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00:00♪ I want, I want, I want, I want it ♪
00:02♪ Tell me if you want it too ♪
00:04You scared? Don't get nervous.
00:06So high up.
00:07♪ I want, I want, I want, I want it too ♪
00:10You're so cute.
00:11You make me so happy.
00:13♪ Tell me if you want it too ♪
00:17I'm the luckiest guy.
00:18Said it from day one.
00:20Cameron's my boyfriend.
00:21He seriously is the best.
00:22Me and Cameron's connection is a lot different
00:24than me and my ex's
00:25because I feel like he genuinely sees me
00:27and cares for how I feel in every situation.
00:30And I'm just so grateful for him that he came into my life.
00:33This place is so cute.
00:34There's some soda, ice cream, shakes.
00:38Oh, I'm finally going to get a shake.
00:40That looks so good, actually.
00:42Is that beer?
00:43Should I try it first time?
00:44You should try it for the first time.
00:45I still can't believe you've never
00:47tried it once in your life.
00:47I've never tasted it.
00:48Cameron's dad is a bishop, so his family
00:50is very strong in the church, which
00:52makes him a bit conservative when
00:53it comes to certain things.
00:54I don't know.
00:55I'm not intrigued.
00:56You said you do have a freaking need, Gummy, so.
00:59Well, I never said I would.
01:00I said, like, if I'm going to try it,
01:03I'm not going to smoke.
01:04But if I was going to try it, I would
01:05do an edible over smoking.
01:07I think we should try it.
01:09All right, we'll see.
01:10And then you're going to get the munchies, and it's so fun.
01:13Things are going really great with Cameron.
01:15I feel like our sex life is good,
01:17but I've still yet to experience an orgasm with a partner.
01:20That's something that I really want for myself,
01:22but something that's kind of ingrained in our church
01:25that you're not really supposed to enjoy
01:26sex until you're married.
01:28And I think that that put a constant shame in my head
01:30around sex in general.
01:32It's definitely something that I need
01:33to work on and work through.
01:35Dad being a bishop has so much responsibility in the church.
01:37And that's just how I grew up, so much of everything
01:41that was against the church, like weed and drinking
01:43and stuff, we just never talked about it.
01:44It was just, don't do it, or don't, or do this,
01:47or don't do this.
01:48I don't necessarily think Cameron's family
01:50has any hard feelings about me being in mom talk,
01:54but Cameron's only really dated very strong members
01:56of the church, girls that are very active,
01:59and I'm definitely the opposite of that.
02:01So maybe they have their reservations in some way.
02:03So your parents don't know that you have sex and stuff?
02:07The significance of having sex before you get married
02:09is obviously a big deal.
02:11So they'll figure it out eventually,
02:12or if they ask me about it, I'd be open and tell them.
02:14Would you?
02:15You wouldn't lie?
02:17Do you feel pressure about me and making me orgasm?
02:23Yeah, obviously, of course, because it's like,
02:25well, yeah, of course I do.
02:26At this point, I'm gonna die without having to live together.
02:29Ha ha ha.
02:33♪ Come ye saints and come ye sinners ♪
02:37♪ Alleluia, alleluia ♪
02:41♪ Listen now, I'm the one you've been dreaming of ♪
02:47♪ I've got everything you could ever want ♪
02:50♪ So I need you to see, I'll bring you to your knees ♪
02:54♪ Baby, you're gonna believe ♪
02:58Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay!
03:14♪ Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh ♪
03:20♪ I just wanna dance all night long ♪
03:23♪ Until the morning comes ♪
03:24♪ And I got my boys around me ♪
03:27♪ And we don't need anybody ♪
03:29♪ Dance all night and up until the morning ♪
03:34Those boots are cute.
03:35Thanks.
03:36Today I'm grabbing brunch with Mikaela and Taylor
03:38and I'm really excited to catch up.
03:40I know that Taylor has been going through a lot
03:41with her relationship with Dakota
03:43and Mikaela has been on a journey with therapy
03:45and so I'm really excited to get together with them
03:47and just chat.
03:48You gonna take over?
03:49Yeah.
03:51But considering everything that has happened
03:52with the Halloween party, I'm worried.
03:54Oh my goodness, this is so nice.
03:56Maybe you should sit on the entee
03:57so that you can put him.
03:59Yeah.
04:00Would you get in those?
04:02Thank you so much.
04:03Thank you, Rachel.
04:03You're welcome.
04:04How do you know her name?
04:05I don't know.
04:06She has a name tag and I just met her.
04:07Is that your new friend?
04:08Thank you, Rachel.
04:09Are you gonna add her into the group chat too?
04:12Shut up.
04:13You can replace Whitney.
04:14I approve.
04:15I am like lagging today.
04:17Like, Dakota, have you talked to him at all
04:19after the party?
04:20Well, yeah, I made sure he was okay
04:21because I felt honestly like...
04:23I was worried about that
04:24I do worry about him.
04:25Like, obviously when you have a past like that,
04:27like, that's like life or death for people.
04:29So it's like, I checked up on him.
04:32That's good.
04:35Since the Halloween party,
04:36Brandon and I are cordial,
04:37but Dakota and I are currently in a fight.
04:40Things are just getting worse and worse.
04:41And honestly, I do worry about Dakota's sobriety
04:45with recovering addicts.
04:46You never know.
04:47And so I think I'll always worry about that.
04:49My heart is closed at this point,
04:51but there's no question that I feel
04:52so strongly about him.
04:55I was like, you embarrass us both.
04:57Oh yeah.
04:58Chase, like just pointing,
04:59like literally so close to your face
05:00and so aggressively pointing at you,
05:02like every husband probably would have lost it there.
05:04Well, I was like, the fact that they all saw it
05:07except you is like embarrassing.
05:08And Chase has done a lot more to you
05:10than he's done to any of us too.
05:11He just like, didn't want to hear it.
05:13But I'm like, I'm like done.
05:15I'm just, I have nothing to say.
05:17There's no more words for it, honestly.
05:20I know, but you still talk, like,
05:21and fight like you're together.
05:26Yeah.
05:27It doesn't feel done unless it's like
05:28strictly like about ever.
05:29Like, hey, like when are you picking him up?
05:31Kind of just like separate and take care of your baby.
05:34I don't know.
05:34That's what I'm saying.
05:35I think you two have to work on yourselves
05:37by yourselves without each other at all.
05:40I feel like it's been sort of done, to be honest.
05:42If he were to go on a date with someone,
05:44wouldn't you be pissed?
05:48If you're going on a date during all of this,
05:51you're not my person at all.
05:52Like, thank you.
05:53So you're still considering being together?
05:55I mean, I don't have,
05:56I like, I just don't have words for it.
05:58I don't know.
05:58Like, I can't say, yes, I'm done with Dakota forever,
06:00or I want to be with him right now.
06:02Like, I just don't, I don't know.
06:06Taylor and Dakota are in a really bad place right now.
06:09It is so toxic.
06:11It's like oil and water.
06:13I understand, like, you want to make it work
06:14with the person you have a baby with,
06:15but I just don't see it working out.
06:18I get confused.
06:19I guess what I'm saying is I'm not focusing on that.
06:21I have so much work to do.
06:22I have my kids to focus on.
06:24I need to be present with them.
06:25I need to go to therapy and heal my inner issues
06:28because I'm also so messed up.
06:31When everyone's like, let it go, let it go,
06:33or like, do this, do that,
06:33and it's like, my brain is like, fucked.
06:36It's like, fucked up.
06:38When I go into therapy, I'm like, I feel crazy
06:40because it's the same thing.
06:41And she's like, it's not crazy
06:42because you're in trauma and you have PTSD,
06:44so it doesn't matter.
06:45It's going to always be there until we fix it
06:48and rewire your brain.
06:51But it is possible, though.
06:51So it's like, it's just work in progress.
06:54And I'm tired of everyone being like,
06:55and we're exhausted.
06:56Well, guess what?
06:56Me too.
06:57Yeah.
06:58So it's going to take a while to heal it.
07:01Yeah.
07:02I have some really deep issues of self-worth.
07:07I felt like my real dad not wanting anything to do with me,
07:10my guilt for the swinging scandal.
07:13It makes me feel like trash.
07:15And now Dakota kind of brought it out and exploded it,
07:18but it's deeper than Dakota and what he did.
07:20When I am betrayed,
07:22it just confirms my beliefs about myself.
07:24I feel like you guys are never on the same page.
07:27And so I feel like you're both trying to validate
07:29your feelings to each other, but you can't do it.
07:33I think Taylor and Dakota's relationship
07:35is kind of already detrimental to Taylor's health
07:37and mental wellbeing.
07:39He's been deceitful and lying to you
07:41and gaslighting you for the last two years.
07:43But now that she has a baby,
07:45I understand that it adds a difficult dynamic.
07:48I just want her to be healthy
07:49and I want her to have a healthy relationship.
07:51We were supposed to have therapy on Monday together,
07:53but I don't know if he'll show up.
07:56I'm going, cause she's my psychiatrist regardless.
07:58But if he was supposed to be there,
08:00but I don't know if he'll come,
08:01but I'll be there regardless.
08:04I don't know.
08:05All right.
08:06We can talk about something else.
08:07Yeah.
08:08Well, expect.
08:09Ew!
08:10Nothing.
08:11What is that on my head?
08:11It's still there.
08:12Ah, get it out!
08:13Well, stop it.
08:14It's just a ladybug.
08:15Oh my gosh.
08:16Well, it like is stuck to my head.
08:20Anyways.
08:21Now, how are your marriages, guys?
08:23Perfect?
08:24I'm like, honestly, really good.
08:25Not perfect.
08:26No one's marriage is perfect.
08:26No one is perfect.
08:28You know what?
08:29I forgot to tell you guys.
08:30Why?
08:31I need to pull this up, actually.
08:31A few months ago, I got like two confessions
08:34on Sinner Sunday.
08:35Wait, this is not me.
08:36Is there a PTFD?
08:38Well, I always get ones about you,
08:39but this is not what I'm talking about.
08:41But it said,
08:41I slept with Demi's husband last year while she was away.
08:47Sinner Sunday is something that I started
08:49a couple of years ago
08:50where I just wanted to have a little bit of fun.
08:52I have people write in anonymous confessions
08:54and they're usually really juicy.
08:56And then I post them on the story of that page
08:58for everyone to see.
08:59Yeah, that's not true.
09:00Demi doesn't go a day away from Brett, so.
09:02Besides the girls' trip we did in June.
09:05Nothing would surprise me anymore.
09:06We have learned there is truth
09:08to the confessions on Sinner Sunday.
09:10There are.
09:11With the Dakota and Taylor situation,
09:13a lot of things ended up coming out that were true.
09:16Demi and Brett might have cracks
09:17that they don't share with everybody.
09:18No relationship is perfect.
09:20We can talk about Jen and Zach.
09:22I was just gonna ask Mara to think about Jen and Zach,
09:24but I guess we don't know.
09:26They were doing their trial living.
09:28When I talked to Jen, she's like,
09:30oh my gosh, we're so much better now.
09:31Like, he's totally allowing me to be myself.
09:33Allowing you to be yourself.
09:34That's what, it's the allowing.
09:35He's allowing me. Allowing me.
09:37I'm like, how thoughtful of him.
09:40He's grown so much.
09:42Get my heart going, tick, tick, boom.
09:44Pops for you when I'm looking at you.
09:46Lightning in my body like shoo.
09:48Crowd nine when you're in my view.
09:54Finding out that I'm pregnant was very stressful.
09:58I don't wanna tell anyone that I'm pregnant
10:00just because there's still tension in the air.
10:03What's hard for me is Zach left med school
10:06so I can be part of mom talk.
10:09It's been very hard to talk to the girls
10:13about everything that I'm going through.
10:15And so it's been nice having Miranda.
10:17She's the only person right now that has validated me.
10:22Go outside and wait.
10:24Are they heading to Chase's?
10:27She's so cute.
10:29Thanks.
10:29Is that hard?
10:30Like, co-parenting?
10:33I mean, it's definitely difficult,
10:35but there hasn't been a day where I've felt
10:38like it wasn't the right decision.
10:39Really?
10:40Hasn't been easy,
10:41but it's been easier than staying married was.
10:47When did it hit you that it was time to like?
10:52Split.
10:52Yeah.
10:53I can't remember if it was like an argument we had
10:55or something and I was just like, I'm done.
10:59Like, I'm done.
11:00And then I just, it literally was like a switch
11:03flipped in my brain.
11:05And then I just remember feeling so much more calm.
11:08Yeah, I'm very much, like, I'm so much happier now,
11:12but I was gonna ask how you're doing.
11:14Oh my gosh.
11:15To be honest, I'm not okay right now.
11:19I'm like trying like so hard not to like,
11:25I'm sorry.
11:26Don't be sorry.
11:27I hate crying.
11:28Don't be sorry.
11:29Don't be sorry.
11:31I'm trying so hard.
11:36I just genuinely feel like so alone right now.
11:40My marriage and where I'm at with all the girls.
11:46I feel for Jen.
11:47I've been there and it is rough.
11:52All of the things that Jen has gone through
11:55and where she's at now, I think she's kind of,
11:59she's hitting a breaking point.
12:01The more she opens up, the more I'm realizing
12:04that maybe she's not receiving the support
12:07that she needs in mom talk right now.
12:11With Zach, I think there are some red flags for sure.
12:14And yeah, it might be best for her to go,
12:17but if she doesn't feel like it's the best thing for her,
12:20she needs to be supported in that journey.
12:22I just feel like these girls,
12:25specifically Demi and Jessie,
12:26continue to put me in these uncomfortable situations.
12:29And if I do struggle in my relationship,
12:32I feel like I can't go to them
12:33because I feel like they already have this narrative
12:36in their head.
12:37It's like, well, I already told you you should leave him.
12:38Yeah, no, exactly.
12:40I want to continue being a part of mom talk,
12:44but also I know it's really, really hard for Zach
12:46and I feel like it's hurting our marriage.
12:49You should not have to feel like that.
12:52I'm very worried and stressed out
12:54because bringing in another human into this life is a lot.
13:02I feel like I'm definitely in the midst
13:05of spiritual warfare where I'm just doubting everything
13:11and I feel like lost.
13:13I'm not sure if I want to be in the marriage anymore.
13:17And I definitely think that it is a wake-up call for me
13:22to really figure out what I want for this baby.
13:26What's really conflicting right now
13:28is since Vegas and everything,
13:32I feel like I've distanced myself from church.
13:37I feel like I've kind of also distanced myself from God
13:42and it's made it really hard for me
13:44to know what's best for me.
13:48And it's just hard because my relationship with God
13:53is like everything and I feel like he's quiet right now.
14:00I'm just praying to God.
14:01I'm like, just lead me to what I need to do.
14:05I want to do what's best for me and my kids
14:09and my marriage.
14:13In order to have this child right now,
14:17there's a lot of things I know I need to work through.
14:19I don't even know what I believe in
14:22and what I'm,
14:27what my current purpose is.
14:32Oh.
14:43Suspect only carries credit cards that say
14:44Jason Stiles on them.
14:46Suspect is looking for his girl, half his age.
14:51There he is.
14:52What's up, boys?
14:53Yeah.
14:54Oh wait, Brett, no, hold on.
14:56Oh.
14:57Oh.
15:03Brett, that's where the balls come out.
15:11You guys are still young enough.
15:12You don't need to stretch, huh?
15:15So today I invited Jordan and Brett to go golfing.
15:18Just wanted to talk to them after what happened
15:20at the Halloween party and kind of the role
15:23in the Chippendales dancing
15:25and just confront them for what happened.
15:30Should we do a little long drive?
15:32Yeah, you guys want to do some betting?
15:34I'm just kidding.
15:35Hey, too soon, man.
15:39I hate to interrupt the golfing.
15:42I did want to come here today
15:43and just talk to you guys about some stuff.
15:45Yeah.
15:46I just wanted to talk to you guys
15:47about like the Halloween situation.
15:49I've already sat down with Demi and Jesse
15:51and I kind of told them where I was at
15:53with, you know, respecting our relationship
15:55and they've chosen not to, but that is what it is.
15:58I have hope that moving forward,
16:00I can have a good relationship with these guys.
16:02At the end of the day, I have nothing against them.
16:04I think they're great guys.
16:06I think they're great husbands.
16:07I know you guys didn't have any bad intent,
16:10but I still think it was a little bit disrespectful,
16:13but mostly just like insensitive.
16:16Man to man, like if you guys did respect me
16:18or you guys did support my relationship,
16:20you guys could have let me know.
16:24Jordan, I feel like we're like pretty close
16:27and I feel like Brett, I've expressed to you
16:29that like, like I like look up to you.
16:31I mean, clearly you guys knew,
16:32like it's not like it just slipped your mind.
16:35I'm super traditional.
16:36It's just who I am.
16:3810 minutes earlier, you guys were both out
16:40almost physically assaulting someone over-
16:43Over them physically assaulting his wife.
16:45Yeah, for sure.
16:46And I stand by that.
16:47I'll never walk away from that in my entire life
16:51because the way I was raised is you don't,
16:52you don't ever put a hand on a woman.
16:53You just did the same thing right after.
16:55So hear me out.
16:56I didn't touch Jen.
16:59Okay, if you want to be petty, I can be petty with you.
17:01I'm doing this in a respectful way.
17:03I watched the whole situation.
17:05What Chase did is he went up to me
17:06and touched her without consent in a condescending way.
17:09What you guys did was touch my wife without consent
17:12in a condescending way.
17:13Same thing.
17:17The thing that I have a tough time with
17:19is that Jen was warned what the whole bit was.
17:24And she was also told that you could be included
17:27and she didn't choose to tell you that.
17:29And honestly, there needs to be accountability on Jen's end
17:32for not putting you in though,
17:33because it was said that there was going to be surprises.
17:39That doesn't mean that I shouldn't have reached out
17:41and definitely try to include you or invite you into that.
17:44I agree with that.
17:45I was under the impression that you were in the know.
17:48That is something Jen and I have to hash out.
17:49And if it later comes out that she didn't tell me the truth,
17:52that's going to suck.
17:53Jen has, again, sworn on our children's life.
17:56This is her story.
17:58I'm going to have to believe her
17:59and I'm going to let her hash it out with Jesse and Demi
18:01and whatever comes out or if it doesn't, it is what it is.
18:04I just wanted to come to you guys
18:05because I still would have wished
18:07you guys would have told me I talked to you that morning.
18:10This all comes down to two things,
18:12intent and communication.
18:15At the center of it,
18:16Jen might be a little bit of a moving target
18:20depending upon the situation and how she might be feeling
18:24and how she might be feeling.
18:24You might react at certain times.
18:27Her message might change a little bit.
18:28There may be some nuances that change a little bit.
18:30So I'm just asking you to be open to that.
18:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:33And not draw such hard lines.
18:36He said this, she said this, this is definitive
18:38because there is a lot of moving nuance there.
18:40Nothing's definitive and it's going to be in the gray area
18:41and I'm just trying to handle it the best I can
18:43and still show up for my wife and be a good husband.
18:46Because I'm telling you, man to man,
18:47had I thought for even one millisecond
18:50that this was going to cause any kind of issue whatsoever
18:53in your marriage, it never would have happened.
18:56Jen and I have been through a ton in this last year.
18:59A lot of these tough situations could have been avoided
19:02through maybe better understanding on my part,
19:05but maybe a little bit more honest
19:07and straightforward communication on Jen's part.
19:10But as far as fighting for our marriage, absolutely.
19:13There's no question that it's worth fighting for.
19:15And I think we're putting in the work
19:17and it's just going to be a long process.
19:20At the end of the day, I'd love to continue to golf,
19:22have fun.
19:23We'd love to have you come to the dad talk stuff.
19:25Yeah.
19:26Okay.
19:26I hear you.
19:27Yeah.
19:30Bring it in.
19:31So should we get back to hitting some golf balls
19:33after that?
19:33I'm going to have to restretch.
19:40♪ I got to take that ♪
19:45♪ It's too late, it's too late ♪
19:48I think I have everything.
19:49Shut the door here, I can't.
19:58The last couple of weeks have been really hard,
19:59but I'm just thankful that Dakota came
20:01to our therapy session.
20:02It was a lot about the Halloween party
20:04because it was so triggering.
20:06When you see Chase treating me this way,
20:09that's when you step in as a man
20:11and be like, you do not talk to her that way.
20:13Back the fuck up.
20:15Like, that's what I would want my man to do for me.
20:17I'm the mother of your child.
20:18Tell him to back the fuck up.
20:20He said one remark to one of my friends
20:22and the husband immediately was like,
20:23you go fucking apologize to my wife.
20:25If you ever acted like you wanted anything to do with me.
20:29My ex would have defended me in that situation.
20:33Okay, I know, we're gone.
20:35I feel like the last few years
20:37have actually been the hardest.
20:40I feel like I've been insecure with Dakota.
20:43Him thinking certain things and saying things
20:45and my family saying, you didn't respect yourself.
20:47I think it just like added.
20:48And ever since then, it's just been hard
20:50to like pick back up and feel confident again.
20:53We had a family dinner we went to.
20:55My mom, she was like, everyone is exhausted
20:57of hearing the same things.
20:58Like, what is going on?
20:59And my dad was like, well, I don't know why
21:01you expected better when you like jumped
21:03into bed with him so fast.
21:06There's, I feel like just anger.
21:12In our therapy session, Dakota finally took a step back
21:15and was processing.
21:17And I feel like for the first time
21:18he was not only hearing me, but he was listening to me.
21:21I don't actually have an issue with you
21:24like trying to process these things
21:27and like you struggling, like I'm still here.
21:30I think the only thing I've ever actually wanted
21:33is forgiveness.
21:36And that's all I need to where I can actually
21:39like show up for you and work on those things
21:42that you need me to like show you and give you
21:46that can help you work through these things too.
21:51And I'm sorry I failed you.
21:53I really am.
21:55I do feel like we finally had this mini breakthrough.
21:58I feel like I saw the soft side of Dakota
22:00that I initially fell for.
22:02Healing is really hard because I think it gets really ugly
22:05before it gets pretty.
22:07There's so many great things I love about him
22:08and vice versa, like that's why we won't let each other go
22:11because it's like so good when it's good.
22:14And he's upset me, he's hurt me,
22:17but I don't think he's failed me.
22:19I think failing is when it's over and you're done trying.
22:22The whole party thing just sucks.
22:23Like that like really hurts me
22:25because I feel like the one thing
22:28I've always actually been really good at
22:30throughout my whole life is just like having people's back
22:33and like I'd do anything.
22:36And so,
22:39yeah, I just feel like I like screwed that up
22:41and that sucks.
22:46♪ So where do we go, where do we go from here? ♪
22:52♪ Yeah
22:58♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, yeah
23:03♪ Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah,
23:09♪ Yeah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah
23:15Layla's definitely gone through some changes
23:18from going through a divorce to getting her boobs done.
23:21yet to have an orgasm with a partner.
23:24Jessie and I kind of want to take the pressure off
23:26and maybe inform her on how to achieve that.
23:29So we thought of a cute idea to throw her a sex party.
23:36Hello.
23:37Hello.
23:38Erica?
23:39Yes.
23:39So nice to meet you.
23:40Nice to meet you as well.
23:41Is this heavy?
23:42No, it's great.
23:43Are you sure?
23:44Yeah, where would you like me to put it?
23:45In this room.
23:46Okay.
23:47This is where everyone will be.
23:48Awesome.
23:48I love it.
23:49Beautiful.
23:50There's definitely some shame that comes along
23:52with being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ
23:54of Latter-day Saints.
23:55Unfortunately, sex is a very under-talked-about topic.
23:59And so I think everyone's excited to learn more
24:01and, you know, support Layla.
24:04Jessie and I found this sex expert, Erica,
24:06and I am hoping that she's able
24:09to remove the taboo around sex.
24:12Demi.
24:13This is the guest of honor.
24:15Oh my goodness, okay.
24:15Hi.
24:16Hello.
24:17Welcome, mama.
24:19How are you?
24:20You have to be, it's so cute.
24:24This is Erica.
24:25Hi, nice to meet you.
24:26Hi, nice to meet you.
24:27Introduce and give all your certification.
24:28She's incredible.
24:30So my official title, certified sex and relationship coach
24:34and board certified clinical sexologist.
24:36Amazing, oh my gosh, I'm so excited.
24:37This is all for you.
24:38I love it.
24:40Cameron wants me to feel good when we're having sex.
24:42And I do feel like the girls are being supportive right now
24:45and trying to help me feel loved and cared for.
24:48That's really something that I appreciate about this group.
24:51Having sex before I was married,
24:52getting pregnant before I was married,
24:54I just have always felt shame.
24:55It's just something that has always been kind of
24:57a cloud over my head when it comes to sex.
25:00Oh, is that a vagina?
25:01So this is a vulva.
25:03Yeah, we'll talk about this.
25:03This is a vulva puppet.
25:05She's pretty, right?
25:07She's cute.
25:08So we have a wide range of women coming tonight.
25:12Okay.
25:13From very experienced,
25:16like swinging with multiple partners experience.
25:19Okay.
25:19Hi.
25:20Hi.
25:21Oh my gosh, you look so hot.
25:23And then very conservative.
25:27I'm on my cuddle.
25:28Ooh.
25:29There's a dog shit right there.
25:30Oh, sexy.
25:31Sexy.
25:32Hello.
25:33Hello.
25:34Ooh.
25:35That's my neck of the room.
25:37So I walk into Demi's remove the taboo party
25:40and I'm a little shocked.
25:42There's collars, chains, whips, butt plugs, dildos.
25:46I'm like, where am I?
25:47Like, this is like a sex shop.
25:49I thought this was like remove the stigma of sex.
25:52Like, but this seems like a full on orgy party.
25:56I just want to know what you guys all think
25:57is like the most shocking of all of these.
25:59I mean, like, I feel like I've seen them all, but like, ooh.
26:04However, it wouldn't be a mom talk party
26:06without some kind of drama.
26:07So I just feel something brewing in the air.
26:11Oh my goodness.
26:12Look at you.
26:13You went all out.
26:14Like, I'm trying to be like Macy.
26:17I love this.
26:19All right.
26:20Someone bend over.
26:22My delivery's here.
26:24I forgot it.
26:27No.
26:28I forgot it at home.
26:29So I had to do how Jace bring it.
26:31It looks just like me.
26:32No.
26:33It's an ass.
26:34Do you know that your BFF thinks
26:37that I was a mold of her ass?
26:39Is that true?
26:39Macy?
26:41Who in mom talk has the best ass?
26:42Of course, that's me.
26:44Just genetics.
26:45She actually used my ass as inspo for her cake.
26:48Oh, please.
26:49I don't have enough cake to mold Macy's ass.
26:52What's the flavor?
26:54Ass.
26:55I'm just kidding.
26:56The flavor is butthole.
27:00Hello.
27:00Hello.
27:01Oh, look at you.
27:03You look great.
27:04So do you.
27:05Hello.
27:06I had black hair.
27:07I know.
27:08That's why my hands are literally freezing.
27:10Did you ever think you'd be back at a mom talk sex party?
27:13Oh my gosh.
27:16No, I did not think I would ever be
27:18at a sex party with Miranda,
27:20but here we are together.
27:21Surprise.
27:22Who is the kids tonight?
27:23Oh yeah.
27:24Dakota, dad talk?
27:26Yes.
27:27Yes, he is.
27:27Jordan's like, I'm really hoping Dakota can lead this
27:30cause he's like a TikTok expert.
27:31I'm like, what am I doing?
27:32They're just making TikTok.
27:34They're making dad talk.
27:35I mean, I didn't ask him much about it.
27:37Jordan's like, I don't know how to use TikTok.
27:39I'm like, ask Dakota.
27:41Okay.
27:41Hang on.
27:42Connor, you're in the middle.
27:43Okay.
27:44Click.
27:47So head to the left, right?
27:48Because-
27:49This is just a practice.
27:50Get ready.
27:51Let's go, let's do it.
27:51Ready?
27:52Click.
27:53Left.
27:54Left.
27:55Shit, left.
27:56Sorry.
27:56Okay.
27:57After that.
27:58Okay, here we go.
27:59Are you guys ready?
28:00Yeah.
28:01Okay, here we go.
28:01We got this.
28:02The click.
28:04Oh, shit.
28:05Fuck.
28:06Fuck.
28:08How do they get the positioning?
28:10Is it just cause they're small?
28:12Here we go.
28:13We got it.
28:14Okay.
28:15You're ready.
28:15Okay.
28:16I'm serious.
28:17Click.
28:19Click.
28:21That's it.
28:22Dad talk has been established.
28:24We cannot admit to the girls how hard this is.
28:27No, never.
28:28Promise.
28:29This was the easiest night of my life.
28:29Promise this stays here.
28:33I'm crying.
28:34We should all grab the one that looks the most like us.
28:37I also need some cheese.
28:39Are you guys good now?
28:40I don't know, honestly.
28:42I don't know.
28:43I appreciate her thinking of me.
28:44I think we're to a place where our friendship is a little,
28:47our friendship is better for me.
28:49I guess coming from my perspective, it's better.
28:51I just like don't have answers.
28:53Like he's, he hasn't been,
28:54like I haven't lived with him for like over a month now.
28:56Oh, I didn't know that.
28:57Yeah.
28:58Where's he?
29:00Apartment.
29:00Good.
29:01Good.
29:02Is Jen here yet or no?
29:05I think she should be here any minute.
29:06She better be walking in with just full lingerie.
29:09Yeah.
29:09No, Zach won't allow that.
29:11Is he going to God talk?
29:12No.
29:13Zach?
29:14I don't feather.
29:14Think so?
29:15Does anyone know what's going on with them?
29:16No.
29:17Have you went in there?
29:18She came over a couple of days ago.
29:22We talked and I think she's just been,
29:25she was asking a lot of questions about my divorce.
29:27Oh, interesting.
29:29Like she was inquiring for herself almost?
29:32Kind of.
29:33Oh no.
29:34Jen and I's relationship used to be really great,
29:36but now that Jen has isolated herself,
29:38we never hear from her.
29:40It's really sad to me to see how it's fallen
29:42because we did have a really close relationship
29:44at one point.
29:45Anyone know how she's feeling
29:46about the Chippendales situation?
29:47You talked to her about it?
29:48Uh-huh.
29:49Oh, what did she say?
29:50Yeah, she wasn't like thrilled about it.
29:52She did say, she was like,
29:53I know that Demi like brought it up.
29:54She's like, I just wish that I would have known
29:56like the length of like the plan rather than,
29:59she didn't know that there was going to be
30:01other people involved and she didn't know
30:03it was going to be people dancing on her.
30:05Yeah.
30:06It was supposed to be a surprise.
30:07Yeah, it was supposed to be.
30:08Honestly, me even giving her a heads up was just like,
30:11hey, I just want to make sure
30:12if this is off the table at all,
30:13like I know this was a heavy time for you.
30:15If it's off the table at all and she was all for it.
30:17She was like, I love it.
30:18That's incredible.
30:19That's the best idea ever.
30:20Yeah.
30:21It's going to come in like normal costume,
30:24rip it off into like a Chippendales.
30:26I love that.
30:27I can't believe Jen knew about it beforehand.
30:30I think it's absurd for Jen to now say
30:31that the prank wasn't okay.
30:33Especially now that we know for a fact
30:34that she told Jesse and Demi that she was completely
30:36on board.
30:37The more I hear about Jen recently,
30:39the less I'm starting to believe anything that she says.
30:41She made it sound like it was like this great idea.
30:43So I hope she just isn't like harboring more feelings
30:46because she tends to do that.
30:47And she did say that she was like,
30:48I did appreciate that Demi brought it up to me at all.
30:51I think she was just like,
30:51oh, I just wish that I would have known
30:53a little bit more extent of it.
30:55My life is definitely in chaos right now
30:59after the Chippendales prank.
31:01And with Demi and Jesse interfering
31:05with mine and Zach's relationship,
31:07it's definitely caused more conflict between us
31:10and finding out that I'm pregnant,
31:13as well as having a bit of an identity and faith crisis.
31:17I feel really lost.
31:21And I'm hoping showing up tonight can show them
31:24that I'm really trying to put in that effort.
31:27And hopefully there's no more drama.
31:32Oh.
31:39♪ Let me be explicit, see this ring you want to kiss ♪
31:42♪ A drink of champagne from the bottom ♪
31:44♪ Wanna stick my finger in it ♪
31:46♪ Tonight is gonna get us crossed in love, oh yeah ♪
31:51♪ Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring ♪
31:56Welcome.
31:58You know, I was considering wearing my Gurmys.
32:00As much as I want to talk to Jen tonight,
32:02and I do want to clear the air,
32:03I'm looking around and we've got the sex expert
32:06who has prepared a whole night for us.
32:08And everyone's excited to support Layla.
32:11And tonight is obviously about Layla.
32:13So that conversation's unfortunately gonna have to wait.
32:16Thank you for coming, everyone.
32:18You all look stunning, sexy, beautiful.
32:21I'd like to introduce you to Erica.
32:23She is a sex coach.
32:25Essentially, she is here to break the taboo.
32:28This remove-the-taboo party is a little edgy for Mormons,
32:32I will say.
32:33However, Mormons are a little bit freaky, like in marriage.
32:38So there are a plethora of items over here, ladies.
32:41If you've been to a sex shop,
32:42you know there's so much more available, right?
32:44A dice for a shot.
32:46A dice for a shot.
32:47Okay, hey ladies, I have a question for each one of you.
32:50So I want you each to answer this, okay?
32:53Taylor, I'm gonna start with you.
32:53What arouses you?
32:55Um...
32:57The most?
32:58Mm-hmm.
32:59I love, like, a scenario in my head.
33:02Okay, so some fantasy play.
33:04Yes.
33:05Okay, that's awesome.
33:05How about for you?
33:07I like dirty talk.
33:09Dirty talk.
33:10I hate dirty talk.
33:13What arouses you, Mikaela?
33:14Oh, I love massage.
33:17And also smell.
33:18I feel like smell is, you know, like sex smell?
33:20But like deodorant and perfume.
33:22Yeah, like the breath.
33:23Like the smell.
33:24You're a sensual gal.
33:26You know, I'm putting on my own sexy trunks next to them.
33:30Leila, how about for you?
33:32Actually feeling something?
33:34Yeah, sure.
33:36I like seeing, like, my partner.
33:38Okay, like connection, maybe?
33:40Yeah, when, like, he's enjoying it,
33:42then I, like, enjoy it.
33:42Yeah, yeah.
33:43What about for you do you enjoy?
33:46What do you mean?
33:47Like, what about it for you
33:47that has nothing to do with him?
33:49What about you, like, feels good?
33:51You're like, yeah, yeah, for sure.
33:53I'm like, I don't know.
33:54I'm like, I don't know, huh?
33:55I don't know.
33:56I think the fact that I'm not able to answer the question
33:58on what turns me on is kind of a big revelation for me.
34:01The fact that I can't even pinpoint
34:03what makes me aroused in a situation,
34:05I think is a really big red flag.
34:07I think that's honestly maybe contributing
34:10to why I'm not able to enjoy sex fully
34:12is because I don't know what I like and don't like.
34:14We're our first sexual partners.
34:16So if we're not exploring our own bodies
34:18to kind of figure out what we like,
34:20what pleases us, and what doesn't,
34:22then how are we to express that to our partners, right?
34:25We're gonna do a little sensation play.
34:27So if you would pair up, please.
34:30I'm at a swinger party right now.
34:32Woo!
34:34So I want you to think about the most soft touch
34:37that you can give your partner
34:38and then let her give you feedback on what feels good, okay?
34:41Do you want it harder or softer?
34:44Whatever.
34:45Whatever.
34:46I mean, but I, sure, anything.
34:49So ladies, so what I'm doing is I'm asking Taylor
34:52if she wants it harder or softer.
34:54Ew, I hate this.
34:56I don't like this at all.
34:57Do you want to be scratched with it?
34:59Oh, I like that.
35:00Okay, so she likes to be scratched with it.
35:02Okay, you guys.
35:04We would hate that.
35:05I know, this is a little too intimate.
35:06McKaylee, are you ready to really bond?
35:08It's your intention.
35:10Oh, I don't like that.
35:11It feels like there's something crazy on my face.
35:13I think when we get in a group,
35:14I think we truly have no boundaries.
35:17I think Macy needs to work on her feathering techniques,
35:20though, because it wasn't really doing anything for me.
35:22Having to feather, feather my friends?
35:25That sounds so weird.
35:27Having to feather someone, being like, how does that feel?
35:29Ew, I did not like that one bit.
35:31The one thing that happened today
35:32that I never want to think about again
35:34was definitely Miranda whipping me with a whip.
35:39It was definitely a little awkward for sure.
35:41I'm so straight, it's scary.
35:43Me too.
35:44It's scary.
35:45This is not about being straight.
35:49It's like just enjoying the feeling of it.
35:51You've kissed girls, I've never kissed a girl.
35:52Yeah, but I am so straight too.
35:54I mean, I did not, not enjoy it,
35:56but it wasn't a turn on.
35:58I just did it.
35:59It was just fine because you were drunk.
36:00Okay.
36:00Yeah, it's not that bad.
36:02I mean, Miranda's a great kisser.
36:03I've kissed a lot of girls actually in my life,
36:05and Miranda is a good kisser.
36:08But I do feel like Demi makes things like judgmental jokes
36:11where it's like an underlying message to you.
36:14And it's kind of like a light jab,
36:17but yeah, I do feel like she does that.
36:19Hey, so now, anyone wanting to be handcuffed
36:23with your ankles and your wrists?
36:25I'll do it, yeah, sure.
36:26Where do you buy this?
36:27Can you buy it on Amazon?
36:29Nope.
36:29You can buy everything on Amazon.
36:30Yeah.
36:31I'm like, send me the link.
36:33Didn't think the first time I was getting tied up
36:34would be from a woman, but you know.
36:37Taylor's face when she's like.
36:40I'm just learning new things.
36:42There we go, okay.
36:43You're gonna let me know how that feels, okay?
36:47Are you close to orgasming?
36:49Are you okay if I just hit you very lightly?
36:52No.
36:52Okay.
36:54And then you're gonna tell me
36:55if you want me to go a little harder or a little softer.
36:59Give it to me, daddy.
37:01I feel like you need to be the one on here right now.
37:03Close your eyes.
37:04Close your eyes, sweetheart.
37:05Harder or softer?
37:08Harder.
37:09Harder.
37:10Do you like to be whipped?
37:11Actually, yeah.
37:12Yeah.
37:13I think something I took from the sex party
37:14is that I like it hard and rough.
37:17Moving forward, I'm gonna be more open
37:19about trying things in sex and experimenting
37:21and just being more open and communicating
37:24when I'm having sex.
37:25I do feel hopeful that an orgasm is around the corner.
37:28Fingers crossed that it can happen soon.
37:30Are we gonna eat the ass?
37:32Oh, yes.
37:33It's good luck.
37:36Yeah.
37:37Ooh.
37:38Yeah, I like that.
37:38Ooh, I like that.
37:39Ooh, sensual.
37:41Now that we've got the sex lesson out of the way,
37:43I think it's the perfect time to talk to Jen.
37:46I definitely wanna talk to her
37:47about the whole chip and nail situation.
37:49I wanna clear things up and just talk to her
37:51and figure out what went wrong.
37:52How are you and Zach, Jen?
37:55Jen?
37:56What?
37:57How are you and Zach doing?
37:58We're doing better as of right now, as of today.
38:02Good.
38:03Has it been like a long road?
38:05Yeah.
38:06Yeah, it's been a lot.
38:07I mean, yeah, it's been a lot.
38:10I do feel like, to me,
38:13she likes to talk a lot about projection,
38:14which is very funny,
38:15because it's like when you're crying
38:17and kind of going at somebody,
38:18it's like a projection thing.
38:20So when she brings up Jen and Zach's relationship,
38:22you have to ask, like, what is it?
38:24Why do you care about theirs?
38:25I'd love to have a conversation with all of you,
38:27I tell you, but I'm just trying to figure it out.
38:30Yeah.
38:31Yeah.
38:32So as of right now,
38:33I'm just keeping it between Zach and I,
38:35and that's what it is.
38:38At this point,
38:39I think Jen needs to be held accountable
38:41for all of the lies that are coming out.
38:43We know that they are not related to Ben Affleck.
38:45They're putting Chippendales on me and Demi.
38:47I think her feet need to be held to the fire,
38:49and she needs to own up to what she's lied about,
38:51take accountability so we can all move on.
38:53Oh, look, there's little name tags.
39:19Weren't you in charge of the seating thing?
39:21This is not going to work.
39:22What's wrong?
39:23from Whitney. How was that on the end? How would that not work? My two best friends. No. Tonight,
39:29I have invited all the girls out to dinner because I have super exciting news. I got a book deal less
39:35than a year ago. I launched Baby Mama and it was an amazing experience and now my book is about my
39:41life story because it is very traumatic, crazy, and unconventional, especially for like a Mormon.
39:47This has been a goal of mine since 2015 and I just wanted to use my voice to help other women
39:51and what makes MomTalk great is that we have been able to inspire other women and bring them
39:55together in a form of community. And so for me, this book means so much more to me than anything
40:00that I've ever done or any goal that I've ever hit. It means the most. So I'm excited to tell
40:04the girls it's finally happening. I like Demi next to me. I like Taylor here. Tensions in MomTalk
40:10have been really high. So I have to make sure that I'm seating everyone in the right spot so
40:14that a fight doesn't break out. No, don't switch with Jen. Switch Jen and Jessie. What about that?
40:19Like Taylor gets along with everyone. So I put Macy in charge of the seating arrangements because
40:24she knows the situation and relationships with everyone, but clearly she didn't do a good enough
40:28job. So I'm taking it upon myself to fix her seating disaster. It's impossible to seat these
40:35people for some reason. Hello. This is so beautiful. Whose dress was it? Do we have name cards? Yes.
40:46So if you don't like where you're sitting, you better change it ASAP before people come. I'm
40:51gonna swap this real quick. Taylor and Miranda are crossing each other. And Whitney. So like they can
40:55talk. Yeah. These four love each other. I invited Whitney out to dinner with all the girls to
40:58celebrate as well because I know she's been wanting to get back into MomTalk. And I think
41:02having Whitney around the group more is a good test to see how she gets along with everyone in
41:07a group setting. Hi. This is so cool. I'm rooting for Whitney because I want her to like show like,
41:13yes, I've changed. I want to come to the group. I want to work on these relationships. And I think
41:16everyone deserves a second chance at the end of the day. Welcome in. Hi. Just literally three
41:22days postpartum. I truly believe that when a group of women come together like this,
41:26there's nothing more powerful. But with Whitney, we're a little nervous that she's kind of coming
41:30back around and trying to hang out with us again. I think there's a lot of us questioning her
41:34intentions. We're not sure if she's trying to be back in MomTalk for clout or if her intentions
41:39are sincere. And look at your titties. They're huge. No, seriously. Like, if I leave, they're
41:44popping out. Don't be surprised. I'm so happy to be here at Macy's dinner. I'm so happy to
41:49see that we're rekindling that relationship. I heard about Layla's Remove the Taboo party from
41:54Jen, and I was a little surprised to hear that I wasn't invited. I'd like to think maybe it's
42:00because I just had baby Billy, but I think that like, I'm just not there yet, maybe.
42:06I didn't know it was going to be like this. This is cute. Hey, guys.
42:11Was it true if I was supposed to knock or what? Hello.
42:15This place is so cute. Thank you. Okay. You guys want to hear why I brought you all here?
42:22Yes, we're dying. I wanted to celebrate with you guys because I
42:27got a book deal. Like officially, like you're a publisher? Yes. So I'm super excited. I've
42:33been working on this for so long, and I feel like I'm going to shit.
42:38It means so much to you. The reason why I'm running a book,
42:44I don't want snot coming out of my nose. This is amazing. It's funny.
42:48Hey, so when I was first pregnant, I didn't know what I was doing with my life. My dad came into
42:52my room, and he handed this to me, and he said, write everything down, and the good, the bad,
42:57the ugly, when you're mad, when you're sad. He's like, when you hate us, when you love us,
43:00and maybe one day you can use it to help somebody else. And so I did, and I wrote like the darkest
43:05times of my life in here. And that was like one day I'm going to write a book. And so
43:11now it's happening. So like, I feel like it's just a big full circle moment. And so I'm just,
43:15I'm just really excited because it's probably the biggest goal I've ever had.
43:19I am so excited for Macy that she has this opportunity to tell her story in a book. I
43:24know it's something she's always wanted to do. People can be like, oh my gosh, like I'm going
43:29through the same thing. That's like what we're about in mom talk is sharing all of your things
43:34out to the world. That is seriously so amazing. Like that is so cool. Thank you so much. I'm
43:40really, I'm really excited. I think you can tell it's emotional because it's just like all my
43:43trauma. No, your story is insane, and I'm excited to have your shot to like tell your story.
43:47It's so cool. Thank you guys. So thanks for coming and celebrating and watching me cry.
43:52Denise seems a little, maybe jealous, but she's trying to hide it.
43:57Demi likes to put this up front that she's like this confident, put together woman. But to be
44:04honest, I feel like she has more insecurities than anyone and she's really good at hiding it.
44:09Can't wait to see you be a bestselling author, babe. That's the goal, you guys.
44:13I'm putting up my vision board, so it's going to happen.
44:16You guys have something else exciting going on. I am hosting a celebrity pickleball tournament
44:24in Arizona. What does that mean? Celebrity pickleball? I guess they're inviting different
44:29like kind of like celebrities. They're playing a pickleball tournament. That's kind of a big deal.
44:33So are we all playing? You guys should come. If you want to come. Absolutely.
44:40Girls trip. That would be fun. Yeah. I am co-hosting the USA Pickleball Celebrity Match
44:46in Arizona and I am so excited and I thought what a better way to get the girls together
44:50and do a little girls trip. I'm already there. Our last girls trip went pretty badly. No boyfriends,
44:58no husbands. It did nothing wrong in this situation. So this will be a good way to do
45:05over, get everyone together and hopefully mend friendships. It's a horrible idea.
45:10Okay, you guys ready? We're playing a game. I'm confessing everything in this book,
45:16so now it's time for you guys to confess. It could be spicy, it could be about yourself,
45:20it could be something that you've held in that you've never told people,
45:23but tell us something of your truth. So it's a truth box. It's not the truth box. Do we have
45:27to guess who wrote it or no? It's all going to be anonymous. Oh, I bet it will. Just like the
45:32truth box was supposed to be. This is full 100% honesty tonight, okay? Honestly, yeah,
45:40a lot of what she does is trashy. Did I say that? You're being a bitch. I'm not the one that's going
45:44around trying to seduce other people's husbands. I'm just hoping that this is a little bit more
45:48lighthearted and it doesn't end in tears. Are you ready for this, Miranda? Is this my initiation?
45:53This is the initiation, exactly. Welcome to MomTalk. I feel like I'm the only one that has
46:00a brain anymore. You should have it be something that no one knows publicly. This is probably not
46:05the best idea. I mean, it could be lighthearted if you wanted it to be, but also it could stir up
46:11some stuff. So many secrets. I was just going to stir up more shit that I'm going to have to deal
46:16with. Okay, you guys ready? You start. This is your night. I am trying to get pregnant.
46:23It's Whitney or Tyler for sure. It better not be Taylor. I once had a man suck on my toes. Then
46:29I immediately left. I've had sex in five high school parking lots. Holy shit. Why would you
46:37look at me? She's like every high school I could think of. The first time I swallowed,
46:41I threw up immediately after. My favorite place to do it is in the swimming pool slash hot tub.
46:48Swimming pool slash hot tub. Hashtag yummy. UTI. I'm like hashtag UTI.
46:56Oh no. I'm scared. No. I think Jen is fake.
47:09Maybe I'm fake. Okay, well this escalated quickly. I think the comment is either from Demi,
47:15Kayla, or Layla. Where are you in Dakota right now? We're not living together. So are you guys
47:20having sex? It's kind of hard to make passing when every time I open the internet, somebody's
47:27making blatantly explicit videos about me. If I want to make videos about you, I can do that because
47:31you're not my friend. Jen's my new Whitney. So it's like at what point are you just not going
47:38to look like a liar? Like it's bad. If they have an issue with me, I would like to confront them.
47:42Some things went down in Italy. She was literally playing truth or dare with a
47:46ton of single men. If you ask her about the confession that Macy got with her.