During a House Ways and Means Committee hearing held before the congressional recess, Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA) questioned experts about the healthcare workforce shortages.
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00:00Thank you. Mr. Fitzpatrick, you are now recognized.
00:03Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you all for being here today. A key challenge facing my constituents
00:08back home in Buxton-Montgomery County in Pennsylvania has been the increasing staff
00:13shortages in the healthcare industry, forcing many patients to be turned away for necessary care
00:19or alternatively to receive suboptimal care to meet their needs. This is coupled with increased
00:25pressure on the professionals administering this very care. As has been brought up in this hearing,
00:31staffing for these specialized post-acute care facilities is especially concerning in my home
00:38state. In Pennsylvania, PAs projected to have the most dire shortage of staff for skilled nursing
00:44facilities by 2026 and reportedly nearly half of Pennsylvania Healthcare Association members
00:50plan to close or sell at least one of their SNFs this year. Dr. Madison, in your professional
00:57experiences in home health, can you speak to how staffing has changed in recent years and, moreover,
01:05how these potential challenges impacted your ability to treat your patients?
01:09I certainly can. Thank you for the question. In Lubbock, Texas, six years ago, we did a study,
01:14and at that one point, we're a city of 260,000. We were 1,000 RN short and 1,000 LVN short,
01:20and that's a backfill hole that you can never backfill enough. So, we are dealing with it
01:25right now. Telehealth would help with that tremendously. If we could do telehealth visits,
01:30one particular nurse could make 20 visits a day instead of the normal eight that they make. For
01:36those patients that don't need to actually have hands-on care that day, I think telehealth would
01:41be a great way to take care of those patients. We also lost a lot of nurses during COVID because
01:46they did not want to be subjected to some of the viruses and stuff that are out there, and then
01:52also you have disabled nurses that can no longer handle the hospital care work that's demanded of
01:57them. We could put them to work also. And, Mr. Dungilli, in your experiences
02:04and observation, are you able to speak to how staffing concerns have impacted your administration
02:09of care? Yes. Like Texas, the state of Nebraska in 2025 is forecasted to have a shortage of
02:20RNs of over 5,000, and so you can't absorb that. And so, I think what we find within my state is
02:31holding beds that could potentially be opened if we had adequate staff. It's widespread,
02:38not only in the post-acute sector, but in the acute hospital sector as well. So, it does impact
02:44the provision of care and patients' access to it. And moving on to long-term care hospitals,
02:50these hospitals play an essential role in caring for our seniors with serious conditions. Ms.
02:56Graber, several years ago, Congress created the criteria for LTCH eligibility requiring a patient
03:04to have an ICU stay or 96 hours on a ventilator for an LTCH to receive a higher payment.
03:12What was the rationale of this change?
03:18Thank you for the question. I believe part of the rationale behind it was that the Medicare
03:24Payment Advisory Commission had recommended to Congress to put patient criteria into place for
03:29long-term care hospitals. MedPAC recommended an 8-day ICU stay, and when Congress legislated it,
03:38they codified a 3-ICU day. So, I believe that that was some of the background behind
03:43how Congress got to the 2013 policy.
03:46Got it. Back to you, Mr. DenGilley. Are there patients who might benefit from an LTCH care
03:52who do not meet this criteria? How would this change impact their care?
03:57Well, thank you for that follow-up question, because, yes, we can understand the reason to
04:01create criteria, but we believe that 3-day in the ICU stay went too far. There are other patients
04:09who are critically and chronically ill who could benefit from the services that a long-term care
04:16hospital provides that haven't maybe been in the ICU. There are certain hospitals, for instance,
04:23one hospital in our market right now has 25 patients waiting in the emergency room,
04:30waiting for a patient bed. Some of those patients can get into a unit within the hospital that can
04:38deal with their critical chronic condition instead of the ICU, but because they're not in the ICU,
04:44because of the bed availability, they're not then eligible to come to the LTCH. So,
04:49we think they should be expanded. Thank you, Mr. DenGilley. You're back, Mr. Chairman.