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00:00You know, this headline, I saw it the other day and I was surprised.
00:04And it touched me tangentially.
00:06And I'll explain why.
00:08Criticism towards Francisco Pérez-Bahren for having a 72-hour fast.
00:15Smelled salmon to feed himself.
00:18Hey, I understand that here there was controversy, there was a wide discussion.
00:27And a lot of people started to criticize him for the topic.
00:30And the background of this, according to what he explained, was for a kind of spiritual healing.
00:37That had to last 72 hours, exactly, and to feed himself he does that.
00:42You know, the social networks of the videos were filled with this.
00:46It caught my attention a lot.
00:48I said, what is the end of this?
00:50Because in the end, not eating for 72 hours is already harmful.
00:54I mean, it is assumed that it is a matter of spiritual healing and everything,
00:59and that he had, let's say, some kind of medical staff, nurse,
01:04who was monitoring his health.
01:07But it is still a matter of...
01:09This has nothing to do with what I do all of a sudden.
01:13The fast does not stop the fast.
01:15No, this has nothing to do with it.
01:17I am a few hours without eating and then I eat like a pig, let's say.
01:22This is extreme, but it does not respond to a diet,
01:25to a person who has an overweight,
01:27not anyone could do it, there is no medical support.
01:30I don't know, I'm going to ask you, doctor.
01:32What do you think?
01:33How do you, as a doctor, perceive this news?
01:36Well, you have to be careful because it is a person who has a public role,
01:41who is known, and who could influence other people to do the same.
01:46What is going on?
01:47So that we know the details, let's say.
01:49Because if not...
01:51So that...
01:52And here we are seeing.
01:53It says...
01:54This is the note from Bio Bio Chile.
01:56It says,
01:57For spiritual and healing purposes,
01:59that was the reason given by the actor Francisco Pérez Banen
02:03to perform a 72-hour fast, that is, three days,
02:07and share his process,
02:09which triggered a wave of criticism from experts and the general public.
02:14In this way, the Chilean actor began the process last Saturday
02:18with his friend, the biochemist Hugo Biani,
02:21and finished it on Tuesday, this Tuesday.
02:23Yes, Tuesday, 11.
02:24Of course.
02:25So he shared via Instagram,
02:28quotes,
02:29My dear friend, biochemist, nutrition expert,
02:32and founder of Biani Nutrition,
02:36and...
02:37Real...
02:38La...
02:39De...
02:40S...
02:41I really have no idea how to read that.
02:43He has invited me to live the experience of performing a 72-hour fast
02:47with the purpose of detoxifying,
02:49purifying,
02:50regenerating mother cells,
02:52unlocking energy centers,
02:54and aligning our mind, body, and spirit.
02:57And there is the video where he says all this.
03:01Following rigorously the purposes of philosophy and oriental medicine
03:05for the fasts of these characteristics,
03:07he says that it has been key in the formation of Dr. Proteína
03:11as a high-level athlete in several martial disciplines.
03:19This was done under the recommendation of people who supposedly know about nutrition.
03:24Of course, he dedicates himself to this.
03:26But look, here he explains how the 72-hour fast of Francisco Perez-Banen was.
03:30In fact, Perez-Banen shared that they both had a nurse
03:35who was in charge of monitoring their vital signs.
03:39Everything is within normal parameters,
03:41the blood pressure is a little altered,
03:44but it must be due to the anxiety about eating.
03:47After 72 hours, a vegetable soup is waiting for them.
03:52That's what the specialist said.
03:54Now, it's curious.
03:56He says everything is within normal parameters.
03:59The blood pressure is a little altered,
04:01but it must be.
04:03When you say it must be, it's because you're not 100% sure.
04:06Of course.
04:07I just leave it as it is.
04:09And then he says, it was not a dry fast.
04:11This was a fast where there was no caloric intake,
04:15there were no macronutrients,
04:17but water, infusions, mineral salts and some vitamins.
04:22That's what biochemist Hugo Viani said,
04:25who was also subject to this three-day routine.
04:29With this background,
04:31he also says that those three days they decided to eat.
04:35And this was what caused curiosity,
04:37because how are you going to eat mentally?
04:40Smelling a freshly baked salmon.
04:42It's like eating osmosis.
04:44We are going through something
04:46that we have called the 50-hour wall.
04:49So we decided to eat, but he did it smelling.
04:53I had never smelled a salmon this way.
04:57It is delicious,
04:59savored by all the goodness of the salmon.
05:02Fish.
05:04And here he added that the feeling is quite good.
05:08Personally, I feel good, slower,
05:11probably because of the lack of energy.
05:13It's like having a veil in mental clarity
05:17and a tendency to be very slow.
05:22But that will be the result of the lack of energy.
05:25And here, of course, the criticisms arise.
05:27Let's go to the shot with the criticisms.
05:30It was just like on social networks,
05:32they criticized and questioned his acting
05:34for the risks of promoting fasting without medical indication.
05:38Quotes.
05:39Anyone is free to do the nonsense that pleases you,
05:41but you must be careful when you have a public hearing.
05:44And yes, to be serious, you add a pseudo-doctor.
05:48That's what that comment says.
05:50A user.
05:51We don't say it.
05:52You have stolen protein.
05:53Even worse.
05:54A user wrote.
05:55Of course.
05:56They say, no, girls, don't have a 50-90 hour fast.
05:59It won't solve all your metabolic problems
06:01following the advice of an actor.
06:04Well, and here, of course, they arise.
06:06Not only do the criticisms appear,
06:09but it also has to do with how harmful it can be
06:14for a person who is not 100% healthy
06:19to undergo something like this.
06:21Because he is a public person.
06:23And there are many people who follow the example
06:25of these public characters.
06:27Look, there were also comments of support
06:30and of asking him how to do the whole story.
06:37The question is, can one feed on osmosis?
06:41No, no, not that.
06:43Not us, not us.
06:45Other living beings.
06:47Smell a roast.
06:51Pass by the side of a bakery and say, oh, how delicious.
06:54The bread was good.
06:57The bread was good.
06:59But that's going to deceive the mind.
07:02What we feel when we smell food,
07:06there are aromatic compounds,
07:08they are molecules that our receptors,
07:12chemoreceptors, perceive.
07:15But that doesn't give to generate food.
07:18It's not crazy.
07:20It doesn't feed.
07:22Now, I think that's also part of the spiritual thing.
07:25Mystical, of course.
07:27Like smelling a salmon fish,
07:29feeling that I am, I don't know.
07:31I think, because scientifically,
07:33I imagine there is nothing proven about a common thing.
07:36No, absolutely not.
07:38That's not going to generate a change.
07:40But be careful, intermittent fasting
07:43can be an alternative for diet control,
07:47for weight control,
07:49but it's done during the day.
07:51You concentrate the hours you can eat in some hour,
07:55and on the same day you have a longer period of fasting.
07:58And that's why it's called intermittent and not extreme.
08:00Of course.
08:01And you take advantage of the hours of sleep too.
08:03Exactly.
08:04And also, you have to consider
08:06that not all people have a health
08:09that allows them to face three days of fasting and look good.
08:14Maybe a person taking a lot of liquid
08:18or keeping hydrated to avoid losing volume
08:23can endure it and survive the attempt.
08:26Of course.
08:27But not all people can do it
08:29without having repercussions on their health.
08:31But look, doctor,
08:32here he talks about the state of deceleration.
08:35He talks about spiritual healing and all that.
08:38Because it turns out that we need to feed ourselves,
08:41for example, to be able to get up,
08:44walk, go to the beach.
08:46I mean, we need that energy to move.
08:50That's right.
08:51Because here, nowhere does it say that he left his house,
08:53he had a normal life.
08:55Because it's very different.
08:56And probably that deceleration
08:58is because he didn't have energy.
09:00Indeed.
09:02What happens when the days start to pass?
09:04You don't have food intake.
09:06Where do you get the energy from?
09:09From the accumulated fat?
09:11Not just the fat.
09:12And the muscles.
09:13From the muscles themselves,
09:14from the fat itself,
09:16there is catabolism.
09:19There is a kind of cannibalism,
09:22of self-cannibalism.
09:23We start to consume ourselves.
09:27And in that process,
09:28certain chemical compounds also begin to increase.
09:32There is an increase in ketones, for example.
09:35Ketones?
09:36Ketones.
09:37And our mental clarity decreases a little bit.
09:40That's why he felt slower?
09:42He feels slower, right?
09:45And the more days pass,
09:46this is more intense.
09:48So, this, one can do it,
09:51but the more you extend it,
09:54the more the dangers increase,
09:56and the balance between danger and benefit
10:00goes more to the dangerous side.
10:02Now, here, what one sees is that he was not alone,
10:06that he did it with a person that I don't know who...
10:09At least he trusts.
10:10Of course, he trusts that it is a biochemist, as I understand,
10:13and a nurse who monitored them.
10:16But deep down,
10:19what is questioned a lot is that,
10:22what is it called?
10:23That this is presented as an alternative to healing
10:27when, I imagine, he is a young man who...
10:30Of course.
10:31I don't know if I'm explaining myself.
10:33I don't think any person could do something like that.
10:36That's the risk.
10:37Francesco, do you know?
10:38Do you have any information about who this person is?
10:40Yes, what happens is that I interviewed Francisco Pérez Vanem
10:42about two months ago,
10:44because he, at a good amount of age,
10:46started a path, as he calls it,
10:49of being part of a community
10:51that practices Gestalt therapy,
10:55which is basically a search to experiment,
10:59to make meat, I'm going to explain it with my words,
11:02the emotions, the experiences,
11:04what happens to one.
11:05That is, to somehow provoke,
11:08in different areas of life,
11:10situations,
11:12and they do that through dynamics and a lot of other things,
11:15to learn from your emotions,
11:17to learn who you are in those emotions,
11:19and to be able to face life in another way.
11:21I'm explaining it in a very simple way.
11:23It makes sense to me the way he describes
11:26when he smelled the salmon,
11:27because it was a very special experience for him.
11:30In fact, part of what he shared on his social networks
11:32is precisely when he is smelling the salmon
11:35and discovers that when he smelled the salmon,
11:37hungry, which was at 50 hours of starting this fast,
11:41it was spectacular.
11:43Yes.
11:44In fact, well, that day I didn't talk to him about fasting,
11:47far from it,
11:48but yes, at least what I felt...
11:50But he exposes himself to these experiences.
11:52He has been in this for a long time,
11:54I understand that he guides, even,
11:56I don't know if he is certified in the word,
11:58but basically in this community he has that role.
12:00And, of course, it is the search to understand
12:03at the highest level your emotions
12:05to be in the present,
12:07so that they don't affect you so much,
12:09to be able to face life in another way.
12:11And for him, I understand, it has been an absolute change in his life.
12:14And why do I mention it?
12:15Because, of course, precisely what you say, Pri,
12:17I believe that this issue of fasting,
12:19I have done fasting, not this one, far from it,
12:21but I understand something,
12:23I have the impression that for a topic
12:25of what fasting means,
12:28it is to experience that experience to the maximum.
12:31Of course.
12:32Look, let's see the moment when he smells the salmon.
12:35Look what he shared.
12:42This little salmon.
12:43Yes.
12:44Let's go.
12:49Oh!
12:54I swear I had never smelled a salmon like this.
13:05Oh!
13:10I think it's not a sin if we go with one more.
13:13Come on.
13:14One more, the last one.
13:20Oh!
13:23Of course, one could think that a torture,
13:25the 50 hours of fasting,
13:28smelling the salmon,
13:30is like a torture, isn't it?
13:33But look how they feel it.
13:34Me to the second.