Hours after the contentious Waqf (Amendment) Bill was passed by the Rajya Sabha and was one step away from becoming a law, massive protests erupted in parts of the country demanding the repeal of the legislation.
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00:00Good evening viewers, you're watching To The Point, I'm Preeti Chaudhary.
00:04Our top debate comes in the aftermath of the Vakf Amendment Bill, or what the government
00:10terms it as an Umeed Bill.
00:12Well, that's our top debate and at 7.30 today, Democratic Newsroom is back.
00:17But first up, allow me to take you through the headlines.
00:23After two days of fiery showdown, Vakf Amendment Bill passes the parliament test.
00:28Prime Minister Modi hails what he calls a landmark legislation.
00:34Congress DMK now AIMIN moves Supreme Court against the Vakf Bill.
00:59Anti-Vakf protests intensify in several parts of the country.
01:03Heavy police deployment for Vakf Bill stir.
01:05Over 50 protesters detained in Ahmedabad.
01:13Prime Minister raises attack on Hindus in Bangladesh with UNICEF.
01:17Prime Minister told UNICEF to take responsibility.
01:20UNICEF discussed a Sinai extradition.
01:24BJP attacks Mamata over teachers recruit scams, says Bengal most corrupt under Mamata.
01:33Seeks her resignation as Chief Minister says Didi will be jailed soon.
01:42Commerce Minister flays Indian start-up, Goel comments trigger start-up storm.
01:47Indian start-ups need reality check, he says.
01:50With food apps, China has EVs.
01:56US revised tariff for India from 27% to 26%.
02:01White House documents showed 27% duty on India.
02:05Meanwhile, China imposes 34% additional tariffs on US goods.
02:10Veteran actor and film director Manoj Kumar passes away.
02:14Known for his patriotic films and songs,
02:17he got the nickname of Bharat Kumar.
02:20Passes away at the age of 87.
02:40Alright, from that melancholic headline,
02:43let's move on to what has been an intensely fiery week and two days in the Parliament.
02:51The Waqf Amendment Bill caught the nod of both houses,
02:55the Rajya Sabha and the Lok Sabha.
02:57But the politics has now escalated.
03:00The Congress Party along with the DMK as well as the AIMM
03:04have decided to approach the Supreme Court.
03:06Meanwhile, there have been political ramifications as well.
03:10Three leaders of the JDU in Bihar have quit the party,
03:16calling the support of the JDU to the Waqf Amendment Bill as anti-Muslim.
03:21Here's more.
03:29Waqf Amendment Bill gets Parliament nod.
03:31The Bill is passed.
03:34After two days of fiery debate,
03:36the Bill renamed Umeed was passed by both Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha.
03:43Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is on a foreign visit,
03:46hailed the passage of the Bill.
03:48The Prime Minister said the passage of the Bill marked a watershed moment
03:52and that the Amendment Law will help those who have long remained on the margins,
03:56denied both voice and opportunity.
03:59Everyone has supported the Waqf Amendment Bill.
04:02Many MPs from Bihar have told us that they personally support the Bill.
04:10After strongly protesting against the Waqf Amendment Bill in Parliament,
04:14the Congress is now preparing to move the Supreme Court
04:17once the Bill gets Parliament's nod.
04:21The Supreme Court is responsible for the constitution.
04:24The custodian of the constitution is the Supreme Court.
04:27We have to see how the Supreme Court works.
04:30We have legal means to do this because I am not a legal expert.
04:34We have to consult everyone and then take a step forward.
04:39This is a clear-cut attitude of the central government on minorities,
04:45especially on Christians.
04:46Sometimes they will tell about the Munambam issue when the Waqf Amendment Bill is coming.
04:50Now you see the real colour.
04:53Their anti-minority attitude.
04:59Meanwhile, protests erupted in many states against the Waqf Bill.
05:04Protesters with black bands in their arms like this
05:08or they are lying down on the streets.
05:12As I said, this is a very busy intersection.
05:15Heavy police presence, senior police officers are here trying to man the streets
05:20because, as I said, this is a very crucial intersection.
05:24The protest against the Waqf Bill is still going on.
05:26Even though the bill has been passed by the Constitution,
05:28people are still protesting outside Ahmedabad.
05:34They want the Waqf Bill to be withdrawn.
05:37UCC and Waqf have put up banners here.
05:41This should not happen.
05:43This is the institution of minorities and Muslims.
05:47To pass this bill in the parliament is like robbing.
05:57This is wrong.
05:58This should not happen.
06:00Meanwhile, three senior leaders of the JDU have resigned from the party,
06:04citing disagreement over its support to the Waqf Amendment Bill.
06:08Mohammad Kazim Ansari, Mohammad Sharnawaz Malik and Mohammad Tabrez Siddiqui
06:13in separate letters to Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar
06:17said the party had lost the trust of the Muslim community.
06:20This bill is against the Indian Constitution and Shariah.
06:25Therefore, we are not ready to accept this bill at any cost.
06:29We have no disagreement with Nitish Kumar.
06:31Our disagreement is that he is supporting the Waqf Bill.
06:38The RJD slammed the JDU over its stand on the Waqf Bill.
06:42Some secular parties and the so-called secular leaders
06:48have been exposed.
06:53The people of Bihar will answer those who have supported the Bill.
07:01Bureau report, India Today.
07:08Alright, before we get to our face-off this evening,
07:11the big question that we ask,
07:13will the Waqf Bill have political and legal repercussions?
07:18We're going to take that question directly to our face-off this evening.
07:22We have two political commentators, Rajat Sethi, political commentator,
07:26Rashu Tosh, political commentator, both of them with us.
07:29I'll give you two minutes each.
07:30Rajat, would you like to go first?
07:32You know, the Bill has been passed by both houses,
07:36will very soon become a law.
07:38But at the back of it, you've had three opposition parties
07:41who've approached the Supreme Court of the country
07:43calling the Bill unconstitutional.
07:45Political repercussions already where the BJP's ally, JDU, in Bihar is concerned.
07:54Thank you, Preeti ji.
08:00Rajat, there's a problem.
08:01Okay, okay.
08:03Yeah.
08:04Rajat, there's a problem. We're going to start again.
08:06There's a problem with your audio link.
08:08We're going to just replay your timer.
08:10Or, you know, we're going to just do that again.
08:13Am I audible now?
08:15Yeah, you're audible. Go ahead.
08:19All right.
08:20Good evening, Preeti ji and to all of your viewers.
08:22Both the houses have passed the Bill and soon it will be a law.
08:26It has been challenged in the Supreme Court on three or four counts.
08:30First of all, it says that this is against Section 26
08:33where non-Muslims are included into the Bill.
08:35For the oversight of the Waqf statutory body.
08:40Now, this is one of the fundamental objections
08:43which have been raised by certain opposition members of Parliament.
08:46But you please understand that there is also a Hindu Endowment Act
08:50where also there is a similar state oversight on the management of Hindus,
08:55the temples which belong to the Hindu community.
08:58Why are these same leaders not crying horse about the Hindus' rights
09:03in the same light as they are questioning the Muslim rights on Article 26?
09:08The second is around Article 14.
09:10They are saying that why is Muslim community selectively being targeted?
09:14Now, specifically on the right to equality,
09:17there have been precedences as late as 2017
09:20when the Supreme Court was hearing Shaira Banu case
09:23when they said that triple talaq is against the fundamental rights
09:27that a woman enjoys and a Muslim woman needs to enjoy.
09:30This is the same reason why nobody had the guts to actually go out
09:34and challenge the triple talaq bill as well, the triple talaq act.
09:38Primarily because there has been established ways of mismanagement of certain aspects
09:43and the Supreme Court has observed that this cannot be called
09:46as an interference by the state in religious practices.
09:49So, both Article 14 and Article 26
09:52which are two fundamental pillars of objection that the opposition has raised fall flat.
09:57Then there are certain aspects that is waqf a core religious body
10:02or a religious institution of the Islam?
10:05There also, what the government is trying to say is
10:08that waqf remains a statutory body.
10:11Your idgah, mosque, all of these are religious institutions.
10:15Waqf in itself is only and only a statutory body
10:18and just like Hindu temples management state also has a control over,
10:22waqf can also have a state oversight.
10:25Your time is up.
10:26Rajat, your feeder is down.
10:30I want to bring in Ashutosh into this conversation.
10:33Ashutosh, opposition has approached the Supreme Court.
10:37Would you reckon there will be legal implications?
10:40We will get down to the political implications which one can already see.
10:45See Preeti, opposition has every right to go to the Supreme Court and challenge the bill.
10:50That's how the constitution works.
10:52But the fact of the matter is today BJP has very smartly changed the narrative.
10:58I just want to remind that in 2009, BJP in its own manifesto has said
11:04that a lot of lands of the waqf has been encroached upon
11:07and we in consultation with the religious gurus of Muslims will try to take that back.
11:14But what happened in 2024?
11:16The whole narrative has changed.
11:18It is waqf who is encroaching on others' land.
11:21Now this change of heart within the BJP itself is symptomatic of the fact today
11:28that Mr. Narendra Modi and Amit Shah is hell-bent to implement the Hindutva agenda.
11:35There's nothing else.
11:37BJP has never hidden its agenda.
11:41They talked about Article 370.
11:43They talked about triple talaq.
11:45They talked about uniform civil court.
11:47And they are talking about that there is a land jihad going on in this country.
11:51So how to neutralize the so-called land jihad?
11:54This is the way to neutralize that.
11:56Rest is all just...
12:00You can call it any name.
12:02Rest is all sophistry.
12:04Their arguments are being built.
12:06The fact of the matter is if this bill is good enough and kind enough,
12:13then why in Andhra Pradesh, in Tirumala temple management,
12:17no Muslims are allowed to be there?
12:20Can anybody be allowed, a non-Hindu,
12:25to be allowed to be in the management of Amarnath shrine
12:29or in the management of Jammu temple?
12:36No.
12:37So the fact is that it's simply political, simply ideological, nothing else.
12:42Rest is all arguments built around.
12:44That's all.
12:45All right.
12:46Well, you talk about a non-Hindu not being on the trust or the boards of Hindu temples.
12:53In this particular case, Ashutosh also, the TDP got the amendment passed,
12:57which was that it's up to the state's discretion
13:00to allow or not allow a non-Muslim on the board of Waqf.
13:05And in that case, Rajat, it would be interesting
13:08because maybe in Andhra Pradesh it's not going to happen,
13:11but in places like say Uttar Pradesh, it will happen
13:14and will be divisive in that context.
13:17Two minutes.
13:18First of all, it was factually wrong what Ashutosh just said.
13:22In Tirumala Devasthanam board,
13:24there was a Christian who was appointed as a chairman of the board.
13:28And there was a huge hue and cry on that appointment.
13:31Even till date, recently, there were 18 Christian employees working on the board.
13:37So let us not, you know, you have to measure both the instances with the same eye.
13:42And the law of the land is supreme.
13:44There has been state oversight and the states,
13:47respective states in several parts of our country have taken what they felt right.
13:52Why should the state not completely go with the rights over Hindu temples?
13:57The same way that the today's opposition leaders are trying to claim
14:00that there should be no state intervention in the management of the Waqf properties.
14:04Why are there two different logics?
14:05That's the simple question.
14:08I have heard for the past two, three days,
14:10every single member of parliament in the opposition,
14:13beyond apocalyptic rhetoric,
14:16there is not one legal position that they have come out and criticized the bill on,
14:20where they have stood the ground and have only and only talked about law.
14:24I was listening to 15 minutes of Imran Pratap Gadi speaking today.
14:28And what was it?
14:30You want to do poetry, you open the door at night,
14:33we will also come to our bungalows and do poetry.
14:35But don't make this a place for poetry in the parliament.
14:38You talk about logic.
14:39You give me two logics in this bill,
14:42specific call out the clauses,
14:44which are against any of the fundamental rights of the Muslims of this community.
14:48And you are misguiding the Muslims,
14:51that the bulldozer is being run.
14:53Look at the rhetorical words that have been used by the opposition members of parliament.
14:57Aren't they ashamed that they're only trying to create fear psychosis in the minds of Muslims of this country?
15:03And let me tell you, last point,
15:04what is being done is deeply dangerous.
15:07They are playing and trying to communalize laws when they are passed through the due process.
15:12And I want to tell you yet again,
15:14it is only about management of Waqf.
15:16Waqf is not getting abolished.
15:18Why can't they explain this basic thing to the Muslim constituents of our country?
15:23Nobody will do that.
15:25Let me tell you, no member of parliament is going to step out and say that.
15:28Okay, I'm going to cut across to Ashutosh, give him two minutes.
15:31But Rajat, I'm going to come back, circle back.
15:33And the question I'd like to ask you is,
15:34if it was more about reform and possibly less or nothing about religion,
15:38then when everything concluded in Rajya Sabha,
15:41how is it that all the BJP MPs got together and chants of Jai Shri Ram echoed in parliament?
15:47Now, it wasn't supposed to be about religion, was it?
15:49But I'll circle back to that question.
15:51Ashutosh, there are points that Rajat Sethi has made.
15:55Two minutes, sir. Go ahead.
15:57Preeti, no disrespect to anybody,
15:59but it's pure comedy to listen from the BJP
16:02that they are working for the welfare of the Muslims in this country.
16:05What happened in the parliament election?
16:07Who was trying to call them infiltrators?
16:10Who was trying to call them that they will steal Hindus' Mangalsutra?
16:15Who was saying that Sharia law will be implemented in this country?
16:20And whole world knows, out of 240, there's hardly any Muslim MP.
16:25It is not ironical. It's not tragic.
16:28That all the will has been fronted by the BJP.
16:31There's not one single member of parliament from the BJP to come out and defend and talk about it.
16:38Is it not shameful?
16:40The party which is not giving tickets to any Muslim across the board
16:45is not talking about the welfare of the Muslim.
16:47See, this is so ironical.
16:49The prime minister has called them infiltrators.
16:52Day in and day out, BJP leaders are abusing left, right and center.
16:59There are n numbers. I'm not going to quote all of them.
17:01And today, suddenly the BJP has become the champion of the welfare of the Muslims.
17:06I think this is just for the simple reason because they want to camouflage their hidden agenda.
17:13And the hidden agenda is like Love Jihad.
17:16They neutralized through Uniform Civil Code as a pilot project in Uttarakhand,
17:20where the living relationship has to be registered.
17:23And that is why they could identify that which Hindu girl is going to have an affair
17:27or living in relationship with a Muslim boy.
17:29That has to be stopped on a daily basis.
17:31You see what is happening in the courts.
17:33Similar thing is about the land.
17:369 lakh. You know, what is the 9 lakh?
17:39Less than a Goa geography.
17:43But 9 lakh acres, something like that.
17:45So, this hypocrisy has to end in this country.
17:49Enough of the hypocrisy in this country.
17:51And especially coming from the party which is ruling at the center.
17:55It's really sorry. It's very tragic.
17:58I have no words to even say about it.
18:00That how hypocritical one can be.
18:02Alright, your time is up, sir.
18:04You know, the good thing is that we have ample time in this debate.
18:07And we only have you two.
18:08And maybe we can touch on other facets.
18:10But Rajat Sethi, I'm going to come back to you.
18:12Give you that two minutes.
18:13The question that I had asked you earlier as well.
18:15You know, if this is about welfarism,
18:17if this is about the betterment of Muslims,
18:19if it's about reform and not about religion,
18:22then there is a point which many MPs who walked out of Rajya Sabha made
18:26where they seem to suggest that all MPs of the BJP got together
18:31and the Rajya Sabha upper house resounded with the chants of Jai Shri Ram last night.
18:353 a.m.
18:37So, firstly, Preeti ji, let me tell you,
18:40no specific bill can be for the welfare of a specific community.
18:45I don't belong to the school of thought.
18:47Every bill should be there for preserving the sanctity of rule of law
18:51and preserving the sanctity of constitution.
18:54Period.
18:56It should not pander to one community over the other community.
18:59Over here, the existing Vakf Act 1995 was patently against natural justice.
19:07The onus when a Vakf property or Vakf board was claiming a specific land as their own,
19:14the onus of proving it otherwise lied on the people,
19:19the common people of our country,
19:21Muslims and Hindus and Christians all included.
19:23That is what is against natural justice and that ill has been corrected.
19:27I don't care about who benefits or who doesn't benefit.
19:30Hindus benefit, Christians benefit and Muslims, of course, they will benefit.
19:33So, my position is every bill should be seen not through colored communal lenses
19:39but through the lenses of pure parity and rule of law in this country.
19:43If the Triple Talaq Act was brought in,
19:46abolishing this evil practice of Triple Talaq,
19:49it was brought in when you see women as a human being,
19:52not as a Muslim practitioner.
19:54That is what the fundamental line that was drawn in.
19:57I don't care who benefits out of Triple Talaq
20:00as long as the Muslim women are seen as a human being
20:04who was suffering under this atrocity in the name of religion.
20:07All the existing articles 25, 26, 27,
20:12all of these did not come out and protect that Muslim woman.
20:15Now, coming to your moot point, why was Jai Shri Ram accord?
20:20I am against that.
20:22It should not have been done.
20:23Preserve the non-communal character of the parliament.
20:27Those should be absolutely essential parameters
20:31on which the conduct of parliamentarians should be judged upon.
20:34I am against that.
20:35But this does not take away the merit of bringing this bill
20:38and converting it into an act.
20:39It was a long-awaited thing.
20:41Finally, it happened and I am happy about it.
20:43Your time is up.
20:44Fair point and admirable that at least you condemn
20:47the chance of Jai Shri Ram.
20:49But that is where the question stems from
20:51where you say that one should not communalise the bill
20:54because people use that as reference points
20:57or as ammunition to call it communal
20:59along with what possibly Ashutosh said
21:02that it is deeply ironical
21:04that you do not have one Muslim parliamentarian
21:06to actually put forth the merits of the bill in parliament.
21:10Ashutosh, I will come back to you.
21:12Let me get in Ashutosh for two minutes.
21:15Ashutosh, the sheer fact is
21:17even some of the best legal experts who are Muslim
21:23admit that there have been deep-rooted issues
21:26where the Waqf board was concerned
21:29and a lot of that needed to be amended
21:31especially where the tribunal is concerned.
21:37See Preeti, it's really music to my ears
21:40when I listen to BJP spokesperson, BJP leaders
21:44talking about the constitution
21:45swearing by the rule of law.
21:47It's really music to my ears.
21:48Something has happened in 2024
21:50and that's why the BJP is today
21:52now more talk about the Babasaheb Ambedkar constitution
21:55rule of law, independence of judiciary
21:57parliament sovereignty and all that.
21:59We all know why they are doing it.
22:01The fact of the matter is
22:02what the debate is all about.
22:04BJP wants to prove this is a matter of property
22:06this is not a religious affair.
22:08The fact of the matter is
22:09what is Waqf?
22:10Waqf means
22:11Allah ke naam pe di gayi zameen
22:14So Allah ke naam pe zameen di gayi hai
22:16that is religious in its nature and tenor.
22:19Doosri baat
22:20aap kehte ho ki
22:21agar aap
22:22ek dharam se doosre dharam Islam me convert karte ho
22:24to paanch saal tak
22:25aapko sabit karna padega
22:26you are a Muslim.
22:27Musliman?
22:28Then why this Musliman thing?
22:30Why this Islamic thing?
22:31Why somebody has to prove it?
22:33Is it not a religious identity?
22:35So two factors
22:36very clearly say
22:37this bill has
22:39has a direct connect
22:41with the religiosity
22:42and the religion of the Muslims.
22:44That's why it should not be interfered in.
22:46Then the BJP is talking about what?
22:48That they want to curb corruption
22:51and they want to take strict actions.
22:53Now what is happening in this bill?
22:55Bill earlier
22:56the Waqf Board
22:57has a two years
22:58of regress
22:59imprisonment.
23:00Now the word regress is gone.
23:02Pehle gaya jamaanti tha
23:04jamaanti ho gaya.
23:05Aap itna
23:06strict kaalun banana chahate ho
23:08sabko shaza dena chahate ho
23:09lekin
23:10shashram karawas hatake
23:11aap isko jamaanti kar dero.
23:13Is it not hypocritical?
23:14Now forget about other things.
23:16I'm not getting into the detail about.
23:18The fact of the matter is
23:20that BJP
23:21I'm very honest about it.
23:23I have never
23:24I don't question the integrity of BJP
23:26and their conviction about their ideology.
23:28It is basically
23:29to pushing their Hindutva agenda.
23:31As simple.
23:32Now the leaders like
23:33Nitish Kumar
23:34and Chand Babu Naidu
23:35has to see
23:36when the Muslims are facing
23:37the atrocity
23:38which they have never faced.
23:40Okay.
23:41Ashutosh your time is up.
23:42Now what we really have is
23:43one and a half minute
23:44each for you
23:45because both of you
23:46have got an equal time.
23:47So I want to bring in Rajat
23:48to make his
23:49final points
23:50and submissions.
23:51Rajat
23:52you know the clock will have one minute
23:53and we'll give you 30 seconds
23:54which I will monitor.
23:55Go ahead.
23:57So Preeti ji
23:58this point was brought out
23:59that the laws
24:00can only be brought about
24:01if you have a Muslim representation.
24:03Are we living in a world
24:04where there is a separate electorate
24:05where Muslims will have a
24:06special representation
24:08in the parliament?
24:09Are we trying to come in
24:10and create those
24:11bitter divisions
24:12which eventually led into
24:14the partition of our country?
24:16There is a process
24:17in which a member of parliament
24:19is elected
24:20that goes through a rigorous
24:22meritorious process
24:23of India's democracy
24:24which we are all proud of.
24:25Are you not proud of that?
24:28BJP did give ticket
24:29will continue to reach out
24:31to the Muslims
24:32and build its electoral base
24:33in order to reach to a point
24:35where its members of parliament
24:36are Muslims
24:37and they get elected
24:38through the process.
24:39Whenever they make an attempt
24:40you mock it.
24:41If Modi ki saugat
24:42is a scheme
24:43which BJP tries to bring in
24:44you will sit here
24:45ad nauseum
24:46and start mocking about it.
24:47You don't allow
24:48this is a perfect example
24:50of how hypocrisy
24:51sort of breeds itself.
24:53And let me tell you
24:54final point here.
24:55You will continue to hear
24:57all kinds of bravado
24:59bombastic speeches
25:01but nothing which is tailored
25:02to specifics of the law.
25:04I will tell you about
25:05this five year aspect.
25:07Now there has been documented
25:09mismanagement aspects
25:11of the work support
25:12which were documented
25:13by the search committee in 2006.
25:15There are specific provisions
25:16which a neutral body brought out.
25:18Those have been invoked
25:19to bring in these
25:20checks and balances.
25:21Why are you against
25:22those checks and balances?
25:24My point is that
25:25the way Hindu temples
25:26have to have a state oversight
25:29similarly Muslim institutions
25:31and this
25:32and this
25:33is not even a Muslim institution.
25:34It is only a statutory body.
25:36If it has a state oversight
25:38there is absolutely
25:39nothing against the constitution.
25:4137 seconds more
25:42we have given you
25:431 minute 40 seconds.
25:44Fair point Rajat
25:45that you made
25:46that it was riddled
25:47with bureaucracy
25:48and red tapism
25:49but similarly now
25:50rampant discretionary powers
25:51have been given
25:52to government employees.
25:53Do we really trust them
25:54to do the right thing
25:55when it comes down
25:56where the work board
25:57is concerned?
25:58Last one and a half minutes.
26:01Ashutosh, final submissions.
26:05See Preeti
26:08BJP is a very smart party.
26:11I really admire
26:13their guts
26:14to camouflage anything
26:16put any argument
26:18put any perspective
26:19and call the whole world
26:20as something else.
26:22Now if you have been
26:24if this bill has been
26:25they have been so honest
26:26about welfare of the Muslims
26:28why the Muslims
26:29are angry about it?
26:30The fundamental reason is this
26:32they are angry about it
26:33because they know
26:34this is the direct encroachment
26:35in their religious affairs
26:38and I can tell you
26:40this bill can be a turning point
26:43in Indian political history
26:44like the Shah Bano case was.
26:46The Rajiv Gandhi committed
26:48the similar mistake
26:49which Mr. Narendra Modi
26:50and Shah is committing today.
26:52The Rajiv Gandhi
26:53and the Congress
26:54did not realize then
26:55now they are not realizing
26:57and I will not blame them
26:59because this is what
27:00their agenda is all about.
27:02I'm not going to quote Golwalkar
27:04I'm not going to quote others
27:06who are openly brazenly anti-Muslim
27:09even the Gandhi has talked about it
27:11Nehru has talked about it
27:12Sardar Patel has talked about it.
27:14I'm not going to quote
27:15even Subhash Bose
27:16and Babasaheb Ambedkar
27:17has talked about it.
27:18Everybody has talked about it
27:20even Jayaprakash Narayan
27:22and Ram Manohar Loya
27:23has talked about it.
27:24So let's not make fool of
27:27don't think the others are fool
27:28the people don't understand.
27:30This is the agenda
27:31they are pursuing their agenda
27:32because they got the numbers
27:33in the parliament.
27:34As simple.
27:35Tomorrow if they are in opposition
27:37somebody else will be there
27:39on the chair of the prime ministration
27:40if they got the numbers
27:41they will change it.
27:42But mark my word
27:44this is the similar mistake
27:45which Rajiv Gandhi did
27:47about Shah Banu.
27:491 minute 37 seconds
27:50given to you as well
27:51I appreciate both of you
27:52for joining us.
27:53It's nice when we get more commentary
27:56from either side of the divide.
27:57Appreciate it.
27:58Thank you both.
27:59We are going to let it be.