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Pits And Peaks 02:40
Case Collections 12:34
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Pits And Peaks 02:40
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How to Handle Pet Owners Who Think They Know More Than You 23:46
Our Thoughts On Island Vet Schools 27:10
A Dog With An Infected Cyst 29:58
Outro 33:04
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00:00If they're not going to trust you and your judgment and your knowledge, then it's really
00:05hard to help them.
00:06I was monitoring and Dr. Ham did the dental and she's like, Devin, look, and I turn, I'm
00:10not great with teeth.
00:11Like I have sensitive teeth, so dentals are kind of hard for me, but I turn around and
00:14she just like wiggles the canine and pulls it.
00:17I was like, when they have that and they have cardiac disease, they're fine until they're
00:22not.
00:23And then all of a sudden they are not fine.
00:24And it could be anything that sets them into congestive heart failure.
00:27They could be at the house and they run down the hallway.
00:34Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the Veterinary Roundtable, the podcast
00:38where we answer your veterinary-related questions while having some fun along the way.
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00:53Reviews, baby, reviews.
00:54Wow.
00:55I haven't moved.
00:56Moved so much from last week.
00:57It's been three weeks on reviews.
00:58That's okay.
00:59People are busy.
01:00It's spring.
01:01Kind of.
01:02For the week.
01:03I'm pretending like it is.
01:04We're going to just push us forward into manifesting.
01:07It's basically April.
01:08That's what we're going to keep saying.
01:09Basically.
01:10That means it's basically my birthday.
01:11So everybody's outside.
01:12Everybody's having fun.
01:13Yeah.
01:14It's beautiful today.
01:15So, you know, we get it.
01:16Absolutely.
01:17Everybody's busy.
01:18Spring cleaning.
01:19Yeah.
01:20Yeah.
01:21Anyway.
01:22Move forward.
01:23One hundred twenty.
01:24Previously at 318 on Spotify.
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01:30Thank you for all the reviews.
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01:32That's a lot of people.
01:33That's a lot of people.
01:34That's a lot of feedback.
01:36We really appreciate it.
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02:01You should see us.
02:02Most days.
02:03Some days, right?
02:04You should see us.
02:05OK.
02:06Anyway.
02:07I'm Devyn Fortune.
02:08I'm Courtney Allen.
02:09I'm Emily King.
02:10And this is the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:11We're missing Dr. Duckwald today because we just are.
02:12Guys, you know what we should do?
02:13She quite actually.
02:14We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:15We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:16We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:17We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:18We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:19We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:20And then he edits it.
02:21And it's so sick.
02:22OK.
02:23Ready?
02:24Ready?
02:25And this is.
02:26Wait.
02:27And this is.
02:28The.
02:29Veterinary.
02:30Roundtable.
02:31OK.
02:32But yeah.
02:33Duckwald's gone.
02:34She quit.
02:35Just kidding.
02:36Just this episode.
02:37Yeah.
02:38She didn't quit.
02:39It's OK.
02:40JK.
02:41We miss her dearly.
02:42OK.
02:43So.
02:44Pits and Peaks.
02:45What are you guys feeling this week?
02:46Yeah.
02:47I'll go first.
02:48So my pit was that I got to have dinner with my whole family this past weekend.
02:51So my Harmony, which is my grandma, she took us all out to our favorite Korean restaurant
02:56and it was just a really good time.
02:57It was fun.
02:59And then my pit is my car is having problems.
03:04So this is going to sound very like privileged and prissy I feel like because every time
03:09I say it I feel like it.
03:10But I've always had leased cars.
03:12So I've always had brand new cars.
03:15And then I decided to not lease this last time and I bought a car in cash so I own it.
03:21So it's just like weird going from that like a brand new car to having a used car that
03:25has issues.
03:26And sure.
03:27So my transmission is a little messed up right now.
03:30So I have an appointment.
03:31My father-in-law's a mechanic so he's been looking at it.
03:34But I have an appointment to take it in to have the computer updated.
03:37So hopefully that'll fix the problem.
03:39And my car really hates the cold.
03:41My car does not do well in the cold.
03:44So hopefully that fixes it and I don't have to replace the transmission.
03:47Can you rent garages at your apartment complex?
03:50No, we only have carports.
03:55So we do not have any garages.
03:56Which if we did it would be worth the money because yeah my car does not do well in the
04:00cold.
04:01And it's a what it's doing is a known problem with Hondas but I just love my car so much.
04:06So I don't want it to be a transmission because usually most the time replacement transmission
04:10really isn't worth it in a lot of cars.
04:13You said 2013?
04:14Yeah.
04:15I have a 2013 Honda Pilot and he is a beaut.
04:18I love him.
04:19Louie?
04:20Louie.
04:21I love him.
04:22But that's it.
04:23Pray for my car.
04:24You said your peak input?
04:25Yes you did.
04:26Okay.
04:27My peak is that Walter moved into the apartment so smoothly guys.
04:31I was so proud of him.
04:32The second we left our house and I brought him to the apartment he did not make a single
04:36peep.
04:37Like he didn't meow.
04:38He didn't do anything.
04:40Which was impressive because normally he screams for like the first five minutes of a car ride
04:43and then he settles in super quiet and he is super happy in the apartment.
04:48That's amazing.
04:49Yeah that is really exciting.
04:50Literally 30 minutes into moving he used the litter box and then he ate dinner that night.
04:55He drank water.
04:57He's being very clingy which I think is kind of my pit but he is an alone cat for the first
05:02time in his life.
05:03So he did have to say goodbye to his brother Sid at home but he's doing really well.
05:09I think I'm going to bring him on a play date with Sid maybe like this upcoming weekend
05:14and then I do really want to get a kitten.
05:17Everyone's telling me to wait and that it's too soon but I really want a kitten and I
05:21don't want to leave Walter alone for that long of a time.
05:24I think he's adjusted better than I expected so I think he could handle it but I don't
05:28know.
05:29Yeah I mean I think there's pros and cons of getting a kitten right now.
05:34Yeah.
05:35So I don't know.
05:37Still very cool though.
05:38It's exciting though because that's always a risk.
05:39I mean any animal though but especially cats and like Walter also has a sensitive bladder.
05:44He does.
05:45So he's on a urinary diet.
05:46So like that was what was like I'm like oh I hope his bladder is okay and he doesn't
05:50get cystitis.
05:51He's being great.
05:53That's awesome.
05:54That's so exciting.
05:55And he has hated men his whole life because my dad was a scary man and he traumatized
06:00Walter but he like my mom has had a boyfriend for like eight years and he's over very frequently
06:06and Walter just like a year ago let him touch him for the first time.
06:11So I had Trent over this weekend my boyfriend I haven't talked about him on the podcast
06:15yet but I had him over and like they hadn't really spent much time together because I
06:20normally go to his house and 30 minutes and Walter was on Trent's chest giving him kitty
06:24biscuits.
06:25Oh wow.
06:26Yeah.
06:27Wow.
06:28It's a big step.
06:29That's a big step for Walter.
06:30That's a big deal.
06:31Yes.
06:32I was so proud of him.
06:33I was sending her.
06:34Did I send you a video?
06:35Yeah.
06:37I sent you a video.
06:38He's obsessed.
06:39That's awesome.
06:40That's cute.
06:41Yes.
06:42That's exciting for you.
06:43I know.
06:44That's the important man you're alive getting along.
06:45I know.
06:46I know.
06:47You don't have to choose.
06:48Trent fell asleep on the couch and Walter jumped up there and slept on him.
06:49Oh that's cute.
06:50I know.
06:51He's like a different cat.
06:52That's good.
06:53I know.
06:54Maybe he wants to be an only cat.
06:55Maybe this is a sign you shouldn't get another cat.
06:56But he has so much energy he needs a little kitten to play with.
06:59You can get him toys.
07:01I can get him a dog.
07:02Can you borrow a kitten and see how he does?
07:03I mean I could foster.
07:04Yeah.
07:05Foster fail.
07:06Yeah.
07:07Just kidding.
07:08That's okay.
07:09I mean if they got along then you would know.
07:10Yeah.
07:11Yeah.
07:12Yeah.
07:13Maybe I'll do that.
07:14I might go to Humane Society this weekend.
07:15Yeah.
07:16Stay tuned.
07:17It's hard guys.
07:18Now I don't have a mom that is withholding me from getting a pet.
07:22It's the freedom.
07:23It's exciting.
07:24Yeah.
07:25Yeah.
07:26Yeah.
07:27I get that.
07:28I totally get that.
07:29Absolutely.
07:30Stay tuned.
07:31Okay.
07:32My peak, because you brought up litter boxes, is my litter robot.
07:33Oh yeah.
07:34I saw that.
07:35How's that going?
07:36It's amazing.
07:37Is it?
07:38Did that get sent to you?
07:39No.
07:40I bought it.
07:41Wow.
07:42Wow.
07:43Because I was tired of, because Calvin had a litter box in his room because Valentine
07:44loves his room.
07:45And so I was like, you know what, I'm just tired of having a regular litter box.
07:49I'm just going to do it.
07:50And so I bought that and it is fabulous.
07:54So what do you do?
07:55There is no odor.
07:56It is, guys, it's like, it is amazing.
07:59The cat has a clean litter box every single time.
08:02The stuff gets put into a tray.
08:03I'm a busy lady, so I'm sure that's very helpful to you.
08:05And it's like in a tray and it's, it's like compartmentalized so you can't, there is no
08:09odor.
08:10So you just like take out the tray and you dump it?
08:11Yeah.
08:12Well, it has a bag.
08:13You just tie the bag up.
08:14How often do you have to, are you, have you cleaned it?
08:17Um, it'll tell you if the tray's full.
08:19On your phone.
08:20Wait, is it?
08:21There is a litter box app on your phone.
08:23Yeah.
08:24Do you want me to show you?
08:25Is there one of those?
08:26Yes.
08:27It does like tell you how much he weighs and like what time he poops and pees and.
08:28Yeah.
08:29That's how it can tell the difference I think between.
08:30Nuh uh.
08:31Yeah.
08:32That's how I can tell the difference between.
08:33It's a litter box.
08:34Um.
08:35Is there a camera?
08:36The.
08:37No, I don't think so.
08:38Oh shoot.
08:39That's an invasion of privacy.
08:40I gotta find the app.
08:41Do you want a camera in your toilet?
08:42Um.
08:43Yeah.
08:44It was hilarious because, um, I walked by one time and Valentine was sitting in front
08:50of the litter box just staring at it because it was cycling and she was just watching it
08:54cycle.
08:55Like as if she came out of there and then turned around and then was like.
08:57Yeah.
08:58Probably not my shit.
08:59How did she do?
09:00How did she do with it?
09:01She did fine.
09:03Um.
09:04Yeah.
09:05So I told her to start using it.
09:06Okay.
09:07But then once she started using it, she's like, oh yeah, okay, this is fine.
09:08That's not bad.
09:09That's not my clean toilet.
09:10So yeah, she has a.
09:11Every cat loves a clean toilet.
09:12Huh.
09:13Right?
09:14I mean.
09:15Because they go the second you clean their litter box usually.
09:16Um.
09:17So.
09:18And I've looked at some of the other, um, like what people have said about them and
09:20I could see where like, okay, maybe it's too loud or.
09:23Yeah.
09:24But I don't really think it's loud.
09:25Do you think it's loud?
09:26No.
09:27But I could see where someone might think that if you had a really sensitive cat.
09:29I was going to say if it.
09:30Yeah.
09:31To noises.
09:32Yeah.
09:33I mean.
09:34People are just.
09:35That is amazing.
09:36Every single time they go.
09:37That's insane that there's a litter box like that.
09:38Yeah.
09:39Technology is crazy.
09:40I'm trying to find the app.
09:41It's like.
09:42It's crazy.
09:43What is it called?
09:44Oh, it's called Whisker.
09:45That's right.
09:46Whisker?
09:47Um.
09:48But like see.
09:49Oh my gosh.
09:50Because it whiskers the poop out?
09:51And then I.
09:52I don't know.
09:53But like it says like it'll measure the amount of litter.
09:54Like so.
09:55Like it'll.
09:56Like that's the tray.
09:57So I.
09:58And then I loved it so much I bought one for the basement.
09:59So there's.
10:00Huh.
10:02And then it tells you like.
10:03Like with waste.
10:04Does Lenny use it?
10:05Her litter.
10:06Lenny uses it.
10:07It's a picture of Valentine.
10:08And her weight.
10:09Like it weighs them every time.
10:10So it's really cool.
10:11Do you think the weight is accurate?
10:12Um.
10:13I think that it's accurate for.
10:14Like her on.
10:15In that machine.
10:16I don't know if it's like her true weight.
10:17Sure.
10:18Does that make sense?
10:19Yeah.
10:20Like when she goes in there and it's weighing her.
10:21Like that's probably accurate.
10:22Like before a dump and after a dump.
10:23Right.
10:24Yeah.
10:25Yeah.
10:26Yeah.
10:27Yeah.
10:28Yeah.
10:29Yeah.
10:30Yeah.
10:31Yeah.
10:32Yeah.
10:33Yeah.
10:34Yeah.
10:35Right.
10:36It's probably accurate for her, but it's not like accurate.
10:37I wouldn't necessarily consider it exactly.
10:38Like a scale.
10:39Yeah.
10:40I haven't tried like weighing or I should do that and then I can report back.
10:41But like see it tells you everything.
10:43Like because owners will be like.
10:44Cats.
10:45My litter robot.
10:46Yeah.
10:47I could see an owner being like my litter robot says my cats lost weight.
10:50Yeah.
10:51You know what I mean?
10:52Well and I would say that.
10:53Then you would be like.
10:54Oh, OK.
10:55Do I need to do something?
10:56You know or whatever.
10:57I think it's reliable enough of that.
10:58Oh yeah.
10:59I think that it could.
11:00I think that it could see a discrepancy in weight.
11:03Yeah.
11:04Between the two.
11:04If your cat has big poops though.
11:06Yeah.
11:08Walter.
11:08So anyway, I'm a big fan.
11:09Walter would be dropping LBs.
11:11That's so cool.
11:12Yeah, but you literally forget about the litter box.
11:15Yeah.
11:15So like, you literally forget about it.
11:18Huh, that's awesome.
11:19Which is really cool.
11:20That's really cool.
11:22It's expensive, right?
11:23Yeah.
11:24Huh, my mom would love that as a gift.
11:27Maybe you and your sister go in.
11:29Yeah, for real.
11:31And make it like a gift.
11:31And your brother.
11:32That is all of her gifts for all of 2020.
11:34Right.
11:35She would love that.
11:36This is Mother's Day, this is Christmas.
11:38Her birthday and Mother's Day
11:39are like always the same weekend.
11:41There you go.
11:42Okay.
11:43Do you have a pit?
11:45Oh God, a pit.
11:48Just doing a lot of traveling.
11:50Yeah.
11:51But you know what?
11:52It's fun traveling.
11:52Yeah.
11:53So it's a pit and a peak.
11:55Okay, Courtney, do your thing.
11:57Thing-a-ling.
11:58All righty, exciting news.
12:01We have a new segment
12:02that is going to be a part of our podcast.
12:04It's called Tales from the Trenches.
12:06It is where we want listeners
12:07to send in your most ridiculous, funny, unhinged stories
12:10that we can read on the podcast.
12:12You can send those stories via email
12:14to theveterinaryroundtableatgmail.com.
12:17So we are very excited for that.
12:19We would like just send it all unfiltered.
12:21Just give it.
12:22We just wanna read it.
12:23Sit down with our popcorn and just read those.
12:25Yes.
12:26That would be so fun.
12:26Because we have Tales from the Trenches
12:28but we wanna hear yours.
12:29Yeah.
12:30I would love to hear everybody else's.
12:32So fun.
12:33Stories are fun.
12:34Okay, case collections.
12:35Okay, what have you guys got this week?
12:36So this is just us two?
12:38I think so.
12:38Okay, I'll go first.
12:39They're pretty quick.
12:40My case is a 14 and a half year old Shiba Inu mix.
12:45She's kind of a newer patient to us.
12:47Courtney's done some happy visits with her
12:48because she has a bit of anxiety.
12:51But she was scheduled as an appointment
12:53for like 5 p.m. one day a couple weeks ago
12:55for a swollen face.
12:57Like one side of her face was swollen.
12:59And I gave her a call and I was like,
13:02hey, like since we have to sedate your dog for her exam,
13:07why don't we schedule, sorry,
13:09reschedule for the next day in the morning
13:12when we can sedate her.
13:13And if she does need like one tooth extracted,
13:17we could get that done that day.
13:18So she came in at 8 a.m.
13:21We sedated her, looked at her mouth,
13:24and we proceeded into a dental procedure
13:27to take that one tooth.
13:28And then after dental x-rays and the whole dental exam,
13:32we ended up extracting, anyone wanna guess how many teeth?
13:35How old is she?
13:3614.
13:37Oh, she's old.
13:38With the pretense in our brains
13:40that we had done a dental on her within a year.
13:43We thought that we'd done a dental on her.
13:44Me and him were up and down.
13:46We did a dental on this dog like last year in the same time.
13:49Come to find out they had just like sedated her
13:51for something and they thought they did a dental
13:53at the same time.
13:54Maybe they talked about it, which makes you think
13:55you did it, and then when you're remembering,
13:57you're like, oh, I did it.
13:58So when we're looking at this mouth,
14:00we're like, there's no way there was a dental done last year.
14:02Guess how many teeth we took?
14:04We went in for one, like everybody-
14:0614?
14:0721.
14:08Woo!
14:09And one of them just fell out.
14:09Her mouth, I can like smell it.
14:12Yeah.
14:13She's gonna feel so much better.
14:13And this was a Friday.
14:14Yeah, so now she's like, of course,
14:16eating and feeling better.
14:17Oh my gosh, yeah, I bet she's just a new dog.
14:19Yeah, it was very convenient
14:21that we just kinda got it all done.
14:23Just one fell swoop.
14:24God, isn't that great though?
14:25You can fix them and then they're gonna,
14:26she's gonna feel like a new dog.
14:27Yeah, and she's fine, like health-wise,
14:29she is great, other than her teeth.
14:32I mean, she's older, but like her arthritis
14:33isn't even that bad.
14:35Her mouth was bad.
14:37I was monitoring and Dr. Ham did the dental
14:39and she's like, Devon, look, and I turn her,
14:41I'm not great with teeth.
14:42Like, I have sensitive teeth,
14:43so dentals are kinda hard for me.
14:45But I turn her around and she just like
14:46wiggles the canine and pulls it.
14:48I was like, ooh, ooh, ooh, her mouth was bad.
14:51It was really bad.
14:53Oh, the poor dog.
14:54But no, she feels probably like a whole new girl.
14:55That's like so much chronic pain.
14:56Yeah, yeah.
14:57Wow.
14:59That's a cool case.
15:00Yeah, it's crazy.
15:02And good for you guys for getting it done
15:03so you could make the dog feel better.
15:05And good thinking on bringing her back in the morning.
15:08It worked out.
15:10Yeah, that's awesome.
15:11Hopefully she doesn't have another dental in her life.
15:13Oh, gosh.
15:14I think she only has like her incisors.
15:17Yeah, yeah.
15:17And a bottom canine, I think that's it.
15:19Yeah.
15:20Yeah.
15:21And then she has two bottomlers over here actually.
15:25It's amazing, they'll eat without.
15:26Yeah, they don't care.
15:27Yeah.
15:28And she is highly food motivated and driven dog.
15:31So she never really like,
15:33I mean, she stopped eating a little bit, but yeah.
15:37Gosh.
15:38Okay.
15:39All right.
15:40Mine was a patient that Dr. Polson and I saw today.
15:44So we had someone call and they came in on emergency.
15:47So it was a three-year-old British short-haired
15:49spayed female cat.
15:52She came in on emergency for like kind of off breathing.
15:56She wasn't moving around a whole lot, kind of lethargic,
15:59just not acting like herself.
16:01So I go in the room and with emergencies,
16:04usually the technician will assess the situation,
16:06see if it truly is emergent or not, because you never know.
16:10So I went in there, the cat's in the carrier,
16:11just chilling.
16:12So I talked to the owner.
16:14The history was within the last day and a half,
16:18her breathing was efforted.
16:20Like abdominal effort with her breathing.
16:21She wasn't playing with her housemate as much.
16:24She ate breakfast fine this morning, not on any meds.
16:28She's on a CD diet.
16:30But other than that,
16:31she's had a pretty clean bill of health her whole life.
16:34So I said, okay, let's go ahead.
16:36I'll take her back, let Dr. Polson look at her,
16:38and then we'll come back and update you.
16:41So I take her back to x-ray,
16:43just that was the only available area that had oxygen
16:45just in case, because it was a trouble breathing.
16:48So we get her out and she immediately starts,
16:52like, I mean, her breathing gets pretty rapid
16:54and she's getting stressed quickly.
16:55She's also a cat that doesn't like to be handled
16:57in the clinic, which didn't help anything.
17:00So Dr. Polson got her out,
17:01started listening to her heart and her lungs.
17:04Her lungs were pretty crackly,
17:06and then she just started open mouth breathing.
17:09So we put her back in the carrier
17:12and we said, this is better than,
17:13cause she was trying to run from us and corralling her.
17:15It was just making the situation 10 times worse
17:18than it needed to be.
17:19So I put her back in the carrier.
17:21I have flow by oxygen on her,
17:22but not too close because that was stressing her out more.
17:26I tried to get an SpO2 on her.
17:27It read like 95 at one point,
17:29but then it was 75 and then it was 84.
17:31It was on her ear and she was moving, so whatever.
17:34So I keep the cat in her carrier.
17:35I try to give her as much flow by oxygen as I can.
17:3910 minutes pass while Dr. Polson is talking to the owner,
17:41just running through, like,
17:43possibilities, what we want to do.
17:45She's still open mouth breathing.
17:46She just cannot calm down.
17:47Every time I get close to her carrier to look at her,
17:50just make sure she's okay.
17:51She freaks out.
17:52She tries to get away from me.
17:53She kept trying to bolt out of the carrier.
17:55So it just, the situation,
17:57her breathing was already bad.
17:58And then when a cat that worked up, it's just worse.
18:00So we decided to give her butorphanol
18:04to try to calm her down a little bit.
18:06We gave that IM.
18:09About 10, 15 minutes pass by,
18:11she's still open mouth breathing.
18:12Nothing is helping.
18:14So then Dr. Polson's like,
18:16okay, maybe let's add in a little olfaxin.
18:18So she goes and gets that, comes back to the cat room.
18:21Well, while she's getting that medication,
18:24the cat, she just starts flailing in her carrier.
18:27She's going in circles.
18:28She's panicking, trying to get away,
18:30just freaked, full on panic attack.
18:33So then I try to get her out
18:35and then she starts going agonal.
18:37She does the death cry, the death scream the cats do.
18:40She goes completely agonal.
18:43And then I had, so I grabbed her
18:45just trying to like stabilize her.
18:46So she wouldn't hit her head.
18:47So she wouldn't fly off the table.
18:48So I have another tech trying to get a catheter in
18:51or other techs grabbing ET tubes.
18:53We got like everything we can think of.
18:56And then she goes limp and she turns purple
19:00and she's not breathing.
19:00And then fluid just starts pouring.
19:03Like I mean, pouring.
19:05And she's a nine pound cat.
19:07Like it was like, I feel like it was her body weight
19:09and fluid just pouring out of her nose and her mouth.
19:13So we rush her to our surgery area
19:14where we're more equipped with things.
19:17We tried intubating.
19:17There was so much fluid.
19:18We had suction.
19:19We had a tech doing actually mouth to mouth with her.
19:22We were doing chest compressions.
19:24We could not give Venus access.
19:25Four people tried.
19:26We just couldn't get anything.
19:28Couldn't poke the heart either.
19:29Yeah, so we actually,
19:30we gave atropine and epi intracardiac once
19:34during compression.
19:35So we stopped them, gave that.
19:37Continued compressions, continued to try to intubate her.
19:40We finally got her intubated after a while.
19:44And we tried to try,
19:46we tried to do a second round of epi,
19:48but no, we couldn't hit her heart that time.
19:52So Dr. Pulse was going back and forth updating the owners
19:55cause they did want us to try everything we could.
19:58And then she finally went back and they called it.
20:01So she did not make it,
20:03but she had pericardial fusion.
20:07Pleural fusion.
20:08Pleural fusion, CHF probably.
20:11It was just, it was very chaotic
20:12and it just happened so fast.
20:14Oh gosh, cats are just, they just turn on a dime.
20:16And then of course,
20:17people in the situation are beating themselves up.
20:18But I'm like, she, there was,
20:19I mean, we couldn't have done anything.
20:21Like even if we wanted to do x-rays,
20:22she probably would have died during x-rays
20:24because of how stressed she was already.
20:27So it was just a really crappy situation.
20:29And the cat was only three.
20:30The owners were very, very grateful.
20:32They were very sweet and they're in the medical fields.
20:34They're understanding, but just a really crappy situation.
20:39I mean, cats just don't do well in those situations.
20:42I mean, they just don't.
20:43No, because they already don't like you.
20:44And then on top of that, they can't breathe.
20:46They just like to die anytime that that's,
20:48they're in that position.
20:49Which I was expecting it
20:50because of her open mouth breathing and her stress.
20:51I was like, I'm like, I was just lost.
20:53It's gonna happen.
20:54It's like, you're just waiting.
20:55It's gonna happen, it's gonna happen.
20:56It's like staring at a ticking time bomb.
20:57Like I was just, I was like,
20:59she's gonna do it at one point.
21:00Cause she meowed at one point and I was like, there it is.
21:02But then, yeah, it was just a crap storm.
21:06But our team did fantastic.
21:09We moved so fast.
21:10We had everything we needed.
21:11Yeah, there were a lot of people in there.
21:12Yeah, there was no, I mean, she wasn't gonna be saved.
21:15Like it was just one of those.
21:17Yeah.
21:18Just really, really crappy.
21:19Yeah.
21:20I had a feeling it was gonna lead into that too.
21:21Yeah, yeah.
21:23So it was a bummer.
21:25Last month for an annual.
21:26Oh yeah, she was in January for an annual.
21:28Blood work was beautiful.
21:29Everything was beautiful.
21:30She did though, I think you might've done it.
21:32We were gonna look into it and I don't think we did.
21:35We did recommend an echo for that cat before her spay
21:38because of her breed.
21:40But I don't know if you, I'm pretty sure you did it.
21:42Yeah.
21:43So, but I think that was normal at the time.
21:45Yeah.
21:46But I mean, those things happen like that.
21:47Well, and with cardiac disease in cats,
21:50they don't have to have murmurs.
21:51So the majority of them don't typically.
21:54So like to your point of her being in for an annual.
21:58She has a, I have pet sat this cat.
22:01I pet sit her and her sister all summer, every summer.
22:06And they have her half sister.
22:11She's a British long hair, but they're like,
22:12yeah, we're gonna bring her in like next week for a workup.
22:15So it's scary.
22:17Cause Sirma, sorry, she's purebred, British short hair.
22:21And then her sister is like,
22:24they have one of the same parents.
22:25Yeah.
22:26So it's a little scary for them.
22:27I mean, PTSD is a real thing.
22:28Absolutely.
22:30Yeah.
22:31When they have that and they have cardiac disease,
22:32they're fine until they're not.
22:34And then all of a sudden they are not fine.
22:36And it could be anything that sets them
22:38into congestive heart failure.
22:39They could be at the house and they run down the hallway
22:42and now they're in congestive heart failure.
22:43Yep.
22:44It's so different than dogs.
22:47It's just really interesting.
22:48Yeah.
22:49It's like one of the, I mean,
22:50we weren't gonna win either way.
22:51No.
22:52Like I said, let alone,
22:53we couldn't even do any diagnostics on this cat.
22:55Well, and then when it's not, I mean,
22:56you can't even poke.
22:57The thing is she's not normally that stressed
23:00in the clinic, I feel like.
23:01Oh, somebody had told,
23:02I personally hadn't had much experience with her,
23:04but other people said she didn't like being handled.
23:06Last month when she was in for her annual,
23:08I got her blood.
23:09I did her vaccines.
23:10Like, oh, so I mean,
23:11so she was just really congested.
23:12But yeah, she's not feeling good.
23:13She literally couldn't breathe.
23:14Yeah.
23:15So that makes sense.
23:16Yeah.
23:18Crappy situation.
23:19Those are good cases though.
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23:46Hey everyone, I love the pod.
23:48Such a good way to learn something new while I do homework.
23:51I'm currently going to be attending vet school in the fall
23:54and I've always been a large animal person.
23:57For the times I've been in small animal med,
23:59I've seen a lot of conflict between client and vet
24:02when it comes to applying care plans.
24:04The question I have is how do you approach clients
24:06to have their degree from WebMD
24:08and aren't taking your knowledge
24:10and applying it to their pets?
24:11I know as vets, we are in the business of people
24:14with a side of animals and I want to be
24:16an effective communicator on behalf of the animals
24:18I hope to care for.
24:19Much appreciated from Delaney Amaral.
24:24Gosh, that's a good question.
24:25That's a really good question.
24:27Yeah.
24:27So how do you approach clients
24:28that have their degree from the web?
24:31So Dr. Google.
24:32And aren't taking your knowledge
24:34and applying it to their pets?
24:36That is so difficult because I feel like you can-
24:38You could print off like veterinary institution
24:42or if they're really gung-ho about looking on the web,
24:46you can give them like reliable websites.
24:48Reliable sources.
24:49That's a great way to.
24:51So it sounds like you could say something like,
24:53so it sounds like you have done quite a bit of research
24:57on renal failure in cats.
25:00What I'd like to do is direct you to some websites
25:03that have reliable information on renal failure.
25:07And then you'll be a great advocate for blah, blah, blah.
25:13Or saying things like, you can say things like,
25:16oh, I totally know where you're coming from.
25:18That is an old line of thinking that has been dismissed
25:23as of now because of this, this, this, and this.
25:26Just updated information or give them facts, new research.
25:32But ultimately, if they're not going to take what you say
25:34and if they're not going to trust you in your judgment
25:38and your knowledge, then it's really hard to help them.
25:41That's what I was gonna say.
25:42I was gonna say some owners are just gung-ho
25:43on what they read is what it, and then-
25:46I mean, we have people who come in and be like,
25:48hey, I believe garlic takes care of fleas.
25:50I'm not doing anything else.
25:52You could show them 15 million things,
25:54pieces of information, it's not going to matter.
25:57So like-
25:58Pick your battles.
25:59I mean, yeah, absolutely.
26:02Sometimes.
26:03Yeah, for sure.
26:04And I don't see that very often.
26:06It's not like a, it's not like a every single day occurring.
26:09The fun stuff is when it's like someone
26:11in the medical profession, but they're not like a doctor.
26:15So they have a little bit of knowledge
26:17and then there's one client that comes to mind.
26:19But those are always fun conversations.
26:22You have one recommendation,
26:23they're like, what about this medication?
26:24I'm like, no.
26:26Yeah, yeah.
26:28So I think just continuing, again,
26:30we talked about conversations, maybe.
26:32Was that this podcast?
26:33Last podcast.
26:34Last podcast, okay.
26:35So getting good at conversations.
26:38And then I think also to your point, Courtney,
26:40understanding who you can sell to and who you cannot.
26:46Yes, there are some people that it doesn't matter,
26:47like we said.
26:48Don't waste your breath.
26:49But then there are other people
26:50that are interested in learning from you.
26:52They just truly don't know.
26:53Yep.
26:54You read it.
26:55I mean, it's on the internet, so.
26:57Yep, absolutely.
26:58Well, thanks for listening to us while you do homework.
27:00Gosh, I would not be able to focus.
27:02I know, right?
27:04We talk about so much stuff.
27:05Exactly, exactly, exactly.
27:08Okay, next one.
27:10Hello, everyone.
27:11I was wondering what y'all's thoughts
27:12or insights were on island schools.
27:15Ross, SGU, et cetera.
27:17I'm coming to the end of my second cycle
27:20of applying and currently have one acceptance to SGU
27:22with a couple more schools to hear back from.
27:25Just wondering if there is still a stigma
27:27around these schools.
27:28Thanks, y'all from Emily.
27:30I know someone that went to St. George
27:31and someone that went to Ross,
27:32and they both had tremendous experiences.
27:36I don't know much about it.
27:37Yeah, I would say that I don't think
27:39that there's a stigma necessarily around it anymore
27:41because they've been around for so long.
27:42There's been so many classes that have been graduated.
27:45The biggest deterrent is cost.
27:48You do not want to go
27:49unless you absolutely have no other choices.
27:53Or you just are made-
27:54Is it tremendously more expensive?
27:55Oh, yes.
27:56Unless you just made money and it doesn't matter.
27:58Sure, then go to an island to go to school.
28:01I don't think there's any more,
28:02I don't think, I just don't think there's a stigma anymore.
28:05Yeah, I don't think there is either.
28:07It's not like your education is less.
28:08The person I know that went to Ross
28:11was like a little while ago,
28:14and then the person I know that went to St. George
28:17which was more recent, but they both loved it.
28:20Yeah, yeah.
28:22Yeah, so I would use it as your last resort
28:26just because of cost, but otherwise I think you're-
28:28Wait, by island school,
28:30do they literally mean schools on an island?
28:32Yeah, that's what those are, St. George, Ross.
28:35Interesting.
28:37It's like in a Caribbean climate.
28:39It's really nice.
28:40I would love to experience that.
28:42Please invite the Rotary Roundtable.
28:43We'll make it come.
28:44Once again, we are down to come to an island.
28:47We will travel to any islands.
28:48If we haven't said it enough.
28:49We will travel by boat.
28:50We will travel by boat.
28:51By plane, by boat, by car.
28:53I'll swim.
28:54Whatever gets us there, we'll get there.
28:56Give me my floaties and I'll swim.
28:58This isn't necessarily an island,
28:59but I know that a lot of vet students
29:01have been entertaining the idea
29:02of going to vet school in Europe
29:03just because it's cheaper and it's,
29:05is it shorter?
29:07I don't know if it's shorter.
29:08No, but I think it's much harder
29:09unless it's an accredited institution,
29:12it's much harder to then come over here
29:15and get your license, right?
29:16Because we talked to the.
29:17We talked to Dr. Isabel.
29:19Yeah, from Mexico, right?
29:21And I think that's part of the problem, right?
29:23If you say there's a shortage of veterinarians,
29:24then there should be a faster way
29:26to incorporate these veterinarians
29:27who have training outside of the United States
29:30into the United States.
29:31Yeah, I mean.
29:32If that's where they're living.
29:33Huh.
29:34Yeah.
29:35That's a good point.
29:36I do think there's disease processes
29:37that are probably different in other countries.
29:39Well, yeah, remember what she told us
29:40about how much her tuition was?
29:41We were all like.
29:43Yeah.
29:43Do you remember, Dr. Isabel?
29:44It was like $5.
29:46It was ridiculous.
29:47Yeah.
29:48But I've heard that it's cheaper in Europe
29:49and that people go over there for that.
29:50Yeah.
29:52But then, yeah, you run into the problem
29:53of coming back here and practicing.
29:54Yeah.
29:55That could be an issue.
29:56Okay.
29:57Hi, my name is Sophia Wright.
29:59I have a 15-year-old golden doodle
30:01that on 2-11-25 had to see our vet
30:03because a cyst got infected.
30:05While me and my mom were there,
30:06the vet felt another lump near his lower jaw
30:11on the right side and told us that the lump
30:12is either thyroid cancer or salivary gland cancer.
30:16The vet said that the lump felt pretty firm
30:18and is seven millimeters.
30:19Is there anything that we could do
30:21to find out exactly what it is?
30:22I think I'm wanting to know
30:24because I want to know a little bit more about each.
30:27His name is Donovan.
30:28FNA.
30:29Yes, binodal aspirate.
30:31Aspirate that puppy.
30:32That's all I got.
30:33Biopsy.
30:33I mean, you could,
30:34seven millimeters is not big.
30:36No.
30:37So you could actually do an excisional biopsy.
30:39Yeah.
30:40Unless it was buried against the larynx
30:42or something.
30:43If the FNA is inconclusive, do a biopsy.
30:44But you should be able to FNA
30:45and tell that it's a salivary gland.
30:47Easy.
30:48Like that.
30:49I mean, it'll be all stringy and weird looking.
30:51But absolutely, aspirate it.
30:54It's non-invasive.
30:55The dog's not gonna care.
30:59Absolutely aspirate it.
31:00Or is he saying he just straight up,
31:01I mean, if he said one or the other,
31:03then there's no way he didn't FNA.
31:04I'm wondering what the vet did.
31:07I want to know a little bit more about each,
31:10what does that mean?
31:11About each, whether it's thyroid cancer or salivary gland?
31:14Yeah.
31:15So you want to know?
31:15I guess if he did FNA.
31:16He wants to know more information
31:17about those disease processes.
31:19From us?
31:20No, just in general.
31:21He wants to know what it is
31:22so then he can learn about those things.
31:25Okay, got it.
31:26If the dog has one or the other.
31:27Okay, got it.
31:28Right?
31:29That's how I read it.
31:29Does that make sense?
31:30I'm thinking the dog's a boy
31:31and then I'm talking as if,
31:33her name is Sophia, right?
31:34Yeah.
31:35I'm calling her a guy.
31:36Sorry, Sophia.
31:36Donovan's the dog.
31:37Donovan's the guy.
31:38Donovan.
31:40I mean, geez, just aspirate it.
31:41It'll take two seconds.
31:42Yeah.
31:43If he already did,
31:44what do you think the chances are
31:46that the vet did aspirate it
31:47and the differentials are thyroid cancer
31:49or salivary gland cancer?
31:50Then he didn't send it in to get histopathology.
31:54So you could take that and put it on the imagist
31:56or you would send it into the lab.
31:58Yeah.
31:59And then the pathologist should tell you.
32:02Yeah.
32:03If the pathologist did not know whether it was.
32:05That's the problem.
32:06I don't think that's possible.
32:08I just don't think that's would have happened.
32:10They're two different,
32:12like seeing whether it's a salivary gland.
32:14Yeah.
32:15They seem like they would be pretty different.
32:17I was gonna say lower jaw.
32:18Like, could it be?
32:20Cause I would think she would have said
32:21the vet said the lump was firm.
32:23She aspirated it.
32:24Would like an x-ray be beneficial at all?
32:27Yeah.
32:28At that area?
32:29I mean, seven millimeters.
32:30You gotta think about,
32:31I mean, seven millimeters is like this big.
32:33It's tiny.
32:34FNA.
32:35That's the first step.
32:36If it's seven centimeters,
32:38which would be three inches.
32:40So that would be more like, right?
32:43Which maybe that's what,
32:45but I mean, I'm going with what she said.
32:47It was seven millimeters.
32:47Yeah, I think it's millimeters.
32:49Get rid of that sucker.
32:50If it's at all located in the subcutaneous space,
32:52just psh.
32:54Unless it's attached to something, but.
32:56But at least aspirate it.
32:57Yeah.
32:58That's the first step.
32:59That's our final answer.
33:00Yes.
33:01Absolutely.
33:04Shall I?
33:04You shall.
33:06Everyone's just staring at me.
33:06Take us out.
33:07You're in the chair, baby.
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