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00:00And I just let the audience know right now. We're about to fight. I don't there's no way around this listen
00:06I I'm a hold this as long as I possibly can if I was great if I was the type of person to throw remote
00:12I would have right on that play that Grandy you just played
00:17Because Tim could have said it like this curry drives left fouled by Morant still drives left fouled by Morant again now
00:24He dribbles over to the corner fouled by Morant
00:26Picks up the ball fouled by Morant now. We're heading the other way for a dunk
00:32Now you weren't here. This is the day that you were the second day that you were in Vegas
00:37Hmm a couple weeks ago, man feels like a long time ago. I was there for two days
00:44It might have been three. I didn't call in did I oh don't worry. Okay, cool
00:48Yeah, I meant to call in and then you didn't I woke up
00:52And I checked my call log, and I was like triple eight nine five seven ninety five seventy
00:58Yeah, no don't worry don't worry okay, no nothing happened. Oh, yeah, yeah, so anyway
01:04This is the day after that that was the day the next day
01:10Grandy and I were here, and we had gone together to the Raptors Warriors game
01:16not like hand-in-hand, but we sat next to each other at the Warriors Raptors game and
01:23Steph Curry got thrown to the floor like a damn ragdoll and
01:28he had a pelvic
01:30Contusion yep. Yeah, he landed on his butt and it hurt really bad, and he missed two basketball games and
01:37What I took from it once we get past the oh crap Steph's hurt. I hope it's not bad
01:44Which is the lead?
01:46Once we got past that yeah, your butt hurts. Yeah, I pointed to the fact that anybody notice
01:52There's no foul called on the play
01:55Thrown to the floor like a flipping rag doll no foul
02:02Yeah, no, I don't know if he was thrown to the floor okay on the pass by the way
02:07He was I don't care what he was doing. I'm just saying he was absolutely
02:12Given a body shiver to the ground a foul and yeah, thank you, okay, so the nature of my point
02:20Was not
02:21I'm a warrior fan, and I want my guy to get my fouls
02:25And I hate refs that was not the nature of my point the nature of my point was NBA
02:31I don't understand what you're doing
02:34You are an entertainment industry. This is not about fairness
02:38I don't even really want to go down the road of a fouls a foul and a foul is a foul I
02:43Get it. It's hard. It's hard to be a ref. It's hard to be a basketball player
02:48It's hard to do all of these things, but what did the NFL do once quarterbacks kept getting snapped in half?
02:55What'd they do they went you know what?
02:57We probably shouldn't worry so much about fairness anymore
03:00And they called a meeting with everyone who plays defense and they said hey defense guess what life's gonna suck from here on out
03:08all the rules are gonna be against you and
03:11You're gonna deal with it because you paid a lot of money
03:13And we make a lot of money and the way we make a lot of money is we have our quarterbacks
03:18healthy and in the game
03:21But here we are again here
03:24We are again after a game in Memphis where the guy is the national story because he put on a show unlike any other
03:31yet he's still subjected to this crap and
03:34Got into a shoving match with Desmond Bain at the end of the game
03:37And I have no doubt that that had very little to do with Desmond Bain
03:41It has to do with the fact that a human being can only take so much and in his size
03:46He gets thrown around and shoved and body shivered and slapped all
03:52Night long and because of his size in my opinion
03:57He can't get a damn whistle now. He even spoke about this after the game on NBC Sports Bay Area
04:05It's my reality. I've been in this situation for a long time
04:10It's like a playoff game like you have to adjust to where it would you know how the game's being called you can have reaction
04:15But you don't want to let it distract you from
04:17You know what the task is so I think trying to stay as even-keeled as possible
04:22That doesn't mean you're passive or giving in to it
04:24You're kind of fighting through it and not looking to get bailed out even though you know you feel like it's not going away
04:29Okay, so that that's his take on it, and he is elite with regard to how he handles it
04:34Which was kind of the point I think that that both Fitz and Kalenna were trying to make
04:41In bringing that up with him
04:43But I don't know what to tell you dude like to me when I see those shoving matches at the end of playoff level
04:49Atmosphere I look to the refs, and it's not because it's like oh you got to call everything right
04:54It's because you set a poor tone in an intense game because you are letting people get shoved around and you're not
05:02Helping your stars get through that and it leads to this kind of stuff, and I quite think I honestly think it's dangerous
05:09Well, I do think that the shoving match is totally different from the fact that he didn't get a lot of calls in the game
05:15And I'm just watching it back now
05:17And what Steph was doing after the whistle was trying to shoot a three
05:21Like a practice three and Desmond Bain just was right next to him
05:25And he swatted the ball away, and I don't know what the protocol is
05:28Officially about shooting the ball after the whistle there was a timeout and so
05:34Timeout Warriors and Steph wanted to shoot a three because he had the ball and Desmond Bain
05:39Was right next to him, and he didn't want him to shoot a right
05:41But my point is is I don't think that kind of an act leads to anything if frustration has not already been built for two
05:48And a half hour period I guess that's my get your point, but for me in that moment
05:53He was frustrated because you know the whole game, and it's Memphis and Memphis is gonna try to physically
06:00Jostle him like every team is gonna try to physically bump him off
06:04And you know get him out of his rhythm because you mentioned it before how you gonna guard this guy you can't guard him
06:09One-on-one because he's too fast and he shoots too quickly, and he's a very difficult guy to guard
06:15So if you're Desmond Bain and you get to this point in the game
06:19You're gonna do whatever you can to try to get under his skin and in this moment
06:22he got the Steph cuz Steph wanted to shoot a three a practice three and Bain smacked the ball out of his hands and
06:29Yeah, was the game overly physical absolutely does Steph need to get more calls
06:35Yes, he does, and this is where I have a little bit of an issue over
06:40Where he is in his career
06:41And you know we had a very spirited back and forth all of us on the on the show thread last night
06:46Not all of us Randy sat it out. I didn't know why but anyway go ahead
06:50Sleep or something what were you doing last night? Yeah, I was asleep, okay
06:53And I'm not looking for anybody to engage my only point on the thread, and I'll make it here is
07:00Steph Curry needs to do more to get more and it's not to say that he has to go into full flop mode
07:06But if you look at other players like him in history and the ones you know you threw out
07:12KD and Kobe and I don't think that those for me are the comps
07:16I was thinking this morning all morning about this like who
07:19Who's the best way to look at it in terms of Steph Curry?
07:22And I came up with Allen Iverson and Trey young players like Steph players who play like Steph
07:29And what are the free throw rates of these guys now AI did not shoot the three?
07:33Nearly as often because the three wasn't the three thing when he played so he drove to the hoop a lot more
07:40Iverson for his career nine free throw attempts a game
07:43And he made seven of the nine seventy eight percent great Trey young modern
07:49Equivalent of Steph he's not as good as Steph, but he plays a lot like Steph and he gets
07:547.6. Free throws a game Steph Curry for his career
07:594.3. Free throws a game so does Steph drive
08:03Less than Trey young no, I think actually so a little bit, but go ahead
08:07Yeah, I mean my point is if I'm Steph and I've played
08:1216 years now in the Association, and I'm still not getting a call
08:15I would go about things in a different manner and you look at Trey young
08:20And he is one of the biggest complainers in the Association James Harden shoots more free throws than almost anybody
08:27Well, he's he complains, right? He doesn't just complain. He's literally
08:31Playing a different brand of basketball, which is I find to be terribly unwatchable
08:37I find it to also just be I'm not gonna say that it's like
08:41Underhanded but the bottom line is is as I've said in the past James Harden Chris Paul guys like this
08:48They play a game of let's get the ref to think something that didn't happen happened. That's what that's the game
08:55They're playing. I do not want Steph Curry to get denigrated into that area
09:01I don't either at all like not even a tiny bit
09:03I agree with that part of it
09:05but what I want Steph to do is be more animated and be more of a squeaky wheel because if
09:12You are somebody who is gonna be an agitator if you're gonna complain more if you're gonna advocate for yourself
09:18you're going to get more calls and you know going on with Fitz and
09:23Buki in the postgame and being vague about how mad you really are. That doesn't work. You have to be more
09:30Aggressive you have to get at Mark Davis, for example last night Mark Davis, by the way
09:35Who always gives the Warriors a bad whistle?
09:38I do think that Steph Curry would do himself a big favor if he was more animated in moments like okay
09:45Here's what I here's the problem
09:47I have with your point and you can weigh in on this eight at eight nine five seven nine five seventy is the point
09:53I feel like that's just a huge cop-out for the refs
09:56Why should he have to act different for them to do what they're supposed to do
10:01Like if I were to take your comp like I understand where you're coming from
10:05Would Steph get more calls if he was a bigger jerk on the court?
10:09Maybe I don't want him to be a jerk
10:11one of the things we love about Steph Curry is the way he plays and I think that that is of the
10:17Long list of things that he does so well
10:19That has made the audience react to him in a way that they've never
10:23Reacted before in the history of the league is because he doesn't get into this crap
10:27Like we sit at Louie literally sit here and watch the NBA and go flop flop that guy's a flop
10:33No one's ever said it about Steph. No one
10:36I've heard warrior fans who used to really struggle to watch Jordan pool
10:41Because every drive he'd end up under the damn
10:44basket on the ground and the other teams going the other way and he's talking to a ref and
10:50We've talked about Luka who won't stop talking to the refs when he's supposed to be playing defense and
10:56LeBron James is over here at six foot eight a thousand pounds and apparently can fall down if you're
11:04150 pounds and you touch him
11:05I don't want Steph to do any of that and to suggest that he should do that
11:11So that the referees will do what they should already be doing. Anyway, I just think is a very very bad
11:18Precedent it's kind of like telling a kid. It's like if you want dinner, don't do your homework
11:25misbehave
11:27In fact, don't do don't do your homework
11:30Smear crayons all over the wall and then we'll realize that you need our attention
11:35And we'll come over and go do you need some attention? Well, yeah, I want a snack. I'm gonna give you a snack. No
11:43It's snack time
11:45Give the kid a snack while they're sitting there doing their math
11:49Steph's doing it right and the refs and the league are doing it wrong, but you're not seen
11:54It's not that hard to see we can see it fine. They're getting thrown to the floor blow the damn whistle
12:00It's year 16 and they aren't blowing out the damn with their fault
12:04Well, I'll call them out not him fine, and I'm not gonna disagree with you that it's quote their fault
12:10I don't think that he gets the calls that he deserves
12:12But when you're 16 years in and you look at the list this year of who is shot the most free throws in the Association
12:20Giannis is number one fine. He's unguardable. You have to foul him. Shea is number two. Does Shea complain a lot?
12:26He complains some not even just complaining. It's it's it's flopping
12:30He's a flopper James Harden is three flopper Trey young is for flopper
12:34Anthony Edwards is five right Devin Booker is six and how many titles have all of them won?
12:40That's not the point of this conversation. The point is doesn't work. You want the whistle?
12:45I want to do advocate in a different way, and he doesn't do that disagree
12:50Well, I don't want to change his game disagree. No the numbers don't have to flop
12:54I'm saying that if you're Steph Curry
12:56It's okay in spots to take the mouthpiece out and get after a referee and say you got to be kidding me
13:03Instead of just like shrug. I think I'm done that I don't think he doesn't know
13:08I think he'd listen he in Brooklyn. They came out with said you remember the game
13:12They fell down 27 to 5 and the Nets were
13:15being so absurd and so over the top with the way that they were hounding him and the way that they were
13:21Whacking him on the arm and shoving him around and nobody would whistle him to the point where Steph Curry did it in the way
13:27That Steph does it which is he took an inbounds pass underneath his own hoop
13:31And as they tried to pick him up full court
13:34He gave a full shoulder shove into the defender knocking him down getting an offensive foul called
13:40So that he could turn to the ref and go do you understand the point that I'm trying to make and then what happened?
13:47Poof Warriors come back win the game Steph has a nice night, but it shouldn't have to even be that way I
13:54Understand I agree with you have data you have data
13:58But I have what I believe is the emotionally correct side in terms of I'm not bailing
14:05Refs out by saying this is Steph's fault because he's not a squeaky wheel. That's just that's the wrong way to go about it
14:13Yeah, he's saying it's his fault my you know this my cousin
14:16May he rest in peace was an NBA ref and I'll never forget one of the things that he told me
14:22Because one night years ago. He was doing a warrior game, and he was in town early
14:26So he came over to the house so probably I don't know two in the afternoon
14:31he doesn't need to be at the arena yet, and we sit down, and we're just talking shop and
14:36As a kid and an NBA fan
14:39One of the things that came up is is like okay?
14:42How do you prepare for a game because fouls a foul right?
14:48How do you prepare for a game and I'll never forget what he said to me?
14:53He goes every game as
14:55referees we get together and we talk about the players that are in this particular game and
15:02What we need to do to officiate this correctly and he looks at me
15:07And he goes this is back when my new bowl was a warrior. Yeah, he goes tonight
15:11One of the things we will sit down and talk about is the fact that my new
15:16He likes to just stand underneath the hoop
15:18Because he likes to wait and block all the shots because he's seven foot six, but you're not allowed to do that
15:24You can't just stand there and play zone defense defensive three in the game exactly
15:28So we talk about that so that we're prepared for the specific players that we're about to officiate
15:35Why can't you do that for Steph?
15:38He is the smallest of all the people we're talking about
15:42Go over your list
15:43your list is largely going to be people who are bigger and therefore are
15:49Afforded the ability to play a more physical brand of basketball. I'll try young is 6-1
15:54yes, and I understand that for me is the best comp and all this and Iverson was six foot and as I mentioned AI was
16:01Much more to the basket exactly the mid-range and driving to the hoop is what you did back in his day
16:06Trey young is playing now and Trey young is number four in free throw attempts does Trey young drive more than Steph
16:13I don't know if he does he does and he's got the ball in his hands even more than Steph Steph of course to borrow
16:19Stein he's
16:20Great line not a true point guard
16:22I mean, he's not a he doesn't bring the ball over the over the timeline all the time the Warriors run their offense
16:29Which does not call for Steph to just grab the ball and penetrate and kick in in his own way
16:35That's ball stopping. That's Atlanta Hawks ball. That's why you got more L's than W's no doubt right so like
16:42Again, I hear where you're coming from I just I don't want Steph to be the one that has to change
16:48Like that's that that's just wrong. He should not have to be the one who makes the change
16:52I get it
16:53They should you're not wrong
16:54But I look at 16 years of NBA basketball and Steph Curry is
16:59Shooting more threes than ever before and if you look at Steph just this year
17:03And I'm looking at the numbers right now
17:06707 threes he's taken
17:091128 total shots which tells me
17:12707 threes
17:14421 twos so we'll put aside him being fouled on the three for a moment because the majority of what people want is
17:20When he goes to the basket, right?
17:22That's where to a degree that thing that with the granny just played Steph never went inside the three-point line
17:28I could show you a video. It's all over social media today job thousand four times
17:32Yeah, just on the left wing alone. No call no call and that game was very physical
17:37They called 45 fouls in totality 23 and 22 respectively
17:42And so, you know, I don't want to defend the refs because it's a bad look and in this case
17:46I agree with you about Steph not getting the whistle that he deserves
17:51I do think though that Steph Curry needs to take a different approach if you're 16 years into the league and you've never
17:58Gotten a fair whistle
17:59He's only shooting for free throws a game for his career
18:03And in fact, his free throws are down year over year from last year and the year before
18:08So if you are 16 years in and you're still not getting the whistle that you feel like you deserve take a different approach
18:15I'm not saying you got to go full flop or
18:18Full Harden or full Iguodala with the palms up, but you got to do something else
18:23Maybe one game when you're playing Charlotte at home not in Charlotte because I know it's a family game
18:29Maybe you just straight blow up and you get thrown out or maybe you go in the post game and you get a 50,000
18:35Are fine
18:37Who wants those things do you want free throws? Yes, then do something else?
18:42No, they should do something. I'm not going to that but they should but they haven't but so how long do you want to repeat?
18:49The cycle it's insanity except for the fact that it's like if we're sitting here and we're all agreeing that somebody needs to make a move
18:56I don't know why you're suggesting that that has to be Steph the NFL yesterday
19:01Sat down and with all going on with the Warriors. We didn't even talk about it
19:04You know what? They came out with bunch of new rules
19:07They sat down and went you know what that was stupid. Let's do this differently
19:12Why can't the NBA do that? And even if it's just for Steph?
19:17But I don't even think that's crazy
19:20Augusta National changed the golf course for Tiger
19:22Yeah
19:23this is the face of your league and the audience's favorite thing that's ever happened to your league since Michael Jordan and
19:31and you won't
19:32adjust to protect him from
19:35Busting his tailbone in half before the playoffs start you won't do that. You can't make a call
19:41We talked about this all the time in the NBA. Oh the bat phone rang
19:45We need the Lakers to get by Portland and in seven games so that we can get them the NBA final so people can watch
19:51You won't make that call. You're not gonna make that call so that Memphis, Tennessee
19:56Doesn't end up advancing in the NBA playoffs over Steph
20:00Because you allowed a bunch of dudes who don't even have a head coach and don't even have an on-court leader
20:07You allowed them to go out there
20:09guns up at each other
20:11Shoving people all over the place losing their minds and you won't protect your biggest asset. That is
20:20Bananas to me. Well if they didn't protect him and that's what you're saying
20:24He had 52 and understood even though you didn't protect him and the thing about him
20:30Bruising his tailbone even if they call that foul
20:33He still goes down and bruises his tailbone the point is is to your point if there is going to be learned behavior
20:40Defenses will stop being so insanely physical with him if the officials will protect him
20:48You would but they know they can do this. It's literally I guarantee you it's on the whiteboard in their locker room
20:55Beat him up right beat him up. It's what the Pistons tried to do to Jordan
21:00That's right, so they finally said you know what we're not doing this anymore
21:04Why can't they do it it did work it did work
21:10Jordan and they couldn't keep the Jordan rules for his entire career. They couldn't do well eventually Michael
21:15Jordan was able to play through that contact and beat Detroit and then Detroit got old and then Jordan started on his
21:20Historic run the idea of the officials. I'm not excusing them or discounting what you're saying
21:26I hear you it's clearly a thing, but I'm looking at 16 years of Steph Curry, and you've never gotten it
21:33So if you're gonna wait for the refs to adjust and finally give you a good whistle
21:39That is one way you could go about it. I would advocate for Steph to say you know what there's gonna be a point here
21:46Where I'm just gonna have to blow up and blow this whole thing up if you truly are
21:50The global icon that you are and he is then maybe one of your post games
21:55you just go off and you take the 50k or the 100k and you just you just run them down because
22:02Everything else you've done with all of your
22:06Docile diplomacy, which is wonderful, and that's why we love him at some point you got to try something else
22:11Yeah, but you got to try something different boy boy
22:14If there's one human being in all the sports who I don't want doing anything different. It's Stephen Curry
22:20Well, then just be happy with his four free throws again. Oh, I don't get the rest won't change
22:25They haven't changed and they won't change well
22:28Then then you should be able to give Steph Curry that leeway to that he shouldn't have to change
22:33The rules are the rules and right now. They're not being followed at all. They're being followed by him
22:38They're not being followed by the people who are there to actually put them
22:43into play