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00:30Hi everyone, Judge Andrew Napolitano here for Judging Freedom.
00:37Today is Monday, May 5th, 2025.
00:41Alistair Crook will be here with us in just a moment.
00:44Can Donald Trump close the deal with Iran and on Ukraine?
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02:22Alistair, welcome here, my friend.
02:24Always a pleasure.
02:25Just a word of guidance to our audience because of where Alistair is.
02:33There is a bit of a delay between my question, his answers, and our conversation.
02:42Before we start, thank you, Alistair.
02:44Before we start on whether or not Team Trump can make a deal to bring about peace,
02:53to bring about a resolution of the nuclear issue with Iran to resolve the special military operation in Ukraine.
03:03First, the breaking news this morning.
03:05I'm going to guess you're not surprised that Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu announced today
03:11that after a cabinet vote the IDF will soon begin its total and full occupation of the Gaza Strip.
03:20I'm not surprised.
03:26I was expecting it.
03:28This is to come.
03:30In many ways, I think that the attack on Yemen that happened just the other day,
03:38the big attack, continuing daily attacks in Yemen,
03:43I think, was setting the scene for the next stage.
03:47Because not only will there be a major attack in Gaza,
03:52but there's also the beginnings of a real conflict in Syria that is taking place.
03:59There are the Turkish Air Force is contesting,
04:04and Israel is sending more troops,
04:08and it's called up more troops for reserves just now.
04:14So I'm not surprised.
04:17I think everywhere we are seeing turmoil,
04:22I think this turmoil is going to get much worse.
04:27I think we could be on the edge of something much bigger in respect to Yemen
04:33and the missile that was fired into Ben-Gurion Airport.
04:40So, yes, I think we will see the next stages.
04:46And I think we're doing it into a sort of void,
04:49because I don't think there's a strategy in the White House
04:54about what to do about either Ukraine conflict
04:59and also what to do about Iran.
05:03Iran, of course, is the most obvious one at the moment.
05:09It has been threatened because of what happened
05:13with the missile striking Ben-Gurion.
05:16So we are at the edge, I think, of something bigger.
05:20The United States military attacked and destroyed a detention center in Yemen
05:30and killed 63 people that were confined in the detention center.
05:35No apology, no argument that this was of some military value.
05:41Is there any purpose whatsoever to America waging war on a defenseless Yemen
05:50other than to please Benjamin Netanyahu?
05:54None.
05:55And furthermore, it's not working.
05:58I mean, it is quite clear that the Houthis, answer Allah,
06:03are as strong and as determined as ever.
06:06They have more missiles, they have them ready,
06:10and I'm sure we can see a repeat of what happened just recently at Ben-Gurion.
06:18No, it is not.
06:19It was originally, I think, intended to be, if you like,
06:24a warning shot ahead of the attack on Gaza,
06:28a warning shot fired at Yemen ahead of the attack that is now unfolding on Gaza.
06:37But, of course, Pete Hegseth, the Defense Secretary,
06:42said very clearly,
06:43we hold Iran responsible for this.
06:46Iran is the one who's responsible,
06:48and it will have to bear the consequences of what is happening.
06:51So, we are in, here in Iran,
06:58I mean, essentially,
07:00I think what we're seeing is that Trump has really trapped himself in a box on Iran.
07:07Because, as you know, I've been following the JCPOA for many years,
07:13more than a decade,
07:14and what we're seeing is a repetition of all the old formulas
07:20that we've already seen have been tried and discarded.
07:25I bringing in uranium from overseas
07:30of some form of also the attempt to try and do further inspections,
07:39technical limitations.
07:40Also, the whole process of the JCPOA trying to look at new ways of doing it.
07:52We've been through all of those.
07:54We've done those.
07:55And it didn't work,
07:57and it's regarded in much of Washington as being not a success,
08:05but a failure.
08:06The old JCPOA formula.
08:09The warmed-up Obama one.
08:12So, it's understood, you know,
08:14that this is a sort of box.
08:17And it's very hard to see the way out of this.
08:19I mean, I think the only way out, possibly,
08:22but I don't think it's going to work,
08:24and I don't think it's going to be done,
08:26is that Trump would actually should go back,
08:29and his team should say,
08:30look, we're approaching this in the wrong way,
08:33just simply trying to go rehash old history.
08:36What we should be doing is saying this should be an arms limitation affair,
08:41an arms limitation system, a negotiation,
08:46such as happened with JFK in the wake of the Cuban missile crisis with Khrushchev.
08:53And he spoke, then JFK had his contacts directly with Russia.
09:00And out of that,
09:01after the missile crisis was resolved
09:03by the Americans taking the first initiative,
09:07then it was possible to talk to the Russians
09:09about strategic limitation of weapons.
09:12Well, here we have the same.
09:14This is basically should be a weapons limitation exercise,
09:19where the United States is asking Iran to do something it hasn't got.
09:24It hasn't got a weapon, according to American intelligence,
09:28and it's trying to limit the possibility of that.
09:31Well, you know, in an arms agreement,
09:34in an arms limitation agreement,
09:36then there has to be some sort of reciprocity,
09:39because you have none.
09:40It's totally lopsided here,
09:42because Israel has a triad of weapons
09:46and a triad of delivery systems,
09:49submarines, aircraft, and land-based missiles.
09:52And you're asking one side,
09:54if you like,
09:56to enter into an arms limitation agreement
09:58and not imposing anything on the other side.
10:01It's obviously not going to hold.
10:03It may temporarily hold,
10:05but it won't last in the longer term.
10:07And the only answer would be for someone to say,
10:10out loud and say,
10:11well, what about having Israeli weapons
10:15monitored by the AEA and controlled
10:18as a first step
10:20to trying to move it back into a structure
10:23which is more balanced,
10:25a structure which would enable it
10:28to be treated as an arms limitation exercise
10:32and not as a one-sided imposition on Iran
10:36for something that they don't,
10:38that the Americans say they haven't even got.
10:40How do you stop something
10:41that someone hasn't even got
10:43or necessarily want?
10:45Isn't that the elephant in the room,
10:48the acknowledgement,
10:50the public recognition,
10:52whether it's by Donald Trump
10:53or Steve Witkoff
10:55or Marco Rubio
10:56or Pete Hegseth,
10:58it's not going to come
10:58from Benjamin Netanyahu,
11:00that Israel does have nuclear weapons.
11:03What moral basis is there
11:05for Israel to have nuclear weapons
11:06and its neighbor
11:07who it threatens every day
11:09not to have them?
11:10Well, precisely,
11:12and because Israel has threatened
11:14the use of nuclear weapons before.
11:17During the Iraq war,
11:18they threatened when Saddam Hussein's
11:21scuds were being used,
11:24Israel threatened the use of nuclear weapons.
11:27And it's not only,
11:28it is a moral question,
11:29but it's not,
11:30it's more than that.
11:31It is also a question,
11:34this is the only logical way
11:36of proceeding
11:37because we've done
11:38all this process
11:40of these other alternatives
11:42and they haven't really
11:44brought much success.
11:46And if we go back
11:47to another JCPOA,
11:49an Obama-type JCPOA,
11:52which, by the way,
11:53Iran will not accept
11:55because they want improvements
11:57on the Obama JCPOA anyway.
12:01So if we went back to that,
12:02you know,
12:03it wouldn't,
12:03I don't think it would work
12:05in Washington
12:05and it certainly
12:06wouldn't work in Israel.
12:08The question is,
12:10has the team,
12:11has Trump and his team
12:13got the guts to get up
12:15and say,
12:16well, look,
12:17you know,
12:17the way to deal with this
12:19and to move this on,
12:20let's raise the issue.
12:22What about IEA inspections in Iran
12:25and IEA inspections on Israel as well
12:30and start to match it up
12:32in a different way?
12:33Always when I've done negotiations
12:36in the past,
12:37different issues,
12:39of course,
12:40but when the two sides are blocked,
12:42when there's no means
12:43of moving on politically
12:45at that level,
12:47the best thing is
12:47to move the negotiations
12:49to a different level
12:50and to look at them
12:51from a different perspective,
12:53to change the perspective,
12:55away from changing,
12:57from seeing it
12:57as simply an imposition
12:59that has to be placed on Iran
13:01to seeing this
13:02as something,
13:03a strategic negotiation
13:05between two states
13:07in order to end up
13:08with a treaty,
13:11an arms limitation treaty.
13:13I know it won't,
13:14it probably won't work,
13:16but it's also a way
13:18of keeping things going
13:20because I don't really think,
13:22you've seen the Iranians' complaints
13:24about the talks as they are,
13:26that the American side
13:27keeps changing their view,
13:30humming and hoeing
13:31what they want to do,
13:33whether they want to do
13:34this approach
13:34or that approach.
13:36I mean,
13:36it's just not going anywhere,
13:38the negotiations,
13:40except back
13:41to what we've already seen
13:42in the past.
13:43There's nothing new
13:44on the table.
13:45I can assure you...
13:46Let me ask you one last question
13:49about Iran
13:51before we go over to Ukraine.
13:54You mentioned that
13:55at the outset
13:56of this conversation,
13:58Trump is boxed in.
14:00So Trump is impulsive,
14:02Rubio is a neocon,
14:05Whitkoff is a building developer
14:08in New York City.
14:09Collectively,
14:10do they even understand
14:11the Iranian mind?
14:14Oh, absolutely not.
14:17You know,
14:18I mean,
14:18when you come here,
14:20I mean,
14:20and I've experienced it,
14:22you know,
14:22in these days and things,
14:24I mean,
14:24it's just like,
14:26if you're like another dimension,
14:28suddenly the veil slips down
14:30and you realize
14:32you're in a different dimension.
14:34People think differently.
14:36They think it's,
14:37you know,
14:37it's a whole culture
14:38that is different from Iran.
14:41And so,
14:42no,
14:43they don't understand it.
14:44They don't want to understand it.
14:46And so,
14:47they are not looking really
14:49for ways of resolving it.
14:52It's just really about ways
14:54of putting,
14:55it's the old,
14:56old Western way
14:58of putting carrots
15:00and sticks,
15:02putting sticks,
15:03sufficiently enough pressure
15:05to make Iran conform.
15:08But Iran is not
15:09a utilitarian state
15:11like the West
15:12that,
15:12you know,
15:13well,
15:13of course they will do this
15:14because it's in their economic interest
15:16to do this.
15:17It's not like that
15:18in these states
15:19because they do even have a culture,
15:22you know,
15:22of sacrifice
15:23and of principles
15:24and of moral values.
15:26And therefore,
15:27you know,
15:28this gets weighed up.
15:29And what is Iran going to do
15:32if a new GCPOA
15:34is imposed on them?
15:35They're in their box too.
15:37I mean,
15:38why would Iran go on in this
15:40for another 10 years
15:42with sanctions?
15:43Look,
15:44we can't even have it
15:45with difficulty.
15:46We can communicate with you.
15:48And,
15:49you know,
15:49we don't see what's happening
15:51on the other side.
15:51I've seen a lot of the,
15:54you know,
15:55the media
15:56that is apparent here.
15:59All sorts of media.
16:01And it's vibrant
16:02and it's creative
16:03and it's very energized.
16:07And we don't understand.
16:08You know,
16:09it's not just a sort of
16:10passive negotiation
16:11that you do in business
16:13and you say,
16:14well,
16:14of course they'll have to accept it
16:16because,
16:16you know,
16:17otherwise they'll go on.
16:19And the other thing is,
16:20of course,
16:20they've had Syria to see.
16:22Look what happened
16:23with the sanctions on Syria.
16:25It destroyed Syria.
16:27It completely destroyed
16:29the way of living.
16:30People were going hungry,
16:32were starving in Syria.
16:34Of course,
16:35that's not the case
16:35here in Iran.
16:37It's not like that.
16:38But nonetheless,
16:40what would be the way out of this?
16:42Where would this lead to?
16:43Does it have,
16:45you know,
16:45if you're going to persuade
16:46Iranian negotiators
16:49to accept all of these restrictions,
16:51what are the vision
16:53does America or Trump
16:55have for,
16:56you know,
16:56the next?
16:57Where is the way out?
16:59It's not.
17:00It's just more sanctions
17:01to shut the sunset clauses,
17:04to make it permanent.
17:06And that might suit
17:07the interests of Israel.
17:09But I don't see why
17:11it suits the interests
17:12of the United States of America.
17:13What did Trump accomplish,
17:19if anything,
17:21by claiming
17:21that the Russians
17:22lost a million troops
17:25fighting in Ukraine
17:27and by unleashing
17:29General Kellogg
17:31with a NATO-generated proposal
17:35that's dead in the water?
17:36Why would these things
17:39have happened
17:39while his negotiators
17:42are trying to bring about
17:44an amicable resolution
17:45of the special military operation?
17:49It happened
17:50because his team
17:52has not done the homework,
17:55has not done the preparation.
17:57There were some basic assumptions
17:59under the Kellogg proposals.
18:02One assumption
18:02was that Russia
18:04is very vulnerable
18:05to sanctions
18:06and would be very affected
18:08by imposition of sanctions.
18:10The second one
18:12is that Putin
18:17has lost a million men,
18:20as Trump said
18:20in early January.
18:22And the third assumption
18:24was that it is,
18:25if you like,
18:26a frozen conflict.
18:28It's a stagnated conflict.
18:29All of those assumptions
18:31are absolutely wrong.
18:33And we know that.
18:33We've been talking about it.
18:35Many of your,
18:36the people coming
18:38on your program
18:39have said
18:39how clearly these things,
18:41each one of them,
18:43was wrong.
18:43But it led Trump
18:45in January
18:46to say,
18:47you know,
18:47Putin is ruining
18:48his economy.
18:50I mean,
18:50his economy is in collapse
18:52and, you know,
18:53I'm doing him
18:54a really big favor
18:55by going down this route.
18:57He didn't.
18:58What he did
18:59was trap him
19:00because the policy
19:02of Kellogg,
19:04the model of Kellogg,
19:06was based on Korea.
19:08And it was based on Korea,
19:10which did have,
19:12first thing,
19:13ceasefire.
19:14And then the idea was
19:16when you've done
19:16a ceasefire,
19:18oh,
19:18we can have politics.
19:20Negotiations can come next
19:21after that.
19:22And actually,
19:23the negotiations
19:24are still coming.
19:25And they're still unresolved.
19:27How many years later
19:28after the ceasefire
19:30was agreed?
19:31Nothing has changed
19:32on that.
19:33So Putin said very clearly,
19:35no,
19:36we have to have
19:37the negotiations,
19:38we have to have
19:39a political framework,
19:40and possibly
19:41if that works
19:42and we can see
19:43our way forward,
19:45then,
19:45yes,
19:47then we can perhaps
19:48think about a ceasefire.
19:49but we have to tackle
19:51the underlying clauses
19:53of this.
19:54And what Kellogg did
19:55was cut that ground
19:57from under Trump's feet
19:59so that he goes into this
20:02and he demands
20:03a ceasefire.
20:05And Putin has been saying
20:07since June of last year
20:09exactly the conditions
20:11he would only agree to
20:12for a ceasefire.
20:13Did they not listen?
20:15Did they not hear?
20:16Did they not do
20:17the calculations
20:18on Russian losses?
20:20Did they not look
20:21afresh at the economy?
20:23It seems not.
20:24It seems as if
20:24they just stuck
20:26in the sort of,
20:27if you like,
20:29the post,
20:30the new
20:30end of Cold War world
20:33of
20:34that existed,
20:37end of history.
20:38It was the liberal world order
20:40is going on forever
20:41and will be the model
20:42for the future.
20:43And so they based it
20:45on the idea
20:45that America
20:46just has to put
20:47enough pressure
20:48on Putin
20:49and he will agree.
20:50It's the same model
20:51in Iran.
20:52And have people
20:54thought it through
20:55and worked out
20:56a strategy?
20:58What was the strategy
20:59for getting Putin
21:01to agree
21:02to the ceasefire?
21:03They went to the
21:04ceasefire talks
21:05first in Riyadh.
21:07They had no idea
21:08about how to actually
21:10implement.
21:10Oh, yes.
21:11Talk about it later.
21:12Just agree a ceasefire.
21:14Let's talk about it,
21:15the details.
21:16And as I've said
21:17to you before,
21:17I've done several ceasefires.
21:20They're complicated,
21:21detailed things
21:22to work out.
21:23You don't just say,
21:24let's do a ceasefire,
21:2530-day ceasefire.
21:26Let's start tomorrow
21:28and as soon as possible.
21:29Oh, we can work out
21:30the details later.
21:32Ceasefires mostly
21:33don't work.
21:35They collapse
21:35quite quickly.
21:37Why do you support
21:38other than
21:41as a
21:42bargaining chip,
21:45why do you suppose
21:46the United States
21:47continues to supply
21:49intel
21:50and military aid
21:52to Kiev
21:53at almost the same level
21:54at which
21:55the Biden administration
21:56was supplying it?
21:57In fact,
21:58in some cases,
21:58it's at a greater level.
22:00that he's weak
22:05and he can be pressed
22:06and enough pressure
22:07put on Putin
22:09that he will change
22:10his position
22:11and will agree
22:12to the ceasefire.
22:14In fact,
22:15it's at a reverse effect
22:16because what has happened
22:19is the complete,
22:21if you like,
22:23of strategy
22:24underlying this proposal
22:26of the ceasefire,
22:27the complete lack of it
22:29has affected
22:30general Russian opinion.
22:33I mean,
22:33the elite opinion,
22:34the policymaker's opinion.
22:36They say,
22:36look,
22:37you know,
22:37it can change
22:38from one minute
22:39to another,
22:39Trump's strategy.
22:41He doesn't have
22:42a plan.
22:43He is ignoring
22:44what we have said
22:45all along
22:46is that we have
22:48to have
22:48a clear framework
22:50of the problems.
22:52What are the problems?
22:53They are architectural problems,
22:55structural problems.
22:57That's not even
22:58being mentioned
22:59by the team.
23:00I mean,
23:00what sort of staff work
23:01is being done
23:02on this?
23:04I don't see any.
23:05I just see
23:06a sort of rushing into it.
23:08Now,
23:08I do see a difference
23:10and I just want
23:11to make that clear.
23:12I think that
23:13on the internal side
23:15in terms of
23:17the change
23:18of the new,
23:20if you like,
23:20rebalancing
23:21of the American economy,
23:22Trump has had a vision.
23:25He has a team
23:26that has put work
23:27in it
23:28for several years.
23:29I don't know
23:30whether it will work.
23:31It may or may not.
23:33But I do think
23:34there was a vision there.
23:35Whereas,
23:36he went into
23:37his foreign policy side,
23:40these two crucial
23:41foreign policy errors,
23:43with no strategy
23:45and no teamwork.
23:47I mean,
23:47there should have been
23:48a very careful preparation
23:50and working out
23:51of a strategy
23:52for how
23:53to deal
23:54with Russia.
23:56Unless this is
23:58sort of a
23:59good cop,
24:00bad cop,
24:01Wyckoff,
24:03the good cop,
24:04Kellogg,
24:04the bad cop,
24:06I just don't understand
24:07why General Kellogg
24:08is still out there
24:09because he is not
24:10taken seriously
24:12at all
24:13by the Kremlin.
24:15And,
24:16the most important thing
24:18is that the Kremlin
24:20does not see
24:21that Trump deals with us.
24:24They don't see,
24:25they see,
24:25okay,
24:26you want a ceasefire
24:27and you talk about it,
24:29but why don't you stop
24:30the intelligence sharing?
24:32Why don't you stop
24:33the weapons?
24:34What you don't even say,
24:36clearly,
24:37that if there were
24:38a ceasefire,
24:39American would stop
24:41the weapons supply,
24:42would stop
24:43the intelligence sharing.
24:44Even that is left
24:45obscured
24:46in the Kellogg plans.
24:48So,
24:48I mean,
24:49really,
24:50the situation is,
24:51I think,
24:52both in,
24:53in,
24:54in,
24:54in,
24:54in,
24:55in,
24:55in Moscow
24:57and here in Tehran,
24:59people are waiting
25:00to see,
25:01you know,
25:02is Trump able
25:04to get a grip
25:05of his own constituency,
25:07whatever that is,
25:08it's mixed populists
25:10and also hawks
25:12in his constituency,
25:13in his team,
25:15until we see him
25:17actually showing
25:18that he has got control
25:20of his own team
25:22and is prepared
25:23to influence it.
25:25Is he,
25:26we still don't see
25:27the same thing
25:28in Gaza.
25:29He hasn't said no.
25:31He hasn't said no.
25:32So the Houthis
25:33will go on.
25:35And the same
25:36in Iran.
25:37Iran will see
25:38the same old proposals
25:40from,
25:41you know,
25:41from 2013
25:43being put on the table
25:45again
25:45and they will say,
25:47you know,
25:47is this serious?
25:48What does he have in mind?
25:50Because
25:50we know
25:51it's not going
25:52to lead anywhere.
25:53It's just
25:54the old box.
25:55We're going around
25:56and around
25:56like rats in a box
25:58on the same issues.
25:59It's not going
26:00to get anywhere.
26:01So where does it end up?
26:02Does it end up
26:03with a military conflict?
26:05Well,
26:05probably it might.
26:08Last question.
26:09You're in Tehran.
26:11Have you
26:11had a chance
26:13to
26:14put your finger
26:15on the
26:16pulse
26:17of the
26:18perception
26:18of the
26:20Trump administration
26:21in the Iranian
26:23capital?
26:25I mean,
26:26I won't claim
26:27that it
26:27has been
26:28I'm really
26:30just beginning
26:31the talks
26:31rather than
26:32sort of
26:33ending them.
26:34But I think
26:34what I just told you
26:36is a fair reflection
26:38of what is happening.
26:39Right.
26:40They know
26:41that
26:42these are just
26:43going around
26:44the old
26:45issues
26:46that have been
26:47discussed
26:48removing
26:49enriched
26:50uranium
26:51to Russia
26:52and things.
26:53I mean,
26:53we've done that.
26:54We did all that.
26:55We've done inspections.
26:57We've had limitations
26:58on centrifuges.
27:00All these things
27:00have been done.
27:01And here we are
27:02all this time later
27:03the same process.
27:05And,
27:06you know,
27:06I think they're
27:07waiting to see
27:08is Trump
27:09capable
27:10of saying
27:10no
27:11to Israel?
27:13Because
27:13as you know
27:14and I've said
27:15before,
27:16ultimately
27:16it's not
27:17about
27:173.67
27:18enrichment,
27:1920% enrichment.
27:21It is
27:22basically
27:22the divisions
27:24in the United
27:25States
27:26in the Pentagon
27:27between
27:27those who
27:28are restrainers
27:29and don't want
27:30to see a war
27:30on Iran
27:31and those
27:33that are
27:34Israeli
27:34firsters
27:35and are
27:36advocating
27:36as Netanyahu
27:38is
27:39for a strike
27:40on Iran.
27:42Alistair,
27:43thank you very much,
27:44my dear friend.
27:45Much appreciated.
27:47Safe travels.
27:49We'll look forward
27:49to seeing you next week.
27:50All the best.
27:51Thank you very much,
27:53Judge.
27:53All the best to you.
27:56With
27:56many thanks
27:57to my producer,
27:58Chris,
27:59and to Alistair
28:00for all we had to do
28:02to make that work.
28:03It took many hours
28:04to get the
28:05Internet
28:05to the point
28:06where we could have
28:07a meaningful conversation.
28:09Coming up at
28:0910 this morning,
28:10Ray McGovern.
28:11At 1 this afternoon,
28:13Medea Benjamin,
28:15the head of Code Pink.
28:17Why do the Republicans
28:18want her
28:18investigated?
28:20At 2 o'clock,
28:21Larry Johnson,
28:22and at 4 o'clock,
28:23always worth waiting for,
28:24Scott Ritter.
28:25Judge Napolitano
28:26for Judging Freedom.
28:40James Mitchell.
28:41Bye-bye.
28:42Bye.
28:42Bye-bye.
28:55Bye-bye.
28:57Bye.