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00:00The next guest is...
00:02The guest of Talkin's Konya is...
00:09The Japanese bodybuilder with a human body,
00:12the best in Japan,
00:14Mr. Naotaka Yokokawa.
00:17He is usually played as a young man in a variety show,
00:22but in fact, he has a 5-year training history,
00:25and has the record of being the best in Japan.
00:29In the world of bodybuilding,
00:31he has been praised by legends all over the world,
00:34such as the god of muscle,
00:36who has been around for 100 years.
00:38He is a genuine genius.
00:40Since he became the best in Japan this year,
00:43he has announced that he will return to the tournament for the first time in 6 years.
00:47His goal is...
00:49to aim for Mr. Olympia,
00:51the world's highest tournament.
00:54Where is your shoulder?
00:57Now is the time to build muscle,
01:00so there is a lot of change in appearance.
01:18Compared to 6 years ago when he became the best in Japan,
01:21his weight has increased to 100 kg.
01:25And his thighs have evolved to 80 cm,
01:27which is the same as his waist.
01:31I interviewed a man who is challenging himself to a higher level.
01:36Even now, I'm not satisfied with my body at all.
01:39I'm not satisfied with my body.
01:42Above all, he prioritizes muscle.
01:44He lives a muscle-first life,
01:46and his love life and daily life are full of failures.
01:51What is the difference between you and Naotaka Yokokawa?
01:55Charisma?
01:56Charisma?
01:59I think so, but it's kind of annoying.
02:01It's definitely like that.
02:04Muscle...
02:07When you say, hey, hey, do you have a sense?
02:10Yes, I do.
02:16Once again, today's guest is Naotaka Yokokawa.
02:18Nice to meet you.
02:21He's my best friend.
02:23He's my best friend.
02:25I thought he was your best friend.
02:27He's not my best friend, but I saw his Instagram story.
02:30He said, how much do you weigh now?
02:32I knew he was getting bigger, but I didn't know he was this big.
02:35That's true.
02:36I haven't seen him since he became like this.
02:38How much do you weigh now?
02:40I'm about 100 kg now.
02:42100 kg?
02:43I've never seen a 100 kg guy with muscles.
02:46I've seen people who don't have muscles.
02:49I'm sorry.
02:50120 kg?
02:51120 kg?
02:52120 kg?
02:54Yokokawa is in the middle of building muscles for the challenge to the world.
03:03When I interviewed such a stoic Japanese bodybuilder,
03:09his life was full of failures because he was too muscular.
03:16First of all, everything is for muscle.
03:19Let's start with the shocking menu.
03:22How much do you eat?
03:23I only eat white rice, beef, chicken, and eggs.
03:29The menu is already set.
03:31I eat three meals a day.
03:33I eat three meals a day.
03:39You don't eat at all even if you have the same diet?
03:43I don't eat at all.
03:44I'm a vegetarian.
03:47I don't eat because I'm hungry.
03:49I eat because I want to build muscles.
03:54I don't care if I feel delicious or not.
04:01Yokokawa only eats to build muscles.
04:06When I asked Murashige, a close friend of Yokokawa,
04:13if there was protein in the rice,
04:17she said,
04:18this is protein.
04:20It's noisy.
04:22If there is chicken breast,
04:24she said,
04:25chicken breast is good for building muscles.
04:28I don't live on the basis of muscle.
04:31She doesn't eat rice when I'm on a diet.
04:35When I'm on a diet,
04:37I eat a whole salmon.
04:42I think it's hard to live on a diet.
04:45What do you mean by a whole salmon?
04:47She is stupid.
04:48I know what you mean.
04:50Do you know how much protein is in a meal?
04:55I can tell by looking at it.
04:59Don't you miss the taste?
05:03I don't think so.
05:06Do you sprinkle salt?
05:07I sprinkle salt and pepper.
05:09Is that all?
05:10That's basically it.
05:11Do you eat rice with that?
05:12Yes, I do.
05:13Don't you gain weight?
05:14I don't need to gain weight.
05:17I just need to get in my body and reach my muscles.
05:22What do you say when you eat?
05:27I say, it's salty.
05:28It's salty?
05:30You don't like salty food?
05:31I don't like salty food.
05:32I usually eat only salt and pepper.
05:34I don't like salty food.
05:36I think it's salty.
05:37I don't like salty food.
05:38Do you eat normally when you eat?
05:40Yes, I eat normally.
05:41We ate together.
05:42I drink a lot of alcohol.
05:45I think I drink the most alcohol in the world.
05:47That's amazing.
05:50Isn't it hard for you now?
05:52I don't think I'll do that if I switch to a different diet.
05:57I'm totally fine now.
06:00Not only the menu, but also the way she eats is too muscular.
06:07I often hear that you have to take protein on a regular basis.
06:12I eat once every three hours.
06:17When I can't eat, I take protein.
06:22I don't want to make Amino-san lose weight.
06:28I know that I don't have any weight now.
06:32How do you feel?
06:34I think you feel hungry.
06:38I don't feel like I'm hungry.
06:41I feel like I'm Amino-san.
06:45If I don't feel like that, I don't want to talk.
06:48I'll be in a bad mood.
06:50When you feel like you've been filming for a long time,
06:54don't you want to take protein?
06:56I take protein on a regular basis.
06:58I used to take protein on a regular basis.
07:01I want you to film me.
07:04I can't help it. It's time.
07:07Do you take protein in your water?
07:10I have some protein.
07:14If I want to drink it, I'll drink it.
07:17Stop it.
07:19You're going somewhere, right?
07:21You should put it here.
07:23Instead of water?
07:25I'm going to drink it.
07:29I'm really curious about that.
07:31He doesn't care if it's for his muscles.
07:35Anyway, he's Yokokawa-san, who's a muscle first.
07:39His neck is thin, too.
07:40It's very thin.
07:43Since 6 years ago, he has gained a lot of muscle.
07:47He is evolving into the best body in the world.
07:52When I interviewed a man who was too stoic,
07:57he told me how hard it was for him to live for his muscles.
08:02What's your schedule like?
08:06I wake up pretty late when I don't have work.
08:10I sleep until 1 or 2 a.m.
08:13I wake up and eat.
08:15I start training at 4 a.m.
08:18I spend more than four hours in the gym.
08:21Really?
08:24For example, if I train my chest today,
08:28I will continue to train my chest for the rest of my life.
08:33You start training every day, right?
08:35Yes, every day.
08:38There are nine types of training for a man who aims for the world.
08:44There are 11 types of training for the back.
08:48There are 15 types of training for the legs.
08:52There are more than 50 types of training for the other parts.
08:57He trains for four hours a day for a week.
09:01I go home and eat around 9 a.m.
09:04I eat again at 12 a.m.
09:08Is there a time when you think it's hard?
09:12Training is a part of my life.
09:16If I don't do it, I feel bad.
09:19If I don't do it, I feel like I want to forget about training.
09:26That's disgusting.
09:30I'm not satisfied with my body.
09:34I wasn't satisfied when I became the best in Japan.
09:37I'm not satisfied with my body.
09:39I've been like this since I started training.
09:42That's cool.
09:44What is the difference between a person who wants to be big and a person who wants to be big once in a hundred years?
09:54Charisma?
09:56You said it yourself.
09:59I think so, but it's annoying.
10:02I'm sorry I didn't say it.
10:05I train twice as much as other people.
10:10If you do that, your body will break, right?
10:12My body will break and I'll get injured.
10:15Many people give up because they can't do it mentally.
10:18But I can do it.
10:20I think that's why I'm getting bigger faster than other people.
10:26How much fat do you actually have now?
10:29I haven't measured it yet, but I feel like I have a lot of fat.
10:36I think I have more than 20.
10:40How much fat do you lose from now on?
10:42From now on, when I go to a tournament, I'll lose as much as I can't measure.
10:47So you can't measure it with a machine?
10:49That's right.
10:51If the machine is less than 3, it will cause an error.
10:56That's scary.
10:59If I go there, I'll be able to go to the tournament.
11:02What if there's an error?
11:04If there's an error, it's okay.
11:07I was impressed when I touched it when I won first place in Japan.
11:12It's a machine that makes your legs pop.
11:14That's scary.
11:16What kind of system is that?
11:18Can you do it now?
11:19I can do it now.
11:21That's scary.
11:23First, tell me what you're talking about.
11:26I'll try it.
11:28Is that okay?
11:30Are you going to take it off?
11:32I won't take it off.
11:35Tell me what's going on.
11:37I'm scared.
11:38It's a machine that makes your legs pop.
11:43It makes your muscles shake.
11:45That's amazing.
11:47I dropped it.
11:49That's amazing.
11:51That's amazing.
11:53It's a muscle.
11:55It'll be more powerful when it's done.
11:57That's amazing.
11:59By the way, this is Max's condition.
12:03This is it.
12:05This is it.
12:07It's transformed.
12:09That's amazing.
12:11I'm curious.
12:13If you have that much muscle, do you feel it when you do this?
12:18I do.
12:20I do.
12:21I don't think so.
12:23Why do you think so?
12:25Yokokawa is the best bodybuilder in Japan.
12:31The reason why he was aiming for the top was unexpected.
12:36I didn't want to be like this at first.
12:40I started because I wanted to be popular.
12:44Women in the world like thin guys.
12:49I know thin guys are good.
12:53But when I realized it, I was like this.
12:56I couldn't take it anymore.
12:58I couldn't take it anymore.
13:01I wanted to go back to being a human being.
13:05I'm sad.
13:07I want to be sad.
13:09I want to be a human being.
13:11He started because he wanted to be popular.
13:13But he was too muscular.
13:15He made a lot of mistakes in love.
13:18I want to be nutritious all day.
13:22When I go on a date, I make a lunch box and bring it to her.
13:27Lunch box?
13:28When I have time, I go to the park.
13:33When I go to the gym, I eat white rice.
13:37I'm so sad.
13:40What did she say to you?
13:43She laughed at me at first.
13:46But I think I'm getting more and more muscular.
13:53She asked me which is more important, me or muscles.
13:57I didn't know that.
13:59She must have said that for the first time.
14:02It's a long story.
14:06Yes.
14:08When I looked at the clock, I was injured for 3 hours.
14:13I couldn't stop wanting her.
14:16When I was angry, I raised my hand.
14:19Excuse me.
14:20Can I drink protein?
14:22That's terrible.
14:24I understand.
14:26Do you go to the cinema?
14:28I bring protein to the cinema.
14:31Of course.
14:32When I want to drink protein, I go to the cinema and drink it.
14:39You didn't tell her the story, did you?
14:43I didn't say anything.
14:4530 minutes before the movie started, I thought I had to lose weight.
14:49That's why I didn't tell her the story.
14:52I said, protein, protein, protein.
14:55When I came back from drinking protein,
14:58I was so satisfied that I was sleepy.
15:02Whether it's a dating or a breakup,
15:05Mr. Yokokawa is a muscular man.
15:09And he is obsessed with protein.
15:14There was a time when I was tired of absorbing protein from my mouth.
15:21I decided to absorb protein from my skin.
15:23How?
15:24I'll ask you.
15:26I put protein in the bath.
15:30You put protein in the bath?
15:33I put protein in the bath and used it.
15:36Does it make sense?
15:38There was a doctor who knew about biology.
15:41He said it didn't make sense.
15:43He couldn't absorb protein.
15:46I can understand that.
15:48He said it was the end of his body.
15:50It's not good for your body.
15:53I thought it was the end of the story.
15:59You laughed.
16:00It's over.
16:02Do you realize it's over?
16:03I know it's over.
16:06I know it's over, but I can't control it.
16:09I know I'll be dumped if I say this.
16:14But I can't stop myself from wanting to do this.
16:17Do you think it's okay to break up?
16:20I cried a lot after I was dumped.
16:24You cried a lot?
16:27How old are you?
16:29Are you an elementary school student?
16:31How old are you?
16:33I cried a lot.
16:36I thought you were going to break up.
16:41Why didn't you know that?
16:44I thought I might be able to live.
16:48You're charismatic.
16:50You might not be able to live, but you might be able to live.
16:55You might be able to live from now on.
16:57I believed that.
16:58You're positive.
17:01Mr. Yokokawa lost his girlfriend because of his muscles.
17:10I asked him if he was attracted to a stoic woman.
17:18He gave me a shocking answer.
17:21Do you want to work out together?
17:23No.
17:25I don't want to.
17:27Why?
17:28I don't want to.
17:29I don't want to work out.
17:30I used to work out, but I couldn't see a woman working hard.
17:39That's the worst.
17:41I couldn't see it.
17:44When I was in elementary school, I couldn't see a cute girl running 50 meters.
17:54Why?
17:56I don't have an ideal type of woman.
18:00I don't want to be looked at.
18:03When I see a woman working hard, I can't stand it.
18:10You can work out with me, but you don't want to show me?
18:16Of course, I don't want to show you.
18:18But I don't look at your face.
18:20What?
18:21I don't look at your face.
18:22So, you don't want to show me?
18:24Yes, I do.
18:25But I don't look at your face.
18:27What?
18:30I don't understand.
18:32But you often put up with her.
18:37So, I want you to put up with her.
18:42But there is a statue of a woman in my house.
18:49A statue?
18:52I'm scared.
18:53Take your time.
18:56What did you say?
18:57I said something scary.
18:59I said there is a statue of a woman in my house.
19:03That's impossible.
19:05What did you say?
19:07Are you okay?
19:09Are you okay?
19:11Are you okay?
19:13I'm in a bad mood.
19:14I'm sure that's not enough.
19:17That's not enough.
19:18What did you say?
19:20What did you say?
19:22Are you okay?
19:24I'm in a bad mood.
19:25You are in a bad mood.
19:27Are you okay?
19:28Yes.
19:29In your head?
19:31Yes, so?
19:34What did you say?
19:36You should have said it before you drank.
19:39Not yet.
19:40Yes, so?
19:42Before you drank.
19:43What did you say?
19:44You have an ideal statue of a woman in your house.
19:47You don't want to destroy it.
19:49I don't want to destroy my ideal statue of a woman in my house.
19:52For example, you don't want her to be muscular.
19:56That's fine.
19:58That's fine.
19:59But I don't want to see her face.
20:02Like this?
20:03Yes.
20:04I don't want to see her serious face.
20:06I don't want her to be desperate.
20:08I see.
20:09I want her to be a little bit aggressive.
20:12I don't want her to be a little bit aggressive.
20:15I can see she is not a person who is determined to exercise.
20:18For example, she has a lot of drive and feel like she is late on the train...
20:21But I don't want her to be a little bit aggressive.
20:26That's impossible.
20:27Look at her!
20:28Isn't she disgusting when she drives so aggressively?
20:31That's fine.
20:32That's fine.
20:33That's fine.
20:34Of course!
20:35That's fine.
20:36Mr. Yokokawa was not in a relationship due to his muscular figure.
20:42And as a result of going through a muscle-first life that goes beyond the breath of a human,
20:48there is an event that threatens life in everyday life.
20:54I'm going to close up here, and I'm going to be out of breath, and I'm going to wake up at night.
21:02That's crazy!
21:07That's crazy! I can't pay!
21:11That's lame!
21:19And as a result of going through a muscle-first life that goes beyond the breath of a human,
21:24there is an event that threatens life in everyday life.
21:30It's hard to live. It's hard to live in general.
21:35It's hard to wear socks.
21:39For example, when I have muscle pain in my legs,
21:42or when I have a hard time getting up in the morning, I can't reach it.
21:48I don't wear socks.
21:51I may not be able to do it in a normal human life.
21:55What do you mean?
21:56When the shoulder muscles get bigger,
21:59when I sleep sideways,
22:02I don't have enough pillow height.
22:06That's what happens.
22:08But I have a long distance here,
22:11so if I have a pillow here, my neck will be like this.
22:15You have to have a pretty high pillow.
22:17That's right.
22:18It's impossible, isn't it?
22:19But I'm going to close up here, and I'm going to be out of breath, and I'm going to wake up at night.
22:27That's dangerous!
22:28He's going to close up his cell phone.
22:32Basically, I can't sleep sideways, so I look up.
22:35But when I'm sleeping,
22:38for example, when I look sideways like this,
22:41the muscles of this shoulder and the neck are tightened.
22:47It really feels like it's tightening.
22:49It's getting tighter and tighter.
22:52When I'm about to pass out, I get up.
22:58What if you don't wake up?
23:01If I don't wake up, I'll just pass out.
23:04It's a common thing for bodybuilders.
23:09I've heard of it.
23:12I've heard that people with big shoulders are like that.
23:16It's all the same.
23:17I can't even wear socks.
23:18I can't sleep.
23:19I'm sleeping on my shoulders.
23:23It's exactly the same.
23:24It's exactly the same.
23:25I think it's all the same except for training.
23:28Then it's all different.
23:30Is it different?
23:32I can't wash my back.
23:35You can't reach it.
23:36I can't reach it.
23:37That's pretty tough.
23:39What do you do when you're sick?
23:41I put body soap on the wall of the bathroom.
23:50And I wipe it like this.
23:56It's okay if it's too red.
23:58If I do this, my skin will hurt.
24:02Is it a sensitive skin?
24:03It's a sensitive skin.
24:05Your skin won't get stronger.
24:06It gets rough easily.
24:08Is it easy to get sick?
24:11It gets worse.
24:12It gets worse.
24:13It gets better.
24:14Does that mean your immune system gets weaker?
24:15That's right.
24:16The harder you train, the weaker your immune system gets.
24:20Why?
24:21Why?
24:22Because you're focusing on your body.
24:24You're using your energy beyond your limit.
24:27You don't have any immunity after you're done.
24:31You're tired.
24:32You're tired.
24:33I don't know, but you should wear a jacket.
24:36It's cold.
24:37It's cold.
24:38It's cold.
24:39It's cold.
24:40Is it hot or cold now?
24:42Now?
24:43It's cold.
24:44It's not cold.
24:45It's better to wear a jacket.
24:47Bring me a blanket.
24:48It's cold.
24:49It's okay.
24:51Yokokawa is known for his variety shows.
24:55He has won many competitions.
25:02Let's ask him why he's the top bodybuilder.
25:07It's a fact that he's so muscular that it's beyond our imagination.
25:13Don't you win any prize money at competitions?
25:17I've never won any prize money.
25:19Zero yen?
25:20Zero yen.
25:21Why?
25:23I won the first place in Japan and got 3kg of protein.
25:26You got 3kg of protein.
25:28I got what I always drink and that's it.
25:31Do you still prioritize your muscles?
25:34Yes.
25:35If I lose my muscles, I don't have anything left.
25:38I don't think so.
25:40I don't have anything left.
25:41I'm just a woman who has a debt.
25:44You have a debt?
25:46Yes, I have a debt.
25:48How much debt do you have now?
25:51Now?
25:52I don't think I have more than 500.
25:56What?
25:58Are you kidding me?
25:59I heard that you moved to a tower apartment.
26:03I thought you moved to a better place.
26:06But you moved to a different place.
26:08I see.
26:09I couldn't do anything about it.
26:11So I moved back to my parents' house.
26:13Do you live there now?
26:14How many people live there?
26:15I moved from my parents' house.
26:16I see.
26:17I have a friend who lives in the same tower apartment as me.
26:20He said this apartment is really popular.
26:22What do you mean?
26:23He said it's really popular.
26:26But the rent is very expensive.
26:29I see.
26:30The rent is very expensive.
26:32But I wanted to be popular, so I bought it.
26:34I decided to move there.
26:36I thought I could do something if I worked hard.
26:40So I moved there.
26:41But I couldn't pay the rent for the first month.
26:45I didn't have enough money.
26:48So I borrowed money.
26:50You borrowed money.
26:51I borrowed money.
26:52And I bought a Nintendo Switch.
26:55You must have been scared.
26:57Are you going to be rich?
26:59I'm a healthy boy.
27:01Mr. Yokokawa lived in a tower apartment until he was in debt.
27:07He was in debt?
27:08It seems that he has a habit of spending a lot of money.
27:13I spend a lot of money.
27:16If I don't have enough money, I borrow money from the consumer bank.
27:19That's strange.
27:20No, no, no.
27:21Do you want to borrow money?
27:24Yes, I do.
27:25I definitely borrow money from women.
27:28I don't want to give it to women.
27:29I don't want to give it to women.
27:31I see.
27:32I've been in a relationship with a photographer.
27:35Really?
27:36Yes.
27:37At that time, Mr. Yokokawa gave me money.
27:41I'll give it to you.
27:43I see.
27:44But you're in debt.
27:46I can't give it to you.
27:49Actually, when we were drinking together, I was the oldest.
27:55So I paid for the drink.
27:57I said, I'm going home.
27:58Mr. Yokokawa came to the entrance.
28:02Mr. Sashi, did you pay for the drink?
28:04He was looking at me.
28:06I said, I'm fine.
28:07I'm older than you, so I'm fine.
28:09But he took more money than I paid.
28:12He took the money in his pocket.
28:14I said, I'm fine.
28:16He said, I'm fine.
28:17He said, I'm fine.
28:18He said, I'm fine.
28:19He said, I'm fine.
28:20I was surprised.
28:21I was at his place for 5 minutes.
28:23I didn't know this situation.
28:28You're in debt.
28:30Yes, I was.
28:31I was in debt.
28:33It was a long time ago.
28:35You're in debt now.
28:37It was a long time ago.
28:39Do you want to treat her?
28:42Yes, I do.
28:43I treat my juniors and women.
28:48But when I go home and see my wallet,
28:50it's empty.
28:53I cry.
28:57But I can feel that I'm alive.
29:01What do you mean?
29:03You're excited.
29:05Maybe I'm excited.
29:06I can feel that I'm alive.
29:08You're alive.
29:09I'm alive.
29:10If I wasn't alive, I wouldn't cry like this.
29:13Wait a minute.
29:14Why don't you cry about something else?
29:17Like frustration?
29:18No, no.
29:19You're overdoing it.
29:20You're overdoing it.
29:21You're overdoing it.
29:22You're overdoing it.
29:23You're overdoing it.
29:24I don't have any money.
29:25I don't have any money.
29:26I can't pay my rent this month.
29:27I'm also very excited when I have to pay by weight.
29:33That's crazy.
29:34That's crazy.
29:35I can't pay the rent!
29:38He's raging.
29:40That's not good, really.
29:42Even if he says he can't pay, he can't really, right?
29:45He can't pay.
29:46That's not good.
29:47That's not good.
29:52That's right.
29:55What if you become the world's number one bodybuilder?
29:57If I become the world's number one bodybuilder,
29:59I'll probably get tens of millions of dollars.
30:01What?
30:03You have to become the world's number one bodybuilder.
30:05You can do it.
30:07You still have a chance.
30:09If you get tens of millions of dollars,
30:11you'll pay off your debt, right?
30:13What will you do with the rest of the money?
30:15I've been doing bodybuilding
30:17because I've been bothering a lot of people.
30:19If I become the world's number one bodybuilder
30:21and get paid,
30:23I think I'll be able to use it for other people.
30:25I see.
30:27I think I'll do it until then.
30:29I don't know, but I'm impressed.
30:31But you still owe me 5 million yen.
30:33I still owe you 5 million yen.
30:35I still owe you 5 million yen.
30:37After this...
30:39I didn't have a remote control.
30:41I don't know why, but it fell into the microwave.
30:43Why?
30:45It was an unbelievable failure
30:47that made me go into the microwave.
30:49He was a man of many talents.
30:53I was going to buy milk.
30:55When I went to the supermarket,
30:57it was sold at Tomoyama-kun's place.
30:59In the end, I went home without buying milk.
31:03Nagao was a man of many talents.
31:05He was a man of many talents.
31:07When I was sleeping in the morning,
31:09I drank the lid and threw away the liquid inside.
31:11On Thursday night...
31:13I'm in trouble. I can't pay.
31:15If you want to watch it again,
31:17T-BIRD. The past broadcast is on FOD.