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00:00Continuing from the last episode, we will continue with the opening from inside the company.
00:05We are now heading to meet Mr. Tsurube.
00:11We have invited a person whom we have been thinking about for a long time.
00:15Rather than an invitation, we are going there.
00:18He is a person who has a rare job.
00:21He is a swordsmith.
00:23A swordsmith?
00:25He makes Japanese swords.
00:28His name is Mr. Kawachi Kunihira.
00:31He has been a swordsmith for generations.
00:37But he once lost his job when he was a father.
00:40His son, Mr. Kawachi, was thinking of quitting because he had no future as a swordsmith.
00:47But many things happened.
00:49He decided to become a swordsmith himself.
00:53He became a disciple.
00:55He became a disciple?
00:57Yes, he became a disciple of a swordsmith.
01:02He became independent.
01:04Now, he has his own workshop in the mountains of Nara.
01:07He has a disciple.
01:09He is making swords.
01:11He graduated from a university in Osaka.
01:15He is from Osaka.
01:17He is from Osaka?
01:19Yes, he is from Osaka.
01:21He lives in Nara.
01:23When I first met him, I thought he was a good talker.
01:28He is a cheerful person.
01:30Where did you meet him?
01:31Me?
01:33Where was it?
01:35Are you OK?
01:37I met him at a party in Kanazawa.
01:40I said, this looks delicious.
01:42He said, really?
01:44I said, let's try this.
01:46We got along well.
01:48I said, let's go for another drink.
01:50We went to a bar and talked.
01:52He didn't know anything about me.
01:54I didn't know anything about him either.
01:56We said, see you later.
01:58We got along well.
02:00After that, we met and went to a bar.
02:04That's how you got along with him?
02:06Yes, we got along well.
02:08I went to his workshop once.
02:10How long has it been since you met him?
02:12It's been a while since I met him.
02:16I think it's been 7 or 8 years.
02:18What?
02:19I think it's been 7 years.
02:21That's a long time.
02:23I've been busy.
02:25I call him often.
02:27I say, how are you?
02:31The car with the two of them
02:33heads towards Nara's Yoshino.
02:38Anyway, it takes an hour and a half
02:40to climb the mountain road.
02:46We've come a long way.
02:48Was it this far?
02:50You brought me here.
02:52When I came here 9 years ago,
02:54was it this far?
02:56Your wife is here.
02:58No?
03:00It's been a while.
03:02We've finally arrived.
03:04She's not your wife, is she?
03:06She's Mr. Kunihiro Kawachi's wife.
03:08She's young.
03:10Mr. Kunihiro Kawachi is over 80 years old, right?
03:14I'm the same age as Mr. Tsurube.
03:16Of course.
03:18She's two years older than Mr. Kawachi.
03:20Thank you for the flowers at the exhibition the other day.
03:23No problem.
03:24I'm sorry about the flowers.
03:26She couldn't make it.
03:27It was my first time.
03:29Is that so?
03:30Thank you very much.
03:32You're welcome.
03:33We've come this far.
03:36How long does it take to get here?
03:39It takes about 30 minutes by car.
03:42Where's the bathhouse?
03:44There's a hot spring there.
03:46There's a hot spring.
03:48I have a bath, so I'll stay at home.
03:50I'll leave it to you.
03:52Where's the main character?
03:54Please wait.
03:56She's tired of waiting.
03:58She's tired of waiting.
04:00She's tired of waiting.
04:04I like the atmosphere here.
04:06Where's the main character?
04:08She's at work.
04:10She's at work.
04:12I'm going in.
04:14It might be pitch black inside.
04:16Oh, really?
04:17You should put this on.
04:19Ms. Kunihira is in the middle of a masterpiece.
04:27The black curtains are closed during the day.
04:30It's a very special atmosphere.
04:34Can you explain this?
04:36If you look here,
04:38it opens like this.
04:42This way.
04:44That person.
04:52Who's that?
04:54It's a monk.
04:58Is that charcoal?
05:01Yes, it's charcoal.
05:04Charcoal is important.
05:07Charcoal is important.
05:10Why?
05:12Charcoal is important.
05:16Charcoal.
05:29I'll put it out over there.
05:32Ms. Kawachi silently faces the flames.
05:37What's going to happen?
05:48Tsurube and Agawa are nervous as usual.
06:07And then...
06:15Here it comes.
06:37What's going to happen?
06:39I'm scared.
06:41I'm scared.
06:44Here it comes.
06:48Here it comes.
07:06What's going to happen?
07:13I'm scared.
07:36Hello.
07:42Here it comes.
07:48Here it comes.
08:06What's going to happen?
08:21Here it comes.
08:27Here it comes.
08:33Here it comes.
08:37It's hot.
08:59What are you doing?
09:02It's hot.
09:14It's amazing.
09:16It's hot.
09:23It's very hot.
09:28There's charcoal in here.
09:31It's very hot.
09:47What is that?
09:49What is that?
09:51What is that?
10:01Tsurube and Sawako.
10:04Two strange people.
10:12Can I open it?
10:15It's hot.
10:17It's hot.
10:23Hello.
10:25I'm Tsurube.
10:27I'm Tsurube.
10:29Nice to meet you.
10:31Your face is red.
10:33How long have you been doing this?
10:36Since this morning.
10:38Yoshino has been taking care of his family's lands.
10:41He's 83 years old.
10:43He makes his own sword in the silence.
10:46He's Mr. Kunihira Kawachi.
10:48He's 83 years old.
10:50He's a legend not only in Japan but also around the world.
10:57When I struck the sword,
10:59the mushroom came in here.
11:02It was a stroke of luck.
11:04It was a stroke of luck.
11:07Your wife is bad at this.
11:10It was a stroke of luck.
11:12It was a stroke of luck.
11:14It was very hot.
11:17I wanted you to hit me.
11:20Can I?
11:21No, you can't.
11:22How hot is it?
11:24It's about 1,400 to 1,500 degrees.
11:27It's that hot?
11:29It's the hottest.
11:31What is he doing?
11:35It's really heavy.
11:37It's like a square.
11:39It's heavy, isn't it?
11:41Hold this.
11:44This is for you.
11:46This is as far as it goes.
11:48It's broken because it's hit.
11:51A tall person would get hit.
11:54Have you ever hit your master's hand?
11:57No.
11:58Of course not.
12:00I usually hit with three people.
12:03Three people?
12:04Ton, Ten, Kan.
12:05Ton, Ten, Kan.
12:06What's your name?
12:08My name is Kaneda Kunizane.
12:11Kaneda Kunizane.
12:13That's my name.
12:15Were there three of you?
12:17When I was hit,
12:19there was one more person.
12:22I'm 89 years old now,
12:24and I'm worried about my master.
12:26How many years has it been?
12:28It's been 10 years.
12:30It's been 10 years.
12:32Did he come back?
12:34Yes, I asked him to come back.
12:36He lives in the prefecture.
12:38How many disciples did you have?
12:40I had about 50 disciples.
12:4350?
12:44Yes, but I had 7 disciples.
12:48I was the 7th disciple.
12:50That's right.
12:53Why didn't you quit?
12:56That's right.
12:58I've always been a bad person.
13:02I shouldn't have done that.
13:05I should have done something else.
13:08There's a kind of blacksmith.
13:11Making a sword requires a blacksmith,
13:15a carpenter, and a blacksmith.
13:19That's how it used to be in the past.
13:23I don't think it's a difficult job.
13:26It takes 10 years to make a good sword.
13:33That's right.
13:35If I had 3 years of work, I would have learned it.
13:38You don't have to learn it.
13:40I don't know what to do after that.
13:42When I first met you,
13:44I thought you'd be in trouble
13:47because there's no one to help you.
13:49But that's not true.
13:51I'll do my best.
13:53I know you want to do it.
13:56Why did you want to do it?
13:58I read a book about the yakata.
14:01I learned about the world of sword making.
14:05I was attracted to the yakata's personality.
14:09Can I give you something?
14:13I'm going to take this home.
14:17I don't think people like you would quit.
14:20I don't think people like me would quit.
14:26I don't think people like me would quit.
14:31Didn't you want to quit?
14:33I didn't.
14:35What kept you going?
14:39I don't know.
14:41I don't know.
14:43It's right that you don't know.
14:46You don't know.
14:48People don't know.
14:50You don't know.
14:52But it's good that you kept going.
14:56It's good.
14:58You're number one all over the country this year.
15:01You won the Takamatsu Nomiyoshi Award.
15:05This is just the beginning.
15:07That's right.
15:09This is just the beginning.
15:12I'm still in my 30s.
15:14I'm 35 now.
15:16It's encouraging.
15:19It's easy for people to understand.
15:23It's encouraging, but it's just the beginning.
15:26Even though you're over 80, do you still do heavy work?
15:31It's normal. It's not a big job.
15:34It's not a big job.
15:36You're a blacksmith.
15:38Blacksmithing and carpentry are normal jobs.
15:41But it's normal for a blacksmith to make a sword.
15:48It's normal for a blacksmith to make a sword.
15:53You have to make a good sword.
15:55It's a sword from the Kamakura period.
15:58It's boring to compete with modern swordsmiths.
16:02There's still a famous sword left.
16:04That's your opponent.
16:06You want to surpass that.
16:08If you make a sword and leave it as a famous sword,
16:12it's not fair.
16:14It's hard work.
16:16If you make a sword and leave it as a famous sword,
16:19other people will say it's better.
16:23Is a famous sword said when it's finished?
16:27No, it's not.
16:29It's said after the Meiji War.
16:31It's said after the Meiji War.
16:35I see.
16:37It's said to protect.
16:39It's not said after the Meiji War.
16:41It's not said after the Meiji War.
16:43It's not said after the Meiji War.
16:47So you don't think it's a big deal?
16:51There are many better swords on the street.
16:54I see.
16:56I think it's better.
16:58But if you make a sword that Nobunaga or Hideyoshi made,
17:02it's different.
17:04There are rumors that it was passed down from the Shimazu family or the Maeda family.
17:11That's not true now.
17:14I don't know if it's true,
17:18but there are rumors that it's a great deal.
17:22That's not true.
17:24If Tsuruya-san had it, wouldn't it be expensive?
17:26No, it wouldn't.
17:28Tsuruya-san will buy it.
17:30No, no.
17:32If Tsuruya-san had it, wouldn't it be expensive?
17:35No, I don't think so.
17:37In the old days, it was a practical item.
17:40Now, people don't use swords.
17:44But there is a demand for it.
17:47It's strange.
17:48This is amazing.
17:50A sword is not just a sword.
17:52It has mental power,
17:54and it has electricity.
17:55In short, something that shines has faith.
17:58Does it have faith?
18:00Takamatsu, Kagami, and katana are in the first generation, right?
18:04That's all.
18:06So it has a positive side.
18:08I'm still making it.
18:10I've been training for 10 years.
18:12What am I doing?
18:14What are you doing?
18:18Even if Takamatsu-san says it's good,
18:20it's not good if it's just once.
18:22If you keep doing it, you'll be able to do it.
18:24If you do it once, you'll be lucky.
18:28So it's not good if it's just once?
18:30No, not at all.
18:31Of course, I'll teach you.
18:33No, I won't.
18:35I'll teach you.
18:37It's possible.
18:39Even if you win the rookie award,
18:41your grades won't improve later.
18:43But it has a spirit.
18:45You have to have the spirit to continue.
18:49I'm not listening to the law.
18:52After this, Kawachi-san and Tsurube's exchange.
18:57You haven't seen my TV, have you?
18:59No, I haven't.
19:03Do I look like him?
19:06Don't call me that.
19:08I look like him.
19:10I'd look worse if I had a beard.
19:17Yoshino of Nara continues to make katana.
19:21Yoshino has been friends with Agawa for about 30 years.
19:25Kawachi Kunihira-san.
19:33You're 83 years old?
19:35I'm already 84.
19:37That means you're 20 years older than me.
19:40Really?
19:42You're 20 years older than me.
19:44I'm 73 years old, but I'm turning 40 this year.
19:48So you're the same age as me.
19:51I'm 20 years older than you.
19:56How about you?
19:58I'm getting old.
20:00I'm a young man.
20:03Because you're a young man.
20:05So you thought I was a young man.
20:07I'm 10 years older than you.
20:09I'm the same age as my wife.
20:11You're a rabbit.
20:13Yes, I'm a rabbit.
20:15I'd like to cut to the chase.
20:18I met Kawachi-san about 30 years ago.
20:22I thought we'd get along.
20:25No, we don't get along.
20:27We joke a lot.
20:29You're always joking.
20:31I'm grateful.
20:33I don't lose to you.
20:35I'm a joker.
20:37Why are you a joker?
20:39Because I have a beard.
20:41You're a joker.
20:43You have a beard.
20:45I don't have a beard.
20:48You're popular.
20:50Of course I am.
20:52You're popular.
20:54Where did your father make his sword?
20:59I'm a swordsmith.
21:01I'm from the beginning of Edo.
21:03The beginning of Edo?
21:05I'm from the beginning of Edo.
21:08I don't know.
21:10What generation are you?
21:12My father is the 14th generation.
21:14I'm the 15th generation.
21:17Do you have a son?
21:20I have a son.
21:22He's in Nagano.
21:24He's in Nagano.
21:26My son is the 15th generation.
21:28I'm the 16th generation.
21:30My father is the 14th generation.
21:32I'm the 15th generation.
21:34I'm the 16th generation.
21:36You're not joking.
21:38You didn't have a successor, did you?
21:41My father said he wouldn't come.
21:44After the war, the commander of the Weapon Manufacturing Bureau came out.
21:47He was angry when I made a sword.
21:49He said he wouldn't come.
21:51What did you want to be?
21:53I went to the Law Department.
21:55I went to the Law Department.
21:57The Law Department of the Kandai University?
21:59It's very difficult.
22:01It's very difficult even in the Kandai University.
22:03You were a champion.
22:05I was a champion.
22:07I was a champion.
22:09I went to a high school near here.
22:11I went to Ueno Miya High School.
22:14I was a champion.
22:16Why did you decide to become a swordsman?
22:20It doesn't matter.
22:22We're going to talk about a lot of things.
22:24Please don't ask me about the law.
22:27Who's going to ask you?
22:29I have an eye for people.
22:31If it's this person, it's the law.
22:37I don't even look like a craftsman.
22:41I don't even look like a craftsman.
22:43If you speak with a craftsman,
22:45you might be scolded.
22:47I'm a little bit of a liar.
22:51I'm 80 years old.
22:53You're 20 years older?
22:55I'm 10 years older.
22:57I'm a liar to those thinking I'm 10 years older.
22:59I'm sorry.
23:01I'm such a funny person.
23:03Actually,
23:05Mr. Kawachi
23:07I didn't know this, but Kaneda was clumsy, not only left-handed, but also right-handed.
23:13He's still clumsy. He's better than his students.
23:16Kaneda is clumsy, isn't he?
23:19That's what I'm worried about.
23:22He's clumsy, so he doesn't want to lose to his students.
23:30He doesn't want to lose to his students, so he tries to be clumsy.
23:35A long time ago, I met Mr. Sakai, the 14th generation of Aritayaki.
23:43Mr. Sakata? Mr. Sakai?
23:45I don't know.
23:47I met him when I was in the 14th generation of Aritayaki.
23:50At that time, I asked him what kind of person he was suitable for as a disciple.
24:00He said he was clumsy.
24:03I thought it wouldn't be helpful for a clumsy person to draw such a delicate picture.
24:12But he said it wasn't.
24:14A clumsy person can easily see, so his eyes and heart can be seen.
24:18But a clumsy person can't do it, so he can't do it in an instant.
24:23I thought it was the same as being told that if you keep doing it for 10 years, you'll be good at it.
24:29I have a friend who is good at it.
24:32He can cook, and he can do anything.
24:36Sometimes he goes to Yokohama.
24:38I thought I shouldn't do that.
24:40What couldn't you do?
24:42I couldn't do anything.
24:43First of all, I don't know how to exercise.
24:45You can't exercise?
24:46I don't know music.
24:47You don't know?
24:48And I don't drink alcohol.
24:49You don't drink alcohol at all?
24:50So I don't know how to use it.
24:54You don't like Bakuchi?
24:56I have a calculator.
24:59How did you decide to study law?
25:01I'm not good at math.
25:03The law department in Kandai has a good employment rate.
25:08Oh, that's right.
25:09It's said that the law department in Kandai has a good employment rate.
25:11So I went.
25:12I didn't go because I liked the law.
25:14You wanted to get a job.
25:15I didn't want to get a job.
25:16My father is a blacksmith.
25:19He's a craftsman.
25:20My father hoped that he could get a job in a bank.
25:30He wanted to start a business that he didn't know about.
25:32That was his wish.
25:35If I had such a wish, I wouldn't have become like this.
25:38I wouldn't have become like this.
25:41I wouldn't have become like this.
25:45I look a lot like him.
25:49He told me.
25:50I looked like him.
25:52He said I looked like him.
25:54I changed my glasses.
25:57What are you doing?
25:59Do I look like him?
26:01He called me that.
26:03I look like him.
26:05I said it.
26:06Put your glasses on.
26:08Do I have to put my glasses on?
26:09They're Kawachi's glasses.
26:10I don't look like Tsuruga.
26:13I look like Kawachi.
26:16You do look like him.
26:18Really.
26:19Do I look like him?
26:20If you put on your gloves, you do.
26:23My gloves?
26:25Yes.
26:26I look like him.
26:31You do look like him.
26:33It would be bad to go that far.
26:37You're a coward.
26:39I'm not a coward.
26:40I'm not a coward.
26:43Like this?
26:44That's too much, isn't it?
26:45Yes, too much.
26:46This much.
26:47Okay.
26:48Let's change seats.
26:49What are you doing?
26:52I'm playing with you.
26:55What are you doing here?
26:58You're a craftsman.
27:01You should be more quiet.
27:02That's right.
27:03You're a craftsman.
27:04You should be more agitated.
27:07Other people should be agitated.
27:10I see.
27:12I'm agitated, so it's complicated.
27:15Does it look like me?
27:16But, you know...
27:17Give me back my glasses.
27:19Your glasses have changed.
27:21Oh, right.
27:22My glasses have changed.
27:24As for my work,
27:26I'm really good at drawing.
27:28How?
27:29I drew this myself.
27:31You're very good.
27:33I'm not good.
27:34You're very good.
27:35I can do it, I can do it, I can do it, I can do it, I can do it, I can do it.
27:38I can definitely do it.
27:41You should never think that you can't do it.
27:43No matter what you do.
27:45You have to go with this.
27:47If you think you can't do it, you'll get angry.
27:49That's all there is to it.
27:50At first, I draw in big letters.
27:52I tell my apprentice to do this.
27:54I say it in a loud voice.
27:55After a few times, it becomes a small voice.
27:58If I say, make it louder, it becomes a loud voice.
28:01At the end, I get angry and say,
28:03you can definitely do it in a loud voice.
28:05That's good.
28:06You can do it, you can do it, you can do it.
28:08I never say I can't do it.
28:10I don't have that kind of word in my heart.
28:12Do you ever feel anxious?
28:14Anxiety?
28:15I can't do anything else.
28:17I can't do anything else.
28:19I'm sorry to say this,
28:21but that's what I say, too.
28:23It's a different path,
28:25but it's the same as a craftsman
28:27who has his apprentice
28:29and follows his own path.
28:31Well, that's true.
28:33Even if you're a boss,
28:35you can't say,
28:38I'm a left-handed person.
28:40When you were a swordsman,
28:42you came to a mansion that wasn't your father's.
28:45Yes, yes.
28:46I met this person,
28:48Shouhei Miyairi.
28:49Oh, that person.
28:50I liked this person.
28:52Oh, yeah.
28:53So when I was in the fleet,
28:55I was a gunman.
28:57I was a young man.
28:59At the end, I told the students,
29:01it's okay to look for a job,
29:03but you should look for a human being.
29:05I keep saying that.
29:08It's a matter of life and death.
29:10Because you can't find a human being.
29:12It's much more fun.
29:14The next job is the next one.
29:16It's really like that.
29:18If you chase people,
29:20you can do it properly.
29:22I was really scared.
29:24I was scared.
29:26But even if you were scared,
29:28you didn't hate it.
29:30I liked it.
29:32I decided to follow this person.
29:34If you think you like this person,
29:37it's okay.
29:39It doesn't matter who it is.
29:41When I first met him,
29:43I thought he was making a great Japanese sword,
29:45but I thought it would be over
29:47with just one sword
29:49or I would have to close the shop
29:51and there would be no demand.
29:53But it wasn't like that.
29:55Even if I left my apprentice,
29:57he would come and buy it.
29:59I was surprised by that.
30:01It's not like it's in the mountains.
30:03If you make a good sword, it will sell.
30:05Japanese people want swords.
30:07There are so many people who want swords.
30:09Even now?
30:11Yes, even now.
30:13It doesn't come to me.
30:15It comes to the sword.
30:17That's how it is.
30:19I don't really care
30:21how many generations
30:23I've been asked about.
30:25If I was born there,
30:27I wouldn't care.
30:29If I was born there,
30:31I would be proud of it.
30:34You don't care about that?
30:36That's a mistake.
30:38I'm not happy
30:40with the number of generations
30:42I've been asked about.
30:46Even if it's a job?
30:48I don't care.
30:50If you're making something,
30:52it's just a matter of whether it's good.
30:54If it's a story,
30:56it's just a matter of how good it is.
30:58It doesn't matter if it's the second generation
31:00or the fifth generation or the 26th generation.
31:03You shouldn't get caught up in that.
31:05I see.
31:07You shouldn't get caught up in that.
31:09It's not real.
31:11Where do you get your orders from?
31:13Where do I get my orders from?
31:15I don't really care.
31:17They sell on their own.
31:19In the past,
31:21a lot of Hollywood stars
31:23ordered from you.
31:25I don't know.
31:27I don't really care
31:29where the swords are sold.
31:31A Hollywood star
31:33really wanted your swords.
31:35I don't know who he is.
31:37What?
31:39Steven Seagal.
31:41He's a Japanese star.
31:43He's a Japanese star.
31:45He's a martial artist.
31:47He refused
31:49to order from you.
31:51He was a big shot.
31:53He was scared.
31:55He was scared.
31:57He was this far away from me.
32:00So you came to see him.
32:02You met him in person.
32:04I made a big one,
32:06but he said he didn't like it.
32:08He asked me to make a longer one.
32:10A longer one?
32:12But I haven't done it yet.
32:14I don't really care.
32:16When did he order?
32:18A few years ago.
32:20About 4 years ago.
32:22He really doesn't know
32:24about the world.
32:26He knew about me.
32:29You look like him.
32:31You look like him.
32:33You look like him.
32:35You look like him.
32:37You look like him.
32:39Mr. Kawachi
32:41will show us
32:43a Japanese sword he made.
32:47This is a sword
32:49made by Mr. Dozen Ueno
32:51from Tokyo.
32:53Wow!
32:55Wow!
32:58I didn't expect
33:00to make something
33:02like this.
33:04What is this?
33:06It's called a hamon.
33:08There are many different
33:10forms of this.
33:12It's difficult.
33:14You have to make it
33:16to understand it.
33:18It's amazing.
33:20I had this painted
33:22recently.
33:24I just finished it today.
33:26It was damaged.
33:28Was it Wajima?
33:30But he didn't give up
33:32and made it.
33:34Wow!
33:36You were confident
33:38when you made it.
33:40Yes, I was confident.
33:42My house was destroyed
33:44but I didn't lose
33:46my brush.
33:48I kept trying.
33:50How long did it take?
33:52About 2 years.
33:55It's raining now.
33:57You made it
33:59in such a hurry.
34:01Yes, I did.
34:03I finished it around 10 pm.
34:05That's great.
34:07This is very good.
34:09The paint.
34:11Yes, the paint.
34:13There is a black dot
34:15on the scales.
34:17The Wajima
34:19painted this
34:21with gold.
34:24I was surprised
34:26because it was good.
34:28You made it
34:30very well today.
34:32What a timing!
34:34You are still young.
34:36About 5 years old.
34:38You are good at painting.
34:40I was surprised.
34:42I was very happy
34:44when you told me that.
34:46There is a black dot
34:48on the scales.
34:50You made it
34:52in the Edo period.
34:54Yes, I did.
34:56This is also
34:58from the Edo period.
35:00You can only make this
35:02in this period.
35:04There is no technology.
35:06How many people
35:08worked on it?
35:10There were different
35:12carpenters.
35:14There were different
35:16carpenters.
35:18There were different
35:21carpenters.
35:23Very cute,
35:25He called
35:27me.
35:29I said,
35:31I said,
35:33I said,
35:35I said,
35:37I said,
35:39I said,
35:41I said
35:43I said,
35:45I said,
35:47I said,
35:49It's not easy to pay off the debt.
35:52It's not easy to pay off the debt.
35:55I don't know how much I've earned.
35:59I don't know how much I've earned.
36:02A few million yen.
36:03A few million yen.
36:06Just by painting.
36:07Just by painting.
36:08Just by painting.
36:09I was confident, so I did a lot of things.
36:11I was confident, so I did a lot of things.
36:13I was happy with my work.
36:15Where are you going?
36:17Switzerland.
36:18To the Swiss watch shop.
36:20To the Swiss watch shop.
36:21He is famous.
36:22He is famous.
36:24I don't know him, but he goes to Switzerland.
36:28He is famous.
36:29That's why he is in my shape.
36:31That's why he is in my shape.
36:33This is a different shape.
36:34This is a different shape.
36:35You made this too, right?
36:36This is mine.
36:39Do you want to hold this?
36:41Do you want to hold this?
36:44You can't touch the top from here.
36:46I'll touch it.
36:47No, don't touch it.
36:48I'll hold it from here.
36:50Here you go.
36:51I'm scared.
36:54Wow, it's heavy.
36:56Well, I usually hold it with a sheath.
37:00Why did you bring this?
37:04Here you go.
37:05No, no, no.
37:06What if I hold it with a sheath?
37:08What?
37:09To make a sheath,
37:11the size of the sword has to fit perfectly, right?
37:13How do you make a sheath?
37:16I make two sheaths for this sword.
37:19A white sheath like this.
37:20A white sheath like this?
37:22And to make a sheath for painting,
37:24I shave this and mix this.
37:27You shave this?
37:29Yes.
37:31And make a hole.
37:33So you paint on top of this?
37:35Yes.
37:36Oh, I didn't know that.
37:37Oh, I see.
37:38There is no such thing as a sheath that fits perfectly.
37:41It never fits.
37:42It never fits.
37:43The width of the sheath is different,
37:45and the width of the blade is different.
37:47It never fits.
37:48Never.
37:50So when you say something good,
37:52it fits perfectly.
37:54Oh, I see.
37:55That's why it fits perfectly.
37:57That's what it means.
37:58That's what it means.
38:00There's only one sheath that fits perfectly.
38:02You say something good fits perfectly.
38:05I see.
38:06I see.
38:07There's a thin line here.
38:10Like this.
38:12Yes.
38:13That's called a sheath.
38:14It's called a sheath.
38:15Oh, a sheath.
38:16Yes.
38:17So when you push the sheath,
38:18this part gets jammed.
38:19It comes from the other side.
38:20That's why it's called a sheath.
38:22And you say that the sheath doesn't fit.
38:24That's also because of the sword.
38:26That's because of the sword.
38:28What about Tsubazeriai?
38:29Tsubazeriai also has a line here.
38:31It's like this.
38:32I see.
38:33When you cut the sword,
38:36there's a line on the sheath.
38:39There's a line on the sheath.
38:41You cut that line.
38:42There's a line you cut.
38:43You call that line a dotan.
38:45A line of clay.
38:46If you say dotanba, it's from there.
38:48If you say dotanbaya, it's from there.
38:51It's the end.
38:52There are many words that come from the sword.
38:55Yes.
38:56In the words we use.
38:58That's why the sword is important.
39:01It was inside the sheath.
39:07It feels good.
39:08It feels good when you cut it.
39:10It's definitely a katakata.
39:11You don't say katakata?
39:13No.
39:14If you say katakata, it hurts.
39:17After this,
39:18he was told by his benefactor
39:20that it's a word that he cherishes.
39:24I was happy when he told me that.
39:28And I still am.
39:32With his curiosity and vitality,
39:35regardless of size or shape,
39:38he continues to make new katanas.
39:42He is the so-called Kawachi Kunihira.
39:46When you finish your work,
39:49do you receive a lot of praise?
39:52Not really.
39:53Not really?
39:54I'm more confident.
39:56So when a customer asks,
39:58for example,
39:59how long the katana is,
40:00I don't care.
40:01I don't want to make it.
40:02It's not like I'm happy
40:04because it's sold well.
40:06Then what makes you happy?
40:08When I'm working,
40:10people usually say
40:12that I like my job.
40:16But I think I'm happy
40:18because I like my job.
40:20Oh, I see.
40:21That's what I think.
40:22But when I come here,
40:23I feel relieved.
40:25You feel calm.
40:27You feel calm.
40:29I tell my mother
40:30to take off her glasses.
40:35I should have told her earlier.
40:38But I feel happy
40:40because I like my job.
40:42So when you come here,
40:44you feel relieved.
40:46It's a place like that.
40:47Don't you miss people?
40:49I don't miss people.
40:51I miss people.
40:52Who do I miss?
40:53My mother.
40:54I miss my mother.
40:56You don't want to go on a trip, do you?
40:58No, I don't want to go.
41:00I'm busy.
41:02Are you grateful?
41:04Yes, I am.
41:06I'm very grateful.
41:08Yes, I am.
41:10I can't live without my mother.
41:12I don't think so.
41:16You came all the way here.
41:18I came all the way here.
41:20I didn't think it was far.
41:22What?
41:23I'm saying you're elegant.
41:25You're so elegant.
41:27But you're young.
41:29You don't feel it at all.
41:31You're not old.
41:33Really?
41:34You're stupid.
41:36You're stupid.
41:38Don't compare me to him.
41:40Are you two having fun?
41:42You're bragging about yourself.
41:44You're stupid.
41:45You're stupid.
41:46You're stupid.
41:47You're stupid.
41:48You're stupid.
41:49You're stupid.
41:50I'm not bragging. I'm not stupid.
41:53I'm just an old man.
41:56But I'm young.
41:59Young people still have a lot of things they want to do.
42:04I have a lot of things to do.
42:06I'm sure my life isn't enough.
42:09No, no, no.
42:10I'll be cut off in the process.
42:13You'll be cut off, but you're so full of life, you can be cut off anytime.
42:18That's what I think.
42:20That's what I thought when I was young.
42:21What else do you want to do?
42:23I'm still in the middle of my life.
42:25I'm still in my prime.
42:28You're still in your prime?
42:31Yes, I am.
42:33I'm a modern man, no matter where I go.
42:35If I didn't make money, I wouldn't be here.
42:38I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't play.
42:41I don't need money.
42:44That's true.
42:45But you have a wife and four children, and you raised them, right?
42:50They all went to art school and went to college.
42:54You raised them, didn't you?
42:57I'm proud of my wife.
42:59I didn't raise them.
43:02I'm proud of my wife.
43:05My wife is like that.
43:07You raised them on your own.
43:09If I had to choose, I'd choose my wife.
43:13I'd choose my wife.
43:15What are you talking about?
43:17You're going to choose your wife.
43:19You're such an idiot.
43:24You're embarrassing me.
43:26Did you talk to your wife about it?
43:29No, I didn't.
43:30I was a disciple of Mr. Miyairi.
43:32At first, I was crying.
43:35I had to fix my left ear.
43:40I couldn't do my job.
43:42You were always scolded by your father.
43:44Did you ever think you were wrong?
43:47Of course.
43:49You didn't know why, but you kept going until you were 83.
43:54That's cool, but that's all I could do.
43:57Really?
43:58What do you think of yourself now?
44:02How should I put it?
44:05I always thought I was bad, so I always had a complex.
44:09I kept making mistakes and getting scolded.
44:13But you know, there was a man named Manzo Nomura.
44:17He's an old man now.
44:20He was a disciple of Mr. Miyairi.
44:24He was my friend.
44:25He passed away when I was 64.
44:30I went to see him, and he came to me.
44:33He said he was from Makuramoto.
44:35He knew about me.
44:38He called me Kawachi.
44:40My father-in-law had passed away.
44:43He came to my room and called me Kawachi.
44:46He said I was bad at my job.
44:51He said other things, too.
44:52I was happy to hear that.
44:57I still am.
44:58Mr. Nomura said I was bad at my job.
45:05I got over it.
45:06You still have a complex.
45:08That's a great saying.
45:10Even now, at night,
45:14my father-in-law has a lot of flowers in his room.
45:19Mr. Nomura is dressed like a pig.
45:24What I like about my father-in-law is that he's a first-class man.
45:29That's important, too.
45:32This is a book by Mr. Denchu Hirabushi.
45:34He wrote about the secret of a long life.
45:39He wrote,
45:42I'm good at my job. I'm poor, but I'm happy.
45:47I love this book.
45:50I used to drive my father-in-law's car when I was in my 20s.
45:56We used to go to places together.
46:00I realized he wasn't the kind of man I was looking for.
46:03I met Mr. Nomura because of my father-in-law.
46:07That's how I met him.
46:10That's what's important.
46:12It's not just about learning to use a sword.
46:15It's about how to live your life.
46:17That's what I liked about Mr. Denchu Hirabushi.
46:22When Mr. Denchu Hirabushi came to work,
46:25he used to tell me to protect my father-in-law.
46:30He didn't do it like other people.
46:33He used to tell me to protect him at work.
46:37It was pretty interesting.
46:39Those are some great words.
46:44That's what training is about.
46:47It's about learning a lot of things other than the sword.
46:50Even though it's far away?
46:52Yes, it's far away.
46:54It's far away, but how was it?
46:56It was worth coming here.
46:58I was listening to him, but I couldn't see him.
47:02Do you want me to say something?
47:04No, I don't need it.
47:07What's that?
47:09In the 7th year of the Reiwa era, what was the day like for you?
47:13That's a difficult question.
47:15I should have said it earlier.
47:17A journalist came to me.
47:19What did he say at the end?
47:21He asked me what the sword meant to me.
47:25I told him I didn't know.
47:28I should have said it earlier.
47:30I'm sure he would have asked me that question at the end.
47:34What does rakugo mean to you?
47:36He would have asked me if I was a friend or a treasure.
47:41I should have told him not to ask such a question.
47:44That was a boring question.
47:47It came from me.
47:49It's a rule.
47:51I should have told him.
47:53You should have told me earlier.
47:56Do you feel like you've met your brother?
48:00I've met him once a week.
48:03I've seen him on TV.
48:05I haven't seen him on TV.
48:09I haven't seen him on TV.
48:12I haven't seen him on TV.
48:14I haven't seen him on TV.
48:17Finally, a great senior from the Showa era.
48:21Mr. Kunihira Kawachi's words of life.
48:28I can do it. I can do it. I can do it. I can do it.
48:33I can do it. I can do it.
48:35Kawachi Kunihira.
48:39Next time...
48:41I'll pay with my body.
48:42I'll pay with my body.
48:44I'll pay with my body.
48:46Mr. Nabe.
48:48I'll pay with my body.
48:51Laughing and crying.
48:53The Kandao family.
48:55Nabe, you can't lose.
49:03Anyone can be a parent.