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Pits And Peaks 02:40
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How to Handle Pet Owners Who Think They Know More Than You 23:46
Our Thoughts On Island Vet Schools 27:10
A Dog With An Infected Cyst 29:58
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00:00If they're not going to trust you and your judgment and your knowledge, then it's really
00:05hard to help them.
00:06I was monitoring and Dr. Ham did the dental and she's like, Devin, look, and I turn, I'm
00:10not great with teeth.
00:11Like I have sensitive teeth, so dentals are kind of hard for me, but I turn around and
00:14she just like wiggles the canine and pulls it.
00:17I was like, when they have that and they have cardiac disease, they're fine until they're
00:22not.
00:23And then all of a sudden they are not fine.
00:24And it could be anything that sets them into congestive heart failure.
00:27They could be at the house and they run down the hallway.
00:34Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of the Veterinary Roundtable, the podcast
00:38where we answer your veterinary-related questions while having some fun along the way.
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00:53Reviews, baby, reviews.
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00:56Moved so much from last week.
00:57It's been three weeks on reviews.
00:58That's okay.
00:59People are busy.
01:00It's spring.
01:01Kind of.
01:02For the week.
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01:04We're going to just push us forward into manifesting.
01:07It's basically April.
01:08That's what we're going to keep saying.
01:09Basically.
01:10That means it's basically my birthday.
01:11So everybody's outside.
01:12Everybody's having fun.
01:13Yeah.
01:14It's beautiful today.
01:15So, you know, we get it.
01:16Absolutely.
01:17Everybody's busy.
01:18Spring cleaning.
01:19Yeah.
01:20Yeah.
01:21Anyway.
01:22Move forward.
01:23One hundred twenty.
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02:02Most days.
02:03Some days, right?
02:04You should see us.
02:05OK.
02:06Anyway.
02:07I'm Devyn Fortune.
02:08I'm Courtney Allen.
02:09I'm Emily King.
02:10And this is the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:11We're missing Dr. Duckwald today because we just are.
02:12Guys, you know what we should do?
02:13She quite actually.
02:14We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:15We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:16We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:17We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:18We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:19We should go the Veterinary Roundtable.
02:20And then he edits it.
02:21And it's so sick.
02:22OK.
02:23Ready?
02:24Ready?
02:25And this is.
02:26Wait.
02:27And this is.
02:28The.
02:29Veterinary.
02:30Roundtable.
02:31OK.
02:32But yeah.
02:33Duckwald's gone.
02:34She quit.
02:35Just kidding.
02:36Just this episode.
02:37Yeah.
02:38She didn't quit.
02:39It's OK.
02:40JK.
02:41We miss her dearly.
02:42OK.
02:43So.
02:44Pits and Peaks.
02:45What are you guys feeling this week?
02:46Yeah.
02:47I'll go first.
02:48So my pit was that I got to have dinner with my whole family this past weekend.
02:51So my Harmony, which is my grandma, she took us all out to our favorite Korean restaurant
02:56and it was just a really good time.
02:57It was fun.
02:59And then my pit is my car is having problems.
03:04So this is going to sound very like privileged and prissy I feel like because every time
03:09I say it I feel like it.
03:10But I've always had leased cars.
03:12So I've always had brand new cars.
03:15And then I decided to not lease this last time and I bought a car in cash so I own it.
03:21So it's just like weird going from that like a brand new car to having a used car that
03:25has issues.
03:26And sure.
03:27So my transmission is a little messed up right now.
03:30So I have an appointment.
03:31My father-in-law's a mechanic so he's been looking at it.
03:34But I have an appointment to take it in to have the computer updated.
03:37So hopefully that'll fix the problem.
03:39And my car really hates the cold.
03:41My car does not do well in the cold.
03:44So hopefully that fixes it and I don't have to replace the transmission.
03:47Can you rent garages at your apartment complex?
03:50No, we only have carports.
03:55So we do not have any garages.
03:56Which if we did it would be worth the money because yeah my car does not do well in the
04:00cold.
04:01And it's a what it's doing is a known problem with Hondas but I just love my car so much.
04:06So I don't want it to be a transmission because usually most the time replacement transmission
04:10really isn't worth it in a lot of cars.
04:13You said 2013?
04:14Yeah.
04:15I have a 2013 Honda Pilot and he is a beaut.
04:18I love him.
04:19Louie?
04:20Louie.
04:21I love him.
04:22But that's it.
04:23Pray for my car.
04:24You said your peak input?
04:25Yes you did.
04:26Okay.
04:27My peak is that Walter moved into the apartment so smoothly guys.
04:31I was so proud of him.
04:32The second we left our house and I brought him to the apartment he did not make a single
04:36peep.
04:37Like he didn't meow.
04:38He didn't do anything.
04:40Which was impressive because normally he screams for like the first five minutes of a car ride
04:43and then he settles in super quiet and he is super happy in the apartment.
04:48That's amazing.
04:49Yeah that is really exciting.
04:50Literally 30 minutes into moving he used the litter box and then he ate dinner that night.
04:55He drank water.
04:57He's being very clingy which I think is kind of my pit but he is an alone cat for the first
05:02time in his life.
05:03So he did have to say goodbye to his brother Sid at home but he's doing really well.
05:09I think I'm going to bring him on a play date with Sid maybe like this upcoming weekend
05:14and then I do really want to get a kitten.
05:17Everyone's telling me to wait and that it's too soon but I really want a kitten and I
05:21don't want to leave Walter alone for that long of a time.
05:24I think he's adjusted better than I expected so I think he could handle it but I don't
05:28know.
05:29Yeah I mean I think there's pros and cons of getting a kitten right now.
05:34Yeah.
05:35So I don't know.
05:37Still very cool though.
05:38It's exciting though because that's always a risk.
05:39I mean any animal though but especially cats and like Walter also has a sensitive bladder.
05:44He does.
05:45So he's on a urinary diet.
05:46So like that was what was like I'm like oh I hope his bladder is okay and he doesn't
05:50get cystitis.
05:51He's being great.
05:53That's awesome.
05:54That's so exciting.
05:55And he has hated men his whole life because my dad was a scary man and he traumatized
06:00Walter but he like my mom has had a boyfriend for like eight years and he's over very frequently
06:06and Walter just like a year ago let him touch him for the first time.
06:11So I had Trent over this weekend my boyfriend I haven't talked about him on the podcast
06:15yet but I had him over and like they hadn't really spent much time together because I
06:20normally go to his house and 30 minutes and Walter was on Trent's chest giving him kitty
06:24biscuits.
06:25Oh wow.
06:26Yeah.
06:27Wow.
06:28It's a big step.
06:29That's a big step for Walter.
06:30That's a big deal.
06:31Yes.
06:32I was so proud of him.
06:33I was sending her.
06:34Did I send you a video?
06:35Yeah.
06:37I sent you a video.
06:38He's obsessed.
06:39That's awesome.
06:40That's cute.
06:41Yes.
06:42That's exciting for you.
06:43I know.
06:44That's the important man you're alive getting along.
06:45I know.
06:46I know.
06:47You don't have to choose.
06:48Trent fell asleep on the couch and Walter jumped up there and slept on him.
06:49Oh that's cute.
06:50I know.
06:51He's like a different cat.
06:52That's good.
06:53I know.
06:54Maybe he wants to be an only cat.
06:55Maybe this is a sign you shouldn't get another cat.
06:56But he has so much energy he needs a little kitten to play with.
06:59You can get him toys.
07:01I can get him a dog.
07:02Can you borrow a kitten and see how he does?
07:03I mean I could foster.
07:04Yeah.
07:05Foster fail.
07:06Yeah.
07:07Just kidding.
07:08That's okay.
07:09I mean if they got along then you would know.
07:10Yeah.
07:11Yeah.
07:12Yeah.
07:13Maybe I'll do that.
07:14I might go to Humane Society this weekend.
07:15Yeah.
07:16Stay tuned.
07:17It's hard guys.
07:18Now I don't have a mom that is withholding me from getting a pet.
07:22It's the freedom.
07:23It's exciting.
07:24Yeah.
07:25Yeah.
07:26Yeah.
07:27I get that.
07:28I totally get that.
07:29Absolutely.
07:30Stay tuned.
07:31Okay.
07:32My peak, because you brought up litter boxes, is my litter robot.
07:33Oh yeah.
07:34I saw that.
07:35How's that going?
07:36It's amazing.
07:37Is it?
07:38Did that get sent to you?
07:39No.
07:40I bought it.
07:41Wow.
07:42Wow.
07:43Because I was tired of, because Calvin had a litter box in his room because Valentine
07:44loves his room.
07:45And so I was like, you know what, I'm just tired of having a regular litter box.
07:49I'm just going to do it.
07:50And so I bought that and it is fabulous.
07:54So what do you do?
07:55There is no odor.
07:56It is, guys, it's like, it is amazing.
07:59The cat has a clean litter box every single time.
08:02The stuff gets put into a tray.
08:03I'm a busy lady, so I'm sure that's very helpful to you.
08:05And it's like in a tray and it's, it's like compartmentalized so you can't, there is no
08:09odor.
08:10So you just like take out the tray and you dump it?
08:11Yeah.
08:12Well, it has a bag.
08:13You just tie the bag up.
08:14How often do you have to, are you, have you cleaned it?
08:17Um, it'll tell you if the tray's full.
08:19On your phone.
08:20Wait, is it?
08:21There is a litter box app on your phone.
08:23Yeah.
08:24Do you want me to show you?
08:25Is there one of those?
08:26Yes.
08:27It does like tell you how much he weighs and like what time he poops and pees and.
08:28Yeah.
08:29That's how it can tell the difference I think between.
08:30Nuh uh.
08:31Yeah.
08:32That's how I can tell the difference between.
08:33It's a litter box.
08:34Um.
08:35Is there a camera?
08:36The.
08:37No, I don't think so.
08:38Oh shoot.
08:39That's an invasion of privacy.
08:40I gotta find the app.
08:41Do you want a camera in your toilet?
08:42Um.
08:43Yeah.
08:44It was hilarious because, um, I walked by one time and Valentine was sitting in front
08:50of the litter box just staring at it because it was cycling and she was just watching it
08:54cycle.
08:55Like as if she came out of there and then turned around and then was like.
08:57Yeah.
08:58Probably not my shit.
08:59How did she do?
09:00How did she do with it?
09:01She did fine.
09:03Um.
09:04Yeah.
09:05So I told her to start using it.
09:06Okay.
09:07But then once she started using it, she's like, oh yeah, okay, this is fine.
09:08That's not bad.
09:09That's not my clean toilet.
09:10So yeah, she has a.
09:11Every cat loves a clean toilet.
09:12Huh.
09:13Right?
09:14I mean.
09:15Because they go the second you clean their litter box usually.
09:16Um.
09:17So.
09:18And I've looked at some of the other, um, like what people have said about them and
09:20I could see where like, okay, maybe it's too loud or.
09:23Yeah.
09:24But I don't really think it's loud.
09:25Do you think it's loud?
09:26No.
09:27But I could see where someone might think that if you had a really sensitive cat.
09:29I was going to say if it.
09:30Yeah.
09:31To noises.
09:32Yeah.
09:33I mean.
09:34People are just.
09:35That is amazing.
09:36Every single time they go.
09:37That's insane that there's a litter box like that.
09:38Yeah.
09:39Technology is crazy.
09:40I'm trying to find the app.
09:41It's like.
09:42It's crazy.
09:43What is it called?
09:44Oh, it's called Whisker.
09:45That's right.
09:46Whisker?
09:47Um.
09:48But like see.
09:49Oh my gosh.
09:50Because it whiskers the poop out?
09:51And then I.
09:52I don't know.
09:53But like it says like it'll measure the amount of litter.
09:54Like so.
09:55Like it'll.
09:56Like that's the tray.
09:57So I.
09:58And then I loved it so much I bought one for the basement.
09:59So there's.
10:00Huh.
10:02And then it tells you like.
10:03Like with waste.
10:04Does Lenny use it?
10:05Her litter.
10:06Lenny uses it.
10:07It's a picture of Valentine.
10:08And her weight.
10:09Like it weighs them every time.
10:10So it's really cool.
10:11Do you think the weight is accurate?
10:12Um.
10:13I think that it's accurate for.
10:14Like her on.
10:15In that machine.
10:16I don't know if it's like her true weight.
10:17Sure.
10:18Does that make sense?
10:19Yeah.
10:20Like when she goes in there and it's weighing her.
10:21Like that's probably accurate.
10:22Like before a dump and after a dump.
10:23Right.
10:24Yeah.
10:25Yeah.
10:26Yeah.
10:27Yeah.
10:28Yeah.
10:29Yeah.
10:30Yeah.
10:31No.
10:32I don't.
10:33Right.
10:34It's probably accurate for her.
10:35But it's not like accurate.
10:36I wouldn't necessarily consider it exactly like a scale.
10:38Yeah.
10:39I haven't tried like weighing her.
10:40I should do that.
10:41And then I can report back.
10:42But like.
10:43See it tells you everything.
10:44Like cause owners will be like.
10:45Cats.
10:46My litter robot.
10:47Yeah.
10:48I could see an owner being like my litter robot says my cats lost weight.
10:50You know what I mean.
10:51Well, and I would say that then you would be like.
10:53Oh, okay.
10:54Do I need to.
10:55Hmm.
10:56Do something.
10:57You know, or whatever.
10:58I think it's reliable enough for that.
10:59Oh, yeah.
11:00It could see a discrepancy in weight. Yeah between the two if your cat has big poops, though
11:06Yeah, well, so anyway, I'm a big fan
11:11That's so cool, yeah, but you literally forget about the litter box. Yeah, because so like
11:16You literally forget about it. Huh? That's awesome, which is really cool. That's really cool. It's expensive, right? Yeah
11:23Huh? My mom would love that as a gift. Mm-hmm
11:27Maybe you and your sister go in. Yeah, and make it like a gift and your brother
11:31It is all of her gifts for all of 2020
11:36Mother's Day, this is Christmas
11:41There you go, okay
11:45Oh God a pit
11:48Just doing a lot of traveling. Yeah, but you know what? It's fun traveling. So it's a pit in a beak. Mm-hmm
11:55Okay, Courtney do your thing dangling alrighty exciting news
12:00We have a new segment that is going to be a part of our podcast. It's called tales from the trenches
12:05It is where we want listeners to send in your most ridiculous funny unhinged stories that we can read on the podcast
12:12You can send those stories via email to the veterinary roundtable at gmail.com
12:17So we are very excited for that. We would like just send it all and filter just give it
12:22Sit down with our popcorn and just read those. Yes, that would be so we have sales from the trenches
12:27But we want to hear yours. Yeah, I would love to hear everybody else's so fun stories are fun. Okay case collection
12:35Okay, what have you guys got? This is just us two. I think so. Okay, I'll go first. They're pretty quick
12:39Um, my case is a 14 and a half year old. Shiba Inu mix
12:45She's kind of a newer patient to us. Courtney's done some happy visits with her because she has a bit of anxiety
12:50But she was scheduled as an appointment for like 5 p.m. One day a couple weeks ago for
12:56Swollen face like one side of her face was swollen
12:59And I gave her a call and I was like hey like since we have to sedate
13:04Your dog for her exam
13:07Why don't we schedule?
13:09Sorry reschedule for the next day in the morning when we can sedate her and if she does need a tooth like one tooth
13:16Extracted we could get that done that day. So she came in at 8 a.m
13:20We sedated her looked at her mouth
13:24And we proceeded into a dental procedure to take that one tooth and then after dental x-rays and the whole dental exam
13:31We ended up extracting anyone want to guess how many teeth? How old is she 14?
13:37With the pretense in our brains that we had done a dental on her within
13:42Yeah, we thought that we'd done a
13:45Up and down we did a dental on this dog like last year up in the same come to find out
13:49They had just like sedated her for something and they thought they did a dental at the same, but not like maybe they talked about it
13:54Which makes you think you did
13:59Mouth we're like, there's no way there was a dental done last year. Guess how many teeth we took we went in for one
14:05like everybody
14:0721 whoa, and one of them just fell out her mouth. I can like smell it. Oh, yeah, it's gonna feel so much
14:14Yeah, so now she's like, of course eating and feeling better. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I bet she's
14:19Yeah, it was very convenient that we just kind of got it all one fell swoop
14:24Great, though. You can fix them and then they're gonna just gonna feel like yeah, I find like health-wise
14:29She is great other than her teeth
14:31And I mean she's older but like her arthritis isn't even that bad like her mouth was bad
14:36Like yeah, I was monitoring and dr. Ham did the dental and she's like Devin look and I turn her
14:41I'm not great with teeth like I have sensitive teeth
14:43So dentals are kind of hard for me, but I turn around and she just like wiggles the canine and pulls it. I was like
14:51It was really bad
14:54She feels probably so much chronic pain. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Mm-hmm. That's a cool case. Mm-hmm
15:00Yeah, it's crazy and good for you guys for getting it done. So you could make the dog feel better
15:05Mm-hmm and good thinking I'm bringing her back in the morning
15:09Yeah, that's awesome, hopefully she doesn't have another dental in her life
15:12Oh, I don't see I think she only has like her incisors. Yeah. Yeah a bottom canine. I think that's it. Yeah
15:20Yeah
15:23No, but it's amazing they'll eat without yeah, yeah, they don't care
15:27Yeah, and she is highly food motivated and driven dog
15:31So she never really like I mean she stopped eating a little bit but yeah
15:37Gosh, okay. All right. Mine was a patient that dr. Poulsen I saw today
15:44So we had someone call and they came in on emergency. So it's a three-year-old British short-haired spayed female cat
15:51she came in on emergency for
15:54Like kind of off breathing. She wasn't moving around a whole lot kind of lethargic just not acting like herself
16:01So I go in the room
16:02And with emergencies usually the technician will assess the situation see if it truly is emergent or not because you never know
16:09So I went in there the cats in the carrier of just chillin. So I talked to the owner
16:13The history was within the last day and a half. She
16:17Her breathing was efforted like abdominal effort with her breathing. She wasn't playing with her housemate as much
16:24She ate breakfast fine this morning
16:27Not on any meds she's on a CD diet, but other than that she's had a pretty clean bill of health her whole life
16:34So I said, okay, let's go ahead I'll take her back. Let dr. Pulse look at her and then we'll come back and update you
16:40So I take her back to x-ray
16:42Just that was the only available area that had oxygen just in case because it was a trouble breathing
16:47So we get her out and she immediately
16:50Starts like I mean her breathing gets pretty rapid and she's getting stressed quickly
16:55She's also a cat that doesn't like to be handled in the clinic, which didn't help anything
16:59So dr. Pulse got her out started listening to her heart and her lungs
17:04Her lungs were pretty crackly
17:06And then she just started open mouth breathing
17:09So I we put her back in the carrier and we said this is better than because she was trying to run from us and
17:15It was just making the situation ten times worse than it needed to be so I put her back in the carrier
17:20I have flow by oxygen on her but not too close because that was stressing her out more
17:25I tried to get an SBO to honor it read like 95 at one point
17:29But then it was 75 and then it was 84. It was on her ear and she was moving. So whatever
17:33So I keep the cat in her carrier. I try to give her as much flow by oxygen as I can
17:38Ten minutes passed while dr. Pulse is talking to the owner just running through like possibilities what we want to do
17:44She's still open mouth breathing like she just cannot calm down every time I get close to her carrier to look at her
17:50Just make sure she's okay. She freaks out tries to get away from me
17:53She kept trying to bolt out of the carrier
17:55So it just the situation like her breathing was already bad. And then when a cat that worked up, it's just worse. Sure
18:02So we decided to give her butorphanol to try to calm her down a little bit. We give it we gave that I am
18:08About 10-15 minutes passed by she's still open mouth breathing like nothing is helping
18:14So then dr. Pulse like okay, maybe let's add in a little alfaxin
18:18So she goes and gets that comes back to the cat room. Well while she's getting that medication
18:24The cat she just starts like flailing in her carrier. She's going in circles
18:28She's panicking like trying to get away just freaked like full-on panic attack
18:33So then I try to get her out and then she starts going agonal
18:36She does the death cry like the death scream the cats do she goes completely agonal?
18:42And then I had so I grabbed her just trying to like stabilize her so she wouldn't hit her head
18:47So she wouldn't fly off the table
18:48So I have another tech trying to get a catheter in or other techs grabbing ET tubes
18:53We got about like everything we can think of
18:56And then she goes limp
18:58And she turns purple and she's not breathing and then fluid just starts pouring
19:03Like I mean pouring and she's a nine-pound cat
19:06Like it was like I feel like it was her body weight and fluid just pouring out of her nose in her mouth
19:11So we rush her to our surgery area where we're more equipped with things
19:16We tried intubating there was so much fluid. We had suction. We had a tech doing actually mouth-to-mouth with her
19:21We were doing chest compressions
19:24We could not give Venus access for people tried. We just couldn't get anything didn't poke the heart either
19:29Yeah, we so we actually we gave atropine and epi intracardiac once
19:34During compression so we stopped him gave that continued compressions
19:39Continue to try to intubate her. We finally got her intubated after a while
19:43And we tried to try we tried to do a second round of epi, but no we couldn't hit her heart that time
19:51So we dr. Pulse was going back and forth updating the owners because they did want us to try everything we could
19:57And then she finally went back and they called it. So she did not make it
20:03but
20:05It's pericardial fusion
20:07plural fusion CHF probably
20:10So it was just it was very chaotic and it just happened so fast
20:13Oh, but like it's or just and then of course people in the situation are beating themselves up
20:18But I'm like she there was I mean we we couldn't have done anything like even if we wanted to x-ray
20:22She probably would have died during x-rays because of how stressed she was already like, yeah
20:27So it was just a really crappy situation and the cat was only three the owners were very very grateful
20:31They were very sweet and they're in the medical fields their understanding but just a really crappy situation
20:38Yeah, I mean cats just don't do well in those situ. I mean they just don't know cuz they already don't like you
20:44And then on top of that they can't breathe
20:45They just like to die anytime that that's which I I was expecting it because of her open mouth and her stress
20:51I was like, I'm like, I'm I was just gonna happen. I was like, yeah
20:54Wait
20:57Like I was just I was like it's she's gonna do it at one point cuz yeah
21:01She'd be out at one point. I was like there it is. But then
21:03Yeah, it was just a crap storm. But our team did fantastic. We moved so fast. We had everything we needed
21:11I mean people in there. Yes, there was no I mean
21:14She wasn't gonna be saved like it was just one of those. Yeah, just totally really crappy. Yeah
21:19I had a feeling it was gonna lead in that too. Yeah. Yeah, so it was a bummer last month for an annual
21:26Oh, yeah, she was in January for an annual blood work was beautiful. Everything is beautiful
21:30She did though. I think you might have done it
21:32We were gonna look into it and I don't think we did
21:35We did recommend an echo for that cat before her spay because of her breed
21:39But I don't know if you I'm pretty sure you did it
21:41Yeah, so but I think that was normal at the time
21:45Yeah, but I mean that these those things happen like that well and with cardiac disease in
21:50Cats, they don't have to have murmurs. So the majority of them don't typically so like to your point of her being in for an annual
21:58She has a I have pets at this cat. I pet pet sit her and her sister all summer every summer and
22:06They have her half-sister
22:09They another she's a British Longhair, but they're like, yeah, we're gonna bring her in like next week for a workup
22:15So it's scary. Yes, sir. Ma. Sorry. She's purebred
22:19British or hair and then they're her sister is like they have one of the same parents. Yeah, so it's a little scary for them
22:27Yeah, PTSD is a real thing. Absolutely
22:30Yeah, when they have that and they have cardiac disease, they're fine until they're not and then all of a sudden they are not
22:35Fine, and it could be anything that sets them into congestive heart failure
22:39They could be at the house and they run down the hallway. Mm-hmm. And now they're in congestive heart failure. Yep
22:44It's this it's it's so different dogs. It's just really interesting. Yeah, it's like one of the I mean we weren't gonna win either way
22:50No, like so like I said, let alone we couldn't even do any diagnostics on this cat
22:55Well, then what it's not you I mean you can't even you know, it's not only that stressed in the clinic
23:00I feel like
23:01Somebody had so I personally hadn't had much experience with her
23:04But other people said she didn't like being handled last month when she was going on annual I got her blood
23:08I did her vaccines like oh, so I mean so she was just really
23:14Yeah, so yeah, that makes sense, yeah
23:17Huh crappy situation. Those are good cases though. Okay
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23:50I'm currently going to be
23:52Attending vet school in the fall and I've always been a large animal person for the times
23:57I've been in small animal med
23:59I've seen a lot of conflict between client and vet when it comes to applying care plans
24:03The question I have is how do you approach clients to have their degree from web MD and aren't taking your knowledge and applying it
24:11I know as vets
24:12We are in the business of people with a side of animals and I want to be an effective communicator on behalf of the animals
24:18I hope to care for much appreciated from Delaney Emerald
24:23Gosh that's a good question. That's a really good question. Yeah. So how do you approach clients that have their degree from the web?
24:30So dr. Google and aren't taking your knowledge and applying it to their pets
24:36That is so difficult because I like off like veterinary
24:41Institution or if they're really gonna get that to them if they're gung-ho about looking on the web, you can give them like reliable
24:49That's a great way to so it sounds like you could say something like so it sounds like you
24:55Have done quite a bit of research on renal failure in cats
24:59You know what? I'd like to do is direct you to some websites that have reliable information
25:05On renal failure. Yeah, and then you'll be a great advocate for blah blah blah blah blah. Yeah, you know
25:12We're saying things like you can say things like
25:15You know, oh, I totally know where you're coming from. That is an old line of thinking that has been
25:21You know dismissed as of now because of this this and this
25:27Yeah, give them facts new research, yeah
25:30Mm-hmm, but ultimately if they're not going to take what you say
25:34And if they're not going to trust you in your judgment and your knowledge, then it's really hard to help them
25:41Yeah, that's what I was gonna say
25:41I was gonna say some owners are just gung-ho on what they read is what it and then I mean we have people who come
25:46In like your battle. Hey, I just I believe garlic takes care of fleas
25:50I'm not doing anything else and you could show them 15 million things pieces of information. It's not going to matter
25:56So like pick your battles, I mean, yeah, absolutely
26:01Sometimes yeah for sure
26:03And I don't see that very often. It's not like it's not like a every single day
26:09Is when it's like someone in the medical profession, but they're not like a doctor
26:14So they have a little bit of knowledge and then there's one client that comes to mind. But yeah, those are always fun conversations
26:21Yeah, like you have one recommendation like what about this medication?
26:24Yeah
26:26Yeah, so I think just continuing again we talked about conversations maybe
26:35So getting good at conversations and then I think also to your point Courtney understanding who you can
26:44Sell to and who you cannot. Yeah, there are some people that doesn't matter
26:47Like I said, don't waste other people that are interested in learning from you. They just truly don't know
26:53Yep, you read it. I mean it's on the internet. So, mm-hmm. Yeah, right. Absolutely. Well, thanks for listening to us by you homework
27:00Gosh, I would not be able to focus
27:08Okay, next one
27:10Hello everyone. I was wondering what y'all's thoughts or insights were on Island schools
27:14Ross
27:16SGU etc
27:17I'm coming to the end of my second cycle of applying and currently have one acceptance to SGU with a couple more schools to hear
27:24Back from just wondering if there is still and a stigma around these schools. Thanks y'all from Emily
27:29I know someone I went to St. George and someone I went to Ross and they both had tremendous experiences
27:35I don't know much about it. Yeah, I would say that I don't think that there's a stigma necessarily around it anymore
27:41Because they've been around for so long
27:42There's been so many classes that have been graduated. The biggest deterrent is cost
27:48You do not want to go unless you absolutely have no other choices
27:52Hmm, or you just are made. Is it tremendously more expensive? Oh, yes
27:56Unless you just made of money and it doesn't matter. Sure then go to an island to go. Yeah
28:00It's like I don't think there's any more. I don't think I just don't think
28:05Yeah, I don't think there is either. Yeah, it's not like your education is less the person. I know that went to Ross
28:11Was like a little while ago and then the person I know that went to st. George was more recent
28:17But they both loved it. Yeah
28:20Yeah
28:22Yeah, so I would use it as your like last resort just because of cost but otherwise I think you're wait by Island School
28:29Do they literally mean schools on an island? Yeah, that's what those are
28:34I
28:35Trust
28:36Yes, it's like in a Caribbean client. Yeah, it's really nice. I would love to experience that like please invite the retin-a-round table
28:44Once again, we are down to come to an island
28:58This isn't necessarily an island
28:59I know that a lot of vet students have been entertaining the idea of going to vet school in Europe just because it's cheaper and
29:04It's yeah, is it is it shorter?
29:09Unless it's an accredited
29:11Institution it's much harder to then come over here and get your license, right because we talked to
29:18Yeah from Mexico
29:20And I think that's part of the problem, right?
29:22If you say there's a shortage of veterinarians, then there should be a faster way to incorporate these veterinarians who have
29:28Training outside of the United States into the United States. Yeah, I mean, they're living huh? Yeah, it's a good point
29:35I do think there's a disease processes that are probably different in another country. Yeah, remember what she told us her tuition was we're all like
29:43Do you remember doctor is like $5 it was ridiculous
29:46Yeah, but I've heard that it's cheaper in Europe and that people go over there for that. Yeah
29:51But then yeah, you run into the problem of coming back here and practicing. Yeah
29:56Hey
29:57Hi, my name is Sophia, right?
29:58I have a 15 year old golden doodle that on
30:012 11 25 how to see our vet because the cyst got infected while me and my mom were there the belt the vet
30:08Felt another lump near his lower jaw on the right side and told us that the lump is either thyroid cancer or salivary gland cancer
30:15The vet said that the lump felt pretty firm in his seven millimeters
30:19Is there anything that we could do to find out exactly what it is?
30:22I'm I think I'm wanting to know because I want to know a little bit more about each
30:27His name is Donovan FNA. Yes. I know aspirates aspirate that
30:32Yeah, I mean you could it's seven millimeters. It's not big. No, so like you could actually do an excisional biopsy
30:39Yeah, unless it was buried like against the larynx
30:42If the FNA is inconclusive do a biopsy but like you should be able to FNA and tell that it's a salivary gland easy
30:47Mm-hmm like that. I mean, it'll be all stringy and yeah, you're looking
30:51But absolutely aspirate it. There's no it's it's non-invasive. The dog's not gonna care
30:57Yeah
30:58Absolutely
30:59Like as he's saying he just straight up. I mean, I know one or the other then there's no way he didn't FNA
31:04I'm wondering what the right like I
31:07Want to know a little bit more about each about what what does that mean about each?
31:11What what can't like whether it's thyroid cancer or salivary? Yeah
31:14So, you know if he did like he wants to know more information about those disease processes from us
31:20No, like he wants to know what it is. So then he can oh so then learn about those things
31:25Okay, got it. The dog has one of the other. Okay. Got it, right? That's how I read
31:29Yes, she was I'm thinking the dog's a boy and then I'm talking as if her name is Sophia, right?
31:34Yeah, I'm calling her a guy. Sorry Sophia
31:36Donovan's the dog Donovan's the guy Donovan. So yeah, I mean geez just aspirated. It'll take two seconds
31:42Yeah
31:42if you already did you think that
31:45What do you think the chances are that the vet did aspirate it and the differentials or thyroid cancer or salivary gland cancer?
31:50Then he didn't send it into a histopathic to get histopathology
31:54So you could take that and put it on the imagist. Mm-hmm, or you would send it into the lab
31:58yeah, and then the
32:00Pathologist should tell you. Yeah, if the pathologist did not know whether it was problem. That's I don't think that's that's pop
32:07I just don't think that's would have happened. They're two different
32:12Like seeing whether it's a salivary gland like yeah, they said they seem like they would be. Yeah, pretty I was gonna say lower jaw
32:18Like could it be?
32:20Because I would think she would have said the vet said the lump was firm she aspirated it and
32:24Like a x-ray be beneficial at all. Yeah, I mean seven millimeters. You guys think about I mean seven millimeters is yeah
32:32It's tiny
32:37Centimeters which would be I am maybe three inches so that would be more like yeah, right which
32:44Maybe that's what but I mean, I'm going with what she said
32:47Yeah, I think it's millimeters get rid of that sucker if it's if it's at all located in the subcutaneous space just yeah
32:55Thing but yeah, but at least aspirate it. Yeah. Yeah. There's our final answer. Yes, absolutely
33:03Shall I you shall
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