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00:00Today's generation is the three popular writers who gathered in Honno-machi, Jinbo-cho.
00:06Oh, the camera's rolling.
00:07I see.
00:08When was the last time we met? About a month ago?
00:11That was the last time we met at the end of the year.
00:13Yeah, at the end of the year.
00:15That was at the end of the year.
00:16That was at the end of the year, in December.
00:18It was a little over a month after I left Naoki-sho.
00:23At that time...
00:23A year and a month?
00:25A year and a month.
00:26Oh, that long.
00:27It was in January.
00:28We got together and asked if we could do a charity novel, and that's how it started.
00:33You guys did a good job.
00:36The three of them planned a charity novel to support the affected areas of the Noto Peninsula.
00:42They published Ae-no-Gatari, a short story by ten popular writers, in January of this year.
00:47It's really good. It's a hit as a thing.
00:50Mr. Shigeaki Kato has demonstrated his talent as a writer while working in the news.
00:57He's also been nominated for the Naoki Award twice, and he's got a knack for it.
01:04He's also been active as an actor,
01:06and has starred in the main lead, Edmond, the man who wrote Cyrano de Bergerac.
01:12Mr. Kato, the writer, plays Edmond, a playwright who fell into a slump and couldn't write.
01:19I was already saying that I was going to win the Naoki Award.
01:22Mr. Shogo Imamura is a writer of historical novels and periodicals.
01:27He won the Naoki Award for his work on The Lord of the Rings.
01:32He's currently active in many fields, such as making war gods into dramas,
01:36and running a bookstore in Sangen.
01:42To be honest, I have nothing more to say about winning the award.
01:46Mr. Satoshi Ogawa made his debut as an SF novelist during his time at Tokyo University.
01:52He won the Naoki Award for his work on The Lord of the Rings.
01:56He's been in the spotlight for his work on various genres, such as SF, history, and mystery.
02:03Mr. Imamura and I originally had a mutual friend.
02:08I heard on the radio that Shige's dad was a fan of mine.
02:13So I asked him out for a meal, and he said yes.
02:16That's how it was.
02:17When Mr. Sato says something interesting on the radio,
02:20a lot of fans report it, so it immediately gets into the ears of the editors.
02:25It's okay to say you like something you like.
02:29When I made my debut, to be honest, I don't remember much,
02:34but I was told that I was an idol.
02:36I was told a lot.
02:37From a friend, well, I'm not a friend anymore,
02:41but I guess I wanted to be a novelist.
02:45I was told that a guy like me would never write a book.
02:49I was told that the literature world was over.
02:51There are people like that.
02:53I told him to read it and give me advice, but he said it was worthless.
02:59I was really pissed off.
03:00It was like a backdoor entrance.
03:02I was close to entering the backdoor.
03:04I felt sorry for him all the time, so I thought I had to continue.
03:10Until I joined this industry,
03:13I thought Mr. Sato was a piece of shit.
03:17Are you okay now?
03:19Now that I'm in,
03:20there's only one writer who has the potential to increase the number of readers.
03:25It's only Mr. Sato.
03:27I might have thought he was a piece of shit,
03:30but if you actually read it, you can tell that he was reading a book.
03:34You can tell, right?
03:36If you say he's a piece of shit, he's a piece of shit.
03:39I think he's a piece of shit.
03:41I can tell you don't want to read it.
03:42I can tell you don't want to read it.
03:44I don't allow all the talented writers.
03:49Some people might think I'm a piece of shit.
03:51I think you're a piece of shit, too.
03:53The reason I think you're a piece of shit is because you don't want to quit.
03:57I can tell.
03:58Even though you only published one book,
04:01you wanted to put a book in your coffin.
04:06I can tell.
04:38Hello, hello
04:40I don't know why you say goodbye
04:43I say hello
04:45You don't really talk about novels, do you?
04:47I don't really talk about novels, do I?
04:50First of all, why did you start writing?
04:53There's more than one reason.
04:55To put it simply,
04:57writers are cool, aren't they?
05:00Are they cool?
05:01No, I mean...
05:02The news is cooler, right?
05:04No, no, no.
05:05It's like a high school student.
05:08No, no, no.
05:09Novelists were really cool.
05:12Oh, really?
05:13They were like a thug.
05:14I don't think so.
05:16I've never thought of that.
05:17I think I was in that generation.
05:20There was Sekachu.
05:21And there were two young actors.
05:24Mr. Kanagawa and Mr. Watanabe.
05:26It was sensational for a young person to become a novelist.
05:30It looks intellectual, doesn't it?
05:32It's like an idol.
05:33How can I say?
05:35It's the look.
05:37It's like a salesman.
05:39It's a reverse.
05:41It's not a rebellion.
05:42It's more like a human brain.
05:45It's like a human brain.
05:48I think it's because they praise me a lot about my superficial part.
05:54I think I'm more like that.
05:56That's a luxury.
05:58I'm getting angry.
06:00No, no, no.
06:02I was serious at that time.
06:05I don't think Mr. Imamura is the most intellectual type of these three.
06:10You say that.
06:11You say that I have a shabby pattern.
06:13Mr. Imamura is an active person.
06:17I've never seen a novelist who's more active than me.
06:21I don't think there's anyone who's more active than me.
06:23I don't think so.
06:25I don't think there's anyone in this genre.
06:26That's right.
06:27You wrote a novel that was about to collapse.
06:31I didn't do it because I was asked to do it.
06:33I didn't do it because I was asked to do it.
06:37I used to dance until I was 30 years old.
06:41I used to run a family business.
06:43So I think I was very tied up.
06:47I really want to act.
06:49I've always had a desire to see what I've made.
06:53I've always had a desire to see what I've made.
06:55I was 30 years old.
06:57I happened to be reading a lot of books.
06:59I thought the best way to express myself was through a novel.
07:04Most people don't read books.
07:07That's right.
07:08I used to read SHIBARI OTARO on the train.
07:12I was a naughty boy.
07:13I had piercings on my ears.
07:14I had a mustache from high school.
07:15But you really liked novels.
07:17I like novels.
07:18I have a strange hero mind.
07:20I want to save someone because I've noticed it.
07:25You want to jump.
07:28I told my students to make their dreams come true.
07:32I said I would make my dream come true.
07:33I said I would win the grand prize.
07:35I told my students that they were running away from their dreams.
07:38They said they were running away from their dreams.
07:40They said they couldn't make their dreams come true.
07:43There aren't many people like that.
07:45Novelists don't say their dreams come true.
07:47That's right.
07:49I'm being praised like I'm being dissed.
07:53I'm glad I found my own style.
07:56You were studying, weren't you?
07:58I had a lot of things I didn't want to do.
08:01I had to get up early every morning.
08:06I had to get on a crowded train.
08:08I had to work as a teacher at a university.
08:12I had to do a lot of things I didn't want to do.
08:15I had to run an organization at a university.
08:18So I became a novelist.
08:20But you got used to being a novelist.
08:23When I was reading a novel, I thought about what I should do.
08:29I thought I could do it if I did it.
08:32Isn't it very difficult to write a novel?
08:35I thought about how to make my debut and how to survive as a writer.
08:41That's a strategy.
08:43You have to work hard to do what you don't want to do.
08:46That's logical.
08:47The SF novel of Hayakawa Shobo had a suspension period of 10 to 20 years.
08:54So there were no young people among SF writers.
08:58There were no writers who made their debut during that time.
09:01There were only about 400 entries.
09:03If there were five people in the final selection, it would be one-eighth of the book.
09:06I knew it was important to be a book.
09:09In order to connect to the next job.
09:11I see.
09:12In terms of survival, SF has few rivals in the current industry.
09:19It's hard to survive, so it's easy to survive.
09:22That's good.
09:24I think that's Shura's point.
09:26Instead, you write what you like.
09:28That's right.
09:29I think news is much harder than SF and history.
09:36That's true.
09:37You look like you have a big mouth, but you have a barrier called news.
09:41That's true.
09:43The fun and difficulty of being in a group.
09:47I make things by myself.
09:49The fun and the hard part of being alone.
09:53In a good way, both become reality.
09:55First of all, the balance of the mind is good.
09:57Even if something happens.
09:59Even if either of them goes wrong.
10:01I think so.
10:03You'll be relaxed.
10:05I thought that idols had a clear expiration date.
10:08It's like a reversal of what you can't have.
10:10I remember thinking that I was the original author of Naoki Shosaka.
10:14I don't think there are many people who become a novelist.
10:22There are various people, right?
10:24There are writers and others.
10:26I have to read novels.
10:28It's better to read it.
10:30If you don't want to read a book, you don't have to read a book.
10:34This is my opinion.
10:36There aren't many people who have a boring story.
10:38I see.
10:40The job of a novelist is to tell an interesting story to people you don't know.
10:46Speaking and writing are similar.
10:50There are many people who don't like people.
10:54There are many people in the world who have a really boring story.
10:58There are no people who don't know what they're talking about.
11:02Everyone teaches me.
11:04Some editors have a really boring story.
11:08Some novelists have a really long story.
11:12Most novelists have a long story.
11:14That's right.
11:16There are people who have a long story and personality.
11:20We have a long story.
11:24Mr. Imamura and Mr. Ogawa won the Naoki Award.
11:28Mr. Kato's work has been nominated twice.
11:32What does the Naoki Award mean to you?
11:36Mr. Imamura said he wanted the award.
11:40I felt like I had to win the award.
11:44It's not about money or honor.
11:46It's like a baseball boy wants a Golden Glove Award.
11:50It's an award that his favorite players won.
11:52When I won the Naoki Award, I wrote a manuscript.
11:56I thought I was writing a manuscript for Naoki Award.
12:01You must have been very excited.
12:04Even now, when I take a bath, I feel like I'm winning the Naoki Award.
12:10You're having the most fun.
12:12I'm enjoying my Naoki Award life.
12:14Mr. Shigeno, you want the Naoki Award, right?
12:17I feel like I have to win the Naoki Award.
12:23It's like the pressure around me.
12:25Let's have fun.
12:27It's fun to win the Naoki Award.
12:29I don't remember how long it took to win the Naoki Award.
12:32I remember I took a bath.
12:34When I was dancing in the news, I was dancing to Naoki's song.
12:37That's interesting.
12:39I have to win the Naoki Award.
12:41You've won the Naoki Award twice.
12:43You have the ability to win the Naoki Award twice.
12:48I think the second time was the most difficult.
12:51I won the Naoki Award for the second time.
12:53I was in the same magazine as Naoki.
12:56At that time, there were a lot of people who wanted to win the Naoki Award.
13:03No, there weren't.
13:05There were a lot of people who wanted to win the Naoki Award.
13:08Mr. Iwamura said it himself.
13:10There were a lot of people who wanted to win the Naoki Award.
13:14There aren't many people who say that.
13:16Isn't it a little lame?
13:18It's a little lame for the award.
13:20That's exactly what happened to me.
13:22When I said I would win the Naoki Award next time,
13:25the only disadvantage was that it was lame.
13:28But there are people who want to help me.
13:30I know the advantage of meeting people.
13:33I don't care if it's lame.
13:35That's true.
13:37That's why I'm doing a lot of things.
13:39You don't care if it's lame.
13:42And I don't remember what I couldn't achieve.
13:46That's true.
13:48I think it's better to say that.
13:50It's definitely more profitable.
13:52The generation above us,
13:54if we won the Naoki Award,
13:56our lives would be safe.
13:58But in our time,
14:00if we don't win the Naoki Award,
14:02we're in the middle of a time
14:04where we can't stand on the starting line as a writer.
14:07It's in the middle of that time.
14:09I think the book sales were about one-third at the time of the Naoki Award.
14:13The book sales were about one-third.
14:15The book sales were about one-third.
14:17There aren't many writers who can sell 100,000 copies at a time.
14:21There aren't many.
14:23Mr. Higashino.
14:25Mr. Ikeido.
14:27Mr. Murakami Haruki.
14:29But are you aware of your age?
14:33Are you all in your 40s?
14:35I'm in my mid-40s.
14:37I'm sure your work will change.
14:40It might change.
14:42What I've decided is that
14:44I need to adjust my physical strength.
14:47The balance of this triangle is the ten-year golden period.
14:51I'm going to go for the theme of Shiba Ryotaro,
14:54the titan of this industry.
14:56Can you say that first?
14:58I'm going to challenge Ryoma.
15:00I'm going to challenge the Shinsengumi.
15:03That's how much of a threat Shiba Ryotaro is in this genre.
15:07If you time attack Mario Kart,
15:10you'll see the highest-scoring ghost.
15:14I'm going to fight against the ghost of Shiba Ryotaro.
15:18I don't think this is the only genre,
15:21but the ghost of this genre is way ahead of us.
15:24It's been 30 years.
15:26But it's still the most popular.
15:28The election rate is still soaring.
15:31Not everyone tried to consciously overcome the wall.
15:35If I collapse here,
15:37I'm looking forward to the next generation.
15:42I think we need a corpse that can challenge and collapse.
15:46Don't you think there's a ghost of SF?
15:48Shinichi Hoshi released all the patterns.
15:51I know.
15:53Yasutaka Tsutsui released all the patterns he didn't release.
15:56Oh, right.
15:58The SF titans of that era
16:00couldn't do it with their imagination.
16:03It's better to do it first.
16:05There's no such thing as winning if you do it first.
16:07You win if you come up with an idea first.
16:10I see.
16:11Has it changed in your 40s?
16:13The spec of the brain itself is declining year by year.
16:16I've been feeling that since the late 20s.
16:20It's the same with shogi players.
16:23The peak of the brain spec is around 20 years old.
16:28But the peak as a shogi player comes after that.
16:31I think it's because of the technology and experience after that.
16:36In general, people don't look at soccer like that.
16:39They don't think it's going to peak like a knight or a sports player.
16:43But I feel it when I actually play it.
16:45The peak is coming somewhere.
16:47That's why I wanted to be a novelist in my 20s.
16:54Idol has grown a lot now,
16:57but I thought there was a clear expiration date.
17:00I see.
17:01I wanted to have a long expiration date.
17:05You were thinking about your second career.
17:07I was thinking about my second career.
17:09It doesn't have to be at the same time.
17:11If I had a second career, I thought I could enjoy the present more.
17:14But I thought the peak was far away.
17:16I thought the peak was around 60.
17:19But I thought there were a lot of things I could only write now.
17:24Actually, Mr. Kato had a hard time in his main job.
17:29I've been there many times.
17:31I've been there many times.
17:32Speaking of the peak,
17:34when I look at Mr. Kitagata, I want to step on the gas pedal again.
17:39I don't know.
17:41I don't know.
17:42I want to be like that.
17:43But I'm sure there's a time when I'm on the gas.
17:50You were the first to make your debut.
17:53That's right.
17:54It's not that we're slowing down.
17:57It's because other jobs are increasing.
17:59I'm singing.
18:00Do you have a day off?
18:01No.
18:02I don't.
18:03I don't.
18:04I have a lot of days off.
18:05There are days when I didn't do anything as a result.
18:08I don't have a day off from the beginning.
18:11No.
18:12I'm playing the most.
18:15I go fishing.
18:17I recently started playing mahjong.
18:19Let's do it.
18:20Are you going to do it?
18:21I'm very good at it.
18:22Let's do it.
18:23It's okay. Time will melt.
18:25I'm very good at mahjong, too.
18:27Let's do it.
18:28I'm a little different from you two.
18:32I'll get better.
18:33I can do it.
18:34You can reduce your expectations.
18:37If you're going to do it, I want to do it seriously.
18:39I want to do it seriously.
18:40I'm going to lose my brain.
18:45I'm going to remember what I can remember in my life.
18:49That was mahjong.
18:51I didn't believe in luck at all.
18:57I thought there was a hint.
19:00Don't you have a hint?
19:02I have a lot of time to play mahjong.
19:05I don't have a hint.
19:06Do you play video games?
19:07I like it.
19:08I used to like it, but I don't play it at all.
19:10When is it fun?
19:12I feel sorry for you.
19:15I'm writing a novel.
19:16Why are you writing a novel?
19:20I was surprised.
19:23I was convinced.
19:26I only get 10% of my income from my novels.
19:33It's not for money.
19:36It's not for your hobby?
19:39I think it's my biggest hobby to do something with everyone.
19:43I'm writing a novel to play mahjong.
19:47You can play mahjong because you're writing a novel.
19:50It's not self-discovery.
19:52It's loneliness.
19:54I'm thinking about it.
19:57I like it when I'm thinking.
19:59I like it when I'm thinking about what to talk about next.
20:02If you have time.
20:05I have to do it for the time being.
20:07It's hard to think within the limit of 24 hours.
20:11There is a joy when you can break through the impossible.
20:15There is.
20:17Mr. Kato's new book, Miyakis Symphony.
20:21A story of various forms of love, including family, friends, and lovers.
20:26It took seven years to complete.
20:30I don't know what kind of story it is this time.
20:32Let's read it in a neutral way.
20:34The catchphrase is a story of love.
20:36It's a little embarrassing to explain.
20:39I'm going to draw a lot of people's relationships.
20:42Mr. Kato, you can draw a lot of people's profiles.
20:47That's why it's related to the novel.
20:50It's been a while since I wrote it.
20:53It's been seven and a half years.
20:56It's after the start.
20:58What is a novel?
21:00I've been thinking about it a lot lately.
21:02It's a novel.
21:04Why are we writing a novel?
21:07Isn't it okay to be a manga?
21:09There are a lot of good manga.
21:11The first thing that came to mind when I chose my career was being a manga artist.
21:16Oh, I see.
21:18In other words, it's a job that you can do by yourself.
21:22I couldn't draw a picture, so I threw away the possibility.
21:27There are things that are born in the picture.
21:30It's not for the reader, but for the writer.
21:33I can only write novels.
21:36There are probably more people who read than write.
21:39If you want to write a novel, you should read it before you write it.
21:42I agree.
21:43I wonder if it's hip-hop or rap.
21:46It's like a reversal of what you don't have.
21:50It's like you don't have to be good at playing an instrument.
21:53I think it's similar.
21:55If it sells, it's like a sold-out.
21:59It's like you're in a selling battle.
22:02It's like you're in a pop scene.
22:05It's like you're in a pop scene.
22:08It's like you're in a selling battle.
22:11I'm sure there are people who think I'm an entertainment writer.
22:15Don't you get better at writing novels?
22:18I think it's the same for manga.
22:20If you train, your skills will improve.
22:24You seem to be able to draw a number of things.
22:27For example, I have to do this because it's like this.
22:30It's like a combination.
22:32I don't think our progress in drawing is noticeable.
22:37I don't think so.
22:39But I guess it's good that you don't notice it.
22:42I don't know what this sentence is about.
22:44I don't know what this person is saying.
22:47I think the technical problem is how close you can get to what you want to express and what you read.
22:56It's rude to talk about growth rate.
22:59But it's a high rate of growth.
23:01I want you to think I'm good at it.
23:04I want you to think I'm good at it.
23:07I don't want to get rid of that.
23:10I don't want to get rid of that.
23:14I want you to be serious.
23:19I was told that I was cheeky when I was in my 20s.
23:24I was told that I was good at writing novels when I was young.
23:28I want you to think I'm good at it.
23:31I want you to think I'm good at it.
23:33It's the worst.
23:35I don't know how to get rid of it.
23:38I don't have confidence in myself.
23:40It's not about the genre of the novel.
23:42That's right.
23:44That's a complex.
23:46I have to make you think I'm good at it.
24:21I thought I was good at it.
24:23It was so quiet that everyone couldn't see me.
24:26I thought I was good at it.