Luis González, politólogo e internacionalista y sinólogo planteo que el tema de los aranceles nunca ha funcionado refiriéndose al tema del presidente Donald Trump ante las exenciones a los aranceles.
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00:00Let's go to the televidentes, the Telematutino 11 started on Monday.
00:27Thank you, Lord, for giving us the opportunity to be able to come to your homes.
00:32Good morning to everyone, have a happy week. Good morning, Jacqueline Morel.
00:36Good morning, Ramon. Good morning, Dominican Republic.
00:38Welcome to Telematutino 11, Monday, March 17.
00:42A week has started.
00:43Well, Ramon, you can already feel the change, a small change, even though it's always summer here.
00:48But the sun is already coming out, much earlier.
00:52We welcome you with the wish that this is a week that you take advantage of,
00:57as we also plan to do, because the days go by and do not return.
01:01So, welcome.
01:02We are going to comment, as always, on the news, some important issues of the country and the world.
01:07Today we have as a guest Mr. Luis González, a professor, a political scientist and an internationalist.
01:13So we invite you to be with us this morning. Welcome.
01:16I have a friend who says that he thinks that the days have 16 hours.
01:20Because the problem he had today is Monday, and the weekend is coming quickly.
01:26Incredible.
01:26That's right, that's right.
01:27Gentlemen, and definitely in the Dominican Republic we have a pandemic of tragic accidents.
01:34Only this weekend there were about nine deaths from accidents that could have been avoided.
01:40For example, two boys on the Coral highway, on an engine,
01:45were hit by a larger vehicle, the son of a university professor.
01:54In Paya, a vehicle also hit a driver, the driver died, and the two people.
02:02The vehicle that crashed in the corner of my house and flew through the air and fell,
02:09there we have the image, it fell in the tunnel of Dr. De Fillo, with 26 hours.
02:15Listen, if a vehicle had passed there at that moment.
02:19No, it's a terrible tragedy.
02:20Because look, that heavy vehicle was destroyed, there were a couple of injuries.
02:26There was another case of a young woman who was going on an excursion,
02:29she left a guagua, the daughter of a communicator, when she was going to ride the guagua, she was dressed.
02:35And there was another case, I saw it, because I was going east,
02:38of a collision of two vehicles, one burned and the person died.
02:45The bad thing was the show, I saw the burn on the ground without a sheet, without being covered.
02:52That show of a dead person and an agglomeration with an incredible traffic jam from west to east.
03:00That's just a sample of what's happening on our roads.
03:04There is an interview with the Minister of the Interior, Farideh Rafaul,
03:10which offers a number of statistical data of the accidents, of the participation of the engines.
03:16But the authorities have not just done it, I don't see patrols on the roads.
03:22They talk about alcohol meters, but I don't see the alcohol meters,
03:25nor do I see the devices to detect the speed.
03:28Look, Ramon, there are many issues,
03:30and it is undeniable that the weekends and the holidays,
03:34and especially Sundays, have become days when we receive a lot of tragic news.
03:40And it is a shame that we have so much time, that we have so much time talking about such a high incidence
03:45of traffic accidents in the Dominican Republic,
03:48without until now, after many studies, there being something to do to stop them.
03:55To stop them, either with the issue of fines,
03:59or with the issue of greater control of...
04:03Listen, there are vehicles that should not be circulating,
04:06there are people who do not meet the conditions to drive,
04:09not even an engine, not even a truck, not even anything.
04:13So there are many things that must be faced.
04:16There is a lack of lighting, also, signaling, there are no consequences.
04:22And in the meantime, hospitals, especially trauma hospitals,
04:25are full on the weekends, Ramon.
04:28Look, it is a shame, Darío Contreras, the director, reported that, for example,
04:35368 emergencies were attended on the weekend,
04:38and 63 were due to traffic accidents, and that is very high, that is a lot of people.
04:43And it costs, what it costs...
04:45And what it costs is a traumatized person.
04:47A traumatized person, that costs a lot of money, the treatment and the recovery.
04:50Look, and it is a shame, because, well, I am going to ask our friend and advisor,
04:55Candido Mercedes, to write a little about this issue.
04:59To see what happens to us, because we have improved many things,
05:02but why this behavior, which takes so many lives,
05:05and which really puts us in fatal figures,
05:09in fatal figures worldwide, of the occurrence of traffic accidents.
05:13In a country that we have had growth,
05:18the country is not the same as it was 20 or 30 years ago.
05:21Because we also have good roads, a complicated country.
05:24Well, yes, but many things happen here that need to be corrected.
05:29So, why this high incidence of accidents?
05:33And I am going to tell you, I recently had an incident on the Duarte highway,
05:41after Bonao, there between Bonao and Pedro Bran,
05:45one of the tires of my vehicle exploded.
05:49And listen to me, I was practically robbed.
05:53In that area, that you look to the left and to the right,
05:56and what you see are trees, there is no walkway there.
05:59Some people came to assist me, because I didn't even realize when the tire exploded.
06:04And they robbed me.
06:07There is no guard.
06:08You had to pay what they said to change the tire.
06:11No, but they didn't change it.
06:13No, it was a roadside assistance from a prestigious insurance company,
06:18that someone did me a favor, that I am eternally grateful for that.
06:22And that's why I was able to solve it.
06:25But there is no protection.
06:28If there is no police patrol.
06:29No, and if they come, the citizens come to rob you.
06:33And another thing, if you are a traffic police, you have to be careful.
06:39There are many who do their job, but the practice of bribery still persists.
06:45If you greet them with something, they don't put a fine on your hand.
06:50And then, with that criterion, not only pay the fine,
06:54but you still have to do many things.
06:57The pandemic of motorists.
07:00I am, to turn right or left, I check the rearview mirror first.
07:05Because normally, you are going to turn left,
07:08and the motorist behind you, he overtakes you in a timid way.
07:14When you see a traffic light, I tell my children,
07:17don't start, look at both sides.
07:20Even if it is in one direction, the traffic, because the motorist can overtake you.
07:24Here they also drive very badly, very badly.
07:26The law is violated permanently.
07:28But no, there are people who are chatting or talking,
07:31and here unnecessary obstacles are made because of bad driving.
07:36There are people who don't meet the requirements to drive on the streets.
07:40And I'm going to tell you, it will sound ugly,
07:43there are many countries that have thousands and millions of motorcycles,
07:47and there are not so many accidents.
07:49But given the fact that here the motorcycles are the ones that cause the most accidents
07:56and tragic deaths,
07:57will we have to check, Ramon, if we put a control, a brake,
08:01so that they don't matter so much, or a limit for the sale?
08:05I don't know, but something will have to be done.
08:08At least demand that they have lighting.
08:10Sometimes at night I go on the road,
08:14don't you see a motor with lighting?
08:16No, man.
08:17And there are very few who use plates.
08:22And they don't wear helmets.
08:23There are so many things that have to be done, but we don't do them, gentlemen.
08:27Death is going to be the main cause,
08:29above all the accidents, the road accidents, the deaths,
08:34above all the crime.
08:36That's an incredible thing.
08:38In a country of medium development,
08:40we have good means of communication,
08:43and it's not understood when we compare it to other Latin American countries,
08:48and even to the countries of Africa.
08:50Look, Ramon, as you mentioned,
08:52Ms. Farideh Raful, former senator and current Minister of Interior and Police,
08:57was in an activity in El Listín Diario, and she reviews it extensively.
09:02She gave many explanations on the subject,
09:05with statistical data, of the traffic accidents.
09:09And she went on the one hand, and we believe that it is correct,
09:13but we understand that it is not only that, what has to be done,
09:15but what she is proposing is correct,
09:18and that is the charge, the obligation to pay the traffic fines.
09:23Here, the fines are according to...
09:27One day, there is no...
09:30You don't know exactly when you are going to be fined,
09:34because it is not clear what the violation is,
09:37that the DGZ understands that it is a fine.
09:40It depends, if they are chatting,
09:42or eating an orange, a Chinese, in the corner,
09:46you can bend and do whatever you want, and nothing happens.
09:48The public transport vehicles do everything,
09:51they separate, they don't get any fine.
09:55The conch cars, neither.
09:57So, I'm going to tell you one thing,
09:59it's okay that you have to pay the fines, but we have to have the rules clear.
10:04Farideh talks about a modification of Law 163.17 of Transit and Mobility, yes,
10:10but that must also be accompanied by a change in the dynamics
10:13of how the process is done, what the fines are,
10:18because when the government is in the campaign,
10:21the governments don't impose fines, you know, they take them away.
10:25In addition, the fine is for everyone who violates the law, not just the drivers.
10:29Exactly, and everyone who violates the law.
10:31So, I understand that the fines must be paid,
10:34but we have to do other additional things, our dear Farideh.
10:39Not just the modification of the law.
10:41Well, today there is a date that one has to remember,
10:44and that is that today is the 51st anniversary of the murder of Orlando Martínez,
10:48a distinguished journalist.
10:50At just 31 years old, he was the executive director of the magazine Hora,
10:55the famous magazine Hora, which was directed by Dr. Molina Murillo,
10:58but he was also a columnist for the newspaper El Nacional.
11:02He was a victim of the military confrontations of that time,
11:07because he was murdered by a military group.
11:11And we have to recognize that it has never been recognized
11:15that if that case came to its last consequences,
11:18and there were prisoners, and there are prisoners,
11:20it is due to Dr. Castillo Pantaleón,
11:23who opened the case at the instance of Orlando Martínez's family,
11:27and he had years until finally, until finally,
11:32Mariano Duran, who was the one who shot him in the cheek,
11:37and he was shot dead by General Joaquín Pau Castro,
11:43Alfredo Lluveres Ricard, who was one of the criminals,
11:47and Isidoro Martínez, who was taken there,
11:53but Joaquín Pau Castro at some point said that Pérez y Pérez,
11:59the general, was involved,
12:03Luis Emilio de la Rosa, who was an innocent man,
12:07who was taken there, he was the one who was least told,
12:10he said it was Chinino, Lluveres Monta, who gave the order,
12:13but those two were never taken to trial.
12:16Pau Castro died in prison, but I reiterate,
12:19that case was given by Dr. Castillo Pantaleón,
12:23who took responsibility, prepared the file,
12:27and some of those involved paid for the crime,
12:32and I will tell you that it was reopened in 1995,
12:36and Dr. Joaquín Balaguer was still governing,
12:39and the case began, the aspirations of the family,
12:42especially of the mother, was that Balaguer was interrogated,
12:45especially because it was in his government that the crime occurred,
12:48and also that, well, after the dictatorship,
12:52in the governments of the 12 years, there was still a lot of repression,
12:56and many, we already know what happened, many died,
12:59not only was it Orlando Martínez who silenced his voice,
13:02but also other journalists.
13:05Orlando is remembered as a symbol,
13:08Orlando was also a leftist militant,
13:11he was from the Dominican Communist Party,
13:14and it is a symbolic crime that is remembered,
13:17and that Balaguer, in his work, Memories of a Courtesan,
13:20it was in that work,
13:23he left a blank page,
13:26in relation to the murder of Orlando Martínez,
13:29and he obviously had all the data,
13:32information, that there was a piece that was never known.
13:35More than one person,
13:38they say they have that blank page, Ramón,
13:41saved, voila, they are encouraged,
13:44and for history, before those people
13:47physically disappear from this earthly plane,
13:50let them know it, and that space is covered.
13:53Orlando is remembered for telling the truth,
13:56you should not blind a person's life,
13:59or because he does not think as we do,
14:02we think it is a reason to pay with your life.
14:05How good that we live in a regime of vast freedom,
14:08too much, because there are people who speak things they should not speak,
14:11unlike other countries in the region
14:14where journalists are still murdered.
14:17There are countries in the region where being a journalist
14:20represents a danger to your life.
14:23On the other hand, Dr. Leonel Fernández continues to travel
14:26in the interior, he was in Montecristo,
14:29he continues to swear people who leave the party
14:32of Dominican liberation, and he referred in Montecristo
14:35to the issue of undocumented traffic,
14:38every now and then you see that the authorities
14:41catch a vehicle that is for five people,
14:44and there are fifteen Haitians, or jipetas.
14:47Now, you have never seen the conviction of that trafficker,
14:50nor have you seen that the vehicle has been seized,
14:53that is, there is no sanction,
14:56and that is why the traffic continues, says Dr. Leonel Fernández,
14:59that in case he reaches the government,
15:02he is going to end the traffic,
15:05and it can be ended with traffic,
15:08because you simply have to punish, you have to condemn
15:11to what is said in that practice.
15:14Ramón, I'm going to tell you one thing,
15:17I agree with Dr. Leonel Fernández,
15:20that with political will, it is possible to greatly reduce
15:23this illegal undocumented traffic,
15:26but Ramón, the Haitians did not begin to come
15:29in the government of Abinader,
15:32the traffic has been here for a long time,
15:35and it has increased a lot in the governments of the party
15:38of Dominican liberation, which did not give importance
15:41to this issue, the transcendence,
15:44despite the warnings of what this implied,
15:47they did not stop that.
15:50I understand that after 2010 and after the disaster
15:53of the murder of Juvenal Moines,
15:56that traffic has increased due to the presence of the gangs,
15:59but now at least the press reviews
16:02that there have been several submissions,
16:05I don't know if there have been convictions,
16:08but the issue is more visible now than before,
16:11to our humble understanding,
16:14and I repeat, that flow and that presence
16:17that we have, how many, if we divide it
16:20between governments, how many?
16:23Because I remember, in addition to Abinader now,
16:26that it has been necessary to expose the issue
16:29to international organizations and their chancellor,
16:32Joaquín Balaguer was the one who was hardest on that issue.
16:36Dr. Leonel Fernández was very diplomatic
16:39with a bilateral commission that never worked.
16:42Balaguer imported Bracero, that is,
16:45the Haitian presence here dates,
16:48obviously the situation in Haiti now,
16:51is not the situation in Haiti at the time of the PLD government,
16:54that is, in the governments of Leonel and Danilo
16:57there were no armed gangs in Haiti,
17:00and there was a certain relative political stability
17:04with coups d'état and military that governed,
17:07or governments, for example, like Preval,
17:10which was a government quite friendly with the Dominican Republic,
17:13but the situation in Haiti has reached a point
17:16in which it is serious for the Dominican Republic,
17:19because there is no government, we have armed gangs,
17:22we have murders, we have kidnappings,
17:25we have rapes, so now,
17:28now there can be no soft hand with that case.
17:31Yes, but also before it was very lax.
17:34Those relations with Preval,
17:37with a bilateral commission, but Dr. Leonel Fernández
17:40lived it in his own flesh,
17:43he was the first one who went to Haiti
17:46after the 2010 earthquake to help,
17:49and how did they pay him? Stabbing him in the back with a knife,
17:52remember, and the idea arose
17:55that I never agreed, and I said it in this program,
17:58I was born in a country after an earthquake,
18:01I went to a university, I would have liked a hospital more,
18:04for example, but nothing, and how did they receive them?
18:07Terrible, but it was very lax,
18:10that bilateral commission,
18:13remember, to see the issues together,
18:16it never worked, and that was given long, long,
18:19and what Binader found was really a problem
18:22that worsened with all this.
18:25I say that now it is doing more than before,
18:28but it is not enough.
18:31Every day we have more Haitians in the Dominican Republic.
18:34Take the year 2012,
18:37when Dr. Leonel Fernández left power,
18:40that was 14 years ago, you didn't see so many Haitians on the streets,
18:43nor was the construction taken by Haitians,
18:46nor was the informality taken by Haitians,
18:49nor the tourism.
18:52There was a presence of 2 million Haitians,
18:55of 3 million Haitians, and the threat...
18:58The census or something like that,
19:01or the data that you have, that not so many,
19:04however, the presence of Haitians is very notorious.
19:07Go out to the street and what you will find is Haitians on the street.
19:10When I come to the Canal,
19:13I see that descent of Haitians
19:16that go to the constructions,
19:19that are taken by Haitians,
19:22and tourism and agriculture,
19:25there is a presence,
19:28but we see it in maternities,
19:31we see it, the Dominican boys do not find pupitres
19:34because they are occupied by Haitians.
19:37And if this continues,
19:40I do not tire of repeating that in 10 years
19:43there will be more Haitians than Dominicans here.
19:46There is no condition,
19:49there is no impediment for anyone to buy properties
19:52without any rigor.
19:55I do not say depuration or anything like that.
19:58The truth is that those who comply with the requirements
20:01have to give them their documents
20:04or have to give them their employment contract.
20:07And those who do not have to be deported.
20:10But those who do have their rights, we have to respect them.
20:13We are talking at an international level
20:16that pays little attention.
20:19261 deported from the United States arrived in El Salvador.
20:22It is said that of those,
20:25137 were from the so-called Aragua train.
20:28They are Venezuelans
20:31who do not send them to Venezuela
20:34because in Venezuela they are going to release them.
20:37But since Venezuela stopped buying oil,
20:40they are going to rot in jail.
20:43But there were also deported
20:46who were not from the Aragua train gang,
20:49but simply Venezuelans
20:52who were illegal in the United States.
20:55And how without a criminal process?
20:58There was even a federal judge
21:01who prohibited Trump's support
21:04in an 18th century law,
21:07but they were deported.
21:10And what about human rights?
21:13Because there must be a process
21:16for a person to be put in jail.
21:19And what about amnesty?
21:22No, amnesty says nothing.
21:25Amnesty has already fallen.
21:28Amnesty only worked for the Dominican Republic.
21:31The United States is going to pay a fee for these prisoners.
21:34But it's good for us.
21:37And there we are.
21:40And Ivo, who is a great ally of the United States in the area.
21:43A great ally.
21:46Well, since international issues are so important,
21:49we have to have a space,
21:52a content in which we will always have experts in that area.
21:55In this case, Luis González, who is very well known,
21:58he is an academic, he is a diplomat,
22:01but he is an expert in international issues,
22:04especially he is a sinologist.
22:07He is an expert in China.
22:10China today is an important issue
22:13with the issue of the Arancelaria war,
22:16with the Tarifaria war.
22:19In a few moments we will be with Luis González.
22:31In a few moments we will be with Luis González.
23:01In a few moments we will be with Luis González.
23:08The interview of Telematutino 11,
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23:14What is more important than the international issue,
23:17than the global issue, is accompanied by Luis González.
23:20Academic, diplomat, political scientist,
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23:35Good morning, professor.
23:38Good morning, professor.
23:41These events vary from day to day.
23:44In an interview with Luis, 15 days ago,
23:47the panorama was totally different,
23:50because the moon was still honey.
23:53Now it turns out that Trump's measures
23:56such as inflation or stanflation,
23:59the war on tariffs seems not to be so simple.
24:02And in the case of China,
24:05it was not only a 10.
24:08There was a 10 from the first government,
24:11plus 10, plus 10, goes to 30.
24:14Now China is imposing tariffs on North American exports.
24:17How do you see the panorama, Luis González?
24:20Well, first of all, I would like to reiterate
24:23my gratitude for the invitation on a special day,
24:26starting the week with global issues.
24:29That has never resulted, Ramón.
24:32That was what brought,
24:35even as a consequence,
24:38review the history of President Hoover
24:41of the United States,
24:44it is what brings as a consequence
24:47the Great Depression of 1929.
24:50I try to do that,
24:53because I believe that by imposing tariffs
24:56the investment will come to your country.
24:59I think it is a bit of a puerile idea,
25:02because it is not so simple.
25:05If those companies decide to come
25:08from the automotive industry,
25:11resume the greatness
25:14that the United States had in Detroit, for example,
25:17that is no longer so simple,
25:20because setting up all that to be at the same level
25:23as Germany, China and Japan,
25:26and Korea,
25:29with two major brands,
25:32to put a single case, the automotive case,
25:35that is not so simple.
25:38And in the case, following the automotive case,
25:41it is also added that allies
25:44for the production of a car in the United States
25:47are also Mexico and Canada,
25:50for the same issue of the agreement
25:53they have.
25:56Attacking Mexico, Canada and the whole world
25:59so that it attracts you the investment
26:02and you can produce internally,
26:05that is what is behind that,
26:08in addition to the fact that it is supposed
26:11that this idea will not give the result he expects.
26:14I am one of those who say that we hope so,
26:17because the United States is growing,
26:20the economic power from the nominal point of view
26:23of the planet, we have many Dominicans
26:26who are watching us now,
26:29who contribute to our economy.
26:32If the United States grows, if the employment returns to the United States,
26:35the region will also grow, and to a certain extent the world too.
26:38I don't think it will be possible
26:41to make the United States great.
26:44I think it has to change the way.
26:47Deep down, I have always said
26:50that it is not bad that a president
26:53wants to make his country great,
26:56but not on the basis of atrophy,
26:59on the basis of dismantling an international order
27:02that was precisely promoted by the United States
27:05and Europe, a world governed by rules,
27:08by multilateral diplomacy,
27:11and all this is being thrown away
27:14with these attitudes of President Donald Trump.
27:17However, Professor,
27:20I think the last article you wrote
27:23in a digital media, but very important in the country,
27:26you recounted what had been
27:29the 40-odd days of Trump in front of the government,
27:32and you said at that time
27:35that it was the best thing that could happen,
27:38that Trump was the president of the United States
27:41and spoke of what he had done, of the executive orders,
27:44and everything else, but in a certain way,
27:47with what has happened later,
27:50perhaps the vision you had about it
27:53has changed, or has it changed?
27:56No, no, it has not changed.
28:00Of course, the United States and the world,
28:03with respect to what had happened,
28:06with respect to those Democrats and Kamala Harris,
28:09today we would be in the third world war
28:12with the Democrats in power,
28:15and today the United States would be worse
28:18than with all the situations,
28:21but of course, of course.
28:24I think he should change his way a little.
28:27You said in the State of the Union
28:30that he was Donald Trump's fifth,
28:33you praised him and said that he had done a lot more
28:36than perhaps his predecessors.
28:39No, no, I even said that he says,
28:42according to what he himself says,
28:45I have done more in these 42 days,
28:4843 days, than some presidents in 4 and 8 years.
28:51And I said, we would have to see the history,
28:54because you know that he is a little megalomaniac
28:57and he has said, I have done more in these days.
29:00Now, from the point of view of action, of initiatives,
29:03of placing the world, of drawing the attention of the planet,
29:06in that sense, yes, and that, to a certain extent,
29:09brings changes that are positive,
29:12as you raise, Mr. Ramón, from the economic point of view,
29:15at the moment, the results must be seen.
29:18As it started in the form, I don't see it well,
29:21but I reiterate, Jacqueline, among those options
29:24that the United States had, if it had been Robert Kennedy Jr.,
29:27the Democratic candidate,
29:30I would understand that the Democrats could have had
29:33a way out, an alternative,
29:36but with Kamala Harris and the same group
29:39of wokeism and everything that the planet was carrying,
29:42gentlemen, things were not going well.
29:45I think that, and there I quote a little,
29:48to use a play on words,
29:51do you remember when Bill Clinton was a candidate,
29:54that in the face of what was happening,
29:57the advisor told him, it is the stupid economy,
30:00do you remember? It is the stupid economy,
30:03the economy influences, but I have said that more than the economy,
30:06it is the stupid policy, it is the policy
30:09that decides the future of a country and a planet.
30:12And in the United States, with this strong,
30:15determined policy, of course, where does it want to go?
30:18Let's see what will happen.
30:21At least there are changes. With these people,
30:24as we are, the world, there will be no kind of change.
30:27It will deepen, continue to pressure the Russian-Ukrainian war,
30:30which now, at least, is looking for a way out.
30:33We would be on the verge of a third world war
30:36and the United States would not have any possibility
30:39of economic growth
30:42with what was going on, gentlemen.
30:45It was a breath for the United States and for the world.
30:48But the world is less hostile now.
30:51What does it do with the Democrats?
30:54Of course, yes, of course,
30:57because now, at least, it is looking for a way out.
31:00What it is doing is, a Europe that is in a transition,
31:03a Europe that does not find itself,
31:06what it wants is to continue to pressure and maintain a war
31:09that does not bring anything to Europe, first of all.
31:12Europe is getting worse and worse from an economic, social,
31:15political point of view, without leadership.
31:18It does not have leadership.
31:21If you look at the leadership of Europe,
31:24Macron has lost his last two elections,
31:27but he remains there because he is a president.
31:30But he lost the elections in Parliament,
31:33then he called an internal election, he lost it,
31:36then he calls a prime minister.
31:39That is not leadership, that is not what it needs.
31:42So, a man without any kind of validity in his own people
31:45is taking initiative to bring the world to war.
31:48The same person from the United Kingdom,
31:51if you look at the numbers internally,
31:54he does not even have the support of his own people and he is calling.
31:57In Germany, what just happened?
32:00Frederic Metz won
32:04the Social Christian election,
32:07where Angela Merkel was in front.
32:10And in second place, with a 21%,
32:13the alternative for Germany,
32:16and since they are radical,
32:19they will not even allow him to be part of the government.
32:22That is not democracy.
32:25Democracy is respecting the popular will,
32:28because all that argument that this is to prevent
32:31fascism from coming, Meloni came to Italy
32:34with that speech, they did not want to let it pass,
32:37the argument was the same. In the end, they had to accept
32:40and there is Meloni governing, because that is not true
32:43that Nazism and fascism will return
32:46because a proposal arrives
32:49different from this group
32:52that is in front of Europe.
32:55And I reiterate that it is not democracy.
32:59The people have wanted him to be a candidate,
33:02Khalil Giorgescu. They voted for him in November,
33:05on November 6. They suspended the elections.
33:08Now that he has a 40%, they disable him.
33:11That is not democracy.
33:14You have to look at all that.
33:17But going back to your question, I think the world
33:20is now better than how it was
33:23with the pressure of a NATO,
33:26with the pressure of those groups
33:29to pressure in a military way
33:35the greatest military power
33:41on the planet, which is Russia.
33:44I am talking about nuclear.
33:47It is better than Germany.
33:50Now Russia, with all 21,000 sanctions,
33:53surpasses the IMF.
33:56It surpassed Germany,
33:59which is the only European economy
34:02that is in those first groups.
34:05If you look at the nominal GDP,
34:08the United States, China, then Japan, India,
34:11and then Russia, and then Germany.
34:14At the moment, economically, Russia is better than Germany.
34:17But not to mention other aspects.
34:21That is why I say that the G7 is no longer the G7.
34:24If you look at the first ten countries,
34:27most of the European countries
34:30are in the G7.
34:33Germany is in the G6.
34:36Then the others are in the G10.
34:39Italy, the UK, France.
34:42The world has changed.
34:45I think we should look for a kind of global pact.
34:49We have to understand that it is acting,
34:52as I told you, in a way that I do not agree with.
34:55But deep down, it is what a leader has to do for his countries.
34:58It is what he has to propose,
35:01to bring investment,
35:04which in fact is what he has done.
35:07While in Europe, Macron and Stalin were meeting
35:10to talk about continuing to support the war,
35:13at that time, Donald Trump was receiving
35:17the most important semiconductor company on the planet.
35:20Taiwan.
35:23It has 97% of the global market
35:26of the most important microchips.
35:29It is going to invest $150 billion in Arizona.
35:32At that moment, when these people were talking
35:35about continuing the war,
35:38I think that is the path the planet should take.
35:41Instead of focusing, because luckily Donald Trump
35:44is not an employee of the military complex.
35:47He is not going to have to give up.
35:50In fact, he has been giving up a little
35:53because he is calling for an increase of 5%.
35:56The NATO countries are in defense.
35:59And who is going to buy those weapons from him?
36:02The United States.
36:05What he wants is for them to pay
36:08for the growth of their military complex
36:11What is the United States doing?
36:14We are going to take a break.
36:17We still have many cases.
36:20We still have Ukraine, China and the Dominican Republic.
36:23We will be back in a few minutes.
36:41We continue in Telematutino 11.
36:44This morning we are talking
36:47with Mr. Luis González,
36:50an academic, political scientist and internationalist.
36:53At an international level,
36:56it is the subject of how we see the world,
36:59but also how we see the world
37:02and how we see the world as a whole.
37:05Luis González,
37:08an academic, political scientist and internationalist.
37:11At an international level,
37:14it is the subject of how we see the world,
37:17but also how the world sees us
37:20and the statistics.
37:23And there is a fatal one for the Dominican Republic
37:26that we have to pay close attention to.
37:29Because of our image and because we are a tourist country
37:32and because there are citizens who need to live
37:35in a country with a smaller population,
37:38with a lower level of education
37:41and even countries that are much later than ours.
37:44This global nuance of this local situation,
37:47Professor, how can it impact us?
37:50In addition to what we have already said.
37:53Well, definitely, Jacqueline.
37:56It is a health issue.
37:59That is why this issue is linked to the World Health Organization.
38:02Well, recently they just organized
38:05a forum, a ministerial conference
38:08in Morocco, in Marrakech,
38:11where the numbers were presented.
38:14And it is unfortunate that the Dominican Republic,
38:17which was represented by the Director of INTRAN,
38:20Milton Morrison, I think he made a good representation of the country.
38:23But now what people want
38:26are results to see how,
38:29because we have become number 3,
38:32number 4, then 2, now we are number 1
38:35in traffic accidents in the Republic,
38:38on the planet.
38:41In the region of Latin America and on the planet,
38:44I think countries like Zimbabwe,
38:47those are the countries in which we are more or less competing,
38:50in Africa, Venezuela here, Thailand.
38:53While the countries that have
38:56controlled that are the Nordics,
38:59the four, Finland, Norway, Sweden,
39:02Denmark, Germany
39:05and Japan. Japan is number 1
39:08in less accidents.
39:11That is why the JICA,
39:14which is the cooperation agency of Japan,
39:17is supporting INTRAN in a project,
39:20gentlemen, that in the future, soon,
39:23we want to see the results.
39:26But the fundamental issue are the drivers.
39:2987% of all accidents involve,
39:32you mentioned it at the beginning of the program,
39:35I heard you, involve a driver.
39:38And why is that?
39:41Because the rules are not being respected.
39:44Drivers are not being respected
39:47in traffic lights,
39:50because they are not as regulated as they should be.
39:53And there is no consequence.
39:56I think that's where we should try.
39:59It's going to be reduced a lot,
40:02because a driver provokes,
40:05that's why they say,
40:08it's not that 87% of the deaths are all drivers,
40:11but they are linked to them.
40:14You can be in your car,
40:17but you are not going to be able to drive.
40:20So I think there should be a more educational approach.
40:23INTRAN is now carrying out the campaign
40:26C Conscientes,
40:29but we will see how we can make
40:32each of the Dominicans become aware.
40:35But that is beyond a public policy.
40:38It is how there are consequences,
40:41not only to be aware,
40:44that there are real consequences, not entangled, not at the moment,
40:49not that suddenly today DGZ comes out to pick up people,
40:53but that it is constant and permanent.
40:56There is a predictability that if something is done outside of what is put at risk
41:01or is in conflict with the traffic law, then it receives the corresponding sanction.
41:07And there is not.
41:08Look at Mrs. Evria who killed a young woman.
41:11She is already released.
41:12That stayed that way.
41:13I want to go to China.
41:16You are an expert there.
41:17I thank you very much.
41:19It was delicious.
41:20You gave it to me and I already ate it.
41:22Luis, China's growth is undeniable.
41:26In fact, the GDP compared to the capacity of the purchasing power of China
41:32has already surpassed that of the United States.
41:34It produces a very cheap artificial intelligence,
41:38the DEPCIC, compared to the GDP.
41:41But there is a commercial war that seems not to be going backwards.
41:49There was even talk on both sides of a war that does not seem feasible
41:54because they are two nuclear powers.
41:57How do you think that relationship is going to be managed
42:00if it continues like this throughout the Trump administration
42:03and any other administration?
42:05Because Biden also kept the clues.
42:08I am more optimistic.
42:10I think that when the first government of Donald Trump was ending,
42:15remember, before the pandemic was declared in January 2020,
42:21there was already an agreement to end that commercial war.
42:25Because what Donald Trump is doing, that is his way.
42:28He is pressuring us to see what he gets.
42:31Because the truth is that there is a gap.
42:34There is a gap because China produces more and sells more.
42:38And cheaper.
42:39As is happening even with a country close to him, which is Canada and Mexico.
42:43It is that the United States has dismantled, gentlemen,
42:46that is what they have to review internally.
42:48But it is not Donald Trump who is going to achieve it in four years.
42:51They have been dismantling for 30 years,
42:54dismantling to win, to produce cheaper
42:58and to have more profits, the big oligarchs,
43:03which there are also in the United States.
43:05So that is what is happening.
43:08The United States is running out of production.
43:11And China, contrary to that, which is the issue,
43:15has become the world's factory.
43:17First.
43:18Who did it manufacture?
43:20Precisely the United States.
43:22And the investment was American.
43:24They were not Chinese factories.
43:26The workforce was Chinese.
43:28The place where it was being produced was made in China,
43:31or made in China, as you want to say.
43:33But in the end they were American products.
43:36Of course, cheap because of the consumption culture
43:40that these Western countries have.
43:42Especially the United States.
43:44So China, over time, later became,
43:47from the plan, because they have quinquennal plans,
43:50you know it very well,
43:51since 1949 it started,
43:55and already in 1954 quinquennal plans begin.
44:00Every five years a plan.
44:02In the quinquennal plan of 2008,
44:06after it came out of that real estate crisis
44:10of the United States that brought the global crisis,
44:12China raised two things.
44:15First, to accelerate the domestic market,
44:19to depend less on the external market.
44:22And second.
44:23Did it succeed?
44:24Well, in fact, it has succeeded so much
44:28that it affects all this,
44:32but not as much as a dependent economy.
44:36So the other element was to stop being
44:38only a world factory.
44:40And it also became produced and made in China.
44:45That's what has happened, gentlemen.
44:47What has happened is that China has proposed
44:49what it has achieved now,
44:50because they are disciplined and they achieve it.
44:52That is why they have already seen that
44:55they have woken up a little late.
44:57China surpassed in 5G,
44:59it was already going for 6G a while ago.
45:01China is in quantum,
45:05quantum computing, gentlemen.
45:08That is a quantum leap,
45:11as the expression says.
45:13It is incredible what will happen
45:15when the world ceases to depend
45:17only on traditional computing.
45:20And China is already very advanced in this area.
45:23Artificial intelligence,
45:25without having the most important microchips
45:27that people have on this side of the world,
45:30especially in the United States,
45:31because Europe has also lagged behind
45:33in that debate.
45:34So that's why China is achieving that.
45:37And also in other sectors,
45:39in production,
45:40if you look for the top ten in food production,
45:44of any type of food,
45:45China is among the first places.
45:47If not the largest rice producer,
45:50it is the second or the third.
45:52It is there.
45:53That is why,
45:54with a total of 1,450 million inhabitants,
45:58it has already declared the eradication
46:00of extreme poverty,
46:01because it produces to feed,
46:03and in some cases it can even export
46:05food to neighboring countries.
46:08What is missing from China?
46:10Energy,
46:11and precisely thanks to the Russian-Ukrainian war,
46:15it has strengthened its relations with Russia
46:18in that sense,
46:19and it already has a greater flow
46:23of fossil fuels.
46:26But also,
46:27China is investing,
46:28and it is the number one,
46:29it has already surpassed Tesla
46:31in electric cars.
46:33BYD is a brand,
46:34to mention a brand,
46:35but there are hundreds of brands
46:37that China has.
46:38I went to Chongqing about 8 or 10 years ago
46:42and wrote an article.
46:43At that time,
46:44China was already producing electric cars,
46:48because those brands were not known here,
46:50and facilitating people
46:52to get those cars at a price.
46:55That is why,
46:56in the large European brands,
46:59they still have a market there,
47:01but less and less.
47:02Because a Chinese electric car
47:05has all the technology
47:07and all the facilities for its market.
47:09So China definitely,
47:11from an economic point of view,
47:12is a reality,
47:13and I do not think,
47:14and I link it to your question,
47:16that this trade war
47:17will affect China so much.
47:19It will affect it,
47:20but not as the United States understands.
47:22It could,
47:23and in fact,
47:24it is being affected
47:25by the producers of the United States
47:27with the response,
47:28as you said,
47:29that China has given them
47:30with the tariffs.
47:31The war in Ukraine will be resolved,
47:33because the states,
47:34Ukraine accepted the truce agreement
47:38of the authorities for a month,
47:40but it still seems that Russia
47:42is not very convinced of it,
47:44because it fears that during that month,
47:46Ukraine can be re-supplied,
47:49militarized.
47:51You have your reasons to believe that.
47:54Remember the Minsk agreements.
47:56The Minsk agreements 1 and 2.
47:58Then Angela Merkel told the world,
48:00we did that to buy time
48:02and to rearm Ukraine.
48:06So, on this occasion,
48:08that is what is understood
48:10that is going to happen.
48:11They want a ceasefire to rearm
48:13and continue.
48:14There was already an attack
48:15directly to Moscow.
48:17That can be dangerous.
48:18It was a small one,
48:20it was not a high attack.
48:22If that happens,
48:23one of the NATO countries,
48:25having the leader of NATO
48:27and founder in April,
48:28precisely now,
48:29it will be fulfilled next month,
48:31one more year of its foundation,
48:32which is the United States,
48:34with a vision to find a way out
48:36of the war
48:38and to relaunch, if necessary,
48:40NATO, although some say
48:41it should disappear.
48:42That is my point of view.
48:44The one responsible for everything
48:46that is happening in the world today,
48:48in that war,
48:49is the existence of NATO.
48:51NATO is there
48:52and its existence must be justified
48:54and that is why these conflicts
48:56are occurring.
48:57NATO means nothing,
48:58it does not contribute anything,
49:01because it does not even have
49:03a real enemy.
49:04And the United Nations,
49:05by the way.
49:06That is a matter of the present
49:08and future.
49:09If we do not strengthen
49:11the multilateral institutions
49:13of diplomacy,
49:14then we go to the world
49:16of the law of the strongest.
49:18And Donald Trump is not promoting
49:20the destruction of some organizations
49:22that could be...
49:23That is what I said,
49:25I think I said it in the article.
49:27If it is on the basis of
49:29dismantling the system
49:31that we have,
49:33I think we are heading
49:35to a chaos.
49:37Those institutions,
49:38and that is what China
49:39has been proposing for a long time,
49:41the problem is that we only want
49:43to listen to the proposals of the West.
49:45China is talking about
49:46a multipolar world,
49:47strengthening the institutions
49:49of multilateral diplomacy,
49:51the UN and all the others,
49:53including the OAS.
49:54By the way,
49:55I want to congratulate
49:57Suriname,
49:58who has just been appointed
50:00Secretary General of the OAS.
50:02He will take office on May 25.
50:04He is the only one in the Caribbean,
50:06of 11,
50:07he will be the number 11,
50:08of 10 that have existed so far.
50:10Most have been all over the South.
50:13There has never been one
50:15from the North and the Caribbean,
50:16luckily.
50:17So that is,
50:18since Lin Ramon,
50:20we have to consider a world
50:22of strengthening
50:23of those institutions.
50:25And with Donald Trump's actions,
50:27what we see is,
50:28in that part,
50:29a setback.
50:30That is why,
50:31in that part,
50:32in the way,
50:33the path is not going well.
50:35Luis González,
50:36as always, brilliant.
50:37Thank you very much.
50:39To start the week
50:40with this delicate dessert.
50:43We go to commercials.
50:55We have concluded the Monday day
51:19and we continue with more faith,
51:21with more enthusiasm,
51:22with more spirit,
51:24Porque el señor está en control.
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51:29Hasta mañana. Dios mediante.