bit by a dog.
25:59Would you recommend schooling for something like this?
26:01Is Penn Foster plus one to two years
26:05and small animals GP a good combo
26:08for someone who wants to work as a surgical tech
26:11at a 24 seven mixed GP and emergency clinic?
26:15We do have somewhere in the area like that
26:17and they also include specialists in the same building
26:20but most of their job postings are for degree holders
26:23or people with five to 10 years experience in GP.
26:26I was originally planning on going into wildlife biology
26:29but I did not think I could tolerate
26:31potentially being unemployed for entire seasons
26:33as wildlife biology has a lot of temporary roles.
26:37But I do have training coming up to learn
26:39to be a wildlife rehabilitator in a month
26:43so I hope I learned some skills at that training
26:46that can translate over to mixed veterinary medicine.
26:48I love the show even though I just found it.
26:50I plan to watch all the episodes in order
26:52after I watch all the ones with interesting titles.
26:56Do we know what was wrong with neighbor Ben's puppy
26:58who landed badly and likely Lexi the patella?
27:01From Cassandra a future vet tech
27:04from New England.
27:04We do know but we'll come back to that.
27:07Damn, New England, that's pretty cool.
27:08Okay, wow.
27:10Thank you for listening, finding us, going back through.
27:14Welcome to the vert.
27:16Don't judge the editing or the scenery in the early days.
27:21Yeah, we were just trying to figure it out.
27:23We were doing our best with what we had.
27:25We were just talking but we have evolved.
27:27We have.
27:29Yeah, the first question.
27:31First question.
27:33Would you recommend schooling for something
27:35basically to be involved in everything,
27:38mixed practice, ER?
27:40I don't think schooling ever hurts.
27:41I mean, it'd be good to get like a good basis
27:44because we learn about many species.
27:47We learn about all the species.
27:48Yeah.
27:50I think you would be more comfortable as well in your job
27:54when you have that baseline knowledge
27:56just because if you are interested
27:57in truly doing everything,
27:59then it's really gonna come in handy
28:02to have like that book knowledge
28:05or clinical whatever through school knowledge
28:08because it's really hard through just experience alone
28:11to be able to focus all your time on each individual thing
28:15that you wanna know.
28:15Like we have exotics at our practice
28:17but we have one designated tech for it.
28:20It would be really difficult for Devin or Courtney
28:22to be like, all right, I'm gonna do a dog and cat,
28:25you know, treatment over here,
28:27but oh, they need me for a bunny
28:28which is completely different.
28:30And just learning that, it would be a lot, lot slower pace.
28:33Yeah, I was gonna say, and you also couldn't learn things
28:35until you see them physically
28:36and not everything comes along until it does
28:39and then it might only happen once.
28:41Yeah, multiple.
28:42Yeah.
28:43So I think, I mean, I always think schooling is a great idea
28:46if you have the time.
28:47Finances are difficult too, so.
28:50Yep.
28:51But I think it's a great idea.
28:52An emergency you think on your feet.
28:53So it's just, it's again, gonna be better to have that
28:57kind of input of knowledge you can pull from
29:00if it's like really chaotic.
29:01I think emergency would be a little bit,
29:04very difficult actually to learn on the job
29:05because it's so fast paced and you have to,
29:07I mean, you can't sit and be like,
29:08hold on, let me look this up
29:09or do you know how to do this?
29:10Like you just gotta jump in and do it.
29:12You don't really have time to think sometimes.
29:15Next question is, is Penn Foster plus one to two years
29:19and small animal GP a good combo
29:21for someone who wants to work as a surgical tech
29:23at the 24-7 mixed GP and emergency clinic?
29:28I think if those one to two years
29:30are spent like strictly in surgery, maybe.
29:33Like it might be a good starting point.
29:35But I am almost done with Penn Foster
29:38and I've been working at All-Star for almost three years
29:40and I would not be.
29:42Comfortable with that?
29:43Yeah.
29:44Yeah, no, it's a good comparison.
29:46But also only like a year of that has been teching, so.
29:49Right.
29:50I mean, but it still comes back to,
29:52it would be better to get the experience
29:54than what you're going to try to do with your career.
29:58Right.
29:59So can you do Penn Foster plus a couple years
30:01in mixed animal and not do the emergency part yet
30:05or something?
30:06Yeah.
30:07Or one to two years in emergency with Penn Foster
30:09just because that's more of what you're looking
30:10and seeking for.
30:12I would worry that if you just did small animal GP,
30:17you're gonna get really good at things that you may,
30:19I mean, you'll use, but it's just gonna be very,
30:20it's very different.
30:21It's completely different.
30:22Yeah.
30:23I think it'd be nice to work like one or two emergency
30:25shifts a week.
30:26Yeah.
30:27Like shorter shifts.
30:28Just to dip your toe in.
30:29Just to ease into it.
30:30Yeah.
30:30And then at some point, you know, go full immersion,
30:32but.
30:34Yeah.
30:35That might be a lot all at once.
30:36I mean, it also probably depends on what is offered.
30:39I mean, if you can't do any of these combos.
30:42It says that they somewhere in the area like that.
30:46Does that mean like a,
30:48like it's a GP and emergency in the same building?
30:52I think she wants to be a critical care emergency tech
30:55at a mixed practice.
30:56Okay.
30:57She said she wants to be able to do a puppy,
30:59but then also have to go into an emergency,
31:01but like have that regular, because like us,
31:04we're a GP.
31:05We see emergencies, but they're not guaranteed.
31:07Right.
31:08Do we know of any GPs that are emergencies also?
31:12I mean, technically we are.
31:14Yeah.
31:15But like, it's just not, yeah, not guaranteed.
31:17Well, that's why it's just such different medicine.
31:18A lot of emergencies are more of like stabilized triage,
31:22get them stable or whatever,
31:24and then send them on to their GP or whoever.
31:27So, and then in GP,
31:29you just learn a lot of different ways to communicate
31:32and the relationships,
31:33which is very different from emergency.
31:35So.
31:37It would be interesting to see a clinic that was a GP
31:41and then was 24 seven.
31:43We did that for a little bit.
31:45For during COVID.
31:45We had emergency hours during COVID.
31:47Yeah, it was a weird time.
31:48Yeah.
31:50King and I worked in an emergency shift together.
31:53I think, was it Holden?
31:56It was you?
31:57He brought us food really late at night,
31:59but King and I literally sat in the doctor's office
32:01and watched Netflix for like five hours
32:03and we're like, we're going home.
32:04Yeah.
32:04Cause nobody called.
32:05Yeah.
32:06I think I had a couple, but it was either,
32:07it was a nail trim and ears or something.
32:09Yeah.
32:10I kind of wish I worked there during COVID.
32:12I liked some aspects of it,
32:14but then I disliked other aspects of it.
32:16During the week was crazy.
32:18I wish we would have kept the puppy tally.
32:22Yes.
32:23The amount of puppies we saw.
32:24We had a tally going in reception.
32:25That was wild.
32:26It was insane.
32:27That was wild.
32:28That was just, all of it was just crazy.
32:31We moved the treatment up to where the conference table is.
32:35Everybody, that's when everyone in the clinic
32:38learned how to restrain.
32:38That's where Rebecca Miller learned how to restrain.
32:40She would literally be on the phone and hold a dog for me.
32:42It was just so weird.
32:43We did it though.
32:44We worked a week on, a week off.
32:45Yeah.
32:46Good times.
32:48But they have specialists in the same building.
32:50Like that's a lot in one building.
32:53That's a big building.
32:54Yeah.
32:55I do know there's a clinic on the South side of Indy
32:58that is, it's called Stop 11, I think,
33:01but it is attached to, it has some specialists.
33:07Yeah.
33:08Cause I am extern there in school.
33:09So I don't know.
33:11I've been there a while.
33:12I might've changed.
33:12Might not even be there.
33:13Might be incorrect information.
33:14So sorry.
33:15Can I answer all of her questions?
33:17Ben's puppy.
33:19Yes.
33:20Yeah.
33:20So he came, he ended up coming in the next day for x-rays
33:23and that poor pup had a fracture.
33:28It was, oh my gosh.
33:31What is the word?
33:32A fracture.
33:32It wasn't rotated.
33:33It was just a hairline or I don't, whatever.
33:36It wasn't, it wasn't turned.
33:39It wasn't, anyway, it was a straight line fracture
33:42through the tibia.
33:43It was the tibia.
33:45It didn't go cortex to cortex.
33:48So there was no like surgery needed.
33:49There was no displacement, things like that.
33:52So we had to bandage him
33:54and we did two weeks of bandaging with strict rest.
33:58I mean, ultimately it takes eight weeks to, for it to heal.
34:02We never ended up repeating x-rays
34:04and I mean, I'm her neighbor, I know.
34:07And we're friends.
34:08So I know that keeping him quiet was very, very difficult,
34:11but I see him now and he's walking on all four legs.
34:13So.
34:14Okay, great.
34:15That's great.
34:16He seems to be doing just fine.
34:18Yeah.
34:19Puppies heal quickly too, so.
34:20Mm-hmm.
34:21Okay, next one.
34:24Okay.
34:25Would you like to read it?
34:26My uncle and cousin are starting a show cattle business
34:29and they are doing AI to impregnate some of their heifers.
34:33I know you guys don't do large animals,
34:34but I'm curious to know what you all think about AI
34:37and would you recommend it to clients?
34:39From Molly Francis.
34:41Yes.
34:42I think that's like the easiest,
34:42safest way to do it.
34:43Yep.
34:44And unless you're in Kentucky.
34:46It's not that difficult.
34:47No.
34:48You just give the mare a small amount of sedation
34:50and then inseminate and boom.
34:52Yep.
34:53We had to practice it, not actual insemination,
34:55but we practiced it in vet school.
34:57But yeah, that's pretty much the standard
34:59because you can also control,
35:01obviously you're looking at the mare's cycle
35:03and for follicles and very,
35:06you have more control over that situation too.
35:08Whereas if you don't have a stallion on property
35:10and safety wise, I mean.
35:12You don't have to deal with the aggression.
35:14Mm-hmm.
35:15Yeah.
35:16But in Kentucky, especially in the racing world
35:20and all that stuff, it has to be live cover.
35:22So I did an externship down in Kentucky
35:25through vet school and went to these huge, beautiful farms
35:30and they literally would have scheduled,
35:34they would have to schedule the mare.
35:35They would have the stallion.
35:37You test the, you look at the sperm of the stallion.
35:41That's what one of the vets did
35:42and then they would live cover it.
35:44And I mean, it's literally like,
35:46if you think of a rodeo and those basically rodeo clowns
35:49that remove people quickly and stuff,
35:52same thing with these horses, they're geared up.
35:54And as soon as the live cover is done,
35:57you separate them and keep going.
36:00Yeah.
36:00But like you have to obviously,
36:02in that situation you pay for the stallion fee
36:06and it's a whole different world down there.
36:09It's wild.
36:10I can't imagine.
36:11It's wild.
36:12It's crazy to see.
36:13It's so cool.
36:15That would be fun to witness.
36:16Yeah.
36:16Yeah.
36:17A lot at stake in those situations.
36:19I got to meet American Pharoah.
36:20Oh.
36:21So that was really cool.
36:22I got a picture with him.
36:23That is cool.
36:24Yeah.
36:24Popular.
36:25Celebrity horse.
36:26If you don't know who he is, anybody,
36:28then you should Google American Pharoah.
36:30He was beautiful.
36:31I bet.
36:32Do you want to read the next one?
36:33Sure.
36:33Okay, next one.
36:35Hey, I recently got into Auburn vet school,
36:36my in-state, whoop whoop,
36:38but wanted to say how grateful I am for this podcast
36:40and I actually got to speak about this podcast
36:42during my interview.
36:43Wow.
36:44I just thought you would find this cool
36:45and I think it helped me get in.
36:47I recommended my interviewers to listen to the VPA episode
36:50since they were a little unfamiliar with the topic.
36:54Super great experience and I know y'all are doing great work.
36:58That's so cool.
37:00Congratulations, first of all,
37:02on getting into vet school because that is not for the week.
37:05That's incredible.
37:06And to Auburn, that's where you came to school, I think.
37:09Yeah.
37:10Did you meet Kinga-ling-a-ding?
37:11Yes.
37:13I highly doubt that saying she listens to this podcast
37:15helped her get in, but we'll take the credit.
37:17Maybe.
37:18She sounds-
37:19She sounds like a dedicated student.
37:20She cares about learning and her education.
37:24I would love to know how the context got brought up,
37:26like what question and,
37:28I mean, they throw some weird questions.
37:29They're like, maybe it's like an extracurricular or-
37:31Yeah.
37:33But she encouraged them to watch VPA.
37:35That's really cool, too.
37:36Get the word out.
37:37That's what we're here for, is to spread the news.
37:40Having some good convos,
37:41which by the way, we have some guests lined up coming up.
37:43We do.
37:44We're working on it.
37:45Keep an eye out for that.
37:46We sure do.
37:47We'll add some spice in there soon.
37:49Okay.
37:50It's still a struggle.
37:51A little VRT spice.
37:53Well, all right.
37:55Guess that's it.
37:57All right, take us out.
37:57Okay.
37:58Thank you so much for tuning into another episode
38:00of the Veterinary Roundtable.
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38:07of the Veterinary Roundtable.
38:08Bye-bye.
38:09Bye-bye.
38:10Bye-bye.