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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:04I am hopeful that you had a good Eid.
00:07We are not supposed to talk about sadness during Eid.
00:10But we said, why not?
00:12You must have understood what I am going to talk about.
00:14Yes, cricket.
00:15There was a time when we were not tired of talking about cricket.
00:19Now we die talking about it.
00:21Our hearts sink.
00:22We don't feel like watching the match.
00:24And especially when Pakistan is batting, I don't watch it.
00:27I still watch bowling.
00:29The same thing is happening with bowlers.
00:31That match is gone.
00:33What happened to us in the Champions Trophy?
00:35What happened in New Zealand?
00:37It is still happening.
00:38It is not over yet.
00:39What has gone wrong?
00:41There was a time when we were in the 90s.
00:43The whole world used to talk about Toti.
00:45Now our Tota doesn't even talk.
00:47I mean, it's a shameful situation.
00:50Babur Azam.
00:51Every time King Babur Azam.
00:54His backpatch is not ending.
00:56We don't understand the team.
00:58What is wrong?
00:59Is there a lack of planning?
01:00Is there a lack of talent?
01:02Has the cricket board become too political?
01:06What are the reasons?
01:07Is there fitness?
01:08What is the problem?
01:09After all, there is something that is completely destroyed.
01:12We will try to talk about all these things.
01:15I have a very interesting panel.
01:17We have joined by Shoaib Malik.
01:19Former cricket captain of Pakistan.
01:22Cricket captain, batsman, spin bowler.
01:24We have Dr. Noman Niaz.
01:26He is a senior analyst.
01:28I don't know how many books he has written on cricket.
01:30He has written one more book.
01:32That is also coming soon.
01:34Shoaib, let's start with you.
01:36You have told me this.
01:38Our situation is that we were not able to play spinners.
01:42At one time, people used to say that spinners make victims.
01:45Because they are our victims, spinners are afraid of fast bowlers.
01:48They are afraid of fast bowlers.
01:50Now we are not even able to play spin.
01:51Why is our destruction so much?
01:53Why is?
01:54Why are we in such a desperate situation?
01:56And the question is that we have been destroyed.
01:59Why has the other team gone so far?
02:02I think that our performances or consistency is not visible.
02:13I think that we are here because of a lot of changes.
02:22For example, if you take our domestic structure.
02:25Or if you talk about clarity.
02:31When it comes down to giving clarity to the players.
02:35These things have been going on for many years.
02:39And I think there are a lot of changes in terms of chairmen, selection committees, so many captains.
02:48And this has not been going on for a long time.
02:52And if things come down so much, it does not mean that overnight things were spoiled.
02:58So the next day we came to this place and stood.
03:01There are no such things.
03:03We have made a lot of changes.
03:05And I think there is not a single person because of whom we are standing here.
03:11There are a lot of people.
03:13We are a nation.
03:15Because we take things to the next level in one day.
03:18And the next day we make zero.
03:20We make a hero in one day and make zero.
03:22This does not happen.
03:24No, that is fine.
03:26But I want to go into specifics.
03:28Tell me one thing.
03:30The team was just selected.
03:32I was looking at the selection committee.
03:34There is Aleem Dar, Aqib Javed, Asad Shafiq.
03:38They have played 77 tests.
03:40Azhar Ali has played 97 tests.
03:42Aqib Javed is all-rounder and full-fledged.
03:44I don't understand two people.
03:46Aleem Dar is an umpire.
03:48Hassan Cheema used to do football programs.
03:50He must be an analyst of cricket.
03:52But he is not a real-time data analyst.
03:55He is not a data scientist.
03:57Do you think this selection committee is right?
04:00Competent enough to select the team?
04:02Because the teams that are being selected, there is destruction in them.
04:06I just want to give my opinion on this.
04:09From my point of view, I think it can be improved.
04:14Your national selector should be one.
04:17Things can be much better with him.
04:21Your national selector should be for two years.
04:24He should be capable.
04:26The teams and the cricket that is happening all over the world,
04:30which is called modern day,
04:32if you talk about venues,
04:35Who will select the national selector?
04:38Obviously, the stakeholders will do it.
04:41For example, if the chairman does it,
04:43even if the chairman is not an expert in cricket,
04:46he is wearing two caps at one time.
04:48When he loses a cricket match,
04:50he starts talking about the interior.
04:52When there is a terrorist incident,
04:54he becomes the chairman of the PCB.
04:56This is also a problem.
04:58Look, I know him personally for many years.
05:03I can guarantee one thing about him.
05:06When he decides to do something,
05:09he takes full responsibility for it.
05:14He takes the challenge very well.
05:17No doubt, he has a lot of responsibilities.
05:20Not just the chairmanship of the PCB.
05:24Do you understand the game?
05:26Understanding the stadium is another thing.
05:28Do you understand the game?
05:30If you take my answer,
05:32it will be a good solution.
05:35Because I am an athlete.
05:38I am not a politician.
05:42If you keep stopping me,
05:44it will be a problem.
05:46For your clarity,
05:48I want to know seriously.
05:50One is the administration quality of a person.
05:53He can be an excellent administrator.
05:56When you talked about the national selector,
05:59do you think he understands the game
06:02or the administration?
06:04Look, he understands the game.
06:07No doubt, he has a lot of responsibilities.
06:12He takes more responsibility
06:14than his advisors.
06:17Those who advise him,
06:19they make good decisions.
06:21I think they know cricket better.
06:26A lot of chairmen have come.
06:30Doctor is with you.
06:32They don't have a cricket background.
06:35It has never happened that
06:37a lot of such chairmen have come.
06:39But it is their advisors
06:41who have more responsibility
06:43to make the right decisions
06:45or give them the right advice
06:47so that they can make the right decisions.
06:49So that Pakistan cricket can grow.
06:52Let's get Dr. Noman into the debate also.
06:56First, the selection committee.
06:58He has selected three people.
07:00Is this the right selection committee?
07:02The selection committee is not right.
07:07It is not right at all. Why?
07:09The reason is that you are trying to copy
07:12a process-driven model.
07:16But you don't have the capacity
07:18to copy the names of two selectors.
07:20As Shoaib said, that is the proper way.
07:23First, you make a policy.
07:25What will be your selection policy?
07:27Today's selection policy is not old.
07:29I have seen it. The boy is very good.
07:31That is not the case now.
07:33Now you have AI, Artificial Intelligence.
07:35You have a lot of data.
07:37Like you were talking about real-time data.
07:39That is available.
07:41Psychologically, you will be shocked to know
07:43that BCCI has made an app
07:45and the contracted players
07:47are on their phones.
07:49When you wake up in the morning,
07:51the first question is, how is your mood?
07:53Then you get a body scan.
07:55Any pain, anywhere.
07:57This is Cricket India.
07:59This is modern cricket.
08:01They monitor you daily.
08:03What is your mental state?
08:05What is your skill set?
08:07What is your fitness?
08:09Fitness is not the physical fitness.
08:11Our PCB is still stuck there.
08:13Where is our physical fitness?
08:15Now it is about supreme fitness.
08:17Shoaib will tell you better.
08:19He himself was a really super fit guy.
08:21Now, like Glenn Phillips,
08:23their core is developed.
08:25Their back is developed.
08:27So that there is a dynamic balance in the air.
08:29They take extraordinary catches.
08:31Then there is bowling fitness.
08:33Then there is batting fitness.
08:35Our medical panel runs Diploma Holders.
08:37And one physiotherapist from South Africa,
08:39Cliff Dakin,
08:41who is now out of our politics.
08:43You have invested billions in stadium fitness.
08:45We have made Tom.
08:47We have made Tom.
08:49We have made a tomb.
08:51Because you had to invest in cricket.
08:53You invested in concrete.
08:55But you did not invest in operational infrastructure.
08:57Now your selection committee,
08:59after the disaster of the Champions Trophy,
09:01why did you sustain?
09:03And why did you not ask them?
09:05That one spinner,
09:07where four were needed,
09:09one opener and that opener which was unwarranted,
09:11which was not given a central contract.
09:13You brought it in trouble when Saim was injured.
09:15So why these questions were not asked?
09:17First let me ask you one thing.
09:19Then I will ask Shoaib Singh.
09:21Did we stand at that old place
09:23and the rest moved ahead?
09:25Or did the rest also move ahead
09:27and we went further back?
09:29And tell me about India.
09:31Why has India's team become so strong?
09:33And why have we been completely divided?
09:35India's very ideal case study,
09:37after 2007,
09:39when IPL came,
09:41and when they lost to Bangladesh in the World Cup
09:43in 2008,
09:45they decided that
09:47they have to progress.
09:49They developed their systems.
09:51They called foreigners, coaches,
09:53and did their train the trainer programs.
09:55And fulfilled the training of local stock.
09:57They fulfilled the infrastructure.
09:59Their market is very deep.
10:01They had a lot of money.
10:03They kept the right people for the right job.
10:05Now they have two cricketers back to back.
10:07They had a politician, Sharad Pawar.
10:09Now they have Roger Binny and Sourav Ganguly.
10:11So that makes no difference.
10:13You are still a politician.
10:15No, no.
10:17Now he is the head of BCCI.
10:19So what has India done?
10:21They have regulated their first class cricket
10:23as Shoaib was saying.
10:25They have consolidated it.
10:27They have brought the tools
10:29of modern cricket.
10:31They have become Ferrari and you are Fiat.
10:33In that,
10:35there is biomechanics and kinesiology.
10:37They assess every player.
10:39How is his physical shape?
10:41How is his action?
10:43How will be his injury prevention?
10:45How will be his workload?
10:47They know everything about the player.
10:49Where will he deliver?
10:51How will he run?
10:53Everything is done by their cricket board.
10:55After that, their tier system.
10:57Like Rahul Dravid was the classic example.
10:59He was the coach of U-19.
11:01When he progressed,
11:03he was the coach of U-19.
11:05When he came to the senior team,
11:07he was the coach of the Indian senior team.
11:09So we don't understand what the coach is.
11:11Then Shoaib said one more thing.
11:13The chairman is not at all necessary.
11:15I totally agree that he should marry cricket.
11:17But advisors.
11:19Shoaib Malik is fresh blood in this sense.
11:21Because they have played modern cricket.
11:23They have played in the world.
11:25This is their time.
11:27What are we doing?
11:29We are reinforcing failures.
11:31Not necessarily a great fast bowler can be a great coach.
11:33There is a sample size of a coach.
11:35There is a method.
11:37There is training.
11:39So our problem is that
11:41we have a lot of vested interest.
11:43There is a lot of corruption in the bureaucracy of cricket.
11:45And your franchises
11:47have left their domain
11:49and encroached Pakistan cricket.
11:51There is favoritism.
11:53You have a lot of political interventions.
11:55Now tell me where did Rana Fahim Ashraf come from?
11:57When you already had an all-rounder.
11:59Then you tell me
12:01where did Khushdil come from?
12:03On the basis of Bangladesh Premier League.
12:05You were making your Champions Trophy team.
12:07How could you keep one spinner?
12:09It was not logical.
12:11There was no balance of the team.
12:13So this means that these are not honest selections.
12:15It is a case of intellectual dishonesty.
12:17Shoaib, you may be one of the few.
12:19In our opinion, you are a youngster.
12:21You are much younger than us.
12:23You have started playing since the 90s.
12:25We are in 2020-25.
12:27We are constantly playing.
12:29So you have seen total corruption.
12:31You have seen the corruption of India.
12:33We are also seeing the corruption of India.
12:35And it hurts our hearts.
12:37So we say, whatever happens,
12:39either we win or India loses.
12:41This is how we see cricket.
12:43These are the many things
12:45that Noman has pointed out technically.
12:47These are all things
12:49that Pakistan can easily do.
12:51Why doesn't it do it?
12:53Why doesn't it do it?
12:55Look,
12:57I have understood a little.
12:59Because I have an association
13:01as a mentor.
13:03I have a domestic team under me.
13:05So I have understood a little
13:07that when the car
13:09runs on the right track,
13:11when we have a failure
13:13as a team,
13:15what we do is
13:17we stop the car there
13:19and try to put it on another track
13:21just to get success.
13:23It doesn't happen that
13:25when the car goes in the right direction,
13:27there are hurdles.
13:29Hurdles come in the form of failure
13:31and also in the form of success.
13:33So what you have to do
13:35is if you have taken the right decision,
13:37then let the car
13:39stay on the same track.
13:41Don't shake the car
13:43on the right track
13:45because of social media
13:47or media pressure.
13:49Don't shake the car
13:51on the right track.
13:53The doctor just gave an example
13:55of the Indian team.
13:57They also had a failure.
13:59After 10 years, they won
14:01an ICC trophy in 2024.
14:03In the span of 10 years,
14:05they also did not win
14:07an ICC trophy.
14:09But they knew that
14:11this is the process
14:13and there will be hurdles in this process.
14:15But we don't want to leave this process.
14:17We have to see
14:19what decisions they made.
14:21They never changed their
14:23domestic structure.
14:25Like the doctor said,
14:27if a player is injured,
14:29he doesn't go anywhere.
14:31His treatment is done
14:33in the National Cricket Academy.
14:35There are capable people
14:37and they do the full assessment.
14:39The player comes back
14:41and when he comes back
14:43and plays international cricket,
14:45it feels like
14:47he was never injured.
14:49What could be better
14:51than an injury?
14:53Like Mohammad Shami,
14:55Jaspreet Bumrah,
14:57Hardik Pandya.
14:59Our National Cricket Academy
15:01should have
15:03all the capable people.
15:05The formula was good
15:07but the same formula
15:09or the same people
15:11cannot give you success
15:13in a match or in a series.
15:15If a person is giving you success
15:17in a match or in a series,
15:19it is not possible
15:21to win a series
15:23or a trophy
15:25in the same formula.
15:27That is why
15:29a person should not
15:31give all the responsibilities.
15:33If a person is capable
15:35and good enough
15:37to understand all the formats
15:39of international cricket,
15:41it is not possible
15:43to give all the responsibilities
15:45to one person.
15:47It is not possible.
15:49If a person is capable
15:51and good enough
15:53to understand all the formats
15:55of international cricket,
15:57it is not possible
15:59to give all the responsibilities
16:01to one person.
16:03All the people involved
16:05should sit at a table
16:07and plan for the next 6 months
16:09so that you can do
16:11such things.
16:13It is not possible.
16:15I think this is the first reason.
16:17The second reason is that
16:19there should be a face
16:21who takes the responsibility
16:23of decision making.
16:25Yes, I selected this team
16:27because of this reason.
16:29I brought these players.
16:31We don't just defend.
16:33We come at the time of success
16:35but not at the time of failure.
16:37There should be a national selector
16:39and a captain.
16:41All the captains
16:43should be aligned.
16:45All the captains
16:47should be aligned.
16:49When they are aligned,
16:51we will get a long run
16:53and we will get consistent results.
16:55These are the flaws
16:57because of which
16:59our cricket is going down.
17:01At one level, there is no rocket science
17:03because there are success models.
17:05You see Australia cricket,
17:07New Zealand cricket,
17:09South Africa cricket,
17:11India cricket.
17:13What is the biggest crisis
17:15in our country?
17:17Is there no strategy
17:19or capacity
17:21for nepotism?
17:23What is the biggest problem
17:25in cricket?
17:27The biggest problem
17:29is the cricketing bureaucracy.
17:31It is not the chairman.
17:33There are CCOs
17:35and cut holders.
17:37The chairman brings them.
17:39What is the job of a bureaucrat
17:41who is the chief operating officer?
17:43What is the job of a bureaucrat
17:45who heads your first class cricket?
17:47A bureaucrat has to
17:49head your first class cricket.
17:51Who does it?
17:53A hotel management
17:55diploma holder
17:57is the director of your international cricket.
17:59A lawyer
18:01is the chief operating officer
18:03of your legal department.
18:05He will run PSL.
18:07You have to have professionals.
18:09Who are the professionals
18:11in India?
18:13In India,
18:15there is a promotion system
18:17in their associations.
18:19If you do a good job,
18:21you come to BCI.
18:23I was listening to Rana Sanawala
18:25that day.
18:27He said that the associations
18:29do the job.
18:31Then he mentioned
18:33mentors.
18:35Mentors say that
18:37it is easy to do.
18:39Do you have mentors in India?
18:41Mentors concept is not wrong.
18:43If they have JDs
18:45and they know
18:47that they have to deliver
18:49their deadlines.
18:51I haven't got into it.
18:53Let's ask Shoaib.
18:55What is their role?
18:57They are bringing in
18:5950 best cricketers.
19:03The biggest problem
19:05is corruption.
19:07Intellectual corruption
19:09and financial corruption.
19:11Resistance to change.
19:13They are all backdoor entrants.
19:15They don't merit their positions.
19:19Who is responsible?
19:21There are no role definitions.
19:23There are insecurities.
19:25Shoaib knows better
19:27than me.
19:29Coach used to
19:31directly interact with the player.
19:33He used to assess the problem.
19:35Is this the same system in India and Australia?
19:37Now, there is a biomechanist
19:39in between the coach.
19:41He analyzes everything
19:43from the machine.
19:45The player's physical,
19:47dynamics and balance problems.
19:49He tells the coach.
19:51The coach is savvy.
19:53He knows what the coach is saying
19:55and how to work on the player.
19:57They are more mechanized.
19:59They are process driven.
20:01Everyone's role is defined.
20:03Virat Kohli's role.
20:05Rohit Sharma's role.
20:07What he has to do in this match.
20:09How the situation will change.
20:11This is not happening in Pakistan.
20:13This is not possible.
20:15The people who have to do it,
20:17are not there.
20:19This is the generation.
20:21They have to come in
20:23the mainstream.
20:25They have to take cricket
20:27to the modern and central space.
20:29We have to take a short break.
20:31We have a lot to talk about.
20:33Stay with us.
20:35Welcome back to the show.
20:37Mr. Shoaib, tell us something.
20:39Mr. Rana Sinhawala was talking
20:41on a show.
20:43He said that he hired a mentor
20:45for 50 lakhs.
20:47He said that he doesn't know
20:49what to do with 50 lakhs.
20:51You talked about mentors.
20:53What do mentors have to do?
20:57First of all,
20:59it is important to have clarity.
21:01What is the responsibility
21:03of the mentors?
21:05The responsibility of the mentors
21:07is that they have
21:095 domestic teams
21:11under each player.
21:13It is called Champions Cup.
21:154 day cricket, 1 day cricket
21:17and T20.
21:19These 3 formats will be played.
21:21This is the team.
21:23There is a women's team
21:25under the mentors.
21:27There is a men's team
21:29under the mentors
21:31with camps and tournaments.
21:33This is the
21:35play development system.
21:37Everyone can see the mentors.
21:39Under the mentors,
21:41there is a proper staff
21:43who is with the Pakistan cricket team.
21:45There is a team
21:47with the U19 team.
21:49There are 5 high
21:51performance centers
21:53under the mentors.
21:55There are camps,
21:57practice matches and tournaments.
21:59This is the responsibility
22:01of the mentors.
22:05As a nation,
22:07we go behind
22:09because we have
22:11insecurities and jealousy.
22:13We can't see
22:15that someone
22:17deserves more
22:19than the other.
22:21We bring the jealousy
22:23and insecurities.
22:25This is why we can't
22:27go ahead as a nation.
22:31If you look at
22:335 mentors,
22:35they have played
22:37around 25,000-30,000
22:39international matches.
22:41They have represented
22:43Europe for 50 lakhs.
22:45If you look at the tax
22:47cut, it is $14,000
22:49or $15,000 per month.
22:51The salary of a mentor
22:53is $13,000
22:55per month.
22:57This is our physio
22:59with all due respect.
23:01The skin is foreign
23:03and we accept it.
23:05But our own players
23:07who have served the country
23:09and given us success
23:11and given us so many
23:13years.
23:15What is the time frame
23:17of this delivery?
23:19What is the time frame?
23:23The contract
23:25has 240 days.
23:27Many people ask
23:29why do mentors
23:31sit on TV?
23:33Mentors have a consultancy contract.
23:35They are not employed
23:37yet.
23:39These 5 mentors
23:41need clarity.
23:43When we came here,
23:45we discussed
23:47everything with Pakistan Cricket Board
23:49that this is how it is.
23:51We cannot be bound.
23:53I can tell you
23:55about my earnings.
23:57I was earning
23:59way more than what
24:01I am getting from Pakistan Cricket Board.
24:03Thank God.
24:05If we go into these things,
24:07we will never
24:09get ahead.
24:11I always say that
24:13any earning that you can justify
24:15through performance
24:17is a fair income.
24:19Whatever it is,
24:21it should be justified.
24:23Tell me,
24:25what is the KPI
24:27of mentors?
24:29How will we know
24:31that they are successful?
24:33Mentors
24:35are
24:37the
24:39successful
24:41formula
24:43that Pakistan Cricket Board
24:45has started.
24:47If there are 5 mentors
24:49and if
24:51every year
24:534-5 players
24:55can compete
24:57at a higher level
24:59consistently
25:01then there is no skill.
25:03Physical fitness is very
25:05important.
25:09I get the picture.
25:11I think it makes a lot of sense.
25:13But Noman, I want you to
25:15bust the bubble.
25:17Is there any mentor program in the world?
25:19Does India work like that?
25:21No, there is no concept of mentors.
25:23Why do we think of new things?
25:25Shoaib said
25:27that they have played so much
25:29that no one can deny
25:31their contribution.
25:33I keep saying that
25:35Shoaib Malik has been
25:37all throughout the world
25:39playing.
25:41He has seen
25:43the entire system.
25:45He knows the roots.
25:47He knows
25:49the modernity,
25:51the requirements,
25:53how to integrate
25:55the tools.
25:57He knows the differentiation
25:59between coaches and mentors.
26:01If this is a player development program
26:03and you already had a coexisting
26:05first-class structure
26:07instead of reinforcing it
26:09we can allocate a new budget
26:11and make it a champions' cup.
26:13We can even eliminate
26:15the Kazam Trophy.
26:17We will get new data.
26:19Every 6 months
26:21we write my name on
26:23the special pages of history.
26:25Shoaib himself has told you
26:27twice that fitness
26:29is very important.
26:31Even if your players are skilled
26:33they don't look like batting fit.
26:35Unfortunately,
26:37I am going to say something bitter.
26:39Shoaib had a lot of talent and skill
26:41when he came here.
26:43I was with him on his first tour.
26:45They knew they belonged to international cricket
26:47and they graduated.
26:49The guys we saw in New Zealand
26:51don't have basic skills.
26:53He is reflecting that
26:55our first-class structure
26:57is so far behind
26:59and the world is so advanced
27:01that we are not compatible.
27:03We are becoming irrelevant.
27:05For relevance,
27:07there are many rollicking superstars
27:09who have become mentors.
27:11I totally agree with him
27:13that we should not even bother
27:15about the numbers.
27:17KPIs will be seen.
27:19He just told us about the JDs.
27:21What is his experience?
27:23How many teams
27:25has he made?
27:27Playing was something else.
27:29Now, professional managers are coming
27:31who have degrees in management.
27:33I am asking you
27:35because we have created
27:37a new structure in the world.
27:39If there is Australia,
27:41England,
27:43let's say India for example.
27:45If the system is set
27:47without these superstars,
27:49why didn't we fix those basics?
27:51Exactly.
27:53I am asking you the same.
27:55You have come to school-college cricket.
27:57In the world,
27:59there is no cricket board for school-college cricket.
28:01Even Sri Lanka is far away
28:03which had a central core.
28:05Why are we doing that
28:07when you have zonal-tier cricket,
28:09under-13s, under-16s?
28:11There is one interesting thing
28:13and it has always been debated.
28:15Physio is not worth $13,000
28:17and we are worth $14,000.
28:19I tend to agree with you.
28:21You have the Gora Complex.
28:23But tell me,
28:25you had two coaches,
28:27Gillespie and Gary Kirsten.
28:29Why were they fired?
28:31Why did they bring them?
28:33This is such a big dichotomy
28:35and contradiction.
28:37This board was celebrated
28:39and not the previous one.
28:41What happened was,
28:43the previous board of Zaka Ashraf
28:45and Mickey Arthur were sacked.
28:47When they left,
28:49you were under a lot of pressure
28:51to hire foreign coaches.
28:53You were very lucky that you found
28:55Jason Gillespie and Gary Kirsten
28:57who have outstanding resumes
28:59and experience.
29:01They have come from tier cricket
29:03and they have done all the coaching.
29:05They are also ex-players.
29:07Their coaching sample size was very good.
29:09When they came,
29:11you made a contract with them.
29:13You gave them the power
29:15and restrictions.
29:17You kept them in selection.
29:19They will not listen to you
29:21under the table or over the shoulder.
29:23They will take you through a process
29:25and will take you neutrally on merit.
29:27The problem that I was telling you,
29:29is that your franchises have stakes.
29:31Some of your cricket players
29:33are on the board.
29:35Jason Gillespie openly said
29:37that Aqib was vying for my job.
29:39What could be more blunt than this?
29:41He used another word
29:43which I don't want to.
29:45So, when this problem came,
29:47resistance started to come.
29:49Now remove them
29:51because we are not doing well.
29:53We will not be able to get selected.
29:55We will not be able to form a team.
29:57They will not be able to understand
29:59our mindset.
30:01When there was a debate,
30:03they used to bring foreign coaches
30:05and half of the boys did not know English.
30:07I totally disagree.
30:09We need foreign coaches
30:11in the high performance centre.
30:13Like India did in the MRF academy.
30:15They should train your local coaches.
30:17If you have foreign coaches
30:19in the high performance academies,
30:21they should train them.
30:23Why not Shoaib Malik?
30:25Shoaib, I need your input on this.
30:27I want to say something on this.
30:29Gary Kirsten is very successful
30:31as a player and as a coach.
30:33Jason Gillespie as a player
30:35and as a coach.
30:37Even if you bring
30:39a foreign coach,
30:41you should not
30:43only run the national team.
30:45The coach should be
30:47aligned with your
30:49domestic coaches
30:51so that information is passed
30:53from bottom to top
30:55or top to bottom.
30:57All the information should be passed
30:59and discussed about the players.
31:01Whenever you bring a big name
31:03and when you go to play
31:05an abroad series,
31:07if you join the team
31:09in Dubai 4 days before
31:11and go on a tour,
31:13you don't need a coach.
31:15You need a coach who
31:17knows everything about the place
31:19and most of the time
31:21he should be with the players
31:23and should be aligned with
31:25your local staff
31:27or your domestic cricket coaches
31:29so that there can be discussions
31:31about the players.
31:33If you bring a big name
31:35then it will not
31:37give you a full year.
31:39You need a coach who can
31:41give you a full year.
31:43You need gaps and holidays
31:45but your coach
31:47should be
31:49aligned from bottom to top.
31:51Then your things
31:53can improve.
31:55Like Noman is saying,
31:57you should bring
31:59foreign qualified players
32:01who will
32:03prepare the entire
32:05team and
32:07keep the national team
32:09in Pakistan.
32:11You are absolutely
32:13right.
32:15Not only in one place
32:17but in all the areas
32:19where you are capable
32:21you should have a head
32:23who has the knowledge
32:25and is capable
32:27so that he can groom
32:29your high performance
32:31national cricket academy
32:33your physio should be
32:35the best of the best
32:37so that he can groom
32:39the rest of the locals.
32:41How is it now? Diploma holder?
32:43The world has gone to sports
32:45scientists, sports physiologists,
32:47sports medical specialists, rehabilitationists
32:49different types, sports umbrella
32:51injury prevention,
32:53workload management.
32:55Shoaib is absolutely right.
32:57He is already
32:59a physio.
33:01He has worked
33:03with Pakistan cricket
33:05and he is
33:07good enough
33:09to groom our local staff.
33:11I have already requested the chairman.
33:13Mentors,
33:15I have told you the responsibilities
33:17but mentors
33:19advise good things to them
33:21that you take such decisions
33:23and bring such people.
33:25Things are happening
33:27and not going in the direction of improvement.
33:29A small quick break, don't go away.
33:31Welcome to the program.
33:33Shoaib, tell me one thing.
33:35I wanted to ask Shoaib
33:37he told us about JDs, Mentors,
33:39what to do next.
33:41He told us about players and Mentors.
33:43Ok, we accept the system.
33:45But the modern cricketers
33:47that we have to make,
33:49apart from the skill set,
33:51the technology and
33:53the roles,
33:55the professionals,
33:57will they bring them in coaching teams?
33:59Will they bring biomechanics?
34:01Will they bring nutritionists?
34:03Will they bring data scientists?
34:05The real-time data
34:07of their team.
34:09Shoaib, are you bringing all these things in your system?
34:11So that the boys who produce these
34:13can sync in international cricket.
34:15So that they don't feel that
34:17the game is not going well.
34:19Let me tell you one thing.
34:21Our champions,
34:23our stallions team,
34:25our trainer,
34:27our physio,
34:29even the centrally contracted players,
34:31they don't come under us.
34:33They come under the international department.
34:35The centrally contracted players.
34:37They don't come under the Mentors.
34:41Our physios and trainers
34:43are aligned with them.
34:45They need protein,
34:47or they need creatine,
34:49or they need electrolytes.
34:51We are providing them.
34:53It is not our responsibility.
34:55The centrally contracted players.
34:57With the upper team.
34:59But we are still in touch with them.
35:01All our staff,
35:03we provide them with such things.
35:05We give them information.
35:07Now, player development is not just about skill.
35:09Like Doc also said,
35:11in that,
35:13how to recover, how to stay consistent.
35:15The other things,
35:17we have to teach them.
35:19And that is why
35:21our camps are being set up.
35:23The camps were not set up in the recent past.
35:25I still remember,
35:27Doc, our academy used to be set up.
35:29Our academy used to be set up for 3 months.
35:31Where we used to work a lot on physical fitness.
35:33We used to work on skill.
35:35We used to work on game awareness.
35:37So, camps like this
35:39are also being set up for 5 Mentors.
35:41So, all the players,
35:43whether they are domestic or
35:45international players,
35:47they will also be a part of it.
35:49And all this development will take place in them.
35:51And the results of this will definitely be seen.
35:53So, this is our,
35:55which is not even our domain.
35:57We try to make the players
35:59as they come.
36:01Tell me one thing, Shoaib.
36:03I hope I don't select the words wrong.
36:05But,
36:07right now, we are on the stage of humiliation.
36:09We are experiencing a lot of things.
36:11Tell me,
36:13when will Pakistan's cricket
36:15come to the stage of humiliation
36:17and when will it come to the stage of respect?
36:19One year, two years.
36:21How long should we resist
36:23the tendency of cutting our throats?
36:27Look, first of all,
36:29we have to accept this.
36:31We have to make our heart and mind
36:33as a nation understand
36:35that our cricket has come down.
36:37We compete against bigger teams.
36:39Whether it is a bilateral series
36:41or we are going to play
36:43the ICC trophy.
36:45So, first of all, we have to see
36:47that we still don't have that hope.
36:49The hope that used to come earlier.
36:51A few years ago,
36:53you used to think that Pakistan
36:55could play the final.
36:57So, first of all,
36:59we have to accept as a nation
37:01that our cricket has gone down.
37:03Now, you have to bring it back
37:05on track and bring it with consistency.
37:07Whatever decision making you do.
37:09What is the reasonable time frame?
37:11What do you think?
37:13One year, two years, three years.
37:15What do you think is the reasonable time frame?
37:17If you want to rule the world,
37:19then you need at least
37:21three to four years.
37:23That too with the right formation
37:25and on the right track.
37:27Otherwise,
37:29the way things have started.
37:31I didn't understand.
37:33If it stays like this
37:35and our people don't change,
37:37then in two years,
37:39you will see the result.
37:41Last two minutes, your thing.
37:43What Shoaib said is absolutely agreed.
37:45You should check the reality.
37:47Three to four years,
37:49if nothing changes.
37:51If you are bottom of the table.
37:53No, the change will be that
37:55you will bring cut for role HR.
37:57Nephew, uncle,
37:59remove the people from the board.
38:01Whatever salary you give,
38:03that doesn't matter.
38:05You should bring professional people
38:07who will make the professional system.
38:09Integrate them with selection,
38:11nutrition,
38:13sports umbrella, team operations.
38:15Realistically,
38:17the whole setup is in front of you.
38:19Do you think it will happen?
38:21Sir, I don't think so.
38:23Because there are many knee-jerk reactions.
38:25I heard Shoaib.
38:27Shoaib said one thing.
38:29Very quickly.
38:31His advisors
38:33should listen to him.
38:35Change the advisors.
38:37But you have to take the advisor
38:39on the basis of your acumen.
38:41If I get a job, I will give good advisors.
38:43What Shoaib said in the last 15-20 minutes,
38:45they were all logical.
38:47And it was very blunt.
38:49If you see in the undertones,
38:51he was straight.
38:53He didn't even touch anyone.
38:55So that is the way.
38:57There should be such advisors
38:59who show the chairman the reality check.
39:01Now tell me,
39:03it is very good that you have made stadiums.
39:05You have made 18.5 billion stadiums.
39:07It has become great.
39:09But would a new stadium be made
39:11if the infrastructure was for the first class?
39:13Or the tools that Shoaib is talking about,
39:15there are many missing links.
39:17You don't have labs.
39:19You don't have HR.
39:21Learn from India.
39:23Learn from New Zealand.
39:25Leave India.
39:27India's pockets are very deep.
39:29Shoaib is the age.
39:31In our last meeting,
39:33he said that
39:35with your high performances,
39:37I will work on the grounds
39:39that are not made.
39:41And you will see things
39:43moving forward.
39:45But the good things that are happening,
39:47they must be praised.
39:49Cricket is like religion
39:51in Pakistan.
39:53But it is irrelevant now.
39:55Dr. Numan, thank you very much.
39:57Thank you, Shoaib.
39:59Thank you for giving us time.
40:01You heard everything.
40:03Solutions are in front.
40:05They are staring us in the face.
40:07Our tendency is that
40:09everyone wants to write their own history.
40:11Everyone wants a separate name
40:13in their history.
40:15Don't reinvent the wheel.
40:17You have successful models.
40:19Australia is in front of you.
40:21New Zealand is in front of you.
40:23India is in front of you.
40:25Bring technical expertise.
40:27Right man for the right job.
40:29There is no rocket science.
40:31Only clear intention and
40:33move ahead of your ego.
40:35Let's hope something happens.
40:37But as Shoaib said,
40:39if everything goes as planned,
40:41it still takes 3-4 years.
40:43I think we should start
40:45looking at other games
40:47for cricket.
40:49This is advice.
40:51Goodbye.