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Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain Recalls an Important event on the anniversary of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
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Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain Recalls an Important event on the anniversary of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto
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00:00Asalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, I welcome you to the program.
00:13Today is Friday, April 4, 2025, the day of Jumatul Mubarak.
00:17Dear viewers, today we will talk about the internal differences in Pakistan's justice system.
00:24The struggle within the party is very clear to us.
00:30We will talk about what is happening.
00:32Then we will take you to Karachi.
00:34We will talk about the MQM, the Pakistan People's Party.
00:38What is the People's Party talking about?
00:40Apart from that, dear viewers, the aftershocks of President Trump's trade war are still going on.
00:49China has responded to it today.
00:53Equally, they have imposed a 34% tariff on American goods.
00:57So there is chaos in the world right now.
00:59As you know, the return of Afghan citizens was on 31st March.
01:05Then the holidays came.
01:07So the government is saying that we will send them back.
01:13Are they taking steps?
01:15This will also be part of our program.
01:18But first of all, the issue we are going to talk about today.
01:22Dear viewers, today is the 46th anniversary of the martyrdom of Qaid-e-Awam Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.
01:28In this regard, every year there is a big convention.
01:33Even today, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari will address a convention.
01:38The issue under discussion there is about the new rivers.
01:42What is going on?
01:44What is he going to say?
01:46Sanjay Saadwani will be with us.
01:48But before going to Sanjay Saadwani, dear viewers,
01:52we will take you back in time.
01:59This is not a very old thing.
02:01Very recently, when the decision was made on the issue of rivers,
02:07President Asif Ali Zardari, who is the second president of Pakistan,
02:16he chaired a meeting.
02:18He chaired that meeting.
02:20You can see this.
02:22This is the July 8, 2024 event.
02:24He chaired the meeting.
02:26And during this meeting, the things that were decided,
02:30that these six new rivers will be removed,
02:33the Green Initiative Pakistan project,
02:36the barren land there will be cleared.
02:39And on top of that, President Asif Ali Zardari's clear instructions
02:45that all provinces who want to complete this project,
02:51who need money, should put their share in it.
02:54And the federal government should also allocate.
02:57And this project should be completed as soon as possible.
03:00But after that, we see that this project is a victim of disputes.
03:06Even today, Subo Senator Afnan is related to Pakistan Muslim League Noon.
03:10He was present at Pakistan's air vehicle program, Bakhabar Subo.
03:16He repeated the same thing that we have just shown you a press release
03:19of the President's Department.
03:21The meeting that President Asif Ali Zardari chaired,
03:24Senator Afnan is also referring to the same meeting.
03:27I think the Liberal Party should not politicize it.
03:30This project started with their agreement.
03:33On July 8, 2024, there is a press release of the President's House.
03:38The President issued instructions that all provincial governments
03:42and loyal governments should provide funds for it.
03:45Now if they have expressed their desire that they think
03:48that this project should be shelved,
03:53because it is a coalition government,
03:55they can stop this project.
03:57Of course, in a coalition government,
03:59it is not possible that we do not entertain the people's party.
04:03Because the government cannot function without them.
04:06He referred to the meeting of Syed Murad Ali Shah,
04:09the Chief Minister of Sindh.
04:11On March 29, this year, he referred to this meeting
04:14and said that this meeting was held in a closed room
04:17and there were no such decisions made in it
04:19on which the President of Pakistan had made his signs.
04:22We will talk about that meeting.
04:24That meeting was held in a closed room in front of four people.
04:27He announced it in front of the Parliament, in front of everyone.
04:32So the matter should end there.
04:35The matter of President Zardari should end.
04:37Plus, he himself is saying and I am telling you about his approval.
04:40He has no power.
04:42That matter should end.
04:44And the power that the Pakistan People's Party has right now,
04:49any such project that will be harmful for Sindh cannot be made.
04:54We will express that power only when we understand
04:57that other things are not working.
05:00And since this matter is getting hotter day by day,
05:03today, the CM of Sindh said further in this regard
05:07that the federal government should think,
05:09the Pakistan Muslim League,
05:11that it is established because of us
05:13and if we step aside, then you will fall.
05:16We are not a part of the government in death,
05:18but the government of death is standing because of the People's Party.
05:22If the People's Party leaves the government today,
05:26because the support of the government is not in the government,
05:29and there is a kill.
05:30No other party can be formed.
05:32Either there will be a new election or something else can happen.
05:35And all these things have to be thought about.
05:37Lahore Secretary of State Ghulam Sahin,
05:39Hassan Ayub is with me in the Islamabad studio.
05:41But first, we have Sanjay Sadwani,
05:43our special correspondent is present.
05:46We go to him and know him.
05:50From yesterday to today, Sanjay,
05:52a lot of news is coming that Bilawal Bhutto Zardari Sahib
05:55is going to give a speech today.
05:57Today is the 46th anniversary of the martyrdom of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.
06:02On that occasion, he will address this issue in particular.
06:06And the news is that he is going to take a very tough stance.
06:10As you said, all the leaders of the People's Party are present there.
06:15Because the President of Pakistan has been in isolation since the corona outbreak.
06:20What is the news? Did you speak to any important leader?
06:24Yes, absolutely, Mr. Khawar.
06:26Actually, since the corona outbreak began,
06:29the 4th of April, the anniversary of the martyrdom of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto,
06:32the People's Party has not celebrated it in Larkana for the past 3-4 years.
06:37They used to announce it in Sindh or in the whole of Pakistan.
06:40They used to announce it at the division level.
06:43But this time, there was such a strong pressure on the People's Party in Sindh
06:48that the People's Party had no other way to mobilize the people in this way
06:53or to go to the people in this way.
06:55So, on the occasion of 4th April, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari himself
06:58participated in the Parliamentary Party, People's Party and People's Party Sindh Council.
07:02He told all the people that this time, more people have to come on 4th April than on 27th December.
07:09And on 4th April, we will announce our action regarding the canals.
07:14Bilawal himself has announced that he will tell the government of Wafaa
07:18about his stance regarding the canals.
07:20If you do not take the steps of the government of Wafaa
07:24after the notification is issued in the supervision period,
07:28we will end our obedience to the government.
07:30You can pay attention to this.
07:32Regarding today's speech, it is being said that it will be tough.
07:35There are some references to this as well.
07:37All the workers were instructed by Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
07:42to reach Larkana.
07:43And all the leaders of the party were told
07:46to come to Larkana with a large number of Jialas.
07:49Today, if Bilawal Bhutto Zardari does not clarify his party's position regarding the canals,
07:56then he will have to face a lot of pressure from the public in Sindh.
08:01Right now, in every village of Sindh, there are protests against the canals.
08:07A bigger protest than this could be that people have offered Eid prayers.
08:11After that, in all the mosques, the sermons that took place
08:14or after the Eid prayers, the worshippers there
08:17have raised slogans against the canals.
08:20So right now, the position of Pakistan People's Party in Sindh is extremely bad.
08:24People are extremely sad and angry.
08:27The people of Sindh think that the People's Party has made a deal with them.
08:31The people of Sindh think that Asif Ali Zardari
08:34sat in Ahwan-e-Sadr and first approved these canals.
08:38After that, when the People's Party had to face a lot of pressure,
08:41a lot of pressure from the public,
08:43then the People's Party withdrew from its position
08:46and said, no, we are with the people of Sindh.
08:49You mentioned an example of that.
08:51On 24th July, the meeting that took place in Ahwan-e-Sadr,
08:54where Sadr Zardari approved the canals,
08:57after that, the minutes were leaked.
08:59The People's Party's position is that Sadr cannot approve any scheme.
09:03Sadr does not have executive authority.
09:06But the minutes that were leaked,
09:09it clearly states that they have given approval.
09:12Sanjay Sadhwani, please stay with us.
09:14We will come to you again.
09:16You are one of the founding members of the Pakistan People's Party.
09:21I cannot say that you are the leader,
09:23but the founding leader of the Pakistan People's Party,
09:26who is known as the leader of the people,
09:29Shaheed Zulfiqar Al Bhutto's son,
09:31you want to comment on his life as a politician,
09:35his legacy over the decades,
09:38which is still intact.
09:41The Pakistan People's Party claims that Bhutto is still alive.
09:44Along with that, there is a lot of pressure on the canals issue.
09:48The Pakistan People's Party is being mocked,
09:51that they have sold off Sindh.
09:54For Sindh, the water of the river Sindh is more important than our city.
09:59Why did the Pakistan People's Party let this decision be made so easily?
10:03This is also a question, but first of all, the legacy of the leader.
10:09Look, Zulfiqar Al Bhutto,
10:12he brought about a change in the politics of Pakistan.
10:19At least in this part of Pakistan, which used to be West Pakistan.
10:24In East Pakistan, there were other powers,
10:27like Maulana Bahshani, Mujeeb Urman,
10:30and many other groups.
10:32But here, if he brought about a revolutionary change,
10:37you may remember,
10:42that in Punjab, Sindh, and even Balochistan,
10:46the situation was even worse.
10:48The poor people, the landless,
10:51the farmers, or the shrines,
10:55they could not come to the landlord and sit with him on a chair.
11:02They could not even sit on a chair,
11:04they were forced to sit on their feet.
11:07It was Zulfiqar Al Bhutto,
11:09who did this social emancipation,
11:12that the poor became equal to the rich,
11:18and he became a voice for the poor,
11:22and he fought for the workers and the farmers.
11:27And in 1970, he gave them a majority vote.
11:32First of all,
11:34he crushed the people,
11:38who were 100% against the teachings of Islam.
11:44And the whole atmosphere changed.
11:49Secondly, when he formed the government,
11:52he did three big things.
11:55First of all,
11:57he liberalized the passport and immigration policy.
12:01Even though Abdul Qayyum Khan was the Minister of Internal Affairs,
12:05he took more initiative,
12:07but the government was Zulfiqar Al Bhutto's.
12:10He used to get a passport,
12:13as if it was a marriage proposal,
12:18or something extremely impossible.
12:22He used to get a test station,
12:24get a report,
12:26and so on.
12:28This made a big difference in the Middle East,
12:32and jobs were created.
12:34And many Pakistanis got a chance to get a passport.
12:38These people still remember,
12:40the first time the EU was opened.
12:42Yes, they remember.
12:44Secondly,
12:46Zulfiqar Al Bhutto initiated the nuclear program.
12:51When Pakistan reached 200,000 in 1971,
12:54he went there today,
12:56he went there yesterday.
12:58In 1974, India exploded.
13:02So Zulfiqar Al Bhutto,
13:04he said that we will eat gas,
13:06but we will make an atom bomb.
13:08He made an atom bomb in Zulfiqar Ziaullah's time.
13:11But anyway, this credit goes to him.
13:14So, this is the second thing.
13:17And the third thing,
13:19he tried to make a lot of reforms,
13:21but they are controversial.
13:23But after that,
13:25the party that is still alive,
13:27it is because of their services.
13:29But the party,
13:31to end poverty,
13:33to get the people out of poverty,
13:36the kind of efforts that are expected from them,
13:38I think they have failed badly in that.
13:41But the actions that Zulfiqar Al Bhutto did,
13:44will be remembered by the rest of the world.
13:47Then there was a sedition of the Qadianis,
13:50that was also declared non-Muslim in his time.
13:55So, many are because of them.
13:57But the real problem is that
14:00many things that they should have done,
14:03like the victory of the landlords,
14:08or the two-time famine of the poor in Pakistan,
14:15they didn't pay much attention to that,
14:17neither at that time nor today.
14:19So, I would say,
14:21the balance is in favour of Zulfiqar Al Bhutto,
14:25to the extent he did marvellous and exceptional good.
14:30Absolutely right, Mr. Chaudhary.
14:31I will come back to the issue of rivers.
14:33Hassan Ayub,
14:35there is a lot of pressure on the Pakistan People's Party.
14:38There is a question that is being raised continuously,
14:41that the current government is calling for a meeting of the Council of Common Interests,
14:44it has been a year and they are calling for it.
14:46What do you think,
14:47how serious can this issue be?
14:49By the way, tonight,
14:50Zulfiqar Al Bhutto is going to give a speech on this issue.
14:53What do you think?
14:55Is this a storm in a teacup?
14:57Or do you think that in the coming days,
15:00this issue is going to be a very serious issue between the two parties?
15:04If I answer your question first,
15:06or I would like to ask a question to Mr. Chaudhary Gulam Hussain.
15:09I have a question in my mind,
15:10because I met a lot of people,
15:12I met a lot of elders,
15:13on this occasion of Eid.
15:15So, Mr. Chaudhary used to ask a big question.
15:17I mean,
15:18our,
15:19if you understand,
15:21the people who were in-charge of JAT,
15:23they were quite old,
15:25they were about 75-80 years old.
15:27They say that,
15:29the agricultural reforms that have taken place,
15:31there were supposed to be agricultural reforms in the country,
15:34but only the big officials of Punjab were affected.
15:38In Sindh,
15:39the big officials were not affected at all,
15:41and there they again,
15:43made the people's names,
15:45made their names on the land again.
15:46And all this happened with a lot of enthusiasm.
15:48Is it correct?
15:49Is there such a thing?
15:50I have asked Mr. Chaudhary.
15:52No, there was no special effect.
15:53No, the land reforms that were to be done,
15:55No, that was a failure.
15:57But they say,
15:58that it was affected in Punjab.
15:59There is a little,
16:00a lot.
16:01It is still the same.
16:02There are a lot of incidents in those books,
16:04where people were distributing their land to their families.
16:06But that was not done like that.
16:08They made their names be transferred again.
16:10Yes, exactly.
16:11Somehow,
16:12it was like that.
16:13Okay,
16:14on this matter,
16:15the first thing is that,
16:16this is correct,
16:17that,
16:18as Mr. Murad Ali Shah is also saying,
16:20that without the support of the People's Party,
16:22the government of loyalty will not be established.
16:24The numbers are clear.
16:25So,
16:26if the government of loyalty falls,
16:27then what will happen?
16:28The government of Punjab will remain.
16:29The government of Sindh will also remain.
16:30The government of Balochistan will also remain.
16:32And,
16:33if they want to end the coalition there too,
16:34then it is possible.
16:35But,
16:36there,
16:37no government will be formed.
16:38Then,
16:39you know,
16:40that in a few days,
16:41those things change.
16:42Then,
16:43whose government will be formed?
16:44The person,
16:45who will be stronger,
16:46will take over the government there.
16:47As far as KPK is concerned,
16:48there is a two-third majority with the PTA.
16:49So,
16:50that government is not at risk.
16:51Until and unless,
16:52the PTA does its own adventure.
16:53Then,
16:54again,
16:55the National Assembly elections will take place.
16:56This will be the maximum.
16:57So,
16:58what difference will it make,
16:59if the National Assembly elections take place again?
17:00If I understand correctly,
17:01Hassan Ayyub,
17:02you are saying that,
17:03if,
17:04with the current arrangements,
17:05on the level of loyalty,
17:06the People's Party leaves,
17:07then there will be no difference.
17:08So,
17:09there will be a difference.
17:10There will be a difference for the government of loyalty.
17:11But,
17:12again,
17:13the Prime Minister of KTK will come.
17:14Then,
17:15after the Prime Minister of KTK,
17:16the elections will take place.
17:17After the elections,
17:18the Chief Minister,
17:19Mariam Nawaz,
17:20will remain.
17:21Ali Meen Gandapur will remain.
17:22Murad Ali Shah will remain.
17:23Sarfaraz Gul will remain.
17:24This has never happened in Pakistan.
17:25So,
17:26the Pakistani delegate
17:27tried to get the elections
17:28held in two different provinces.
17:29But,
17:30if this happens again,
17:31then,
17:32I am telling you,
17:33it will not be a problem.
17:34These things will be in place.
17:35This is one thing.
17:36The second thing,
17:37the next thing you are saying is,
17:38what are the circumstances?
17:39This is not the main thing.
17:40I will start with the worst.
17:41Now,
17:42I will come to the current situation.
17:43So,
17:44in the current situation,
17:45Ravi Chanichand is writing,
17:46regarding the Narasimha,
17:47there will not be a big issue
17:48between the People's Party
17:49and Muslim League Nawaz.
17:50They will remain.
17:51They will remain.
17:52They will remain.
17:53They will remain.
17:54They will remain.
17:55They will remain
17:56as a coalition partner
17:57in the federal government.
17:58So,
17:59the friendship is fixed.
18:00Yes.
18:01The friendship is fixed.
18:02Yes.
18:03The common friend is fixed.
18:04The common friend is fixed.
18:05Sanjay Sahib,
18:06now,
18:07we are talking about the speech.
18:08Today,
18:09Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
18:10is going to give a speech.
18:11The speech will be very strict.
18:12Some people have the opinion
18:13that,
18:14this is being criticized
18:15by the Pakistan People's Party,
18:16that the People's Party
18:17is a victim of a double policy.
18:18Especially,
18:19the MQM people
18:20are criticizing
18:21this a lot.
18:22They are criticizing
18:23that
18:24the People's Party
18:25always does this.
18:26They show something
18:27and do something.
18:28Listen to what
18:29they are saying.
18:30Regarding the distribution
18:31of water,
18:32there is definitely
18:33a big issue
18:34or dispute
18:35in Pakistan.
18:36The Pakistan People's Party
18:37and the Sindh government
18:38have also
18:39adopted
18:40two sides
18:41in this.
18:42One side
18:43of the People's Party
18:44is fully
18:45supporting
18:46this plan.
18:47The President
18:48has signed
18:49a summary
18:50and has held
18:51six meetings
18:52in this regard.
18:53The first meeting
18:54was held
18:55in the President's
18:56House.
18:57The second meeting
18:58was held
18:59under the pressure
19:00of the Sindh people
19:01and they are
19:02talking about them.
19:03So, Sanjay Sadwani,
19:04you have travelled
19:05late at night
19:06with a lot of difficulty.
19:07So, tell us
19:08what points
19:09you can warn
19:10or threaten
19:11in your speech
19:12or give a deadline
19:13that if this
19:14plan does not
19:15return,
19:16then we will
19:17leave the government.
19:18Did you talk
19:19to anyone?
19:20Did you receive any
19:21news?
19:22Absolutely.
19:23The people's
19:24party's
19:25sources
19:26say that
19:27Bilawal Bhutto
19:28will announce
19:29that if you
19:30do not
19:31return the
19:32notification
19:33and the
19:34water
19:35certification
19:36is not
19:37returned
19:38then we
19:39will
19:40end
19:41your
19:42loyalty
19:43to us.
19:44The people's
19:45party
19:46can give
19:47threats
19:48but in
19:49the last
19:5017 years
19:51the people's
19:52party
19:53has
19:54not
19:55left
19:56any
19:57option
19:58except
19:59to
20:00return the
20:01permission
20:02given
20:03to the
20:04canals.
20:05The people's
20:06party's
20:07MPs
20:08keep
20:09saying
20:10that
20:11we
20:12cannot
20:13go to
20:14our
20:15homes.
20:16If we
20:17go to
20:18our homes
20:19on Eid
20:20we
20:21will
20:22be
20:23held
20:24in
20:25the
20:26canals.
20:27Sindh
20:28people
20:29are very
20:30strict
20:31when it
20:32comes to
20:33water.
20:34They
20:35are not
20:36willing
20:37to
20:38compromise
20:39on
20:40any
20:41type
20:42of
20:43dealings.
20:44The people's
20:45party
20:46has
20:47a strong
20:48opinion
20:49We did not give approval, President Dardari did not give approval.
20:52We will not allow the canal to be built in the presence of Bilawal
20:55until the People's Party does not negotiate the rights of Sindh.
20:58But they are only able to give clarifications.
21:01Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Singh, now for Sindh, it is the matter of Sindh's water.
21:05One argument that is being presented is that the water is Punjab's own.
21:11If in our areas, especially in the monsoon season,
21:16the water is diverted to the barren lands, especially the area of Cholistan,
21:21if it is polluted, then Sindh should not have any objection to it.
21:25So, of course, there can be a technical issue on this.
21:28This political issue is becoming more and more.
21:31Pakistan People's Party, as Sanjay sir is saying, is under a lot of pressure.
21:37If the issue is so easy that only Punjab is using its own water
21:41and the People's Party is unnecessarily under pressure in Sindh,
21:45then they should not be under pressure.
21:48Then they should not talk about the People's Party at all.
21:51I will come to you. I am talking about Mr. Chaudhary and then I will come to you.
21:55So, Mr. Chaudhary, what do you think?
21:57The People's Party, as the MKM people are saying,
22:01that the Pakistan People's Party is just showing two faces.
22:06They are agreeing on the top level, where there is a meeting,
22:09but below, in front of the people, they say, we are in front of you, we are with you.
22:13Mr. Chaudhary.
22:14No, it is very easy to put the blame of two faces on others.
22:19Who else is working with one face?
22:22Someone who has a head and feet.
22:25The rest is left.
22:26The water of the rivers, in fact, the water system, Dera Ismail Khan,
22:32that he is in the area of DG Khan and in the areas adjacent to Boroistan,
22:37he thought that by collecting that water, they should be given a river-like shape
22:42and that water should be used for irrigation.
22:45That is one thing.
22:47But first, you have done a lot of injustice,
22:49you have made a dispute with the country,
22:52a dam that was in everyone's interest,
22:55that water will go away, that Nishera will drown,
22:58that will happen, that will happen, that will happen.
23:01You are one after the other,
23:03I think we should give our services to other countries as well.
23:10There is no one more expert than us.
23:12You are right.
23:13When you spoke once,
23:16all the experiences and the difficulties that Asif Ali Zardari,
23:22whether we like it or we don't like it,
23:24he tolerated it.
23:25Very few people have seen it.
23:27So if he said to make it,
23:30so what is the problem now that he refused it?
23:33Why don't you get that notification out, Khawater?
23:36Mr. Chaudhary, I showed you the notification in the beginning.
23:38Yes, make a quick comment.
23:39We have to go towards the break.
23:40Sanjay, tell us the government's point of view.
23:44Your personal opinion,
23:45the residents of Sindh,
23:47what is their personal opinion?
23:49They are giving an observation.
23:51The government's opinion,
23:53or the opinion of the people,
23:55two canals have to be built in Sindh.
23:58The people of Sindh are saying,
23:59we don't even accept that canal.
24:01The second government's position is that
24:03it is being said that we will only take fillet water for three months,
24:07we will not take the rest of the water.
24:08But this is also the opinion of the government.
24:10Subahi Wazir, who is the son of Jam Khan,
24:12he has fought a very good case of Sindh,
24:14where the issue of water is involved.
24:17He has said that if you are making this canal like this,
24:20where do you have the water resource?
24:22Whatever dams were built in the past 20-22 years,
24:25they have never been able to fill up for 2-4 days.
24:30So if you are making this new canal,
24:32then there will be a lot of destruction in Sindh.
24:36The people's party is also worried about this.
24:40And the people of Sindh are also worried about this.
24:42Thank you very much, Sanjay Sadwani.
24:44Your opinion came in front of us.
24:46The people's party in Sindh is a government.
24:48Viewers, the issue of water is sensitive.
24:51There should be a consensus on this.
24:53The article of AIM, the Council of Common Interest,
24:56which deals with this,
24:57it is very clear that there should be a meeting within 90 days.
24:59You should call the Prime Minister of the Council of Common Interest.
25:02All the representatives of all provinces should sit there
25:05and find a solution to this.
25:07Instead of saying that it is a good thing,
25:10which is being said to be a very good thing,
25:12this issue of the canal should be worked on.
25:14If there is a problem there, then it should be solved.
25:17We will go to the break.
25:18And after the break, we will talk about
25:20the current situation at the international level.
25:23Dr. Qamar Cheema is with us.
25:29Welcome back, viewers.
25:30In India, the Modi government has passed a very controversial law.
25:34It has passed this law on the lost property of Muslims.
25:42There are about 872,000 different lost properties in the country.
25:52The government is taking this law into its own hands.
25:58There is a lot of crisis in India.
26:01The BJP has passed this law through the Raj Sabha and Lok Sabha.
26:07The Congress and other minorities have been
26:14surrounding this law as a black day in Indian secularism.
26:20Dr. Qamar Cheema is with us.
26:22Let's go to him and find out
26:24how much of a black spot this is on the face of Indian secularism.
26:30The Indian constitution is secular.
26:33All Indians have equal rights.
26:40Thank you very much, doctor.
26:42Since the BJP has come into power,
26:45they have been following such policies
26:50that they are converting Indian secularism into Hinduism.
26:58How big of an impact do you think this law will have on the Indian state?
27:06Thank you very much.
27:09You are absolutely right.
27:11This is not secularism.
27:13This is Hindu majoritarianism.
27:15This is not the first law.
27:17In 2019, they banned triple talaq.
27:21They criminalized instant triple talaq.
27:27Muslims were very upset about this.
27:30Anti-conversion laws were passed in UP.
27:42In Karnataka, hijab was banned.
27:47I can give you a lot of examples.
27:51The law on citizenship was passed.
27:55Non-Hindus were allowed to have citizenship except Muslims.
28:00Yes, absolutely.
28:02They know that mosques and dargahs
28:09are controlled by Muslims.
28:13This control should be reduced.
28:15As you said in the intro,
28:17this is a big country.
28:19They are digitalizing.
28:23They are trying to secure you.
28:28Hindu governments in UP and other areas
28:34think that this is an Arabic word.
28:40We are a Hindu society.
28:42We do not know this.
28:44We will pass the laws of our choice.
28:47They are taking support from Muslim organizations.
28:52They have a lot of votes.
28:55They can pass laws.
28:57Recently, the US Department of State
29:02talked about religious freedom.
29:05They talked about India.
29:07How religious freedom was compromised.
29:10India said that this is an entity of concern.
29:16Why is it interfering in India's affairs?
29:19These laws are Hindu majoritarianism.
29:24Modi is sidelining Muslims in his politics.
29:28He is writing a new history.
29:31He wants to bring India's identity.
29:34All the symbols of history are being removed.
29:38Mughal and British Iraqis say this is a Hindu land.
29:42In the Waqf bill,
29:46they want to stop encroachers.
29:52They want to digitize the record.
29:55They want to take leasing for 30 years.
29:59They want to put penalties on those who encroach.
30:03This is what they are saying.
30:05The purpose of this law is
30:08to put a Hindu imprint on India.
30:11When they are making a board,
30:15they are including non-Muslims.
30:17There can be two members.
30:19The deputy commissioner will be looking into this.
30:24Whether he is a Muslim, Hindu, Sikh or Christian.
30:27This is a place for Muslims.
30:32If religious tourism is coming to India,
30:36it will have a revenue.
30:38They want to put that revenue in their pockets.
30:41The property worth billions of rupees,
30:45they want to take control of that property.
30:48They want to lease it out.
30:50They want to put billions of rupees in their pockets.
30:55I was watching a big story.
30:58The dargahs and different centres,
31:04they are charitable institutions.
31:06There are thousands of people who benefit.
31:09They have a livelihood.
31:11They want to stop that too.
31:13What about Indian secularism?
31:17Khawar, I want an answer to this question.
31:21What do Muslims want?
31:23I have seen Muslims in Chandigarh.
31:30They were even crying.
31:34They were crying that they are being treated unjustly.
31:37Do you have any information about this?
31:39What is the response of Indian Muslims?
31:43There is a big voice from Hyderabad.
31:46They are talking about it.
31:48There is another Muslim MP from Iqra Chowdhury.
31:53She is also talking about it.
31:55You know that this is a challenge for Muslims too.
32:01Religious political parties are against dargahs.
32:05She has brought some religious parties with her.
32:08They are encroaching.
32:12Some political parties are talking about it.
32:15They are discussing it.
32:17They are changing the constitution of India.
32:21They are in the majority.
32:23They should not do it.
32:25They have a moral argument.
32:27They can do whatever they want legally.
32:29You are right.
32:31There is another big story.
32:34China has imposed 34% tariffs on American goods.
32:40There is no country where there is no export.
32:45Americans have imposed tariffs on them too.
32:49Will America be able to sustain it?
32:52American media is discussing it.
32:56The stock exchange of NASDAQ and Dow Jones has gone down.
33:02The stock exchange is reacting after yesterday's decision.
33:07Do you think that Americans will review it?
33:12Or do you think that Trump will go ahead with the tariffs?
33:20The Trump administration is using a trump card to bring people to the table.
33:30They want to make a deal with us.
33:34They want to reduce our trade deficit.
33:37We are feeding the world.
33:39There is an import of 3 trillion dollars in America.
33:43They want to stop the dollar from coming from America.
33:47They want to sit at the table with us.
33:50The rest of the world, whether it is the European Union or Australia,
33:53they are not imposing any more tariffs.
33:55Canada has tried to impose tariffs.
33:57You know that Trump is a businessman.
34:00He is talking in the same way.
34:02In America, there was a term called friendsharing.
34:06That is, taking business out of China and taking it to India, Vietnam and the Southeast Asian countries.
34:13Because labor is cheap and the cost of production is low.
34:16Trump has convinced people to set up factories in America.
34:20For example, in India, there is a large number of Apple phones.
34:24Mr. Seema, what have you convinced people?
34:26All of them have been destroyed.
34:283 trillion dollars have flown to people.
34:30That will happen.
34:34Trump's problem is that he has 24 months.
34:37After that, elections will be held again.
34:39He wants to use his power to the maximum.
34:41But the American courts are also intervening in many places.
34:45But if you look at this issue, especially the tariff issue,
34:49the world is certainly upset.
34:51Indian and American businessmen are also upset.
34:54The international community is also upset.
34:56But they don't care about anyone.
34:58They think that they have to set up an industry domestically.
35:02They have to do reshoring again.
35:04They have to force people to invest here.
35:07Saudi Arabia has been told to invest a trillion dollars in America.
35:10They have brought their business model.
35:14You are right that the stock market will fall.
35:17The reason is that the world's businesses are talking about de-globalization.
35:22First there was globalization.
35:24Now the world itself is upset.
35:26Trump's policy of economic protectionism is becoming an issue everywhere.
35:31But the question arises that the world has no choice.
35:34Still, America is such a big wire in the world.
35:37The world is sitting at the table.
35:39Hassan, what do you think?
35:41Will Trump stay in power?
35:43I have heard that Trump can change.
35:45I don't think he will change.
35:47This is his second term.
35:49He has no responsibility to fight the election.
35:52President Trump will remain firm on his manifesto.
36:01Obviously, his objective is to strengthen American businessmen.
36:09He wants to revive the American industry.
36:12He wants to improve American agriculture.
36:17He wants to make America great again.
36:21He says it was a greater America before.
36:24But we don't want to make it greater.
36:26We want to make it greater again.
36:28How will you make it greater?
36:30Another big development has taken place in our region.
36:35There are openings between Iranians and Saudis.
36:38Today, there was a direct contact between the MBS president and the Iranian president.
36:44Messages were exchanged about Eid.
36:48How do you see this opening?
36:50Do you think there will be stabilization in the Middle East?
36:53Will the weight of the Muslim Ummah increase?
36:57China had a diplomatic rapprochement between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
37:07I think the Americans want to talk to Iran.
37:11Trump has written a letter and the Iranians have responded.
37:16They want to use Saudi Arabia.
37:20The direct talks between Russia and the United States have also taken place in Saudi Arabia.
37:25Trump's talks with the Iranian government will also take place in Saudi Arabia.
37:32This is a possibility.
37:34Do you remember the joint comprehensive plan of action in the last administration?
37:39P5 plus 1, Europe and Germany.
37:42P5 plus 1 and Germany had a dialogue with Iran and withdrew from America.
37:47Trump wants to have a dialogue with Iran.
37:49There are 6 B-2 bombers in the United States.
37:5430% of the US Air Force is in the Indian Ocean.
37:58They have brought it to the island of Diago Garcia.
38:01They brought it last week.
38:03They have brought it to intimidate Iran.
38:07If they don't have a dialogue with us,
38:11We will use the 6 B-2 bombers of the US Air Force in Diago Garcia.
38:1630% of the US Air Force is a stealth bomber fleet.
38:19We will use it.
38:21Trump's policy is hardball diplomacy.
38:24First, I have set up a bomber and I want to talk to you.
38:28If you don't talk, we can use this bomber on you.
38:32They will use Saudi Arabia.
38:34Iran has already weakened its proxy in the Middle East.
38:38This is an interesting time.
38:40Let's hope for the good.
38:42Let's hope the situation doesn't get worse.
38:44Let's hope the situation gets better.
38:46Thank you very much for your time.
38:48After the break, we will talk about the differences between Pakistan and Turkey.
38:52There is a new issue there.
38:54The committee has said that there are allegations of corruption against the former minister.
38:59What is the matter with Mr. Jagra?
39:01How serious is it?
39:03Why is this tension increasing day by day?
39:05Stay with us.
39:07Welcome back.
39:09There is a government PTI in Peshawar.
39:12Mr. Ali Mir Gandapur is representing it.
39:16There is a party group.
39:20Mr. Taimur Saleem Jagra was supposed to go to the finance ministry.
39:27But his own committee has raised some questions.
39:35Mr. Peshawar Zia ul Haq is with us.
39:39What is this conspiracy?
39:42What is this story?
39:44Who is against whom?
39:46On a daily basis, there is tension.
39:51At the end, there is a lot of noise.
39:54What is going on?