Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA) leads a press briefing on a resolution that would undo President Trump's tariffs on Canada and prevent him from using emergency declaration to impose tariffs.
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00:00In Canadian tariffs in particular, what will they end up taxing?
00:04They'll tax groceries and food products.
00:06They'll tax building supplies at a time when home prices are too high already.
00:11They will tax fertilizer to our farmers.
00:14About 80% of the potash that is used by our farmers for fertilizer comes from Canada.
00:19They will tax our national security industries.
00:2235% of the aluminum and steel that go into the ships and subs that we build in this country come from Canada.
00:28We're already having a hard time producing ships and subs on budget.
00:32This will make it worse.
00:34President Trump is saying that there is an emergency with Canada.
00:38Canada is a friend, not an adversary.
00:40Canada is a sovereign nation, not a 51st state.
00:44And while we always have challenges with friends,
00:48we have a mechanism that Donald Trump negotiated, the USMCA,
00:51that enables us to work through trade deals.
00:53And we don't need tariffs at all.
00:55The President has justified the imposition of these tariffs on, in my view, a made-up emergency.
01:01Fentanyl is a real emergency in this country.
01:04Let's be clear about that.
01:05Fentanyl is a real emergency.
01:07But as President Trump's National Security Advisor, Tulsi Gabbard,
01:12testified before Mark's Intel Committee last week,
01:15the fentanyl emergency is for Mexico and China.
01:19It's not from Canada.
01:20She presented a threat assessment that had nothing about Canada as a threat,
01:24that had nothing about Canada as a fentanyl threat.
01:2721,000 pounds of fentanyl interdicted for Mexico coming into the United States last year,
01:32a maximum of 43 pounds from Canada.
01:35They're actually digging into that number and finding it's probably dramatically less even than that.
01:40So why invent this emergency?
01:44The emergency is being invented to do the tariffs, to do the taxes on everyday Americans.
01:51Why?
01:52So they can use the tariff revenue to give a tax cut to billionaires.
01:55You saw the Trump tax cut in Term 1.
01:58They did it off deficit financing.
02:00They don't want to deficit finance it again.
02:02They want to pay for it.
02:03How are they going to pay for it?
02:05Massive cuts to programs like Medicaid and Medicare
02:07and tariffs imposed on the backs of everyday Americans.
02:11They'll put that together and then that will be the pay-for for this tax cut bill that we see coming.
02:15We need to stand strong against a tax increase,
02:19the largest tax increase in American history on our consumers.
02:23We need to stand strong for a strong relationship with a good ally, Canada,
02:27and that's why I'm really, really excited we have this vote coming up.
02:30It's going to be close.
02:31Again, it's likely to slip from today into tomorrow,
02:34but we feel really good about stakeholders like AFL-CIO, steel workers, machinists,
02:39and we think we're going to have some industry groups coming out today also in support of our legislation.
02:44With that, I'm really happy to be here with our leader on the Democratic side
02:47who's been really strong in pushing this.
02:49Please welcome a guy with his own border with Canada, New Yorker Chuck Schumer.
02:55Thank you very much, Tim.
02:56And first, let me thank Tim and his co-sponsors, Amy and Mark.
03:01Tim has done an amazing job here.
03:03He has been persistent.
03:04He has been focused.
03:05He knew how important this was even a month or two ago before we saw the menace of all these tariffs.
03:12So Tim deserves a lot of credit from Virginians and from Americans
03:17for getting this issue to the point where we now will have a vote on it.
03:21And the Republicans are squirming because they know very simply that tariffs are simply a tax increase.
03:28Let's listen to Senator Mullen.
03:30He said tariffs is a tax and it will be passed on to consumers.
03:34Rand Paul said tariffs are simply a tax.
03:37And here's the most galling thing.
03:39President Trump says, quote, I couldn't care less if prices go up to American families.
03:45America, you hear that?
03:47Donald Trump says he couldn't care less if you pay more.
03:52And it's not just a little.
03:54The estimates go as high as $6,500 more for the average American family.
04:00To the family that's sitting down Friday night and trying to figure out,
04:03do they have enough money to go on that vacation or to visit grandma
04:07or maybe to buy a car.
04:10Take away $6,500 and those dreams are out the window.
04:14And Trump couldn't care less?
04:16Give me a break.
04:18Give me a break.
04:20And so many jobs will be lost.
04:23In New York alone, we estimate that over 200,000 jobs could be lost.
04:27We have the Canadian border.
04:29In a city called Plattsburgh on the northern border in Clinton County,
04:3420% of the companies are Canadian-owned or Canadian-affiliated.
04:38Plattsburgh will just go into deep recession if this happens.
04:43So we're not going to let, we're going to do everything we can to fight.
04:46And oh, the most galling thing of all, why is he doing this?
04:50As Tim outlined, it's not fentanyl.
04:52You know, they always make up an excuse
04:55because they have no justification for what they're really doing.
04:58In this case, they say fentanyl.
05:01The amount of fentanyl that comes over the Canadian border is minuscule.
05:05They're doing it so they raise revenue,
05:07so they can give tax cuts to the billionaires like everything else.
05:11The whole government is geared,
05:13whether it's Social Security or Medicaid or Medicare or housing or agriculture,
05:19the whole government is geared to create dollars
05:25that can give tax breaks to the billionaires.
05:27And one final thing.
05:29Yes, are there certain areas where tariffs might be needed?
05:32Yes, it should be pinpointed in specific areas.
05:35But typical of this administration,
05:37they use a blunderbuss instead of a scalpel.
05:41They use a hatchet instead of a scalpel.
05:43Chainsaw.
05:44They use a chainsaw instead of a scalpel.
05:47Thank you, Tim.
05:49And they just go after everything
05:52with huge destruction for the American people.
05:54You know, I've been a China hawk.
05:56And the kind of sort of imposing broad tariffs on China,
06:01which really has hurt us in trade every step of the way, makes sense.
06:05To do that to Canada, our friend,
06:07who our economies, our interrelated economies depend on each other,
06:11makes no sense whatsoever.
06:13But this administration makes no sense when it comes to tariffs.
06:16One final point.
06:17I've talked to New York business people.
06:19They hate uncertainty,
06:20whether you're a small business person
06:22or a middle-sized business person
06:24or a big business person.
06:26And the tariffs are so uncertain, so chaotic, such a mess,
06:30that business people are pulling back.
06:32So are consumers.
06:33They're saying, I don't know what's going to happen.
06:35I better not spend on that extra plant
06:37or hiring that extra worker.
06:39So this is just a nightmare for the American economy,
06:43a nightmare for the American worker,
06:45a nightmare for American businesses.
06:47We're going to fight it every step of the way.
06:49Thank you, Tim.
06:51And now my cosponsor on this from Minnesota,
06:53another great border state, Amy Klobuchar.
06:57Thank you, Tim.
06:58This is a big moment,
07:00because this resolution really sets a line in the sand.
07:04And it says you cannot abuse your emergency powers
07:09to start an unjustified trade war.
07:11You cannot abuse your emergency powers,
07:15President of the United States,
07:17to hurt the relationship,
07:19one of the finest relationships in the world,
07:21the relationship between the United States of America and Canada.
07:26And you cannot drive up prices and risk jobs
07:30and put in place a national sales tax,
07:33when you look at all the tariffs together, not just Canada,
07:36now predicted by experts to be at about $5,000 a year
07:41for the average family in America.
07:45So I first come at this as a Minnesotan,
07:48yes, a border state with all respect to Virginia.
07:51We can see Canada from our porch.
07:54And for us, Canada is our number one trading partner.
07:58In the state of Minnesota, it actually eclipses number two,
08:02number three, and number four combined.
08:04That's how much work we do.
08:06We are the fourth biggest exporting state for agriculture in the country.
08:10And so this is a major hit for northern tier states.
08:14I'm not surprised at all that Susan Collins has joined you
08:17in supporting this, Senator Kaine,
08:19because for northern states, this is a huge deal.
08:22Secondly, I come at it as the chair of the
08:25Canadian-American Interparliamentary Group,
08:28go to Canada a lot, remember well that it was Canada,
08:31the Canadian embassy, that had the words draped on their banner,
08:35in front of their embassy, friend, ally, partner,
08:38the only one when times were tough for America
08:41and the respect that other countries had for us.
08:43They have been our ally through times good and bad.
08:46They are the ones that when 9-11 happened,
08:49when our trade center went down,
08:51it was Canada that was the first country showing up at our side,
08:55being there, volunteering, helping out.
08:57This is a long-standing friendship
08:59and an incredible trade relationship.
09:02Part of our supply chain,
09:04as we looked at how we picked up after the pandemic,
09:07that was such an important part of picking up our industry again
09:10and how disruptive this will be.
09:12Third thing is as ranking member on the Agriculture Committee,
09:16I see what this will do to us,
09:18how it adds to the cost of planting an acre of corn,
09:22an acre of soybeans,
09:24because as Tim mentioned, the fertilizer issues,
09:27all of the trade and supply chains we have back and forth.
09:30I was a strong supporter and am a strong supporter of the USMCA.
09:34I was the first one, I remember one debate stage in the presidential election
09:38that was the first one to say I support it
09:40because I could see the benefits.
09:42It wasn't perfect, but I could see the benefits.
09:44That is the place where Donald Trump should be negotiating.
09:47His own trade agreement,
09:49whatever changes he wants to make
09:51with our relationships with Canada and Mexico.
09:54So I'm proud to be one of the original sponsors of this
09:57very important resolution.
09:59I love that we're picking up support.
10:01Tariffs as a whole,
10:03you literally read the words of Mitch McConnell
10:05and you word the words of Chuck Schumer
10:07when it comes to tariffs, they're nearly identical.
10:09That is unique.
10:11You look at the fact that the Chamber of Commerce
10:13has been out opposing the tariffs as a whole.
10:15I'm not talking about specific measures,
10:18but the tariffs as a whole,
10:19that the steel workers have been out there,
10:21that the home builders have been out there
10:23because of the cost of lumber.
10:25This is across the board, across the country,
10:28a national sales tax on Americans.
10:31And this is the moment to take a stand
10:33and stand our ground with the power of Congress.
10:37And now, Senator Warner, as you know,
10:39Senator is on the Banking and Housing Committee,
10:41knows something about the housing cost effect of this.
10:44He's on the Finance Committee, which works on trade issues.
10:48And then he's the lead Democrat on Intel.
10:50And Canada's been one of the stellar partners
10:53we've had for a very, very long time on Intel matters.
10:55Senator Mark Warner.
10:57Thank you, Tim, and I'm proud to join you and Amy.
11:01Amy, you may have the ability to look at Canada
11:03from your third floor window.
11:06My mom's parents were Canadian,
11:08so I got something there.
11:10And I, just by happenstance,
11:13I knew the, I know the incoming minister, Mark Carney.
11:19And, are you current?
11:22Yeah.
11:25I talked to him last night.
11:28And the reaction, like, gosh, you know,
11:32kind of his head's still spinning.
11:35How did we get here?
11:38How did we get to a point that a nation has been,
11:41that we've, probably next to Britain,
11:44has had the closest relationships with
11:47since the founding of our nation,
11:50is being turned into an enemy.
11:53And a lot of this, even when changed,
11:56I think Dave, you may speak to this,
11:59things change,
12:01because you never know what Trump,
12:02one day's on, one day's off.
12:04But that bitterness,
12:06that unwillingness to buy American products,
12:09that lack of trust that was created
12:12when this president, I believe,
12:16stupidly and potentially illegally
12:19threatened to throw Canada
12:21out of the Five Eyes partnership.
12:24That's not going to be papered over.
12:27A couple of quick points before I introduce our guest.
12:31Don't take my words about how much
12:34these tariffs are going to cost.
12:36Take the ever-colorful Peter Navarro,
12:41who, Trump's one of his trade people,
12:44says it will raise $100 billion
12:47off the car tariffs this year,
12:49$600 billion off the reciprocal tariffs,
12:52$700 billion tariff fees.
12:56Who's going to pay those?
12:58American consumers.
13:00This will be the largest tax increase
13:04on American consumers in modern times,
13:08in history.
13:09And people will feel that
13:11literally in the coming days and months.
13:14If that was not bad enough,
13:16what are we seeing in terms of other
13:18economic reverberations?
13:21I read this morning,
13:23Canadian travel to the United States
13:26is down 75%.
13:31If you happen to be a place in Arizona or Florida
13:34where you love those snowbirds
13:36coming from Canada, chances are
13:38those revenues aren't going to come.
13:41And saying, hey, it was all a mistake,
13:44you don't repair this overnight.
13:47We've seen already
13:50Poland, Germany, Canada
13:54rethinking buying our F-35s.
13:57You don't treat them as allies,
13:59they may not purchase our military goods.
14:02We've heard from Microsoft, Amazon, Google,
14:06cloud providers that are saying
14:10if we get on the wrong side of Trump,
14:13country X, are you going to be able
14:15to provide those services?
14:16So American IT services are being cut back.
14:20The combination of all these factors
14:23beyond the direct costs of the tariffs
14:26is going to lead this economy
14:28into a recession.
14:31And Chuck Schumer said it best,
14:33Donald Trump didn't give a damn
14:37no matter how high the prices are.
14:41This was the guy that was supposed to
14:42lower the prices of groceries
14:44when he's doing absolutely the opposite.
14:46And time and again,
14:47he's making America less safe.
14:49So I'm going to skip all the stuff
14:52that my others have already said
14:54and bring up our two guests.
14:57First of all, Bill from Port City,
15:01who is a brewer in my hometown in Alexandria.
15:06He relies on a lot of Canadian Pilsner,
15:09who is his best-selling beer.
15:13I can just tell you
15:14as a former business guy myself,
15:16the idea of what he's had to go through
15:19over the last few weeks,
15:20when's it coming, is it coming,
15:22how do you predict?
15:24Bill, why don't you share
15:25some of the examples firsthand
15:27of how this is affecting businesses.
15:28Thank you, Senator Warner.
15:29Yeah, our base malt,
15:31really the primary ingredient
15:33that goes into our beer,
15:35besides water,
15:36is Canadian Pilsner malt.
15:37It's a very specific strain
15:39of high-quality barley
15:41that grows in the cold climate of Canada,
15:43and there's not a suitable U.S. substitute
15:46that we can get of the same quality
15:48to make our beer.
15:50So we've relied on Canadian Pilsner malt
15:53for the past 14 years since we opened
15:55to brew our world-class quality beer.
15:58If there's a 25% tariff
16:00on this basic ingredient,
16:03it's going to slow our business down.
16:06We're going to have to raise our prices,
16:07and by the time it goes from us
16:10to our distributor, to the retailer,
16:12to the consumer,
16:14this $12.99 six-pack of beer
16:16is going to end up at $18.99.
16:19And so how many people
16:20are still going to want to buy
16:22a six-pack of great-tasting beer,
16:25but at $18.99?
16:26People are going to start looking
16:27for a different substitute.
16:29Senator Warner mentioned the chaos
16:32that's been injected into the supply chain,
16:35and there's a direct effect of that.
16:38It's impossible for us to plan our business
16:41when we don't know what's going to happen,
16:43or when, or if,
16:45or how the tariffs are going to be implemented.
16:47So as a result, unfortunately,
16:49I had to lay off two of our key employees yesterday.
16:52That's 10% of our full-time workforce
16:55just because of the uncertainty
16:57and the inability for us to be able
16:59to plan our production and our sales.
17:02So that's some of the real damage
17:05that we fear we're going to see
17:07with these tariffs on our Canadian,
17:10our base ingredient, the Pilsner malt.
17:13And you know, those of you who are part of the,
17:17like, resist, resist, resist,
17:19we can show a great sign of resistance
17:21if we all show up at Port City tomorrow afternoon
17:24and start drinking beer,
17:25maybe about one o'clock, right?
17:27So we can roll into the Votorama
17:29with a few beers under our belts.
17:33Dave Coutinho is the CEO
17:37of Reservoir Distillery in Richmond.
17:40He spent 20 years in this business.
17:43He has whiskeys and he sells all over the world.
17:46I want him to talk about,
17:48we have seen some of the effects already.
17:51I think it's in Alberta.
17:53The Canadian liquor stores are coming in
17:57and basically taking all of American liquor
18:00off their shelves.
18:02I wonder, is it going to get put back
18:05when Trump says, oops, we screwed up?
18:07This could have huge long-term implications.
18:09Dave, talk about what's going on here.
18:11Thank you, Senator Warner,
18:12and thank you, Senators, for having me today
18:14and giving a voice to small business.
18:17You know, I'm one of many.
18:19We make up, I believe, about 50%
18:22of private payrolls in the country.
18:24And what I want to talk to you about
18:27is how we are already directly affected
18:30by this Canadian rhetoric and tariffs as well.
18:34We have a business, a business that we're building
18:37in Western Canada.
18:39And I was actually in Western Canada
18:42selling out inventory on a market visit
18:44and came back on January 20th.
18:46And within a week, everything changed.
18:49By the beginning of March, I had a message
18:51from my distributor in Alberta.
18:54And the real message was, one,
18:57that Alberta had pulled all of our product off the shelves.
19:00But also, more importantly,
19:03the Canadian consumer, furious, frustrated,
19:06not understanding why, may not be coming back.
19:09And that is something that very much is almost,
19:13people might think, secondary to what's going on
19:15with the tariffs, because tariffs can be lifted.
19:17But a consumer not coming back is even worse.
19:21So, we're on a timeline here.
19:24And timelines are like rubber bands.
19:27We can stretch them out.
19:29And sometimes, if you do that,
19:31you lift a tariff and it comes back, okay.
19:33But we're also at a point now
19:35where we're very fastly approaching
19:37a critical point where that rubber band is going to break
19:40and that consumer won't come back.
19:42And that is the worst possible scenario.
19:45So, what really needs to happen is action.
19:48I'm extraordinarily appreciative
19:50that all the Senators are actually getting behind this bill
19:53and working and standing up to actually say and do something.
19:56That's what we witnessed today.
19:58And I'm glad that they're getting this done.
20:02Jim took the lead, so let's just...
20:04Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the guy.
20:06He is the junior Senator, but he...
20:07I am the junior Senator. I'm such a young man.
20:09One other point.
20:10We had a third witness who was going to be here today.
20:12Something came up.
20:13Phillip Glaze from Winchester, who runs Apple Orchards.
20:16And a lot of their apples get sold in Canada, exported to Canada.
20:21And what we see is,
20:23since there's never been a one-sided trade war in world history,
20:26as soon as the U.S. takes steps,
20:28the Canadians put on retaliatory tariffs.
20:31And who they tend to go after is Ag and Forestry.
20:33So he was going to talk about the declining market
20:36for American apples in Canada as a result.
20:39Everywhere you go, we all have the stories.
20:42I have a little bakery, Mom's Apple Pie, in Northern Virginia.
20:45They have three locations.
20:47April, the owner, said,
20:48you've got to do something about these tariffs.
20:49I said, April, you just have a small bakery with three places.
20:53I mean, how do the tariffs affect you?
20:55She goes, pie tins, aluminum pie tins, they all come from Canada.
20:58You raise the price of a pie tin by 25%.
21:01Nobody has to buy an apple pie.
21:03So a whole lot of people quit buying apple pie.
21:06This affects, as Dave said,
21:08the smallest businesses get really, really hit by this.
21:11They have sometimes the least ability to deal with the excess prices
21:15compared to some of the larger businesses.
21:17But with that, we're glad to open it up.
21:19Take questions, please.
21:20Yeah, Senator Kaine, even if this resolution does pass,
21:23it doesn't do anything to actually overturn the tariffs.
21:26So is this meant to just send a message to the White House?
21:29No, it actually, I mean, it has to go to the House.
21:31So if it passes in the Senate,
21:33and we hope with some bipartisan support,
21:35then we've got to work on the House.
21:36Then it would go to the White House and the president could veto it.
21:39But it actually turns off the emergency
21:42that is the basis for the 10% and 25% tariffs.
21:46There are other kinds of tariffs that can be imposed,
21:49but this one would turn off the Canadian emergency
21:52and the 10% and 25% tariffs would go away.
21:55We obviously have got step one in the Senate,
21:57then in the House, on to the White House.
21:59But we think that the economic chaos that's being caused
22:03and markets being roiled and consumer confidence dropping
22:07and some predicting recession together with a bipartisan vote
22:11might convince the White House,
22:12say, look, there's a better way to treat American citizens and customers.
22:16Senator Kaine.
22:17Yes, hi.
22:18Azeb from Radio Canada.
22:19Why do you think some elected officials
22:21are not willing to support your bill?
22:24Why is there resistance?
22:26Well...
22:27There's a lot that are.
22:28Yeah, Republicans aren't yet willing to stand up to the president.
22:32Republicans here, our colleagues,
22:33they're embarrassed by 51st State or Governor Trudeau.
22:38They're embarrassed by this stuff
22:39because they view Canada as a great ally.
22:41But they've got to be willing to stand up.
22:43They've said they're concerned about tariffs.
22:45Okay, fine, you're concerned.
22:47Now we're giving you a vote.
22:48You can stop them if you want to.
22:50So we're asking everybody to have a backbone,
22:52be the Article 1 branch.
22:54Trade is supposed to be an Article 1 responsibility,
22:57not an executive responsibility.
22:59So stand up for your constituents
23:01and say no tax increases.
23:03Senator Kaine.
23:04Senator Klobuchar.
23:05Senator, these tariffs put us in violation of USMCA.
23:11What is the impact next year
23:13when we have to renegotiate the treaty?
23:17And if I could, do you see any positive side to this
23:20if the worst trade offenders do lower their tariffs?
23:25Okay, so first of all,
23:27I've always been okay with targeted tariffs.
23:30And there have been some smart targeted tariffs over history
23:33when someone is misbehaving and you want to use them.
23:36That's not what this is.
23:37This is across the board, exorbitant, 25%.
23:41You heard what that adds to their supply chains.
23:44And then it is also beyond even Canada with countries.
23:48And of course it violates all kinds of things.
23:51Donald Trump doesn't seem to care if he violates things.
23:54And the point that we're making up here
23:56is our colleagues over in the Senate
23:59should not be subjects to a cane, okay?
24:02We are an independent, co-equal branch of government
24:05that's got to speak out.
24:07And I have not heard an issue like this.
24:09Of all the things that have been going on
24:11and the chaos up, the corruption up, the costs up,
24:14as these tariffs that our Republican colleagues behind closed doors
24:18are telling us keep going, keep going, keep doing this,
24:22go away, go do this,
24:24because this is just decimating our businesses and our state.
24:27So this is the moment they can stand up.
24:29In general, if only four of them stood up
24:32on so many of these things,
24:34including the tax cuts for the billionaires
24:37or whatever else they're doing, that would be it.
24:39Four of them, just four of them need to stand up,
24:42like Senator Booker is doing right now on that Senate floor.
24:45Well, Senator Grassley told us this morning
24:47that Congress needs to reclaim its Commerce Clause authority.
24:51And he's got a bill to do that.
24:53Okay, well, we welcome his vote for this measure then.
24:56Because this is the way to go right here.
24:58Senator Klobuchar, right now in Canada, Canadians are so angry.
25:02They are.
25:03When they boo at hockey games with Minnesota,
25:05we know things are gone awry.
25:07It's bad.
25:08What would you say to Canadians in this moment
25:10who are making those choices to say,
25:12I don't want to buy American,
25:14and they see this as a turning point in the relationship,
25:17and they don't necessarily want to go back.
25:19So we want them back.
25:20They have so many friends here that care about Canada deeply,
25:24that see them as our best ally in the world.
25:27We share this biggest border.
25:29We have had this relationship that's helped with security,
25:33and it's helped with everything from our trade and our economies,
25:37and making our countries so much stronger together.
25:41So we want them back.
25:42These businesses need them back.
25:44And so many people do not agree
25:46with what Donald Trump is doing right now.
25:48So we ask them to support us in what we're doing here,
25:52to stand with us, and then once we have a victory,
25:55whether it is with this measure or whether it's in the future,
25:58that they come back strong.
26:00And I'm going to be there at the hockey games,
26:02and I will note the women's hockey game,
26:04the new league we've started with three teams in the U.S.,
26:07including Minnesota.
26:09I want to be there standing with them, cheering.
26:11And I don't blame them for being angry.
26:13They have every right to be angry.
26:15They shouldn't be treated like this.
26:17Let me just add on that.
26:20I think it's incumbent.
26:21I've not had a chance because we were talking
26:23with some of the Canadian officials yesterday.
26:25I think a big bipartisan group of us in the Senate
26:30need to stand up and say,
26:32we view Canada as a strong ally, as a friend,
26:36as a country that is totally interconnected with our economy,
26:42and make clear that this is the action of one guy,
26:48not even the majority of his own party,
26:50at least on the Canada issue.
26:52But I also think we need to make clear
26:54that we're going to require our national security apparatus
26:59to be more careful.
27:01The idea that we would throw Canada out of the Five Eyes,
27:05or the idea last week where they put classified information
27:10on an unsecure commercial channel that could have cost lives,
27:16I know we are hearing from our allies,
27:18including Canadians, are going to say,
27:20do I want to share intelligence with this gang
27:24that can't shoot straight in terms of keeping classified information classified?
27:30Do I want to actually stand shoulder to shoulder
27:33with a long-term ally where you've got a political leader
27:38undercutting that ally and insulting that ally on a daily basis?
27:43Canadians got a right to be pissed.
27:45We got a responsibility to step up as bipartisan members of the Senate
27:50and say no, we reject this policy.
27:53We affirm this long-term friendship.
27:55If this is successful, would you be interested
27:58in trying to change the structure of the 232 law
28:01so that an imported Chrysler minivan from Canada
28:05and copper from Canada is not considered a national security risk?
28:10It seems like the idea of what is national security
28:14is getting stretched to the breaking point
28:16when you're saying that two-by-fours are national security.
28:19I think many of us have signed on to larger reform bills
28:22like the Grassley bill that was mentioned
28:24where we've just given too much power over the exec over many years.
28:28IEPA was never supposed to be used in these circumstances.
28:31But I don't think anybody should say,
28:33well, let's do a comprehensive reform and we'll wait for that
28:35while taxes are going up every day in our constituents.
28:38We can stop this right now.
28:40And then, yes, let's look at is there a better way to reform these tariffs.
28:44You talk about stopping these taxes right now,
28:47but you also say the vote's a little bit in flux
28:49because of Senator Booker speaking and occupying the Senate floor.
28:53In your view, what is this 15 going on 16 going on speech
28:58accomplishing while it's pushing your vote back?
29:02Oh, look, I think we were all there with Cory.
29:07Cory had, last we saw, like 59 million views of people.
29:11And of course he did, because any of us who are doing town hall meetings,
29:15you had an overflow room down in Antwerp.
29:18You've been doing them.
29:19People are tired of the chaos.
29:22Like, who wanted chaos?
29:24Who wanted chaos?
29:25Who wants a stock market that's declining?
29:27Who wants the Atlanta Fed predicting we're going to go into a recession
29:31and have reverse economic growth?
29:34Who wants to see prices going up?
29:36Who wants to see us shredding alliances around the globe?
29:39People don't want to see that.
29:41And so that's what Cory is speaking to.
29:43And, you know, it's time for people who believe in the values of this country
29:49to stand up like Cory Booker is doing, and we think that's what we're doing with this.
29:52And I love that it's going to be the first big vote after that,
29:55because I think it makes the point.
29:57I'm not asking for the whole world to change.
30:01We're asking for four Republican senators to actually go on record
30:09what they've all said privately.
30:11They're aghast at the tariffs.
30:13They're aghast at the economic turmoil.
30:16They are insanely praised by the carelessness around classified information.
30:23But you can't be silent.
30:27Silence leads to more of this, and as Stephen David indicated,
30:33you know, Trump comes out, wakes up tomorrow morning and says,
30:36well, never mind.
30:38You say never mind, but there's still uncertainty.
30:41Will it come back?
30:43And will those Alberta customers buy American whiskey?
30:51You know, those are long-term ramifications.
30:53Will Canada vote with us when we're standing?
30:58Of course, if we vote again with Russia and North Korea and Belarus
31:02and deny factual basis about who started the war, they shouldn't vote with us.
31:07But this damage that's being done, America's strength has come from its hard power,
31:14its economic power, but also its soft power and its alliances.
31:18And on every one of those categories, this crowd is undermining us.
31:22All right, this is a start.
31:24Thank you very much.