America's Most Wanted: Missing Persons - Season 1 Episode 3
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00:00Five-year-old, nine-year-old, 14-year-old Gina DeJesus never made it home.
00:11It's a family's worst nightmare.
00:13A son, a daughter, a loved one.
00:16We're doing everything we possibly can to help you.
00:19Gone without a trace.
00:21America's Most Wanted has brought justice and hope to families across America,
00:25helping to bring more than 65 missing children home.
00:28Thanks to some tipsters, Elizabeth Smart was recovered alive.
00:34Now we carry that legacy forward with a single mission, to bring the missing home.
00:39This hole in my heart, where Chelsea's supposed to be.
00:43We've assembled a team to lead the search.
00:45Boots on the ground.
00:46Gabby Petito's father, Joe Petito.
00:48Carlos Smart's literally right here.
00:50Survivor, advocate, and investigator, Kara Robinson-Chamberlain.
00:54Former undercover detective Derek LeVasser.
00:56Maybe someone out there can do something.
00:59True crime podcaster, Payne Lindsey.
01:01Somebody needs to be asked some hard questions.
01:03Working with investigators and listening to families.
01:06Why would he take the van?
01:07Why would he take my phone?
01:09There's no more waiting.
01:11Tonight, we're going to find them.
01:13No family should have to wonder what happened to their child.
01:16She just vanished.
01:17We need your eyes.
01:18We need your voice.
01:20We're one tip away from changing the course of this case.
01:23We need your help.
01:24It's a missing piece to the family.
01:26I miss my son.
01:28Because one sighting, one tip, one moment.
01:31Move this place.
01:32Can bring someone home.
01:33Oh!
01:34We never stop searching, because we know the families won't stop either.
01:38The search begins now.
01:40Good evening.
01:45I'm Harris Faulkner.
01:46And this is America's Most Wanted, Missing Persons.
01:49A new show following the lead of the iconic true crime series.
01:53We have three urgent cases to dive into tonight.
01:56And we've assembled a fantastic team of experts to help us.
01:59Derek LeVasser, former undercover detective who has worked with the FBI and the DEA.
02:06Kara Robinson-Chamberlain, a child abduction survivor who escaped her captor and went on to become a deputy sheriff.
02:14And our special guest, Joe Petito.
02:17After the disappearance and tragic loss of his daughter, Gabby, he has made it his mission to help other families find their loved ones.
02:25And you recently went to Arizona to help David Robinson search for his son, Daniel.
02:30I've been friends with David now for a few years.
02:33And the torment that he's had to go through day in and day out, I don't understand the strength that that takes.
02:38And he really is someone to be admired.
02:40Yeah, you both are.
02:41I'm glad you're here.
02:42And you're helping us solve more here.
02:44So let's get to the first case.
02:45In the fall of 2023, 32-year-old Chelsea Grimm vanished in the Arizona desert.
02:50And Chelsea's circumstances are hauntingly similar to that of Gabby Petito's, a missing young woman and a heartbroken family.
03:03Hello.
03:04Are you doing all right?
03:05Yeah, I just was doing a photo shoot of the lost soldiers and got a little emotional.
03:10So I was crying before I got back on the road.
03:12I'm just making sure someone called it in.
03:14Oh, I'm sorry.
03:15No, no, you're quite all right.
03:16I'm just going to sit here and cry.
03:17All right.
03:18You're good to go.
03:20Hi.
03:25Janet Grimm.
03:26Joe Petito, how are you doing, Janet?
03:27So nice to meet you.
03:28Hey, Joe, Steve.
03:29Steve, nice to meet you.
03:29Good to see you.
03:30Come on in.
03:31This is a case of Chelsea Grimm.
03:33A lot of similarities to our own personal story when it came to Gabby.
03:38Cross-country trip, camping.
03:40But Chelsea's been missing for 18 months.
03:43It's my understanding Chelsea was coming from San Diego, working her way throughout the country, to come to a wedding.
03:50She was.
03:51Chelsea had broken up with her boyfriend.
03:54She got as far as Arizona, and she didn't think she could make it in time for the wedding.
03:58And she said, I'm going to do a little camping and have some me time.
04:02When she left San Diego, she was distraught.
04:08She actually said, don't worry.
04:10I'm going to be off the grid.
04:11It'll just be a couple of days.
04:13The last time we talked to her was the 27th.
04:16The last time she was actually seen alive was on the 30th.
04:20We reported her missing October 4th, and they found her car the next morning.
04:26With two flat tires, all of her stuff is in it.
04:30And it's in the middle of nowhere.
04:33It's your worst nightmare.
04:40Chelsea is our second daughter.
04:43She has tons of energy.
04:45Happy birthday to you.
04:48She developed early on a knack for getting attention.
04:53The way she approaches her life has always been a little different from the way people approach the world.
05:00Her car was found on a national forest service road.
05:04Yes.
05:0515 miles off of the last paved road.
05:07So do you think that there's a possibility that a nefarious incident happened?
05:12That was our first instinct, for sure.
05:15She left her camera in her car.
05:18Chelsea never went anywhere without her camera.
05:21She loved taking pictures.
05:22And leaving her camera is inconceivable to me.
05:26The fact that Chelsea left her camera behind is very concerning for her.
05:30But it wasn't just her camera either.
05:32Chelsea had a to-do list in her vehicle.
05:34A couple of the items were to meditate and to be baptized.
05:37What do you think, in your opinion, happened?
05:41I wouldn't be surprised that she's joined an organization that's spiritually based.
05:46Frankly, if we found her in one of those and she's okay, we would be pretty thrilled.
05:51Yeah.
05:53Not a doubt.
05:53Yeah.
05:54You know, that's the best case scenario for the most part.
05:57It kind of feels that way.
05:58The problem is, until we find out what happened to her, this hole in my heart, where Chelsea's
06:04supposed to be, won't go away.
06:06Yeah.
06:06And to live like that forever just seems impossible.
06:10Thank you for the strength it even takes to talk about it.
06:14We're going to go out there and reinvigorate, you know, the case in a way and see what we
06:18can do, you know.
06:19I just can't go back there again.
06:21I understand that.
06:22I can't even really imagine going back there again.
06:31I connected with Janet Steve because I understand the heartache and pain.
06:35Everybody that's on that missing person list needs to be found.
06:38That's why we're here, to help put that message out there.
06:41If it's okay with you guys, kind of, we'll start off with the timeline.
06:44So if we break down the timeline, September 28th, she's contacted by that police officer.
06:50I was just doing a photo shoot.
06:51If it's okay with you to hang out here for another, like, 15 or 20 and then head on the
06:55road, that would be my plan, I think.
06:58She then goes into someone's driveway.
07:02What are you doing?
07:03You're driving on my guard.
07:06She's a sloth.
07:09And then she goes deeper into the woods.
07:12That vehicle was there until October 5th.
07:16There weren't a lot of footprints and stuff around the vehicle.
07:20No.
07:21Based on the photos on the camera, she took a picture of the clothing under the tree.
07:25Other than that, we really haven't found any clues.
07:28You know, where the vehicle was, it's right here.
07:31All these lines are individual searchers.
07:33We had search dogs.
07:35We used drones.
07:36We used helicopter.
07:37Then we posted missing person flyers throughout the area.
07:39Chelsea left her significant other.
07:43You guys feel mean on how that worked out?
07:45We were never able to establish at any point he ever actually enters the state of Arizona.
07:50Gotcha.
07:51Talking with the Coconino County Sheriff's Office, they were able to determine that the ex-boyfriend
07:56didn't have the means or the availability to leave where he lived to go to where Chelsea was.
08:02The dad thinks that there might be some cutoff community.
08:07We did have a theory for a possible cult.
08:11We have no information or knowledge that that exists.
08:14Gotcha.
08:14All right.
08:14One of the theories is something nefarious could have happened, you know what I mean, walking back to town.
08:19There was no evidence of a homicide.
08:22There was no evidence of a kidnapping.
08:24Okay, so let me ask you this.
08:25Two flat tires?
08:28Do you see that often?
08:29Usually it's one.
08:30I found it very odd that she had two flat tires.
08:33Didn't call AAA, but she had AAA, so that was odd.
08:37Based on the investigation, we felt like the most appropriate lost person behavior category was maybe a mental health issue,
08:42and she just got outside the vehicle and was lost.
08:45I believe she walks away from that vehicle, and in that area, it puts you into some hazardous conditions.
08:52There's mountain lions.
08:53There's other types of wild animals operating in this region.
08:56Gotcha.
08:57All right, so best guess, either she got lost in the wilderness, something happened by an animal or something like that,
09:04or a cold or something, or someone passing by.
09:06Took advantage of an opportunity.
09:09There weren't a lot of clues.
09:10No family should have to wonder what happened to their child.
09:14After Gabby, we made a promise that we're going to try and help as many people as we can.
09:18There's not a lot of clues out there, but going to the spot where Chelsea's vehicle was last located
09:24could be the deciding factor in how she's found.
09:27Wow.
09:32What was it like meeting the Grimms?
09:34I was really nervous going to meet them for the first time, believe it or not,
09:38because I might have a little bit of guilt.
09:40I was able to bring Gabby home, where it's almost two years, and they haven't been able to bring Chelsea home yet.
09:45You know, you got to see the topography there, and I've been through the Coconino Forest.
09:51It's not easy.
09:52No.
09:52How much did it help you to actually, though, be on the ground there?
09:56It really gave me a perspective of what might have happened while being out there,
09:59seeing the direction her car was in, seeing what state her car was in.
10:03There's a lot of speculation, but it really gave me perspective on what possibly happened.
10:07I think it seems most probable that she was going for help.
10:11She maybe left on foot trying to get help or trying to find a space that was not so vulnerable,
10:16and then possibly became a victim of opportunity.
10:19Agreed.
10:20Well, so Chelsea started off on the 24th, heading towards Phoenix to meet up with a friend.
10:26She met up with this friend on the 27th of September.
10:29Now, those three days that passed, where did she stay?
10:33Where are the hotels?
10:35Was it just camping in her car?
10:37We don't have that information.
10:39She was going to meet her friend on the 28th in Phoenix again,
10:43but instead drove three hours north, 170 miles towards the Khabib National Forest,
10:49and there's not a lot out there.
10:50So just stopping for gas on a highway exit is not something you can do readily, easily over there.
10:55Yeah, there's not a lot out there, but there is a lot of traffic, believe it or not.
10:58And I think, Joe, there's not a better person to be on this,
11:01because we know from Gabby's case, it took a YouTuber online having some footage that was trivial that saw Gabby's van.
11:07So this case is promising, because there may have been someone who traveled through there
11:11and saw something that they don't know at this point how valuable that information really is.
11:16Take a look at what you have in terms of captured video on your phone.
11:19You might have seen something.
11:21Right.
11:21And if you have any information, please call 1-866-AMW-TIPS or go to our website, amwtips.com.
11:29Still to come in part two of Chelsea's story.
11:33On the last day she was out here, she takes that photograph, you can see the truck leaving.
11:39Couldn't have been an animal.
11:40Did she go off the grid or even just a crime of opportunity?
11:44And then later, the producer's screaming, Terrence, stop!
11:47Next thing I know, he's running off the side of the mountain.
11:49We stayed in this little area, and I'm like, this guy's long gone!
11:53Savannah went downtown.
11:55He was the last person to see her alive.
11:57After she went missing, someone attempted, used her cash-up card.
12:01She just vanished.
12:14Welcome back.
12:15The search for Chelsea Grimm continues.
12:18In part two of our story, Joe Petito talks to private investigators and gets new details that could blow this case wide open.
12:27I can't believe she drove this.
12:35If it was dark and I was driving, we'd get lost.
12:38Talking with the sheriff's office, they classified it as a mental health issue.
12:43Now we're going to speak to the private investigators to see what theories they have.
12:49No, I mean, there really is nothing out here.
12:51No, there's really not.
12:53Any direction from here on foot's going to take you days.
12:56The car was parked literally right here.
13:01Right in the center of the road.
13:03On the last day she was out here, there was a set of hunters that came by in the morning.
13:08They asked her if she was okay.
13:09She said she was, so she went about their business.
13:12Around midday, an Arizona game to fish officer tells her that if she felt like she needed to walk to town, she needed to go back the way she came.
13:20About 5.35, 5.45, she comes across woodcutters.
13:24So we asked her if she had any trouble.
13:26She said, no, we're fine.
13:27She says, I'm just taking pictures and you just missed the beautiful sunset.
13:30She sits here after she had contact with the woodcutters and then she takes a photograph from her driver's seat into her mirror.
13:37So it was the woodcutter with the license plate and the side mirror.
13:39Right.
13:40You could see the truck leaving and then her last photograph was taken out her front windshield right there.
13:46And that's it.
13:46That's the last thing we know that she did.
13:50Chelsea did run into a lot of people.
13:52Maybe she ran into one that wasn't good.
13:53Even after 18 months, a local search team of American Legion members continue to search for clues to Chelsea's whereabouts.
14:02Shifting through all her photos to find items that we believe she took with her.
14:06The things that are not accounted for are two very large leather-bound books, some jewelry, a pair of French-branded glasses called Privé Rambu, and her bearded dragon named Roski.
14:18Let's see what they can find, huh?
14:24There's nothing out there for miles and miles.
14:26A couple weeks killed me.
14:27Right.
14:28When you start talking 18 months, four years, no family should have to go through this.
14:32Seeing the people that came out trying to help search for Chelsea, it's just amazing to see, and we need more of it.
14:37So please continue it.
14:41Oh.
14:42What do you think that is?
14:43An elk?
14:44It couldn't have been an animal, an aggressive mountain lion.
14:46Imagine a 32-year-old with nothing to defend herself.
14:51Maybe something did happen with an animal.
14:53I don't think that in her mind she was thinking how risky it is to be in a place like this.
14:58This terrain here is not conducive for a person on their own.
15:01There are campsites up here.
15:02There are hunters that go up here.
15:04I could see Chelsea.
15:05She just wanted to cut off, went off to some off-the-grid community, or even someone just coming along, and just a crime of opportunity.
15:13Regardless of if it was a mental health issue or any other issue, the fact is Chelsea's missing and needs to be found.
15:23All right, so we know that there's some pictures, and we know how much she loved her camera.
15:31She took careful care with the camera and those belongings in the back of the car.
15:35It's like she knew she was going to come back to that vehicle, potentially.
15:39So, Joe, what does that tell you?
15:40It eliminates some things that were said before, which is the mental health crisis that might have been happening.
15:48And a lot of times, labels get put on missing person cases.
15:51Yeah, I definitely see that happening in cases often.
15:55But a missing person is a missing person.
15:57Whether there's a mental health crisis, whether someone's a runaway, as I was listed, it doesn't matter at the end of the day.
16:02It's someone who needs to be found.
16:04And two things can be true, right?
16:05She could have been experiencing some type of mental anguish and yet still encountered someone with malice intent.
16:11Kara, what are your thoughts?
16:13I want to remind people that victims don't always act the way you think they should act.
16:18You can take a case like mine where I was initially listed as a runaway.
16:22The neighbor saw me willingly get into the car.
16:24And so, ultimately, had I not escaped, I would be another missing person, possibly.
16:30I would be another murdered girl.
16:32So the search was different.
16:34I think Kara's case is important to really understand in this one as well.
16:39Because with Kara, obviously, her offender came up within a matter of seconds with a gun and it changed everything.
16:44And when we think about Chelsea, a lot of people approached her and she politely declined.
16:48She didn't want the help.
16:50But what if she met someone who didn't take no for an answer?
16:52And if they're a hunter or a camper, more than likely, what are they going to have on them?
16:55A firearm, a knife.
16:57So in that situation, a young woman, alone, out in the wood, maybe not feeling her best at that moment,
17:02it would be easy to take advantage of her, especially if they had a weapon.
17:05What about her list?
17:07She left a list behind it.
17:08Yes, this is fascinating.
17:09Let's pull it up.
17:09So to me, the most interesting thing about it is what's not here.
17:13And what I mean by that, well, what's missing from this photo?
17:16The rest of the notebook.
17:17And we know that one of the leather-bound books is missing.
17:20So for me, I would love to have access to the rest of that notebook to know what that plan was.
17:25And I actually find it interesting where she crosses out, meditate, and keeps, read the Bible.
17:31And it kind of plays into this together.
17:33So there could be this element of her joining into some spiritual community.
17:39Yeah, there was a photo that she took that looked like a makeshift shrine that potentially she made.
17:43And what's interesting about this photo is if there's campers out there right now in this area
17:48and they see something similar to this, they need to take a photo of it.
17:51They need to document the location because if we find a few of them, it might lead us to Chelsea.
17:55I think the same exact thing that helps us bring Gabby home can be the key to bringing Chelsea home.
18:01Again, Jen Bethune was able to bring Gabby home for us with the video that she found
18:07of going through the Teton National Park.
18:09But I'll tell you right now...
18:10And by the way, at the time, not looking for your daughter.
18:12Yeah.
18:12Not knowing how significant that video would be.
18:16That's what's important here.
18:16Because someone else could have video in this case as well.
18:19But heard the call to action.
18:20Yeah, 100%.
18:21And took the time.
18:21Again, Gabby, from Wyoming down to Florida, he could have dropped her body in Nebraska.
18:28Who was going to be able to identify her at that point, especially if there wasn't the
18:31social media presence that we had?
18:32You know, I have to say this.
18:34You blow me away, Joe.
18:35You really do.
18:37And Gabby created some of that social media presence with being who she was.
18:41I'll tell you this.
18:43The worst thing that's ever happened to me in my life was a phone call I received on
18:46September 19, 2021.
18:49If I can get past that day, nothing else is going to hurt me as much as that.
18:53So having these conversations that we're having now and talking to families isn't going to
18:57hurt me as much as that.
18:58So I know that I can do this.
19:01And together, we're going to make a difference and hopefully bring Chelsea and everyone on
19:05that missing person list home.
19:06That's right.
19:07We will.
19:08Kara, if you could, what would you say to Chelsea?
19:11If you're out there and you're being held against your will, there will be a moment of
19:14complacency.
19:16That's your chance to escape.
19:17You're brave enough.
19:18You're strong enough.
19:19You're worth it.
19:19You can do it.
19:20Amen.
19:21Remember, if you at home know anything at all, please call 1-866-AMW-TIPS or go to our
19:28website, amwtips.com.
19:31Stay close.
19:31Welcome back.
19:46Our search for the missing continues, this time for 26-year-old Terrence Woods Jr.
19:52He was working on a TV show in Idaho when he allegedly took off running down a cliff and
19:58vanished.
19:59What caused him to run?
20:01And how do we find him?
20:03I want everyone to watch this.
20:10So this is, this is T's room.
20:14This is the way his room was the day I took him to the airport, September 30th, 2018.
20:19Here's T.
20:21Hello.
20:22That's us together.
20:23He had a traveling bug.
20:25He would show me his passport.
20:26He said, Dad, look at my passport.
20:27It stamped this.
20:28I'm going here.
20:29After he graduated from University of Maryland, he moved to London.
20:34Then he started working for the TV industry.
20:37He left to go to Idaho September 30th, 2018.
20:42And they were going to do this shoot.
20:43They were supposed to be gone for two weeks.
20:44Then the next time I heard from him, he said that he was coming home early.
20:49And that was the last time I heard from him before he allegedly disappeared off a cliff.
20:56London was my first ever destination house of the U.S.
20:58And one of my favorite things about it easily was just staring at the Palace of Westminster.
21:01These are videos from Woods' Vimeo page that show he's worked on a number of productions around the world.
21:07The 26-year-old was part of a dozen-person crew shooting a documentary in the Oro Grande area with a London production company called Raw TV when he got separated.
21:16Witnesses on the scene told the sheriff's office Woods had been acting strange.
21:21We met Terrence in Grangeville.
21:25He was like an assistant on the shoot.
21:28That morning, I remember seeing Terrence with my wife, Sheree, on the little road that led out of there.
21:35I think she knew his whole life information before the end of the day.
21:39We met and we talked for a long time.
21:43There was something with his family dynamics.
21:47He says, oh, my mom is having major surgery.
21:52And then he says, oh, and my dad.
21:54He's going blind.
21:57That was a picture he was painting, this whole thing.
22:02A couple hours later, we hear, it's a wrap!
22:07And some of them are singing because they're coming back.
22:09And so we walk over here.
22:11He was about 30 feet away.
22:13And he stands there and he turns around.
22:15He has a radio in his hand and he put the radio down on the ground behind him.
22:19At that point, I turned around and then all of a sudden, the producers start screaming,
22:25Terrence, stop!
22:26Stop, Terrence!
22:29He was running down the mountain.
22:32The producer goes running after him.
22:36I could hear all this brush breaking and branches breaking.
22:38And I'm like, what in the world is going on?
22:41I asked my wife, what's happening?
22:42She goes, I don't know.
22:43Next thing I know, he's running off the side of the mountain.
22:48He absolutely vanished.
22:50We got the call and we did some basic searching from the information that we got, but we saw
23:00no signs of him.
23:02The next day, we got all the dog teams, helicopter.
23:08We were gridding the whole mountainside.
23:10We stayed focused in this little area the whole time.
23:20And I'm like, this guy's long gone.
23:23We had trackers come in and they tracked him down to a road crossing.
23:29And they thought that they could see his slide marks down to the road base.
23:35That was it.
23:38His dad said the things he told me were not true.
23:41But at the time, I thought, oh, this poor guy, he's got such a sad life that he wanted
23:47to go kill himself in the forest.
23:51I mean, I can't even fathom that he ran down a cliff.
23:53But if he was to run, he wouldn't have been talking calm and normal to someone and then
23:58all of a sudden take off running.
24:01If he was to run, he's going to run because he's afraid of something.
24:08People think he fell into a mine shaft, but I don't because show me the mine shaft.
24:14A bear or a mountain lion, there would be remains.
24:17There would be some type of evidence.
24:19Do you think Terrence is alive?
24:21Oh, yeah, I think he's alive.
24:25Maybe he knew beforehand where they were shooting.
24:29He could Google it.
24:30He could find out where it was.
24:31He wanted to fake a death, start over, start a new life.
24:36He couldn't have gotten lost if he just went down because he's going to cross a road.
24:39But one of the thoughts is that somebody picked him up.
24:44The night before, a girl at the restaurant they went to gave him her number.
24:50And then the night he vanished, that girl and another girl show up to where he ran down
24:56the mountain.
24:57How did they know he disappeared?
24:58The pen on mine is way out there.
25:03And for him to plan something, he'd have to plan it really well.
25:08What I remember, he had like just a lightweight jacket.
25:11You know, when you're out in the elements, you need to be prepared a little bit.
25:14And I don't think he was prepared.
25:16And maybe you had a panic attack and you ran down for a little ways and you've thrown a
25:21hole someplace.
25:21But you would have thought we would have found him by then, you know, it's no explanation.
25:29What I'm dealing with is like a cancer.
25:32So it's killing me slowly.
25:35But I'm going to stay strong to find out the truth.
25:37I would like to ask anyone that know the truth or seen anything that happened to my son.
25:45Don't be afraid.
25:46Please get in touch with the authorities.
25:50Let them know what you know.
25:52So that we can find the truth out and I can at least get closure.
25:55Do it hurt?
25:59Come on, man.
26:00It's killing me.
26:02But as long as there's things that remind me of him, he's always here.
26:08He's always here.
26:15We hear that dad loud and clear and we want to help him.
26:18And also welcome back Payne Lindsey.
26:20Tell me your top thoughts on this.
26:22I mean, it's just so weird.
26:24There's too much he said, she said here.
26:26We're going off of eyewitness testimony, which is not always that reliable.
26:31It's notoriously unreliable.
26:32The father suspecting foul play.
26:34Hey, I don't blame him because what happened?
26:36It doesn't make sense.
26:37If he did run down this hill, why would he do that?
26:40What was he running from?
26:42That's the big question for me.
26:43There should be answers to those questions if we're trying to find a missing person.
26:47And I also think it's perspective.
26:48I've interviewed thousands of people.
26:50They've all been at the same crime scene.
26:52And yet they all have different opinions on what they saw.
26:54They're not lying to me.
26:55They're trying to tell me the truth.
26:56But not all witnesses are created equal.
26:58That's true.
26:59All right.
27:00We'll get into a lot more of this coming up.
27:02What really happened to Terrence and how you can help find him?
27:07Stay close.
27:08Here's Teeth.
27:21Hello.
27:22That's us together.
27:24He doesn't want to put his head with mine, baby.
27:27Poison ivy.
27:28That's not poison ivy.
27:30Well, look.
27:31When we look at this, the dad says he allegedly disappeared, which might indicate foul play.
27:36What's your take?
27:37I mean, he ran into the woods.
27:39Who was in those woods at the time?
27:40We won't know.
27:41These are questions I would love to have answered.
27:43The idea of him running off of a cliff, everyone seeing him run, and then he vanishes without a trace.
27:50They have this slide mark down to a road and then nothing.
27:53So I think there's more questions than there are answers in this case.
27:56And it is a tough terrain.
27:58I didn't know about all the mine shafts and air vents and all of that.
28:01They were out there.
28:02They had canines out there eventually.
28:04They had horses out there.
28:05They had volunteers out there.
28:06They had a helicopter with thermal imaging.
28:08No sign of Terrence anywhere, which you go either way with it.
28:12He wasn't there or he's underground in a mine shaft.
28:15But I've seen these really deep mine shafts.
28:18They are no joke.
28:19You take one wrong step and you are gone forever in a hole in the earth.
28:23I don't live very far from the Appalachian Mountains.
28:26And there have been maps where you overlay missing persons with the cave systems in the Appalachian Mountains.
28:32And they seem to line up pretty closely.
28:34That leads me to believe more towards the mine shaft.
28:38So let me play devil's advocate for a second because the problem with this case, and I think the reason we're covering it, is you have the text message to his dad saying he was coming home early.
28:46Why?
28:46You also have trackers who went out there, and allegedly they were able to follow something, and it led to a road.
28:52And on that road, they said on the embankment, they saw slid marks that might belong to Terrence.
28:57So if that's true, what happened from there?
28:59Did he get picked up in a car?
29:00Did he continue traveling across it?
29:02We just don't know.
29:03We know there are no major highways in this area.
29:06But if he did get picked up by a car, he could be anywhere at this point in time.
29:10This doesn't seem like a young man who would leave the face of the earth without saying goodbye to dad.
29:14I agree with you.
29:16This right here is his last text message.
29:18It was sent at 844 the morning of the day he went missing.
29:22What's very strange about this is that he tells his dad, I'll be coming back on the 10th now.
29:28The shoot had several weeks left on it.
29:30This was sent on the 5th.
29:32Why is he planning on coming home early in the first place?
29:35What's the likelihood that no one on that set knew why he was coming home early?
29:39Trying to figure out ways to leave early tells me that he's not exactly happy on set.
29:45Yeah.
29:45I don't know.
29:46It is worth noting, Raw TV issued a statement in 2024.
29:50Here it is.
29:51Terrence was a popular figure at Raw.
29:54He was a well-liked and valued member of the production team, and his disappearance greatly affected us all.
29:59We have the deepest sympathy for Terrence's family and friends.
30:03It is truly heartbreaking that he has not been found, and we continue to hope that he will be.
30:08All of that is a quote from Raw TV, and authorities have ruled out foul play.
30:12So the question now is, well, what more can they do, Derek?
30:17I think we need to go back to ground zero, start again.
30:19I think about drones.
30:21Their capabilities are exponentially better, so we need to send a team back up there, make a map, start marking off mineshafts one by one,
30:29send those drones down to those deeper areas where maybe they couldn't get to in 2018, because that might solve the problem.
30:34We might be able to find him a piece of clothing, a shoe, something to indicate that Terrence was there.
30:40That's where we need to start.
30:41I mean, where are my armchair detectives at?
30:43I'm talking about Reddit, the Internet.
30:45I want people online, post pictures, do all your analysis, look at the maps.
30:51We've solved cases before online.
30:53Let's do it again.
30:54That's exactly how we brought Gabby home.
30:56Take a look at the picture, screenshot it, save it.
30:59This is a handsome young man that deserves all the attention that Gabby just got as well.
31:04We have to help this dad.
31:06It really does break my heart that he's had to do this for, what, six years now?
31:10Mm-hmm.
31:11It's a constant type of pain that no one discusses.
31:14This is not something that's ever going to go away, ever.
31:19God bless you, Joe.
31:20Terrence's family needs all of us to help.
31:25Remember, the number to call, 1-866-AMW-TIPS, or go to our website right now, amwtips.com, to help us help them.
31:35Coming up, we have exclusive surveillance footage from the last night a missing college student was ever seen.
31:43And we have reason to believe she is still alive.
31:46Stay with us.
31:50Welcome back to Missing Persons.
32:0222-year-old Savannah Hale has been missing since May of 2022.
32:08And we have exclusive surveillance video from the last time she was seen in Shreveport, Louisiana.
32:14Plus, a shocking discovery.
32:16Savannah's cash app card was actually used years after her disappearance.
32:21May 4th, 2022, I woke up around 8.30 a.m., and my sister Savannah had left me this voicemail.
32:33I wasn't planning on letting it go to voicemail, but, you know, if you're a good kid, she can, you know, call me up or whatever.
32:42Love you.
32:42Okay, bye.
32:43I tried to call her, but I could not reach her.
32:48You know, it's not like Savannah to just disappear.
32:52Savannah was kind, smart, funny.
33:02She loved to sing.
33:03I think that I might go cry myself to sleep.
33:11She meant everything to me.
33:13Still does.
33:13She still means everything to me.
33:15She was last seen with her boyfriend going out to a bar that evening.
33:21We know that Savannah and the boyfriend went downtown to go celebrate his birthday, had a few drinks, came back home between 3 and 4.
33:31And boyfriend's story was they passed out, went to sleep.
33:35And then he woke up, and she was not there.
33:39He says that he assumes that Savannah went through his phone and found something that she did not like, as far as him talking to his ex-girlfriend.
33:47And that might have been the reason why she left.
33:50He says that she gathered her clothing, toiletries, laptop, and left.
33:55At this time, there's no evidence indicating the boyfriend is involved in Savannah's disappearance.
34:006-0-8, there was a voicemail from Savannah to her sister that did not appear to leave any alarm.
34:12But she also sent a text message.
34:16The text message was at 6.42 a.m.
34:19Kirsten, I can't do it anymore.
34:21I can't do it.
34:22I love you so much, and I'm sorry.
34:24I'm sorry I can't do it.
34:26I'm so sorry.
34:29Sorry, I need a moment.
34:30Savannah has struggled with depression for a long time.
34:43She has gotten help.
34:44She was seeing a therapist weekly.
34:46That last month, she did not seem like she was suicidal.
34:51That's what the strange part was with Savannah taking a few of her belongings.
34:55Did she just go start a new life?
34:57The only thing that even indicates it being suicide is a text message.
35:03To me, the voicemail just kind of contradicts that text message, and they're only 30 minutes apart.
35:09Call me up.
35:10I love you.
35:10On her Google Maps, you can see her driving path from that day.
35:18Her last hash-up transaction was at the Chevron when she had called me.
35:22The last known location that we can pinpoint Savannah Hale was approximately 7 o'clock in the morning when her vehicle was seen leaving the Louisiana Tower parking garage.
35:32Savannah has not been seen from or heard from since then.
35:36Almost as if she just vanished.
35:37Six months after she went missing, someone attempted to use her cash-up card.
35:49Either somebody has access to her account, or she, in fact, is still using that account.
35:55Savannah Hale's case, there are numerous possibilities as to what happened, whether it's suicide, whether it's starting a new life.
36:03All we can do is speculate.
36:06If there's anyone out there that does know anything or has seen anything, I beg you, please, please share.
36:17We need her home.
36:18We're ready for her to come home.
36:24We have to help her find her sister, so can you pinpoint some areas of hope?
36:29Well, the cash-up thing would be huge for me.
36:31I also think the fact that we're not only talking about a missing person, but a missing vehicle.
36:36A lot harder to hide.
36:38But I'm excited about this case.
36:40I think there's a real potential to solve it because I don't necessarily think it's going to be law enforcement that solves this one.
36:45It's going to be a concerned citizen who saw her vehicle or saw her, and that's what's going to get us back on the right path.
36:51Yeah, let's talk about the vehicle.
36:53So it's a 2012 Kia Forte.
36:56The license plate is 607DNH.
36:59It's missing a hubcap on the front driver's side.
37:02There is damage on the rear quarter panel on the driver's side.
37:07And then there is a weird metal bracket on the front fender.
37:10This is not a vehicle that's going to be hard to distinguish from others.
37:13I see.
37:13But I'll tell you this.
37:14It's very difficult to hide a vehicle nowadays.
37:17There have been a lot of reports that it might be in a body of water.
37:20It's important to note that there's been large YouTube channels that have gone out, dive teams, and searched those waters and have not found any trace of her.
37:28So we have to do more, but there have been attempts to find the vehicle in the water.
37:33Nothing so far.
37:34So these are receipts from Cash App Payne.
37:37Savannah had a Cash App card.
37:39Her sister found out that six months after she went missing, her card was used.
37:45It was declined, as you can see here.
37:47And her sister thought, hey, that's weird.
37:49My sister is missing.
37:51Why is someone using her card?
37:52So she was very smart and thought like a detective here.
37:56She funded this Cash App account just to see if they'd use it again.
37:59And sure enough, years later, someone uses the card, and this time it goes through.
38:05This is a missing person's card.
38:07They're using it.
38:08The only way to get this Cash App card is from her vehicle or her body.
38:15I think more than likely, based on the size of the purchase, this might be someone who's down on their luck looking for some food.
38:21I want to find that person because I want to ask them where they found the card.
38:26Exactly.
38:26That's the most important thing to me.
38:27I mean, we're looking at theories here.
38:30Let's take a look at the text.
38:32This is Savannah to her sister.
38:34Kirsten, I can't do it anymore.
38:36I can't do it.
38:37I love you so much, and I'm sorry.
38:39I'm sorry I can't do it.
38:41I'm so sorry.
38:42But here's the problem, though.
38:4330 minutes earlier, she sounds so jolly and happy on the phone.
38:47With our story, when it came to Gabby, one of the things that the FBI was able to figure out was that Gabby wasn't the one to write those text messages based on the vernacular that she used.
38:57Did she spell this way?
38:58Did she put the punctuations like this?
39:00Yeah.
39:00This is something that we should figure out because that's going to dictate whether or not this text message was even sent by her.
39:06Right.
39:06We do have exclusive surveillance video of the last night that we know that she was seen.
39:13She looks like she's having to hold herself up a little bit.
39:16She's not sturdy.
39:18My assessment, she's definitely had a couple drinks.
39:20So you have intoxication, sleep deprivation, and now you're out driving around.
39:25What type of condition was she in later on?
39:27You know, especially at 4 o'clock in the morning, you're intoxicated, presumably.
39:31Two hours later, you're not going to be that much better if you need a table and a fence to lean on just to get down the block to your car.
39:39Let me be crystal clear here.
39:42We have alluded to the fact that Savannah was possibly drinking.
39:45That does not change the facts of the case.
39:48Savannah is missing.
39:49That's right.
39:50We are not laying any blame on her.
39:52Absolutely not.
39:53But what we are saying is that made her more at risk of being a vulnerable person.
39:59So if you saw Savannah, if you were in that bar, if something struck you as odd, listen to that intuition.
40:06Reach out.
40:06Share that information with law enforcement.
40:09This was an intense one.
40:11Please lean in and do what you can do.
40:13Help us find Savannah.
40:15The number to call, 1-866-AMW-TIPS, or go to our website, amwtips.com.
40:36We've shown you three cases tonight that are as riveting as they are gut-wrenching.
40:41And yet, there's still hope.
40:42We also need your help with this urgent case.
40:46On the morning of June 26, 2021, 27-year-old Raisha McQueen went out in her 2018 silver Nissan Sentra
40:54with her boyfriend, Stanley Williams, seen here in this picture.
40:59Cameras catch the two in Raisha's car near Stanley's neighborhood.
41:02Notice there is no external damage to the vehicle.
41:07Four hours later, Raisha's car is back on the road.
41:10Look closely.
41:11Raisha is not in the car.
41:13A hubcap is missing.
41:15And there appears to be a bullet hole in the rear passenger door.
41:19Neither Raisha nor her car has been seen since.
41:23Raisha is 5'6", approximately 130 pounds, and has tattoos on her left upper arm.
41:31Despite suspicions of foul play, no charges have ever been filed.
41:35Stanley Williams, seen here in this picture, and his brother are considered persons of interest by police.
41:41If you know anything, please speak up.
41:44You can help bring Raisha home.
41:46Take a look once again at these faces and some of their unique traits.
41:52It's up to us to keep searching for them because we have good reason to believe they are still alive.
41:58Chelsea Grimm was last seen on September 30th, 2023 in Arizona.
42:03She has light brown, blondish hair, blue eyes, and wears glasses.
42:08She also has a vine tattoo on her left arm.
42:11Terrence Woods Jr. vanished in 2018 while working on a TV production in Idaho.
42:17He is about 5'9", 26 years old when he was last seen.
42:23And Savannah Hale has been missing since 2022.
42:26She's about 5'8", and has blonde hair and blue eyes.
42:31Memorize these faces.
42:33Your tip could bring them home.
42:36We shine a spotlight on these cases because we know how powerful you are in helping us to solve them.
42:42I want to thank this incredible team tonight, Joe and Kara especially, after all that you have been through in your families.
42:48God bless you.
42:50Remember, our mission is to bring loved ones home, and it's just getting started.
42:55I'm Harris Faulkner.
42:56I thank you for being with us.
42:59Stay close.
43:00We'll make a difference together.