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00:00This is today's theme.
00:02The truth about Koji Higashino's 40 years of acting career.
00:0540 years?
00:0640 years?
00:08That's a long time.
00:09I don't like it.
00:10I really don't like it.
00:11You don't like it?
00:12I really don't like it.
00:13It's like, in my late 20s, early 30s,
00:16I think the talent and the entertainer
00:19look like they're having fun.
00:20Ah, so that's how it is.
00:22I think I'm jealous.
00:24It's the truth from your debut to your 10th year,
00:26but if you were to add a subtitle,
00:28what would it be?
00:29Hmm...
00:31What would it be?
00:33First of all...
00:34I stumbled.
00:35Oh, really?
00:36It's not like you had hope?
00:38No, not at all.
00:39I stumbled.
00:40What does that mean?
00:41Like, you can't beat Downtown?
00:42No, it's not like I can beat them.
00:44It's like, this is how fun it is.
00:46This is how these people are going to sell.
00:50Koji Higashino.
00:5140 years of acting career.
00:52First, he met Downtown.
00:54He said he stumbled.
00:5510 years after his debut.
00:57What was it like at the time?
00:59At first,
01:01it was like a gathering of people
01:03who wanted to do something new,
01:05something that wasn't manzai.
01:07And then there was an audition.
01:08Were there amateurs?
01:10Yes, there were.
01:11And then,
01:12Imada-san, me, Itao-san,
01:14people like that came together.
01:16I didn't know them,
01:17but they told me to make a story and come.
01:20That's how I got in.
01:22So that was the start of being an entertainer?
01:24Yes, that was the start.
01:25And then later,
01:27it became a two-day theater.
01:29At 4 p.m.,
01:30it was broadcast every day on Monday.
01:32Downtown did the Obi program in the evening.
01:35At 4 p.m.,
01:36it was already a legendary program.
01:38Yes, yes, yes.
01:39So in the evening,
01:40high school students hurried home.
01:43It was broadcast live from 4 p.m., right?
01:44Yes, yes, yes.
01:45They wanted to see it,
01:46so they went home right away.
01:47High school students who wanted to go home
01:49were told that there were fewer bad guys.
01:51It was a time when everyone went home.
01:52What about Imada-san?
01:54Itaho-san, Hongo-san, and NSC.
01:56So you were a free amateur.
01:59Yes, yes, yes.
02:01That's how I got in.
02:03That's how I got in.
02:04That's how I got in.
02:07Literature becomes a person.
02:08Literature becomes a person.
02:09Literature becomes a person.
02:10Literature becomes a person.
02:12I just happened to get a call at 4 p.m.
02:16So I didn't think it was my power,
02:19or that Downtown would go to Tokyo
02:21and become a star.
02:25Well, I thought it was after that.
02:29I see.
02:30It's amazing, isn't it?
02:31In Osaka.
02:32It's the best place.
02:33How did you feel at that time?
02:35When you were young,
02:36when you went out,
02:37high school girls were like,
02:38Kyah!
02:39So I thought,
02:40Downtown is amazing.
02:42Did you feel that way about Hikashino-san?
02:44No, that's because
02:45girls also have the power to live,
02:47and human instincts.
02:48Downtown has a high competition rate.
02:50That's true.
02:51Isn't that right?
02:52They're like,
02:53Kyah!
02:55I don't know how to put it,
02:57but girls with big noses
02:59No, no.
03:00and sweet girls.
03:02Well, well, well.
03:03They're all there.
03:04Those people come to me.
03:07Didn't you get carried away?
03:09No, I didn't.
03:10Didn't you have a plan, Hikashino-san?
03:12I had a plan,
03:13and I had a part-time job,
03:15but I also wanted to do a live show.
03:17Now that I think about it,
03:19when I appear on a TV show,
03:21I do all the skills I have to do
03:24in a live show.
03:26Isn't that right, Yoshimoto?
03:28Yes, that's right.
03:29Like free talk.
03:30Like a game corner.
03:31Like a game corner.
03:32An amateur,
03:33an ordinary person comes,
03:34and sings,
03:35and does a manzai.
03:36That's amazing.
03:37I do all of that
03:38in a small theater.
03:41And the TV became big.
03:44Masai and I were probably
03:47the first ones to do that.
03:50That's probably it.
03:51Now that I think about it.
03:52That's because Yoshimoto
03:54wants to raise people
03:56who can be active on TV.
03:58To be more specific,
03:59Yoshimoto Kogyo at the time
04:01was a small production company.
04:03Oh, really?
04:04Osaki Production was...
04:06Oh, as an example.
04:07As an example.
04:08Osaki Production was
04:10Noh Kanban Talent Downtown.
04:12That's why
04:13we didn't do manzai or
04:15do business in theaters.
04:18So that's how it was split up.
04:21So this was
04:22anti-Yoshimoto,
04:23anti-Kagetsu.
04:24It was a catchphrase.
04:25We couldn't do manzai,
04:26so we did comedy.
04:28And we wanted to be
04:30a fun TV talent on TV.
04:32It was a fairy production.
04:34And that's where we got in.
04:36I see.
04:37So that's where you got in.
04:38After this...
04:40Yoshimoto said,
04:41I'm quitting.
04:42I said, don't say that.
04:43He said, I'm quitting.
04:44I said, don't say that.
04:45He's a crazy guy.
04:46He's a crazy guy.
04:50Next,
04:51after the end of
04:53Yojidesu Yoda,
04:54Higashino did his best.
04:56When was this?
04:57This was a big split up.
04:59Downtown went to Tokyo.
05:01Osaka stayed
05:02and did Shinkigeki for 2 years.
05:04Everyone under Downtown
05:06went there.
05:07They told you to go there?
05:08Osaki was in charge of
05:10reforming Shinkigeki.
05:12You really went to Osaka
05:14together?
05:15Yes.
05:16I said,
05:17I didn't join Shinkigeki
05:19because I wanted to.
05:20I said, I'm quitting.
05:22That's amazing.
05:23You said, I'm quitting.
05:24You said, I'm quitting.
05:25Yoshimoto said,
05:26I'm quitting.
05:27I said, don't say that.
05:28I said, don't say that.
05:29I said, don't say that.
05:30He's a crazy guy.
05:32I said, don't say that.
05:34After 2 years,
05:37Shinkigeki became popular.
05:39Downtown and TBS
05:41became popular.
05:43I quit Shinkigeki
05:45and went to Osaka.
05:46Did Downtown invite you?
05:49Yes.
05:50Downtown invited me
05:52because they wanted me
05:54to join their club.
05:57After that,
05:58I joined Iitomo.
06:00That's how it started.
06:02It was a big split up.
06:05He got married when he was young.
06:07He had to support his wife and children.
06:10He was under a lot of pressure.
06:13When Gottsu ended,
06:15he felt like he was graduating from Downtown.
06:19He had to work as a talent
06:21where Downtown wasn't.
06:24He felt like he was making his debut.
06:28How old were you when you got married?
06:30I was 24.
06:31I joined Shinkigeki.
06:33When you were in Shinkigeki,
06:35did you feel stable
06:37when you were in Shinkigeki?
06:40Yes.
06:41I was around 280,000 yen.
06:43I think it was good that I got married.
06:45If I didn't get married,
06:47I wouldn't have been able to go to Tokyo.
06:48I had to take responsibility.
06:50I had to work hard.
06:53Downtown's Gottsu Eikanji
06:55was a popular show.
06:57It was a legendary show
06:59we watched when we were in elementary school.
07:01It had a plot and a plan.
07:03It's not like that now.
07:05I don't know how to explain it,
07:07but it was the latest show.
07:10It was like a mix of Unnan-san and Sumibake.
07:13Matsumoto-san's ideas were realized
07:17and put into a plot.
07:19What was the schedule of Gottsu?
07:21It was a Monday plan and a Tuesday plan.
07:24When did you come up with the plot?
07:27I came up with the plot based on the previous week.
07:31Matsumoto-san told me.
07:33That's amazing.
07:35Everyone had their own ideas,
07:37but they were all interesting.
07:39Everyone had their own ideas.
07:41I didn't say it,
07:43but I cleared it.
07:47How was it?
07:49You spent a lot of money
07:51to make a luxurious set.
07:53It was a time when you wanted a luxurious set.
07:55I thought it would be fun to make a set like this.
07:57Everyone laughed.
07:59Everyone was laughing
08:01based on their own ideas.
08:03When it was done,
08:05the director of the show
08:07came up with the set.
08:09Matsumoto-san told me
08:11that the set was different
08:13from what he had in mind.
08:15I thought it was different.
08:17I thought I couldn't do it,
08:19so I went home.
08:21That's amazing.
08:23I was like,
08:25what?
08:27Can I take this home?
08:29That's what I thought.
08:31I think it's impossible
08:33to spend money and effort
08:35now.
08:37I was serious about
08:39making something interesting.
08:41Of course, I was under a lot of pressure.
08:43How was it?
08:45Did you learn anything
08:47from Godz?
08:49I worked with
08:51the director of the show.
08:53I learned the severity of it.
08:55I learned that there was
08:57Tamori-san of Wara-tei Itomo.
08:59There was another talent
09:01who was a comedian.
09:03I learned about it
09:05through the live broadcast.
09:07I learned that there was
09:09a guest who came
09:11to see the school festival.
09:13I learned about it.
09:15I learned about the
09:17teaching of Shinsuke-san
09:19at the school festival.
09:21I learned that there was
09:23a young man,
09:25an old man,
09:27and an old woman
09:29in front of the guests.
09:31I learned about it.
09:33That's a lot.
09:35I learned that
09:37I was talking in front of
09:39Downtown-san.
09:41When I was talking in front of
09:43the guests,
09:45I was attracted.
09:47I thought you were
09:49attacking Godz.
09:51No, I wasn't.
09:53I just didn't realize
09:55that I was talking in front of
09:57the guests.
09:59That's how I learned
10:01about Japanese TV.
10:03Godz should be funny.
10:05Shinsuke-san was talking
10:07in front of the guests
10:09but not in front of the guests.
10:11I was the only one laughing.
10:13That's amazing.
10:15I was talking in front of the guests
10:17but not in front of the guests.
10:19Also,
10:21I was like,
10:23what's going on?
10:25I was like,
10:27what's going on?
10:29I was so happy.
10:31But,
10:33I was recognized
10:35as a TV talent.
10:37In the past 10 years,
10:39I've stumbled
10:41and stood up.
10:43It took me 10 years
10:45to stand up again.
10:47It took me 10 years
10:49to stand up again.
10:51Next,
10:5310 years of MC work
10:55for Higashino.
10:5710 years of MC work
10:59for Higashino.
11:01I happened to be a regular
11:03on the show.
11:05After that,
11:07I was on the show
11:09continuously.
11:11I was on the show
11:13continuously.
11:15Arabe Kidan
11:17was the show
11:19with the red carpet.
11:21There were many shows
11:23like that.
11:25I was asked
11:27to do a show
11:29with the production team
11:31of Yoshimoto without TBS.
11:33I was asked to do a show
11:35with the production team
11:37of Yoshimoto without TBS.
11:39I said,
11:41I have no one.
11:43I asked,
11:45I have no one.
11:47I was asked
11:49to do a show
11:51without TBS.
11:53I said,
11:55I have no one.
11:57I was asked
11:59to do a show
12:01without TBS.
12:03I said,
12:05I'll do 100 shows.
12:07I see.
12:09I'll do all the shows
12:11with the audience.
12:13I'll do it with Fujii.
12:15Please take a video.
12:17You usually do a show
12:19with jokes.
12:21But you don't do a show
12:23with jokes.
12:25I don't.
12:27I did a show
12:29with 5 or 10 guests.
12:31I did a show
12:33with 5 or 10 guests.
12:35I will take care of
12:37the shows with VTR.
12:39I will take care of
12:41the shows with VTR.
12:43Wetatin is a special show.
12:47The producer and we
12:49take videos with VTR.
12:52This kind of new idea.
12:56I got noticed in the world.
12:58I learned it is fun
13:00I learned it is fun
13:02and a 4th Wave wasn't
13:04Up until now, when I was playing GODS, I thought it was interesting, but I realized it wasn't.
13:10When Matsumoto-san said that, I thought it was the right answer.
13:13Since then, I've been trying to do this kind of thing.
13:17I've always liked this kind of thing, but I don't think there's a place like that.
13:24For example, I don't say that on my own radio show.
13:27I felt it was worth doing.
13:28The idea that I came up with.
13:31Yeah, it was worth doing.
13:33I thought it was worth doing.
13:36I'm sorry to say this, but I think it's worth doing.
13:39I think it's worth doing.
13:41I think it's worth doing.
13:43I think it's worth doing.
13:45It's like a fraud.
13:48These 10 years have been amazing.
13:51It's been a great success.
13:53I don't have much experience like this.
13:55So many people have retired, caused problems, and treated Yoshimoto.
14:06As I was working at a place like a skate park, I got fired.
14:13So I'm sorry.
14:15But it's not like you've been warming up your arms.
14:19No, no, that's not true.
14:22But in Tokyo, I'm really grateful for the line-up.
14:25The problem is that I'm treated like a legend.
14:28Well, that's already the case.
14:30I'm like that today, but I don't like this.
14:36What am I doing today?
14:40Can I take this home?
14:42In the end, he lost three regulars in his 40th year in the industry.
14:48This is what a talent is like.
14:50I think it's a repetition of increasing and decreasing.
14:53But I also think it's a one-time thing in terms of age.
14:57Manzai artists, singers, and actors are all great.
15:02There's a stage like that.
15:04This kind of job is the worst for a talent.
15:08All the people who are aiming to be a talent are idiots.
15:11That's not true.
15:13The people who want to be a talent are the most idiots.
15:16I'm sure you're worried about people who aren't funny.
15:20It's the only life I've ever had between my parents.
15:24I'm doing this.
15:27I don't know if I'm going to retire.
15:29When you're about 60 years old, it's going to go down more and more.
15:33In my imagination, it was three years early.
15:36Oh, really?
15:38This is the first thing I'm going to talk about.
15:40It's been three years since I fell in love.
15:42It's just a word on the Internet.
15:45I'm not embarrassed to say this.
15:50I can do this.
15:52It's been a long time since I've seen it.
15:56You're going to a variety show now.
15:58You're going to be treated as a legend.
16:02That's right.
16:04I don't like this.
16:07I don't like to talk about looking back on being a legend.
16:11It's hard to be a legend.
16:15That's why I'm worried about the people around me.
16:19But I think I'm more likely to be called for serious work.
16:25The number of times I've been called is increasing.
16:29It's a pinch if you don't have a cheeky young man.
16:32That's right.
16:33If you become a person who only worships you.
16:35It's easy to mess with me.
16:37That's right.
16:39I'm not angry.
16:40I'm not angry at anything I say.
16:42That's right.
16:43Which one of us is more likely to get involved?
16:46Why are you giving me a specific name?
16:49Mr. Higashino is in particular.
16:52I'm relieved to hear that you like this kind of comedian.
16:57I see.
16:58I don't know why you're laughing like this.
17:00I'm laughing.
17:01I'm laughing because it's too serious.