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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Mehman with the program Sawale Ke Saath.
00:15Our top stories are new waves and because of that, two allies are facing each other.
00:20After a while, Mr. Bidawal Bhutto Zardari has to give a speech in Ladkana.
00:23In Sindh, the people's party's politics is at a very decisive turn.
00:28We will talk about this in the first part of the program.
00:29Has the PTI started a passive-aggressive negotiation?
00:32Has Mr. Alimin Gandapur been given a task?
00:35We will ask this question in a fair manner.
00:37What has happened in the meetings on Eid?
00:39In the second part of the program.
00:40After that, there is a threat of a new trade war.
00:43America has imposed tariffs.
00:45In response, China has also imposed tariffs on America.
00:48The world order is spiraling down rapidly.
00:51We will talk about this in the last part of the program.
00:53Let's start.
00:54Today is Zulfiqar Toh's birthday.
00:57On April 4, there is a meeting in Ladkana of the Pakistan People's Party.
01:01All of their leaders are present there.
01:04It is said that at around 8.30, Mr. Bidawal Bhutto Zardari is going to give a public address.
01:10There will be some policy decisions.
01:11Because in Sindh, the people's party is facing a very big political challenge.
01:17The new canals are being dug.
01:19Six canals to be precise.
01:20There is a different color in the alliance.
01:23But in Sindh, this is seen as an existential crisis.
01:27All the nationalist parties in Sindh were already on the verge.
01:30And now the people's party is feeling this heat.
01:33And I think today there is very little chance that Mr. Bidawal will give a hard statement in this regard.
01:38Before that, Mr. Zardari has said on March 10 that there will be a very big problem in Sindh.
01:44The different parties of the provinces will be affected by one-sided policies.
01:48What did the President say?
01:51It is therefore my constitutional duty as your President,
01:56my personal obligation as a patriotic Pakistani,
02:00to caution the House and the Government
02:03that some of your unilateral policies are causing great strain on the Federation.
02:11In particular, the Government's unilateral decision to carve out some canals from the Indus River
02:19system despite strong opposition from the Federation Union.
02:25Is it really an unilateral decision to carve out canals in Sindh?
02:29The people's party did not even know about it.
02:30They did not even care.
02:31The President is the President of the people's party.
02:33So how did such an unilateral decision come about?
02:36PM LN raises this question.
02:38He says that it was completely done by everyone's will, everyone's intention,
02:43and the people's party's facilitation.
02:45Let's listen to his opinion.
02:48The plan was initiated.
02:49President Asif Ali Zardari approved it in July 2024.
02:53He can send it back.
02:54He has constitutional powers.
02:56Like many bills, he has sent them back to the army.
02:58The people's party should not politicize it.
03:00This plan started with their agreement.
03:03On July 8, 2024, a press release is available from the President's house.
03:08The President issued a directive
03:10that all the military governments and the loyal government should provide funds for it.
03:15A few politicians who are out of the mainstream right now,
03:20who are unsuccessful,
03:21they are only airing this issue to highlight their politics.
03:25Otherwise, it is not that anyone is watching the water of Sindh
03:29or anyone wants to pollute the water of Sindh.
03:34It is very difficult for the people's party to balance politics in Sindh and Punjab.
03:38It is very easy in Sindh.
03:39You have to take a clear position.
03:40These six canals will affect the water of Sindh.
03:43The land there will be barren.
03:45All the parties are involved in this.
03:47Whether it is the nationalist party or the people's party.
03:49Right now, in Sindh, there is a trend of gathering all the people together.
03:54In Punjab, it is a little tricky.
03:56Because the leadership of the people's party there
03:58is not taking a clear position about it.
04:02Just like we saw the leadership of the people's party in Sindh.
04:05Yusuf Waza Gilani, Kamar Zaman Kaira,
04:07they have such a position that they say that Punjab is right, but Sindh is also not wrong.
04:13Listen to this.
04:15The people's party has no objection as to why the canals are being removed.
04:19They are talking about their own reservations.
04:25This issue should be solved with understanding and understanding.
04:29It is true that this is a very solid issue in Punjab.
04:32It is not that Punjab is not a problem.
04:34My Sindh brother is a little emotional.
04:37It is not wrong.
04:38But in the case of Punjab, it is a big problem.
04:42Mr. Chaudhary Manzoor, I saw after a long time that he has practically become a vocalist in politics.
04:47He has been quiet for a long time.
04:49He says, why is the CCI meeting not being called?
04:52Let's sit together and talk about all the stakeholders.
04:55Why has this meeting not been called yet?
04:57This is the question of the people's party. Listen.
05:00I have a question for the CM of Punjab.
05:02Which canal will you close and give water to this canal?
05:06To sell corporate farming, you are killing small farmers.
05:13I have a question for the Prime Minister of Punjab.
05:15You are not calling the CCI.
05:17Tell me the reason why you are not calling.
05:18If the Parliament passes a bill, the President of Pakistan agrees to it.
05:21Secondly, if a government ordinance is issued, the President of Pakistan agrees to it.
05:25Thirdly, he does not agree to anything.
05:27The President of Pakistan cannot agree to anything.
05:57Thank you very much.
05:59Sanjay, how long will this speech of Bilawal continue?
06:02What will be the tone of this speech?
06:04Will it be an aggressive tone?
06:06Will he call out on this issue?
06:10What is the sentiment of the people about these six canals?
06:14You have been sitting there since morning and talking to people.
06:17What is the overall mood of the people there?
06:19The tone of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari's speech today will definitely be strict.
06:27People's Party's various sources have been telling us for several days
06:31that they will announce their actions on 4th against the government of Wafaa.
06:36Before that, Wafaa should take a decision on these canals.
06:40But the government of Wafaa was told to announce on behalf of People's Party and Sindh Government
06:46that they should announce on behalf of Mutnada Canals.
06:49In the past few days, People's Party has started to join hands and make requests.
06:55You have made a request to the Prime Minister to announce on behalf of Mutnada Canals.
07:04The people are also very angry about this matter.
07:08Not only the people of People's Party, but all the voters living in Aam Sindh
07:13think that People's Party has sat with the government of Wafaa
07:18and made a deal on behalf of Sindh.
07:24People's Party has been in the government of Sindh for 17 years.
07:29But it has never gone so far as to sit with People's Party.
07:35After the Eid prayer, the people of Sindh and People's Party
07:42have made a lot of slogans against the government of Sindh and Wafaa.
07:47People's Party has made a lot of slogans against the government of Sindh and Wafaa.
07:54The people of Sindh and Wafaa are facing a lot of opposition at the ground level.
08:00People's Party is facing a lot of problems.
08:02The future of People's Party's politics is dependent on these canals.
08:07If people of Sindh and Wafaa do not have a say in these canals,
08:12then it will be a big problem for them to do their politics.
08:16We spoke to the M.P.A. of People's Party. He is very worried.
08:20He is saying that how is People's Party doing politics?
08:23Why is the leadership not saying anything?
08:25He himself is worried about this issue.
08:27You said in your intro that this started with the approval of President Dardari.
08:32But let me add to this.
08:34A certificate was taken from IRFAN to make this plan under the supervision of the government.
08:41IRFAN held a meeting on 17 July 2024.
08:45There was a supervision of the government in Sindh.
08:47The people of Sindh made the supervision of the government.
08:51But at that time, Sindh objected that the water from Sindh will be taken from here.
08:58So, the certificate of water availability was given to Punjab by IRFAN.
09:04In the supervision of Sindh, they said that this certificate should not be continued.
09:10After that, the Sindh government took this matter to the C.C.I.
09:13and said that the certificate of water availability given by IRFAN is wrong.
09:17It should be suspended so that the issue of canals ends.
09:20However, these 6 canals are not to be built in Punjab.
09:24Two canals have to be built in Sindh.
09:26And one in KP.
09:28Yes, one in KP and one in Balochistan.
09:30But the people of Sindh are saying that we do not want any canal to be built in Sindh.
09:35And we do not want any canal to be built in Punjab.
09:37Sanjay, please stay with us.
09:39You have given us an overview of the situation.
09:43Let's take the discussion back to the studio.
09:46Doctor, both of you are doctors.
09:48Let me start with you, Mr. Tariq Fazal Chaudhary.
09:50Why don't you call the C.C.I. meeting?
09:52The situation is getting worse.
09:54It is also a matter of the political survival of the People's Party.
09:56You heard from our representative that it was difficult for their representative to come for Eid.
10:00In the name of Allah, the most merciful.
10:02The C.C.I. meeting should be held on time.
10:08I personally do not know why it was delayed.
10:11Of course, there is one thing.
10:13The four provinces, their ministers, their consent, their timings and everything else
10:18is decided at an agreed time.
10:23But I can tell you that there is no bad policy.
10:27There are no issues of the government
10:29because of which the C.C.I. meeting is being called and the government is intentionally avoiding it.
10:37There is no such situation.
10:39But they are not even able to pre-empt it.
10:41If you do not avoid it, then you are not even able to pre-empt it.
10:44Before this, there was no such serious issue that could have been solved in the C.C.I.
10:51But now the situation is such that we have very respectable allies, the Pakistan People's Party.
10:58And you saw that yesterday when the Prime Minister announced that there was a significant decrease in electricity prices
11:04and he gave a gift to the people,
11:06at that time he took the names of all his allies, the President and especially Bilawar Bhutto Zardari
11:11and thanked them for being with us and we have been able to provide relief to the people with the help of our allies.
11:18Before this, I always say that the Pakistan People's Party is an independent political party.
11:25They are an alliance, but they have their own politics, their own agenda.
11:29So if there is any disagreement between them and our policy or anything,
11:33then we sit together and resolve it in a closed room with regard and respect.
11:40And this matter will be resolved in the same way.
11:42I will not go into the details of who said what.
11:48But I want some clarity because you say that the People's Party was on board.
11:53They knew that the President was a part of this procedure.
11:56The President says that we have been misquoted.
11:59We have not been consulted and it is not our job to do this procedural work.
12:04We make ordinances, we make bills.
12:06What is the clarity?
12:07Did you consult the People's Party with their consent?
12:10Look, the first thing is that I will not consider it appropriate to give a statement on behalf of the President
12:17that how many were on board and how many were not on board.
12:19But overall, on a lighter side, I tell you that the President's job is obviously not just to make a bill or sign an ordinance.
12:26He is the head of the state.
12:27It is a very big responsibility.
12:28And then apart from that, we see President Zardari not only as the President,
12:33but also as the leader and head of the Pakistan People's Party.
12:38Although the Chairman is Bilawal Bhutto Zardari,
12:40but it is obvious that he has a very central role in the politics of the Pakistan People's Party.
12:44And he is looking after and running things overall.
12:48So, everyone knows his position in the party or his grip on the party.
12:53It is not that he is only in a constitutional position.
12:57So, the party policy comes from President Zardari.
13:00And Bilawal Zardari also works with him.
13:03But how many were on board or not,
13:06I think it is inappropriate for us to discuss these things on the media.
13:11Because it has been made public.
13:13The statement has come from him and from you as well.
13:15That is why I wanted to give you some clarity because you know.
13:18Mr. Mohammad, what is the position of PTI on this?
13:20We are looking at the People's Party, PMLN.
13:23You are the party of Wifaq, right?
13:25So, what is your position on this?
13:28Let me know and then…
13:30In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
13:33Look, it is like this.
13:36Dr. Sir is a soft kind of person.
13:42He is a dove of the party.
13:43And he does not want to say that.
13:46He wants us to fight.
13:47No, no, I am not talking about that.
13:49He does not want to say that.
13:50He wants us to fight with the party.
13:52No, no, you do not fight.
13:53Look, in return for him, now you have two or three things.
13:57What did Mr. Hanif Abbasi say?
14:00That he will remain on this salary.
14:02Why did he say this?
14:04Let us go into the background.
14:06What was this?
14:07All this is happening because of corporate farming.
14:10Why is corporate farming happening?
14:14The reason why it is happening is that he has made him sit.
14:18Okay.
14:19So, when he said this to him,
14:21Mr. Asif Ali Zardari, he said it absolutely right.
14:23He is not a president.
14:24On the basis that on July 8, 2024,
14:28he had a meeting in his head,
14:32in which he discussed all these things.
14:35He actually ordered all the provinces.
14:40You can see the minutes of the meeting.
14:43Put your share of things.
14:45If they had this much problem.
14:47And remember this, Mr. Asif Ali Zardari,
14:49not as a president,
14:50not as a president,
14:51Mr. Asif Ali Zardari,
14:52who is whole soul Pakistan People's Party.
14:56Bilawal Bhutto is by name the chairman.
14:59He is not the chairman.
15:01He is talking about him.
15:02I want to ask about the PTI position.
15:04I am telling you, these are all things.
15:07So, if you look at it from that perspective,
15:09the way they are doing it,
15:11they had to do it.
15:12This is their compulsion.
15:13And what they are saying today,
15:14that we are not doing this, we are not doing that.
15:16If you don't like it,
15:17then take back the lands that you have given.
15:20So, today's statements,
15:21the harshness of the tone,
15:22what is this?
15:23Let's see, let's see.
15:24It's not like Mr. WikiLeaks,
15:26that we will keep saying
15:27and you keep doing.
15:28It's not like that.
15:29I am telling you those things
15:31which are track record
15:32and which are actually facts.
15:35Now it comes to Pakistan's justice system.
15:37Remember this,
15:38all these people are talking about the CCI.
15:40They had definitely called the CCI.
15:43They had called it in 2023.
15:45They had called it within a month.
15:47Although at that time,
15:48there were two provinces
15:50where there were no elected governments.
15:52But the CCI came.
15:53Why did it come?
15:54Because they had to call the CCI
15:56against Pakistan's justice system.
15:58And their own senators,
15:59people's party's senator,
16:00Mr. Taj Haider,
16:01has openly said in the standing committee
16:04of the senate,
16:05that it was illegal.
16:07But to do the census,
16:09to delay the elections,
16:12the CCI had definitely come.
16:15And decisions had been made on it.
16:17But the right thing,
16:18the CCI has not come for it.
16:19But I still don't understand,
16:20where is it standing on this issue?
16:22I don't know.
16:23But the main thing about Pakistan's justice system,
16:25we say that in this,
16:27because this is such an issue
16:29which can give a problem to the whole country.
16:32Now the individuality of Pakistan,
16:38it can divide it.
16:40You can already see what is happening in KP,
16:42what is happening in Balochistan,
16:43what is happening in Sindh.
16:44For this, the best way is
16:46that you call the CCI,
16:48there should be discussions.
16:50And I don't understand,
16:51this is such an important issue.
16:53The president has given a speech
16:55a month and a half,
16:56two months ago.
16:57You call it next month,
16:58next week.
16:59What is the problem?
17:00Is there a problem?
17:01There has already been so much delay.
17:03So now you can't do this.
17:05And look,
17:06there are a minimum of three times,
17:07maximum you can call it many times.
17:10But they can't call because
17:12they know that there are problems there.
17:16They have come to the government
17:19without a mandate.
17:22They must have done something.
17:24So you are saying that they don't have a mandate,
17:26that's why they won't call the CCI.
17:28Do you think this issue
17:30can be more serious than this?
17:32Especially because politically,
17:34the People's Party is a constituency in Sindh.
17:36All their opposition parties
17:38are also a constituency in Sindh.
17:40Are you taking this lightly?
17:42Do you think they are forced to sit?
17:44What will they do?
17:45We are not taking it lightly at all.
17:47We shouldn't.
17:48But the thing is that
17:50unfortunately,
17:51we are trying some things
17:53and we will do it in the future too,
17:55that those who are in the interest of Pakistan,
17:58they should deal in a non-political way.
18:01They should not have any political views.
18:04Before that,
18:05I will talk about this.
18:07Although,
18:08I am not using the reference here.
18:10Look at the Kalabagh Dam.
18:12If it had been built,
18:14then maybe Pakistan would have been better.
18:16Maybe a lot of land would have been occupied.
18:19Maybe the need for electricity
18:21which was fulfilled after a long time,
18:23in our time,
18:24our third era,
18:25from 2013 to 2018,
18:26maybe it would have been fulfilled before that.
18:28Or a new province would have been built,
18:29that too would have been in the interest of politics.
18:30Yes, new province,
18:31from the administrative point of view,
18:32that too would have been in the interest of politics.
18:36So, I am not giving a sweeping statement about that.
18:39But I am telling you that
18:40unfortunately,
18:41this has happened in the interest of politics.
18:42And some political parties have made it their slogan,
18:46that our politics,
18:47and especially KP's political parties,
18:50let me name them,
18:51ANP's,
18:52that their political survival,
18:54political slogan,
18:55and all their politics
18:56were based on this slogan at that time.
18:58Okay?
18:59So, we are trying not to go that way.
19:02Yesterday,
19:03Sharjeel Memon was with me,
19:05he is the Minister of Information,
19:07and a spokesperson for you.
19:09He said something very beautiful.
19:10He said,
19:11we are talking about Pakistan.
19:12Whatever is better for the benefit of Pakistan,
19:14that should be there.
19:15And we are definitely not in favour of
19:17one province having the resources of another province,
19:21or its resources,
19:22or its,
19:23its,
19:24its,
19:25its,
19:26its,
19:27its,
19:28its,
19:29its,
19:30its,
19:31its,
19:32its,
19:33its,