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00:00He's got bumped, got fouled on the way down. That's got to be a flagrant. He wrapped him up from behind around the neck and threw him down. There's a wind up. Yeah, that's got to be looked at. That's a flagrant one. Absolutely. There's a wind up above the neck, contact the neck, grabbed him by the jersey and threw him down. And McDaniels is hot. He's talking to Pat Freyer.
00:21He's been determined that none of the elements of a flagrant foul exists. Therefore, there's a common foul after the gathering. Two free throws. Wow. That's a surprise. Wow. No flagrant foul. That's a surprise. He wound up from behind, hit him above the shoulder and then grabbed him to the floor by grabbing the jersey. That's an everyday play in the NBA. We see that all the time.
00:46Yeah, that one, I did that one. I'm not buying that one. That's just brutal. Just brutal. Dub Nation, it's the voice of the Warriors, Tim Roy. You're listening to Willard and Dibbs on 95.7 The Game.
01:02In fact, it's right here on the Boxer and Gerson work injury attorney's text line. I don't know if Grandy saw it. That's why he played it. But thank you to 925. Hey, Dan. Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
01:16Hey, Dan. Come at me. Talk about the so-called common foul. I hate referee Dibbs. Do it with me, Dibbs. Ref, you suck. No, never. Ref, you suck. Ref, you suck. That was an absurd review by Mark Davis. That's all.
01:37Well, if you follow me on Twitter and texter and teammates, I'm sure none of you actually do.
01:44You're muted.
01:45Yeah.
01:45No, you're not. I'm kidding.
01:47You should. You should mute me.
01:48No, I don't mute.
01:48I immediately came out with, that's a horse collar. That's 15 yards. So you do that in the NFL. That's 15.
01:56And in real time, I didn't really see the chop to the neck. I saw the jersey pull from behind. And then when I watched the replay, I was like, oh, not only did he grab the jersey, he basically chops him in the neck.
02:09And so I'm thinking, ah, this is easy. Yeah. This is garden variety.
02:13The head and neck area. I'm like, that thing right there, that's right below your ear, that's the neck. At least that's what they taught me in school.
02:22So once again, this is another one of those situations where, to me, I get bothered because a referee is reviewing his own call.
02:31By the way, you know what gets left out of this conversation? It was purposeful.
02:35It was purposeful because he was ticked off. He thought Buddy Heald, and they showed this on the replay, he thought that Buddy Heald had hit him earlier in the drive.
02:48And I thought it was a very inadvertent, errant sort of a clip. His hand hit like the chest area of Jaden McDaniels, but he wasn't even looking at him.
02:58He was trying to drive by him, whatever. But Jaden was ticked off.
03:02And so he chased him down. He whacked him on the side of the head. He pulled his jersey down. He threw him to the floor.
03:09And that's all we should do and head the other way.
03:12Yeah, it was Pat Frere who made the call, and then Mark Davis as the crew chief is the one who reviews it.
03:18And looking at the replay again, Buddy's driving by, right hand dribble.
03:23The left hand goes into the body, and his lower arm goes down near the groin area, which there may have been contact.
03:31It surely did not look intentional.
03:33And that's probably why McDaniels was upset, because he got popped in the biscuits.
03:37And so he turned around and chopped and grabbed.
03:41And for me, it was like, oh, that was an easy garden variety.
03:46Easy.
03:46And not a flagrant, too.
03:47It's a flagrant one.
03:48No, just a flagrant.
03:49It was excessive.
03:50Give Buddy the shots and the ball.
03:52Period.
03:54And then, you know, you hear the announcement, and it's like, no, common foul.
03:58I tell you what.
03:59It's determined that none of the elements of a flagrant foul exist.
04:02None of the elements.
04:03Well, we've determined some things about you, too, Mark.
04:06Like, here's my thing.
04:08Well, the elements are, it says, involving unnecessary contact.
04:12Correct.
04:12Well, to me, there were two different things there that were unnecessary.
04:16A chop to the neck before he's even going up to shoot, by the way.
04:20And then the yanking of the jersey, that's also, to me, unnecessary contact.
04:25You heard what Tim and Tom said.
04:26This is a black letter, absolute, no doubter, easy call.
04:29Should have taken about seven seconds.
04:31And that's it.
04:32Turn around, come out, flagrant foul.
04:34Warriors, you get two shots.
04:35And the ball.
04:36This one's easy.
04:37And what I've learned, I used to think this about the NFL, but not anymore.
04:40Now I'm thinking about the NBA.
04:42Like, I cannot figure out what it is.
04:46You're going over there and watching.
04:48Are you watching reruns of Friends or something over there?
04:53What the hell are you going over to the replay monitor look at?
04:58Because this is about eight times in a row where you've gone over there, you've reviewed it, and you've come out with the wrong answer.
05:06I don't understand.
05:08It had nothing to do with the outcome of this game.
05:10So it was something that's why I actually didn't even think of it until Grandy just played this.
05:14I'd erase this from my memory bank.
05:17But in the moment, I'm like, what on earth?
05:19Like, what?
05:21How?
05:22There's no explanation.
05:23You cannot justify.
05:25I would love to hear what it was if Mark were actually pressed on this and questions were asked, which, of course, we're not allowed to do.
05:34We can't go talk to a ref.
05:37We're not allowed to do that.
05:39Even when an explanation is clearly warranted in a situation like this, anyone with one eye could see that that was a flagrant foul.
05:49Wild.
05:49Absolutely wild what they come out of, the answers they come out of there with.
05:53I'm like 0 for my last five in predicting what they're going to come out of there.
05:58Yeah, you just can't predict it.
05:59And I do think that the bigger point is what you've talked about, and you're right, where you have a referee, a crew, that makes a call, and then that crew determines whether or not they made the right call.
06:10And it's hard as a human being to admit you're wrong.
06:13Like, you and I do a good job of it on this show where we'll have a bad take or we'll say something wrong, and you just come out.
06:19And it's like, you know what, I was wrong.
06:20And it takes a lot to do that.
06:21When you're a referee and you've got adrenaline and scrutiny and 19,000 people screaming, ref, you suck, I would imagine it is more difficult in spots to immediately come out and admit you're wrong.
06:34And now, what can happen between now and tomorrow?
06:37The league will look at this, and the league could, after the fact, say, you know what, that was a flagrant one, so now you get a flagrant point.
06:45Big whoop.
06:45Who cares?
06:46Thanks, I don't care.
06:47I know, but that's what the system can do.
06:50What the system needs to do is have all of these debatable things be reviewed by a neutral party in Secaucus.
06:59Yes, yes.
07:00And flagrant twos are, by the way.
07:01Flagrant ones are not.
07:02Correct.
07:03Yeah.
07:03I just, that's all.
07:05I just want to understand.
07:07Yeah.
07:08I don't need everything to go the warrior's way.
07:10I just want to understand.
07:11I want to understand why when Julius Randle literally flies his left arm into the chest of Draymond Green, who's got two feet on the ground, and flings it forward, and he goes flying under the hoop.
07:24I want to know, what the hell did you see?
07:27How on earth do you come out of there and go, yep, defensive foul?
07:31What on earth are you talking about?
07:33Well, that at least you could say, if you're the ref, you could say, well, he might have been moving horizontally or whatever you thought.
07:38Even if he is moving, if Randle flings that forearm forward, that's a foul.
07:45I get it, but for me, that's more of a judgment call than this.
07:48Okay.
07:49The other one for me is when Draymond gets fouled and he throws his forearm into a guy's face, and that's a technical and that's not a flagrant, to me, there's like, there's too much gray area.
08:00Yeah, I agree with you.
08:00Draymond gets a flagrant in the game, and he does something else, and now we're going to give him a technical because we want to keep him in the game.
08:07So make it make sense in a lot of different ways.
08:10Last night was just another example.
08:11No doubt.
08:12When Jonathan Kaminga drives to the hole and Julius Randle leaps up and their two bodies collide with one another, when Kaminga is literally in the process of trying to lay the ball in, and you called a foul on the floor, and then you go review it, and somehow you came out with white smoke and a Draymond foul?
08:30What the hell are you talking about?
08:33Having looked at that play now 37 times, I can tell you what they saw, and Draymond has one, if not both, arms around Julius Randle, and Julius Randle's trying to defend, and Draymond's basically holding him.
08:47Julius Randle is airborne.
08:48Well, Draymond's got his arms around him.
08:50If he's actually holding him, he wouldn't have been able to jump.
08:52Well, if you look at the video again, and I had to really look hard to figure out what they were seeing, and what they are seeing is that.
08:59I didn't agree with it, but that's what they saw.
09:02I just want to understand.
09:03That's it.
09:04I mean, I loved Buddy Heald's press conference about this after, it must have been game three.
09:10After game three, Buddy didn't come out and start chanting, ref, you suck, all immature like me.
09:16He sat there in front of a microphone and went, I just don't understand.
09:20Like, I just want to, I really have gotten to that point.
09:23Like, I want to understand the rule.
09:25Like, 98% of the public is staring at this video and all coming out with the same conclusion.
09:33And then you three walk out and tell us the exact opposite.
09:37What are you talking about?
09:39How is this possible that the three of you huddled and all of you came out with the same wrong answer?
09:46It's like you're cheating on a test.
09:47I got caught doing that one time in high school.
09:51I cheated on a test.
09:53Like, not like some.
09:54On a test?
09:54One time?
09:55I didn't do it.
09:56Yeah, this wasn't like a, this was a, I ended up not prepared for a test.
10:01It wasn't like a, ooh, I acquired the answers.
10:03No.
10:04Oh, boy.
10:04I was just like, hey, my buddy in front of me is smart.
10:07Let me look over his shoulder.
10:09Okay.
10:09I don't know this question.
10:11Hey, what do you got going on there?
10:12So I was like, oh, you're giving me a good look.
10:15So I kind of copied it down and then we both got in trouble because it turns out it was
10:19a whack-a-doodle answer.
10:21It was completely wrong.
10:22Yeah.
10:22And I had the same whack-a-doodle wrong answer as him.
10:25So the teacher's like, how the hell did you two come up with this?
10:28And she knew which one of us was looking over the other shoulder.
10:31No doubt.
10:31Well, he can't look behind him.
10:32Yeah.
10:33Rear-view mirror.
10:33Exactly.
10:34Plus, he was way more studious and smart than me.
10:36So that was an easy one.
10:38But how are the three of you all coming up with the same wrong answer?
10:43Unbelievable.
10:44Because they've got each other's back.
10:45Oh, well, stop the old boy network and get the call right.
10:50Like, what are we doing?
10:52That's why I want someone who's not on the floor to make the call.
10:56That one was an easy one.
10:58Yeah.
10:59Mr. Matzinger, rest in peace, my high school chemistry teacher,
11:03he would not change his tests from year to year.
11:06So one of my buddies had it the year before.
11:08And so your boy got A's and B's out of nowhere.
11:12That's good.
11:13Out of nowhere.
11:14You're listening out of nowhere.
11:17Dude, a straight C student and suddenly he's like, look at chemistry over here.
11:22He's like a buddy in a game seven.
11:23You're like, he's hot.
11:24Where'd this come from?
11:25Totally.
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11:31I'll calm down now.
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12:09Back to the phones.
12:10Joe in San Jose.
12:11Hi, Joe.
12:11What's up?
12:13Hey.
12:14Just wanted to say, yes, the Warriors should have a plan.
12:18They shouldn't roll over just because Steph's out.
12:22We lost the series on Saturday, honestly.
12:26Last night, we got beat.
12:27We only showed up for one half.
12:30They came out in the third quarter last night, and Anthony Edwards just took over.
12:34The Timberwolves played great.
12:36They did what championship teams are supposed to do.
12:38They responded.
12:39They came out in the second half, did what they needed to do to win the game, and we got beat.
12:42But Saturday, we gave that game away.
12:45Draymond played crappily on Saturday.
12:50Stupid fouls.
12:52Unnecessary fouls.
12:54He gets his fifth foul on a replay, and then not more than 30 seconds later, fouls out of the game with five minutes left in the game.
13:02I mean, it's just ridiculous.
13:03Just unnecessary fouls.
13:05No production.
13:06Why he thinks we're going to win games with Steph out and him getting two points and Pods getting five points and Draymond with five turnovers and six fouls and Gary Payton not shooting the dang ball, it's just not going to happen.
13:24And Jimmy Butler not scoring anything in the last, like, seven and a half minutes of the game.
13:29They gave that game away.
13:31That was our game.
13:32We should have had it.
13:32The series should be 2-2 right now, and it's not.
13:34And it's unfortunate.
13:37But that's just kind of what happened.
13:39As far as Steph goes, as far as what Steph goes, he's hurt.
13:45No, he shouldn't play tomorrow.
13:46If he's hurt, he's hurt.
13:49The team needs to carry on without him.
13:51Before this series, I think the Warriors were something like seven wins, four losses without Steph.
13:57And now we're like seven and seven or seven and eight or something like that.
14:01They've won without him before.
14:03They still need to win without him.
14:04That's a sign of a championship team.
14:06Your star goes down.
14:07He gets hurt.
14:07Injuries happen.
14:08You need to pick up and move on.
14:10So, no, Steph shouldn't play tomorrow night.
14:12The last thing in the world we need him doing is getting another injury and taking him out for next year.
14:17I mean, it just doesn't, you know, it's not what needs to happen.
14:21No, and Joe, he won't.
14:23He's not playing tomorrow night.
14:24That's already been announced.
14:25I might have done a poor job of sort of phrasing the question that we were throwing out to all of you callers when I said,
14:32should they have a plan B?
14:34And Joe says, well, of course they should have a plan.
14:37Right.
14:38Yes.
14:38And they do.
14:39Whether it's working or not, whether you agree with it or not, that's fine.
14:43Yes, have a plan.
14:45My question is more like, should we still expect the Warriors to be able to function in the playoffs against a really good team when Steph is out?
14:56I don't agree with what Joe just said there at the end.
14:59You're a championship team.
15:01You pick up without your star and you move on anyway.
15:03No, you don't.
15:05That's not what history suggests.
15:07Yeah, it's difficult.
15:07No, you don't.
15:09It's difficult.
15:09And this team, this is not just any star.
15:13This is not like the Cavs missing Donovan Mitchell.
15:16This is literally one of the best players in the history of this sport.
15:20And he is the highest paid player in the game.
15:23So there's no question that the roster is top heavy.
15:26And I support that.
15:27It should be that way.
15:29And this is the risk you take in that situation, which is if he gets hurt, you're hosed.
15:35And I hate to say it that way, but that's how I feel the Warriors are right now.
15:39Yeah, I don't necessarily agree with the fact that they're hosed.
15:44And I agree with the caller about game three Saturday night where that's the one where you had Jimmy Butler play well and Draymond Green did not.
15:53So you're only hosed if your other two stars don't play well.
15:57And I know it's a big ask to have them both play great, but you had Kaminga with a couple of step up games and you had Jimmy play well and won.
16:05I thought Draymond was good-ish last night.
16:09He was fine.
16:10He was fine.
16:10And the game got away from the Warriors and then it didn't really matter what Draymond did.
16:14He hit some early threes.
16:15He defended really well, I thought.
16:17He had a couple of turnovers that had me like screaming at the TV, screaming at electronics like you're talking about.
16:23Almost every game, he's had some frustration.
16:25So you take their stars against your stars last night.
16:28Their stars were better.
16:30In order to stay in that game, you would need the others to not spit up on themselves.
16:35And that's basically what every other member outside of Kaminga did.
16:39I guess maybe here's an extension of what I'm saying, though.
16:44Look, this is the NBA.
16:45You have to be accountable for your play.
16:47So, if you're going to go one for ten in games like Pods did a couple of games ago, you're going to get fans riled up and they're going to call that out and that's fine.
16:58And I don't think these guys have a problem with accountability.
17:01However, I do give all of the players, all of them, some grace in that their jobs are much harder.
17:11Their jobs are not the same.
17:13And I think that a lot of people, they look at these players through the exact same lens as when Steph is playing.
17:20The first thing out of Jimmy Butler's mouth, literally after the injury, no joke, first interview, Warriors win game one, and they asked him when he got to the podium, what'd you learn out there today?
17:33And he said that basketball is a lot harder when Steph Curry is not on the floor.
17:40And that's true for all of them.
17:41So, I give them that grace.
17:44Their shots are not going to be as easy.
17:46The offense is not going to flow the same way.
17:48They all have a different role and that role becomes more important and harder.
17:53And so, of course, you're going to get, at least on a given night, a lot of them are going to underperform.
17:59Because they're just, they're sort of being, I think, not all of them, but some of them are being asked to do things they're not usually capable of doing.
18:06Well, that's most of them.
18:07And that's where, you know, I push back on a lot of the pods criticism because, yes, you would hope that he would be better than one for 10 and three for 14.
18:16And he shot 14 times and he made three of them.
18:19And that's really, really bad.
18:21Four for 24 these last two nights?
18:22I believe so.
18:23Yes.
18:24But that's bad.
18:25But for me, the bigger point is you're asking him and you're needing him to do that because Jimmy Butler shot nine times.
18:33And Moses Moody is not really in the rotation.
18:36Kaminga is cook and let J.K. cook.
18:38But you're not getting offense from really anybody.
18:41And some of these shots that Pods is taking are like the you take it guy.
18:46Late clock, like late clock bombs.
18:49And it's like the poor guy's percentage is not good anyway.
18:53And now he's shooting 28 foot step backs because the clock's at one.
18:57I think a lot of guys, a lot of guys have had at least a handful of these since Steph Curry went out.
19:03And I think it was Shasky this morning who called them grenades.
19:07Oh, yeah.
19:07Yeah, they're grenades.
19:08And if you don't know what that means is like somebody's trying to penetrate.
19:13And then there's three seconds on the shot clock and it doesn't work.
19:17Or they go around a corner and Rudy Gobert is standing there and they're like, oh, crap.
19:21And so they just turn around and throw it to somebody flat footed four feet beyond the three point arc.
19:27And there's 2.1 seconds to go on the shot clock.
19:31And so it's like a fall away huck job up toward the hoop just to see if you can hit the rim.
19:36And it goes flying into the third row.
19:39And fans are looking at it going, dude, this guy's cold.
19:43Like the offense is out of sync, obviously.
19:48Yeah.
19:48And it should be.
19:50It should be.
19:51The whole thing has cratered.
19:54They don't have Steph Curry.
19:55It's not going to look the same.
19:57And I fully accept that.
19:59Let's go to Smitty in the city.
20:02Hi, Smitty.
20:02Thanks for calling.
20:04What up, guys?
20:06I just wanted to say that I think Warriors fans should be happy where we're at.
20:14In the second round of the playoffs, you know, in my opinion, that this team's roster,
20:20even at the beginning of the year before Jimmy, was a kind of quiet rebuild, if you want to call it that.
20:31You know, our expectations were low.
20:33Even after getting Jimmy Butler, you know, it wasn't like Jimmy was going to win us a championship.
20:39What getting Jimmy did was put us back in the conversation for ownership to kind of maybe dig deeper into that pocket
20:47and maybe make some acquisitions next season.
20:52This was kind of the test run, and we've shown that the test run is good and can work.
20:59So, next year, we'll come back stronger, make some acquisitions, and make a run at it.
21:07The other thing I wanted to say.
21:08No, go ahead, Smitty, if you had another thing.
21:12And then just De'Anthony Melton.
21:14I was just wondering if you guys think that he would have been a huge –
21:19I mean, he was playing great ball before he got hurt, and it's clear we could have used him.
21:25Just having one more good caliber player on the team could have really helped us.
21:31And I think next year we'll get a couple more of those players and can make a better run at it.
21:37Smitty, thanks.
21:37I know a lot of Warrior fans would love to see De'Anthony Melton back with the team next year.
21:41I don't know physically what shape he'll be in, if he's interested, if the Warriors are interested.
21:46I have no idea.
21:47But in a very, very short period of time, he raised some eyebrows.
21:51That's for sure.
21:52Right, and a lot of this is dependent on whether or not Joe Lacob wants to get on up into that second apron.
21:58Because you look at next year, and you got 59.6 for Steph and 54.1 for Jimmy and 26 for Draymond.
22:05Yeah, but Melton was a mid-level exception guy, and you will have that again.
22:09Right, but you're going to, no matter what you spend in the mid-level, that's going to take you up into that second apron.
22:14That's okay.
22:14And also, you're going to have to figure out what to do about Looney, Kaminga, and Peyton, who are all, like, two of them are real free agents, and Kaminga's restricted.
22:24So, if Kaminga can command 25, I don't think you can pay him 25 and pay a guy in the mid-level, and then, you know, surround him with Noxie and Gee and the fellas?
22:35Yeah.
22:35That, to me, is not the answer.
22:36So, I know this is not a conversation for today, but the roster construction is going to be very, very difficult.
22:43It has been for a very long time.
22:47Yes, absolutely.
22:48It has been for a very, very long time, and this offseason, whenever it gets here, will be no different, I'm sure.