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00:00We're four best friends who grew up in small towns where it's not always easy being queer
00:04My name is Faye, and I am an actor who loves fishing. I'm SJ. I'm a creative director, and I love nature
00:10I'm Vic. I'm a designer and I love to fish. I'm Emma. I'm a designer who loves being near water
00:18Fishing is our safe space together
00:20We don't often see a lot of women fishing
00:23It makes you wonder who else isn't been included
00:26So when we got the chance to go to Ontario, Canada to fish with some amazing people
00:34Hi, my name is Ken. I am Dave. I'm Crankalini. Christine. I'm Emily O'Brien. My name is Lisa. Hey, I'm Demetria and today
00:41We're gonna be fly-fishing out here on the Madawaska River. I'm an everyday angler in Ontario
00:45I'm also a science teacher. As people get more blind the harder it is to get out
00:51I've been an addiction counselor for 10 years now. I welcome you guys to come fish with me today
01:00When you're out in a canoe you are using indigenous technology that is thousands of years old
01:07Like most people I grew up never thinking I would end up in prison. We're going out after the elusive muskellunge. Lucky Lisa, let's go
01:18Let's go fishing
01:21Yeah
01:23We packed our bags for a cozy cabin in the woods. We couldn't pass up the chance to get hooked
01:36We've been friends for so long we're more like siblings really
01:41We've been through a lot together
01:43You know, we can sometimes get a bit competitive. We all do it from time to time. Let's face it
01:49We push each other and tease each other
01:52But I'd say fishing's a place where we always end up working together and helping each other out
02:03We treated ourselves to a night in one of Canada's most historic hotels built along the Great Canadian Railway line
02:09Today, we're off to a secret spot to fish for muskellunge
02:13Stick a fresh tape in that camcorder
02:19What do you make of it first?
02:23Fresh air and lots of space
02:27Yeah, just what is needed. Just what the doctor ordered darling. I agree
02:32So Emma, musket fishing?
02:35I'm actually so excited to go, you know. Have you ever been? No, never never even heard of them before and also I've heard they're huge
02:44So Jane? Yes? How are you feeling about musket fishing? I'm feeling very excited. Do you think you're gonna get one?
02:50I do feel very positive about catching a musket, yeah. I feel like a muskie might be my kind of fish.
02:56There, it gives a smile
02:58A
03:09Special guest is joining us today who knows a thing or two about the patience we're gonna need
03:15I'm Emily O'Brien and I am CEO of Comeback Snacks popcorn company, which I started in federal prison
03:21Fishing makes me feel really grateful to be where I am today
03:24Today
03:26The mist is hiding our top secret fishing location on the Ottawa River also known as Kitchissippi on unseeded Algonquin territory
03:38Our amazing guide today is one of the few female muskie guides in Ontario
03:43Hello, hi, how are you? Good, how are you doing?
03:48Thank you for having us
03:50Happy to have you guys. Hi guys. My name is Lisa. I'm really looking forward to guiding you today
03:55We're going out after the elusive muskie or muskellunge. Muskie are a super elusive fish. They call them the fish of 10,000 casts
04:02So we're gonna work hard and hopefully they're gonna cooperate today. Slightly terrified, Lisa, I'm not going to lie.
04:07I feel like you're sweating under the pressure today. The adults have between five and seven hundred teeth in their mouth
04:12No
04:14Muskellunge or muskie for short are predatory freshwater fish that live mainly in large rivers in eastern North America
04:21They range from 28 to 48 inches in length and weigh 5 to 36 pounds
04:28However, some muskie reach up to 6 feet and almost 70 pounds
04:34Muskie are ambush predators and have been known to eat rodents and birds
04:38You can fish for muskie for over 24 hours and not get a single bite
04:47When is the last time you caught a muskie?
04:50Two days ago. I had a day off yesterday. So that was exciting
04:53I've been working about six days a week throughout the season. So how big was it?
04:58We didn't measure that one. But big enough? Big enough. And they're massive then, they're like really big. They can get very big
05:04Yeah, so the special mark when you're going after muskie is 50 inches
05:09Once you're in that that club, they call it the 50 inch club. Okay. Are you in that club? I am
05:18Biggest one you caught? My biggest fish was 52 inches long at 22 inches around. Wow
05:23So Lisa, is there any special technique that we'll be using when we're fishing for muskie?
05:28We use really heavy gear designed specifically for these fish
05:31They can be sensitive to angling so we do everything we can to make sure we look after them when the fights not long
05:35Yeah, they're specifically designed to get the muskies in quickly. So you don't overstress them when you're angling them
05:40Yeah, heavy braid. We're using big big lures very physically demanding casting these lures all day
05:46We're probably mixing a little bit of trolling as well. Just we get some breaks
05:51The basic gear we're using to target these hungry muskie are extra heavy rods
05:57super strong line and leader
06:00Blade bit a large net and hook cutters
06:11So do you take many women muskie fishing Lisa not a lot
06:15No, this is probably gonna set some kind of record for women muskie fishing
06:29It's amazing, I love it
06:31Oh
06:58So we're gonna start with bait casting 101
07:01People get intimidated by these rules, but they're really just very simple as long as you remember your thumb controls everything
07:07So you literally press the button put your thumb on the top of the spool and you're ready to cast
07:13Your other hand comes all the way to the back and we overhand cast we do that for two reasons
07:18first and foremost these
07:19Lures and rods and reels and equipment is super heavy and you want to use the leverage of the rod to chuck the lure not
07:25Your body so you don't want to physically
07:27Wear yourself out let the rod load up. Yeah and fling the lure with the rod
07:32Okay, the other reason that we overhand cast like this one if you make a mistake
07:37No big deal. The lure just slams here in front as long as you put your thumb down first. Yeah, right
07:42Because if you side cast and it goes wrong
07:46Yeah, someone's getting a piercing they don't
07:48So super super important, especially with four people casting in the boat today. We need to be very aware of our rods
07:54So again, very simple button some hand to the back load the rod up fling the lure with the rod
08:02See how lure went soon as I hit the water it took off
08:04Yeah, yeah
08:05So muskies are super aggressive and if something hits the water and takes off near them
08:08You can often get a reaction strike right away
08:10The other place that we get 30% of our eats is right here at the side of the boat
08:15So it's super super important that every single cash we call it finishing your cast
08:19You have to circle every single time even if you don't see a fish come in
08:23Someone's finished like that. Yeah, sometimes one will shoot right up underneath the boat. Maybe it follows in someone else's lure
08:29Every single cast you do your your figure eight. Yeah. Okay, so a figure eight is essentially two small circles
08:35Ah with the tip of the rod in the water
08:37But the important part is that your circles are as wide as possible
08:41Because you've got to think about a fish this big trying to follow it and eat it
08:45Yeah
08:45the first time you see that big head coming behind your bait the hard part is to not go fish and point or slow down and
08:53I've seen it all
08:55But if you slow down at all that fish is just gonna go away
08:58It's not natural for them if it speeds up and turns
09:01Which is what happens here in the first turn of your circle when that lure turns and speeds up and often hit right there
09:07Right because they're following it deciding am I gonna eat you or not?
09:09And if it tries to get away, they usually react right at that moment
09:12Now if a fish hits here at the side of the boat with an inch of line out, it's pretty crazy
09:17So what I need you to do is plunge your rod down into the water when after you've got your hook set
09:23Because we do not want to even lift the rod this much because the fish will be thrashing wildly on the surface and we'll probably
09:29Get off. Yeah
09:31Have you ever fallen in Lisa? I have not
09:35Not yet
09:38So the most important thing when you get your chance today is your hook set
09:43I need you to try and break my fishing rod with your hook set
09:46You know Serena Williams when she hit the tennis ball and she makes that noise. Yeah, I want to hear you
09:55And the other really important thing with your hook set is to not set your hook up in the air
10:00Yeah, I've seen big fish actually straighten hooks that rather than penetrate the top of the mouth. The mouth is all cartilage
10:07So that's why it's super important
10:08Your rod is pointed to your lure and I want you to try and go to the side as hard as you can
10:12Okay, and for that reason too once the fish is hooked
10:15We don't want to be fighting it with the rod up in the air
10:17We won't keep it
10:18But the key is to keep tension on the rod at all times
10:21You want to keep that rod bent you do not want to give them any slack at all
10:24Otherwise, I'll take off and make your life hell though. Yeah, but if you slack line them, they're gonna get off
10:29So, all right, if you're you know, we're fishing for a couple of chances a day. Yeah
10:33Yeah, so all those little details matter. Yeah, and honestly sometimes even if you do everything, right?
10:37They're still gonna shake and get off. Yeah
10:40This is gonna be fun because one of my favorite things about fishing is casting. Yeah
10:45That's my favorite part of it. Mine's so relaxing anticipation of the bite for me. No, I can't wait for that
10:52Oh
11:04We're gonna have two people up here so one is gonna be here and one here
11:09There's also a weed edge on this side. So both sides are good. You're just gonna keep working out here
11:13You're
11:17Also, all right, thank you, that's the hard part is keeping your thumb on
11:27Good it's going well everyone and then the most important thing is to follow through, right?
11:35Think of it like you're holding the reel. Okay, all your fingers are here and then your palms here. Okay, so your rod goes back
11:41Yeah, and then you're good, oh go on Lily
11:48Lucky Lisa, let's go counting on you
11:55Nice one SJ nice and steady. Yep like that. That's perfect. Yep. Same with the circle as well. Yeah
12:02Oh
12:04Perfect where you see it there. Oh, yeah go on M strut it in go on launch go on loss
12:12Yes, mate right on top of it. What's it there? There's something
12:20That first one class, isn't it
12:24Yes, now we just go to a big nice big wide circle how many casts you think we're on so
12:31We've not done our 10,000 yet, man
12:36What's the most important quality we should have when we're fishing for musky you have to be stubborn
12:44Get out you have to have perseverance
12:47But it's a workout in it. It really works on your shoulders. You have to have a never quit mentality
12:53I'm starving already. The other thing that's super important. I think is to have a sense of humor. I
12:59I
13:00Think we took a few of those boxes. You just got to appreciate being out here and enjoying the view
13:05Yeah, I think I got a pretty nice office. Yeah, it's not bad. I'd I'd swap you for mine
13:23Get out there
13:25All right, we're gonna slowly start to move down the weed line here now
13:28Yeah
13:54Beautifully I reckon it
13:58I
14:05How many times have we gone fishing where we've not got anything we've got to be very patient all mine
14:11Can you remember so many?
14:13But I quite enjoy like I quite enjoy just casting and like seeing what happens
14:20So peaceful. I think we're sort of also from a generation where patience isn't really a
14:26Thing either is it, you know, like everyone wants it now and fast like
14:31Exactly and it's a nice way of practice
14:35You know, I think it's a good old life lesson as well. You don't always get what you want straight away. Yeah
14:45That's halfway to Quebec
14:48Emily yeah
14:51Obviously, I know a bit about your story, but I've been like wanting to ask you about you know your experience
14:58with sort of
15:00perseverance and how you managed to sort of
15:03Turn your life around and be patient and sort of believe in yourself
15:07I mean like most people I didn't ever expect to end up in prison. Nope, but I was
15:1325 years old and I got arrested and for importing narcotics into Canada
15:18And this is just a culmination of like bad substances bad environment bad people
15:22Yeah, and there I was like I had to serve four years in prison
15:27Wow, and I spent so long being mad and being mad was just dragging it on longer and longer
15:33Yeah, and it was killing me
15:35But once I decided to stop be be mad and realize, you know
15:38Something really good can come out of this everything kind of changed and turned around with the Canadian system
15:45Serve a third of it inside and then the rest is on parole
15:49So, okay, I'm only gonna be in for a year people go on sabbaticals for a year all the time
15:53They go to rehab they go to school
15:54And so I saw going to prison as going to school going to rehab
16:00Getting an education obviously being in prison
16:02And so I once I did that reframing it was having that patience that really helped me develop the new mindset
16:08How long did you find it took for your mindset to sort of change?
16:14and sort of like to
16:17Like be patient with it. I was on house arrest for two and a half years
16:20So I had to go through the court case. This was in when like I was very very mad
16:26And I but I just got really tired of being mad and having that
16:29That energy being taken away from me from the person that I knew that I was
16:33Yeah, and actually when I was on house arrest, I'd go up to my cottage with my mom
16:37But that was where I kind of grew up fishing. Yeah
16:40Yeah from when I was a kid and with my grandpa and everything and he was 88 at the time
16:46he still loved going to the cottage and me and him would go fishing much like we did when I was a child and
16:51You know, I never caught a catfish my whole life
16:53And then one of the days I was fishing with my grandpa and caught my first catfish
16:57That was the last fish he ever saw me catch but being up there reminded me how important family is how loving they can be
17:03And I waited, you know, I thought I'd never catch the catfish but that day I did
17:10And she's lost it
17:12Oh no! Oh my god!
17:14Was that a musky?
17:16Yes!
17:18What was that? I don't think that was a musky. I think it was a pike but yeah
17:20Wow!
17:22Did you get that on camera?
17:26So your company then it it helps people who have been
17:32Incarcerated be given a sort of second chance and get back into work. Is that right? Yeah
17:36Yeah, I knew that I could turn this around and when I got to prison
17:39I believed in everyone else there. So Comeback Snacks my popcorn company, which I started in prison
17:45Hires the formerly incarcerated and you know works to fight the stigma and it all came from you know
17:50Being patient and really trying to learn how you got yourself there and how you're gonna get make things better
17:55Yeah, I knew that this was this was my my shot and ended up making it a shot for like other people too because yeah
18:02You're in there as a community and you want to get out as a community. Yeah
18:05That's amazing and you're still close with and and work with people that you were in prison with yeah
18:11Yeah, not like everyone but like there's like five or six of them for sure
18:14Yeah, that's nice and then new people that I've met along the way
18:18Yeah, and it's just growing so much and that's something that I call emotional profit and the money for the soul, right?
18:24It's like what makes you want to continue to do what you do. Yeah, you have to find that source of joy
18:29That's gorgeous. Yeah
18:31Do you feel like the experience of being sent to prison for that length of time
18:37Actually like sort of changed your life for the better, even though you know when people hear prison they think like, oh my god
18:43How am I gonna get through this? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely
18:47How do you sort of feel in life now today? I know it's a big question
18:52But I think one of my things prior was that like when I wasn't very much like living in the present
18:58Mm-hmm. I would be like constantly looking forward and it just I think it when you don't ground yourself and you don't focus on the
19:06Present. I think you can come very frustrated. Yeah quickly
19:09How have you found that mentality helps now and how you sort of feel?
19:13Um, cuz I found by just a wishing for the next thing
19:15That's how you wish your life away and you should never wish your life away
19:19Yeah, I found that when I was in prison like every day something awesome happened because I I was there I was living
19:26Right, I wasn't distracted by like my phone and so now like doesn't have a phone
19:30So when I come out, it's like you like to just focus on things and severing the tether to technology is like huge thing
19:35Yeah, I agree
19:42Well, let's you can't win them all can you
19:46Genuinely thought we'd have beginners look there
19:49Did you say you usually take people off two days Lisa? Yeah, I mean this sportsman think we've done
19:56All right guys ready, yep
20:01That was wonderful for this lovely view
20:16The best things in life take time to grow
20:20They take patience
20:23We've challenged each other over the years
20:27But we've given each other time and space to grow
20:31We'll always be in this boat together
20:41We didn't want to get off the boat, but at least we had a cozy cabin waiting another stunning photo for the wall I
20:49I
20:51Wish we had a couple more days in the boat with them and Lisa me too, man
20:58Next time on get hooked
21:01It's called fishing not catching but I am gonna catch if it's the last thing I do
21:08Luckily, we've got Bowmanville Creek on the books with Ken
21:11That's the thing about fishing with these lots haven't even packed the car up yet and we've planned the next trip
21:17Next stop Bowmanville Creek
21:20Get hooked is created by Heidi Lynch and Leah Blemix directed by Leah Blemix and produced by Heidi Lynch
21:27Cinematography by Cameron Roden get hooked is produced by bone ball Inc in association with AMI and out TV
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