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00:00I have this image, but I want you to tell me, from now on, your vision, your emotion, and also with the perspective of time.
00:10There I see Roberto, and I look at him, and I see Roberto all bloody.
00:17And the flame smoking, you know?
00:20And, look, that's what I saw, observed, and then comes my reaction, right?
00:33To the sector where they had launched the flare, because there were several, several flares fell, right?
00:40It was not one.
00:43There is Roberto.
00:46Tell me, do you see Roberto lying on the ground?
00:50I see him bleeding, whole.
00:52You were like in the middle of the field, let's see.
00:54I was in front, well, I see Roberto, the game stops, a teammate arrives, I see what happened, I see the smoke from the flare.
01:01And I'm going to see what happened.
01:04And I see Roberto bleeding so much that they threw a flare at him.
01:08The people, the Brazilian fan threw a flare at Roberto.
01:13That's the flare.
01:14That's your reading?
01:15That's the immediate reading, damn, hot.
01:18But how, look how they leave Roberto desperate, calling the referee.
01:22And people start, in Maracanã there were 110,000 people, that moment was a real madness.
01:28And I see Roberto bleeding and I say, oh, these guys who have believed, and there I make the gesture.
01:34That really, with the passage of time, obviously I burst.
01:39They don't answer.
01:41But at that moment, obviously ...
01:44I'm ashamed, I'm ashamed.
01:47Obviously I'm ashamed.
01:49But at that moment, with the passage of time, but at that moment, of reaction, of everything ...
01:54A reaction of impotence, of impotence.
01:57Of impotence, that they attacked a colleague.
02:00And at that moment, people felt very identified.
02:05Look what it is.
02:07I mean, look, no, no.
02:09They threw a flare at Roberto and this one at least sent him to the tip of the hill.
02:13At least he reacted, at least he faced it.
02:15He faced it, of course.
02:17In the distance, an artificial fire fell on Roberto Rojas.
02:22An artificial fire fell on Roberto Rojas.
02:26We saw how he hit him.
02:27You have to see the repetition.
02:30There it is.
02:34Let's see what happens.
02:39We don't know where that flare hit him.
02:41We don't know where that flare hit him.
02:47And the situation has become tremendously complicated.
02:50That's what's there.
02:52Of Patricio Ullani.
02:53Reprobable, by the way.
02:55Regrettable.
02:57Regrettable.
02:58What happened to that flare.
03:02And what happens when Roberto is taken off the pitch?
03:04What happens to you? What happens to the team?
03:05No, we're leaving.
03:06We're leaving.
03:07We're leaving.
03:08We have to play this game again, without an audience.
03:10It's no use playing Mendoza against Venezuela.
03:13The atmosphere was already hot.
03:15The atmosphere was already hot.
03:17I had never experienced a moment of such aggressiveness,
03:21where the press was also involved,
03:24in relation to the reading of what was happening in Brazil.
03:27So the reading, within the rage and everything,
03:30was that, because they're shitting us.
03:32Sorry.
03:33But it's understandable.
03:34They're shitting us, of course.
03:35Look, here's a colleague of yours and a friend,
03:37who asks you the following question.
03:40Hello, dear Patito, how are you?
03:41Hi, Felipón.
03:42I want to give you a big hug.
03:43We've been through a lot together, Patricio.
03:45Yes, a lot.
03:46Don't be scared.
03:47I want to ask you about a football match.
03:49It's not good for you either.
03:50That late night in Maracaná, in 1989,
03:54that you lived inside the pitch,
03:56and I in the stadium, and then in the dressing room.
03:59Together.
04:01Patricio, from 1 to 10, how much does it bother you
04:06that everyone remembers your particular gesture on that day?
04:12That it has become almost a verb,
04:15that it has become almost a point in the history of our country.
04:21Does it bother you?
04:23Can you tell us the story of that child
04:25who, together with his parents, one day greeted you?
04:31It's not funny.
04:32How much does it bother you, from 1 to 10?
04:34Now.
04:35The truth is, it embarrasses me and it bothers me.
04:39Regardless of whether it's very deep,
04:43very much in response,
04:45I've seen reactions in football stadiums,
04:47I've seen it in schools,
04:48I've seen it in Congress.
04:51Making the gesture,
04:52I've seen it permanently in history, you know?
04:55But it's not something...
04:56I value the reaction, the response to what I...
04:59But that day, of course,
05:00but that day, as Felipe says, it became a verb.
05:02Today, it's part of the tradition,
05:04it's part of the culture.
05:06I mean, of course, you evaluate it over time,
05:08but the truth is that today,
05:10a duck of years is a duck of years.
05:12And I think that few people can have that.
05:16What happened to a child?
05:17There are many people who have ever written to me,
05:21or wrote to me,
05:22saying, how ordinary you are,
05:23and that is highlighted here,
05:24how ordinary you are, how ordinary.
05:25So, once I was in the Monumental Stadium,
05:29where the booths were just above Rapani,
05:32and you were there on the edge,
05:33after they had already modified that one.
05:35So, I had finished a match,
05:36the stadium was full,
05:38I was commenting,
05:39so I was commenting with the phone,
05:41I was looking at the notes,
05:42blah, blah, blah,
05:43and bam, bam, bam, I was there.
05:44I was following what I was doing,
05:45I was there, blah, blah, blah,
05:46I was commenting this time.
05:49And bam, bam, bam, bam,
05:51bam, bam,
05:53I was following.
05:54I finish commenting,
05:55and he says to me,
05:56and he says to me,
05:57look,
05:58what, what, what?
06:00And there was a young guy,
06:01who must have been five years old,
06:03and he says to me,
06:08he does it to me,
06:09and he was a little boy,
06:11with a coat,
06:12and a hat,
06:13so innocent,
06:15and the father in the background,
06:18and he did it to me.
06:19That's it.
06:24What happened to you,
06:25when the disappointment came to you later?
06:27The disappointment with...
06:29It was hard, it was hard.
06:30Did you talk to Conor Rojas later?
06:32Yes,
06:33I talked to him,
06:34in fact,
06:35at some point,
06:36I,
06:37we became enemies,
06:38we split up to die,
06:39with Roberto,
06:41because I said,
06:42something else has to fall here.
06:43It can't be just love,
06:45affection,
06:46and the shirt.
06:47Something strange is here,
06:48no, it can't be.
06:50Like, just a scarf,
06:52he,
06:53how, how,
06:54how was he going to cut himself,
06:55maybe,
06:56how did he cut himself?
06:57What moment was he going to wait?
06:59It didn't make sense to you,
07:00it didn't make sense to you?
07:01It didn't make sense to me,
07:02I talked to him,
07:03and he said,
07:04Pato, I did it out of love,
07:05believe me.
07:06To try to understand this event
07:07of practically police brawls,
07:09you have to move
07:10to September 3, 1989,
07:12in Maracaná,
07:13when Rojas,
07:14after having a simply phenomenal
07:16performance,
07:17takes advantage of the occasion
07:18in the fall of a flag
07:19that never impacted him,
07:20to make cuts in his face.
07:22As a person and as a player,
07:23I would never do it,
07:24and I keep doing it.
07:25I think that's an injustice,
07:27and I say it in front of the TV cameras,
07:29it's an injustice, really,
07:30and I think that in the world
07:31in which we are living,
07:32the injustices are prevailing
07:33above all things.
07:35This commission
07:37has concluded,
07:38by the foundations
07:39exposed in the body
07:40of this report,
07:41that the wound
07:42that appeared
07:43in the beginning
07:45caused by the flag
07:46is a wound that is not a wound.
07:47It was a time
07:48when we didn't talk.
07:49And well,
07:50I remember that Felipe,
07:51Felipe Bianchi,
07:52came into the dressing room.
07:53Ivan Valenzuela,
07:54I think,
07:55no, I don't know if it was Ivan Valenzuela.
07:56Yes, it was Valenzuela
07:57because he was accompanying Felipe.
07:58Sergio Gilbert
07:59was there,
08:00another journalist,
08:01Milton Millas was there,
08:02and we lived
08:03the whole drama.
08:04We lived the drama
08:05that no one was going to come in
08:06or out.
08:07The police were there,
08:08the police were there,
08:09the police were there,
08:10the police were there,
08:11the police were there,
08:12and the police were there.
08:13The police were there
08:14with weapons.
08:15The lawyers arrived
08:16after an hour,
08:17an hour and a half,
08:18with some batons,
08:19with some silver things,
08:20they took pictures,
08:21they grabbed Roberto,
08:22they saw the cut he had.
08:23And from there,
08:24they left,
08:25and we left,
08:26but they left
08:27with a lot of audacity.
08:28And at that moment,
08:29there was a photographer,
08:30Alfieri,
08:31who was Argentinian,
08:32who says,
08:33I have the photo
08:34where they don't photograph him.
08:35And they almost,
08:36they almost killed him.
08:37They almost killed him.
08:38They almost killed him.
08:39They almost killed him.
08:40They almost killed him.
08:41They almost killed him.
08:42Then, when people got to know the truth,
08:43Then, when people got to know the truth,
08:44that was a sadness,
08:45that was a sadness,
08:54when I returned to spain,
08:57they treated us like...
09:00oooh,
09:01crazy,
09:02look where they took him,
09:03look where they took him,
09:04I had a bad time.
09:06I had a really bad time over there,
09:08in Spain,
09:09in Spain,
09:10the media, everything, the fraud.