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00:00I'm your Miami heat.
00:01They lose both games over the weekend.
00:03They fell to the Memphis Grizzlies on Saturday night, one 25 to 91.
00:08And they lost to the Boston Celtics on Friday night, one Oh three 91.
00:15They will be back at it tonight to continue this little two game trip.
00:20They will take on the New York Knicks tonight at seven 30.
00:25Great, great.
00:27You can sneak this one.
00:29You said that on Friday, you said that on Friday, you thought this would be the one
00:32because you guys are coming back from that West coast trip.
00:35Um, no Brunson again tonight, right?
00:37No, no.
00:37Brunson's not coming back until maybe the last week of the regular season.
00:41I thought you guys were going to win that game against the Warriors.
00:43I wanted, I wanted that cat and Dre.
00:46I wanted him to shut dream on up and said he blew right by cat for the win.
00:50That was a, that was tough.
00:51That was tough.
00:52I mean, these warriors don't lose though, man.
00:54Like Jimmy, Jimmy influence.
00:56I know, I know.
00:57It's very, it's very annoying.
00:59It's very, it's very annoying, but not even putting up good numbers.
01:02Nope, but it doesn't matter.
01:04He just brings a, he brings, he brings an essence dude to, to, to not, to, to, to
01:09watch Jimmy Butler is to know Jimmy Butler.
01:11It's like, if you just looked at the box score, you wouldn't, you wouldn't get it.
01:15But, uh, they don't lose with them.
01:16They don't lose, they don't lose games anymore.
01:19Uh, but the Knicks and heat seven 30 is your tip off tonight from the garden.
01:24Six 15 preheat Miami heat.
01:27They have lost seven in a row, eight out of nine, and they are eight games under
01:35500 if they lose tonight, Leroy, if the Miami heat end up losing this game tonight,
01:40it would be the first eight game losing streak that the Miami heat have
01:44had since the 15 win season.
01:47Okay.
01:53Damn.
02:01I know we don't want to be quiet on the radio, but Vlad just going,
02:06damn, no, you're talking like the Miami heat lose tonight.
02:09Cause they had a seven game losing streak last year, which was an odd one,
02:14but they lose tonight.
02:16You're talking two eras, expansion team era and tanking team era.
02:24That's what you're talking about.
02:26Like that's the, that's the, the, the, the, the consistency of the Miami heat
02:31does not make for a lot of these in their franchises history, but you lose tonight.
02:36You're right there with Blake Aaron.
02:40That's where you're at Blake air.
02:41Yup.
02:43Go look them up.
02:44Didn't you have an alley cog or something like that?
02:46Sure.
02:47Did was there around that time, dude, that was the Rory Sparrow eight time.
02:51This is a hard time right now.
02:53Vlad, these are hard times.
02:55Let me hear from Eric Spolstra after the loss to the Grizzlies.
03:00He discussed the standard.
03:01The Miami heat are not living up to here with spell, you know, enough
03:05has been said, uh, in the locker room, but we have a certain standard of how
03:11how we expect to play and compete.
03:13Um, we did not meet that standard tonight.
03:15When we meet that standard, it doesn't mean that we're going to win, you know,
03:19obviously, uh, we're, we're, we're struggling to figure out, you know, how
03:23to win games, but last night we met a standard, uh, from a competitive,
03:27uh, uh, standpoint, uh, tonight we did not.
03:31Nope.
03:32I mean, are you making it sound like you have on other nights?
03:37He has been saying that up until like the Clippers game.
03:41Then he was like, Oh, those Clippers, I kind of kicked her ass.
03:43I was like, yeah, they did.
03:44Till it became just, but if you saw this team play it, like if you saw this team
03:48in, in, in scraps with the bulls and the Hornets, you're like, well, let's just
03:53look at the teams are about to take on.
03:55How is this going to get better?
03:57If you can't eat the Hornets and the bulls who, you know, bulls are like
04:02having a scrappy moment, but the Hornets are awful.
04:06And miles bridges is feeding you 35.
04:09What do you think?
04:10Doesn't Bain's not gonna Jason Tatum's not gonna, you think that cat's not gonna
04:16like it, it, it, you're, and you're setting yourself up or you're looking
04:19like, yeah, may, okay.
04:20Maybe on a West coast, Vlad, maybe on a West coast back to bed, but I would
04:26almost feel better if they beat the warriors now that they're pissed off.
04:29They're going to come in there and have like, Oh, thank God.
04:32He
04:33you know, what's weird about you.
04:35What's up?
04:36This is the total opposite of what you've been saying the last month.
04:46Like,
04:48have you not been listening to me this last month?
04:50I have, I have, I have, it's, it's gradually gotten to the point where
04:54your positivity can no longer sustain the situation.
05:00I think I've held it appropriately.
05:02You got mad at me when I shook ping pong balls.
05:05Yeah.
05:07I went and bought something this weekend.
05:08I'm gonna start shaking them too.
05:10Are we all going to watch the tournament so that we can see possible?
05:13Oh yeah.
05:13We're scouting.
05:14Y'all we scouting right now.
05:15Okay.
05:15I got to tell you, I watched about three minutes of Michigan.
05:21Uh, Wisconsin.
05:24And I was like, wow, a lot of intangibles on the floor.
05:29Dude, the tangible was, I'm making a comeback now.
05:32Yeah.
05:32But you know, what's crazy, Vlad.
05:34They're not American.
05:36So do they count?
05:38Yes.
05:38Okay.
05:39Okay.
05:39Okay.
05:40Why does it, what intangibles are America trying to take as many intangibles?
05:46No, I'm not.
05:46No, I'm not.
05:47I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying like, Michigan has a lot
05:53of foreign guys on their team.
05:56They've always had
05:59is a Wagner.
06:00Can a Wagner be a intangible?
06:02He's German.
06:03It's like, yeah, that's honestly, that's more intangible.
06:07We claimed target.
06:08Yeah.
06:09All right.
06:10All right.
06:10A Wagner.
06:12Have you seen how mobile Wagner plays basketball?
06:15The good one.
06:16Is that the good one or the bad one?
06:18He's not, he's not bad.
06:19He's intangibles.
06:20Like he plays, but Franz is the one who's like, he's the, the, the, the, the, the
06:25good one, even though the magic have not been very good either.
06:28Um, Oh wait, no.
06:29Mo Mo's the hacker.
06:30Franz is the good one.
06:32Yeah.
06:32Franz is the good one.
06:33Right.
06:35Cause France scored damn near 30 against us.
06:37Right.
06:38Yep.
06:39Franz and the boys beat a Cleveland last night.
06:42Yep.
06:43It's not there.
06:43Two full games in front of the heat.
06:45The heat are right there in the nine spot, which means they would be in the
06:48plan where they have to win two playing games, which they're not going to do.
06:52Oh, doesn't sound like you.
06:56I mean, Leroy, have you watched the team?
06:57Yes.
06:58I've listened.
06:59I've come to this a lot longer, a lot longer ago than you is that for the last
07:07few years, I've watched this team.
07:10I can't, I can't do this with the last few years thing, dude.
07:12Like if you're not saying like, this is the, this is amongst the worst heat
07:15basketball teams in the last 15 years.
07:17Yes.
07:18I'm not, I'm not, listen, I'm not saying this team is worse or better.
07:23I am.
07:23They're worse.
07:24I'm just saying from, if you look at it from an organizational standpoint,
07:29right, they're looking at it as we've been to play in the, like,
07:33this can't be sustainable.
07:35This is not, you can't go into a year playing hoping that you get into playing.
07:40So the frustration I could tell probably with the organization is why are we here?
07:48Right.
07:49You can put some of it on injuries.
07:51You can put some of it on, you know, guys missing a lot of time, whatever you want,
07:57but you are here.
08:00And you've been here, regardless of what the results have been in the plan, you
08:05have been here for the last week.
08:07You can't keep, I don't understand how, but I don't understand how you, how you
08:11equate being eight games over to eight games under it.
08:15I mean, like, I don't understand how that's the same.
08:17Here's, here's, here's the, here's the thing that you don't get, that I
08:25understand.
08:27Okay.
08:28Every year is different in that what it takes to qualify for the postseason is
08:35going to be different.
08:38Sometimes the conference leader only has 55 wins.
08:43Other times they have 65 wins.
08:45It's just every year is different in what it takes to qualify for the postseason.
08:51So you can't compare the seasons.
08:53You can't compare.
08:55Okay.
08:55Two years ago, we were eight games over 500.
08:59Okay.
09:00No, because you have to look at where your positioning is in the conference.
09:05But why, but that's, that's, that seems respectfully, that seems stupid.
09:09Like, why would you, because you're, you're just like, ah, eight
09:13seeds and eight seed 19 to 19.
09:14Yes.
09:15Because every year is different.
09:17What it takes to be an eight seed.
09:18You're right.
09:19But what it takes to be, you're saying every year is different, but
09:21you're calling it the same.
09:23You know what I mean?
09:24Like that's why your argument has no way here.
09:27I'm not calling it the same.
09:29What I'm saying is, is that every season, what is required to get
09:33in the postseason is different.
09:36So you can't go into last year.
09:39Oh, or two years ago.
09:40Oh, two years ago, we were eight over.
09:42If you were still the same seed, you still scored the same on the test.
09:47Regardless of what your numbers were.
09:50So you're grading on a curve.
09:52Yes.
09:53Every year is on a curve because what it takes to qualify
09:56is different every year.
09:59So sometimes you can, sometimes you can qualify for the postseason without
10:03even having a winning record and other times, those listen, case in point,
10:07case in point, new England was 11 and five, one year and didn't
10:11even make the playoffs, but you think, okay, that's fine.
10:14That's fine.
10:15But I would say, even if you, if you were, so if you were to look back
10:18reasonably, you say that, Hey, that was a pretty good new England team.
10:20Yeah.
10:21Okay.
10:22And it's like the dolphins fan.
10:24It's like the dolphins who want to wave.
10:25Oh, we've won five, five years in a row.
10:27Winning record.
10:28It's like, yeah, but you were eight, eight every single year.
10:30They just added games.
10:31It's kind of Fugazi.
10:32It's a fake record.
10:33You got to kind of make him the same argument.
10:35Not really.
10:36Well, because here's what he's trying to say.
10:37He's trying to say the heat have been who they are been like
10:40the last couple of years.
10:41It's just that they've gotten away with it and it finally caught up to him.
10:44The same way, the same way we've all been talking.
10:46We were talking about the Kansas city chiefs, not winning.
10:48They were winning games, but they were getting away with it.
10:50And then sooner or later, they were going to get their ass handed to them,
10:53which they did in the super bowl.
10:55Leroy's trying to say, he's seen this heat team play like this for the last.
10:59But they have it.
11:00Like, that's the thing.
11:01Like, I understand you guys want to stay, but they have it.
11:03They've gotten out guys.
11:05They're the worst fourth quarter team in that worst of the jazz.
11:10They've been outscored worse than the weather.
11:12That's not the heat of the last two years.
11:14I don't understand why you're making this argument here.
11:17Um, you're right.
11:20I'm not, I'm not going to sit here and say the reasonings behind where
11:27they are, haven't been different.
11:29Okay.
11:30But I'm looking at the situations and every year we've come up with a different
11:36argument as to why they're in the same spot.
11:41And so my solution is do whatever you can to not be in this spot, but for
11:49the last, we were saying, Hey, as soon as everybody comes back, Ooh, as soon
11:54as Jimmy get back in January, we're going to go on this run and we're going
11:57to do this and we end up in the same seeds from, from seven to 10 every year.
12:06So while what you're saying is right in that this year has been different
12:14as to why they are here.
12:17Okay.
12:19What I'm saying is, but they're still in the same spot.
12:23This year may be worse with how they've gotten here.
12:28Um, I understand that.
12:32But big picture, if you're looking at this team over the last two or three
12:36years, right, you're looking at it as we've been playing with fire for too long.
12:44You can't keep going into the play and then losing the first
12:47game and then going on a run.
12:49You think that's sustainable?
12:51Yeah.
12:51But they lost last year by losing Jimmy Butler.
12:55Well, you ain't got no Jimmy Butler anymore.
12:57That's my point though.
12:58Like you, you, I know you can say, you can say it's an aberration, whatever.
13:02That's fine.
13:02I said it right.
13:03Aberration.
13:04Aberration.
13:05Aberration.
13:06Isn't, isn't that a person?
13:07I feel like, no, I think I apparitions, apparitions, a ghost, right?
13:12Aberration.
13:13Yeah.
13:13I would say having Jimmy Butler for, for stretch runs at the second, I get it.
13:19He's not the perfect player.
13:20He misses a lot of games and it's annoying that he'll have
13:22games where he scores 15.
13:23But there is something about him.
13:25Yeah.
13:25It's going to be his third team in the last six years that has shown
13:31a huge ability to crank it up.
13:35I would say the evidence is more there that he's that X factor
13:38than it is that he's not.
13:41I, and all that, I agree with, but you weren't getting that Jimmy.
13:45Well, yeah, cause they didn't want to pay him.
13:49But for whatever reason, but then, okay.
13:51But then here's the Roy's point.
13:53Even if you pay Jimmy, you might end up in the same situation.
13:56You've been the last three years this year.
13:58They would have, but, but you see, you're saying I'm down and you
14:02doubt, you're doubting it, but I have recent history.
14:08Yeah.
14:08But your recent history isn't the same.
14:10Like your recent, your recent history, we had this argument two years ago
14:13and your, your, your, your logic and your reasoning was wrong.
14:17I was right.
14:18Because they ended up going on a run.
14:20Yeah.
14:23Dude, you cannot keep being in the plan and hoping for the one
14:31result that you got the one time.
14:35That's not, that's not good.
14:37You can't run an organization like that.
14:40Or you can't think that every year you're going to do what happened.
14:45Yeah.
14:45Well, they better hope what their bet was.
14:48Cause they, they, they took your path, but they're what they better hope is
14:51that Jimmy Butler doesn't end up holding a trophy at the end of this year.
14:55And that he falls off like crazy the next two years.
14:57Cause that was the bet they made and why they didn't pay him.
15:03We, we have it documented.
15:04You would have gone on a break.
15:06You would have paid Jimmy.
15:07Yes.
15:09I would not have.
15:10That's cool.
15:11But because, and the reason why they didn't was because you need him to play more.
15:19Okay.
15:20And if that wasn't, you know, if, if that wasn't going to happen and we don't
15:26extend you, then fine, the other thing is, is that you know, if Jimmy had made
15:34this stink in the summer, it would have been done then, but he came back and said,
15:40we're good.
15:41I'm a, I'm a hoop and he didn't do it.
15:44I understand.
15:45I'm aware of what happened.
15:46I'm aware of what happened, but they, they had to probably, you know, I think
15:50that he were in a spot where they probably should have known their guy a little bit
15:54better and known the situation better.
15:57They should have
16:00here's the thing.
16:01What a cool winky.
16:02This is the thing where I don't, I don't want to hear from the Miami heat about what
16:06he was like behind the scenes and like, Oh, we kept a lot of things under wraps.
16:11You guys nightmare.
16:12He was, it's like, well, let me get this straight.
16:15If you had all this data behind the scenes and you knew that was a
16:19possibility, then why bring them into the fold then dude here?
16:25I don't like, I don't even care about all that nonsense.
16:29Right.
16:30Like my only issue with all of this was Jimmy wanted to get maxed out
16:39while playing 60 games a year.
16:41Wait till Tyler wants to get maxed out in October.
16:46Wait.
16:46Oh, he's a VIP.
16:47He's eligible, right?
16:48Sure is.
16:50Even I felt like y'all just signed them a couple of years ago.
16:52We did.
16:55And he's an all-star.
16:56Yeah.
16:57Well, not for me.
16:58I'll tell you exactly what my decision is.
17:01What's your decision?
17:01You can wait.
17:02Young, young boy wonder you've been shooting like 24% from three
17:06for a month and a half now.
17:08Oh, so, so I just showed up in the game.
17:15But let me highlight you for a sec.
17:18Toby, take a step back.
17:19Now he cares about production.
17:23What does that even mean?
17:24Because I've been saying, wait, wait, wait.
17:26I've said the same thing about Jimmy and his production.
17:30I got to tell you, dude, this is why you're Peter Pan with his argument.
17:34How can you in, in, in good conscience, dude, how can you compare Jimmy
17:38Butler to Tyler hero and production?
17:40I'm not, I'm, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm
17:44not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm
17:48not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not at all.
17:53It's a ridiculous, let me, let me ask you a water when he's healthy, his entire
17:58career, hold on, let me ask you a question.
18:02With Jimmy not playing as much as he has played, you know, the last couple of years.
18:11Right.
18:12Tyler's been less available.
18:13Yeah.
18:14Okay.
18:15And then his kind, he wanted an extension while you didn't say, Oh, look, show us
18:20that you're going to play more than 65 games, the heat did you want to know why?
18:25Because Jimmy Butler had proven himself to be a player that can actually make
18:29an impact on winning when Tyler hero that's years ago, that's three years ago.
18:34What's years ago, Leroy, like, so it's every year, if it's not, if his MCL
18:39doesn't black, take a blast in the, in the play with Kelly Oubre falling on it.
18:42No, I'm not, I'm not saying that, but wait, my question to you is, is with a
18:49mid thirties player, how far can you go back in that counts?
18:53I would say two years is fine for me, for me, for me.
18:57But what do I know?
18:58I mean, his team only has the best record since he's arrived in golden state, but.