"There is beauty in the struggle," or so they say... A solid performance ruined by poor defense, the Miami Heat lose to the LA Clippers 119-104. Bogdan Bogdanovic continues to haunt our dreams. When will the bleeding stop? Tobin takes us on the gauntlet of the next 5 games and all signs point to more losing. Is this the WORST HEAT season of ALL TIME?
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00:00I knew Bogdanovic was going to give us that work last night.
00:03Dang!
00:04Hey, that might have been the worst precursor I've ever seen.
00:09You called that.
00:10You go.
00:11Oh, dude.
00:12Oh, no.
00:13Here comes the 25 point Bogdanovic.
00:15You know he's been awful this year, right?
00:17Yeah.
00:18You guys know that.
00:19Like, he's been terrible this year.
00:20I've actually never seen him be terrible.
00:21Like, I've never seen him.
00:22Yeah, I know.
00:23I know.
00:24We've never seen him be terrible, but Bogdanovic is legitimately been...
00:26He's not old Bogdanovic.
00:28Yeah, I don't know.
00:29Unless he plays the Heat.
00:31He's just old by Bogdanovic.
00:33I don't even know how old Bogdan Bogdanovic is, but I knew as soon as I saw him.
00:40He's 32.
00:41He's not that old.
00:42I mean, you know, unless he's like, you know, unless in Serbia they were having him play
00:46at 12.
00:47You know, there's Serbian Tibs over there, like running him into the ground or something
00:50like that.
00:51But he's been legitimately a bad basketball player this year.
00:57But I saw that face and I'm like, oh no, Bogdanovic is here tonight.
01:02I was getting ready to watch the game and then I, oh no, here comes another 25 point
01:11Bogdanovic.
01:12And I'm like, he has to be kidding.
01:15I haven't heard that guy's name since, well, the last time he came here.
01:18Yeah.
01:19I know.
01:20Since his regular Hawks shenanigans where he's just lighting up the Heat.
01:25But nope.
01:26I saw him last night, 31 points, 31 points.
01:34Why did you put that into the ether?
01:36I just knew, you know, I just knew, I don't know.
01:39I think I couldn't help it.
01:40I just saw him and I'm like, oh, what happened to old Tobin locking it down?
01:46We going to lock him down.
01:47I'm not.
01:48Well, I'm just, I'm just embracing the struggle and forging on and there's something beautiful
01:53on the other side.
01:54That's what I've been told.
01:55That's what I've been told.
01:56Sunshine.
01:57You know what, when you get kicked in the junk, the only thing on the other side is
02:04less pain.
02:05Do you think like Chris Quinn ever says something smart alecky when he, what, when Spoh walked
02:09back in the office, he goes, let me know when that beautiful thing is coming here, he goes,
02:13shut up, Chris.
02:14Shut up.
02:15Should have taken the jazz job.
02:21This is brutal.
02:22Oh my God.
02:23It's brutal, dude.
02:25It is so brutal.
02:26And the thing is, is here's what I hate and I get on you for doing this, right?
02:33I always say, you know, every game is different.
02:36You play that game and, and I watched the game and I'm like, here we go again.
02:44But you know what the thing is, is like, it doesn't matter.
02:46They always get roped into like whatever game the opponent wants to play.
02:49Like last night you'd look at like the heat and you're like, ah, other than bam and bam
02:53stunk yesterday.
02:54But, uh, you know, I know he didn't get a ton of shots, but even in the shots they did,
02:58that wasn't close.
02:59It was like, it was, it was a December bam last night.
03:03And you know, you got a good game.
03:05If you look at the box, you're like, oh, Tyler played great.
03:08Wiggins played great.
03:09Dunks had a nice night, but like you let them score 61%.
03:14Right.
03:15Like it's like, and, and zoo botch.
03:19Oh my God.
03:21Zoo botch.
03:22He's a hall of famer and all of a sudden, Jesus.
03:27I mean, he just demolished where and bam, like it was nothing.
03:37He took that poor Rooks cookies.
03:40It was bad, dude.
03:42It was, it was, it was rough.
03:43This is, this is, this is hard times, daddy.
03:46This is, this is, these are the dark ages.
03:50And he can talk about something beautiful or there's beautiful in the struggle or
03:53bib, bib, bib, bib, bib, bib.
03:56Dude, they're, they're, they're legitimately lodged in the ninth and the bulls are breathing
04:00down their neck with the tiebreaker.
04:04Like this is crazy.
04:05They're going to, they're going to end up on the fringes of the plane.
04:08Don't let the, don't let the Raptors get hot.
04:11Hey man, especially with this stretch, especially with this stretch.
04:16You got to come.
04:17Let me get this straight.
04:18Like Marcos.
04:19They got the Celtics on Friday.
04:21Yeah.
04:22I mean, unless the Celtics are, even if the Celtics do the thing where they bench everybody
04:25and it's the Pritchard Derek white show, please don't let it be that action.
04:29You know, it's going to be like, if they're going to light it up and Pritchard is going
04:32to score 40 on Tyler hero for sure.
04:34Then you have John Moran the next night on the road fighting for something in the West.
04:42Then you have the Knicks on the road game winner yesterday, Mikhail bridges.
04:47I saw that, you know, to be honest with you.
04:50It's like the only thing that's left in the heat that is like any level of pride somehow,
04:54some way in the midst of this losing streak will be the mix is the fact that the blazers
05:01have yet to pass them and wins, but they've been close.
05:05They have been close.
05:06Joe Cronin is breathing down Pat Riley's neck.
05:09He's coming for blood.
05:10And I just tell you some way, somehow they have not caught the heat yet because they've
05:14lost five in a row as well.
05:16Could that be the lowest point as much fun as we made of Cronin in Portland?
05:27It's just added low.
05:28It's like, this is the lowest, but yes, it's going to be another cherry on top of this,
05:33of this blue cherries.
05:34You don't put cherries on top of low.
05:37What do you put rabbit pellets?
05:39Cherry on top is for the cake, the celebration.
05:44If it's a bleep Sunday though, you know, a real deuce in an ice cream bowl.
05:50You got it.
05:51Right.
05:52Deuce.
05:53It's on top of that.
05:54Are those rabbit pellets?
05:55Are they like little rat, rat turds?
05:57Like what do you, what is the sprinkles on a, on a, on a bleep Sunday steam?
06:03Like we out here laying down Stanley steamers.
06:12It is a, it is tough.
06:13It's like, and what, well, listen, I don't know what to tell you, dude.
06:27Like this is one of those things.
06:28Like I was listening yesterday to a, to ESPN's podcast and like, well, you know, then it's
06:33going to become an unprotected pick.
06:34It's like, yeah, but whatever, dude, the heat are going to have their pick this year and
06:39they're going to go into this thing with ping pong ball.
06:41They're not winning two playing games.
06:42I'm telling you right now, if the heat are in one of the eight spot, if they're in the
06:46eight, they'll have a chance to make the playoffs.
06:48If they're in the nine spot and they have to win two playing games, it's not happening.
06:52They're not winning two in a row, especially against those teams, Hawks, magic bowls.
06:58I mean, you were going through the schedule and I was counting up the losses to be honest.
07:04And I was telling me where you like, where is the wind?
07:09Like where is it?
07:10Tell me where this, when this, when does the bleeding stop?
07:12They've lost five straight.
07:13Yeah.
07:14And really let's be real about it.
07:15They've lost six out of seven.
07:18That one win was against the wizards.
07:20Okay.
07:21So they're the last meal and it was a squeaker, right?
07:24Yeah.
07:25It was, it was, they gave you a little pushback there in the third quarter.
07:29The last time the heat had a, when you were proud about was like being the pacers, right?
07:34That was a good win.
07:35And then the next night you had the two nights later you had the Knicks game, you blew that.
07:39And then this, the wheels have basically come off.
07:42It had your Ronnie cycling moment.
07:43Cool.
07:44Great.
07:45And then it's just been bloodbath.
07:47But seriously, you got the Celtics on Friday.
07:50That's a lot.
07:51Saturdays.
07:52The Grizzlies on the road.
07:53That's a loss.
07:55New York on Monday, take it on the Knicks in the Mecca on, on, on national television.
08:00Yeah.
08:01No Jalen Brunson.
08:02Okay.
08:03It could be a pride game.
08:04Could be a pride game.
08:05You know, you know, you get up for the Knicks, but uh, you got the bridges, they got Mikkel
08:09Bridges and they got cat and they got OG, but they don't, you know, they don't have
08:13Brunson.
08:14You played them tough last time.
08:15Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe put it this way, like you'd be pleasantly surprised me.
08:25That's what maybe means.
08:27Back Wednesday, you host the Detroit Pistons who, I mean, you want to talk about where
08:36this all went wrong.
08:39The scene of the crime, the scene of the crime, Oh, 10, 13.
08:48She's back.
08:49Wow.
08:50She is back.
08:52It was rough out there.
08:53It was rough out there, Jennifer.
08:55It was, um, as you settle in the scene of the crime, the scene of the crime was against
09:03the Pistons in Detroit spoke, forgetting how many, that he had no timeouts crime started
09:12with the man who I told you, then the other scene of the crime, we like to refer to this
09:19as the last time Jimmy Butler tried for the Miami heat Monday, December 16th, a one Oh
09:29five.
09:30Oh, I'm sorry.
09:31A one 25, one 24 overtime loss to the Pistons.
09:36The heat were three over 500 at that point could have gotten to four over 500 Jimmy Butler,
09:4235 points.
09:44He had 19 rebounds, 10 assists.
09:48Wow.
09:49Incredible game by Jimmy Butler, the last triple double, but you lost that game because
09:55Tim Hardaway hit three threes after you got an eight point lead.
10:00So anyway, getting back to the schedule, the Detroit Pistons next Wednesday at home, I
10:08don't feel good about that game.
10:11The Rockets on Friday, you've beaten the Rockets, but you know, who's going to be person.
10:15I'm going to try and spike Tyler on his head.
10:17Is that Amin Thompson is angry.
10:20He's angry.
10:22So while the Rockets haven't been no great shakes as they were early in the season, they're
10:26still good.
10:27Yeah, they're not second in the they're not second in the West good, but they're good.
10:32Pretty good.
10:34So finally, after that five game gauntlet, what do you think the record is going to be
10:40in that gauntlet, Leroy?
10:44Two and three.
10:45Oh, I would kill for two and three.
10:49I would kill for two and three.
10:51Boy, I got to tell you, this is a new Tobin.
10:53What do you want me to do?
10:55What do you want me to do?
10:57I'm honest.
10:58I'm honest.
10:59I'm I'm shocked.
11:00You're talking about heat and five, but Leroy, how could I do heat and five?
11:03I know.
11:04I know.
11:05I know.
11:06They've lost.
11:07That's what you do.
11:08You can't say this is the same as other years.
11:10This is legitimately one of the lowest heat years of all time.
11:13This, this is the lowest look.
11:16This is the lowest year in the last, the most recent years, but they've been teetering on
11:25this for the last three years, being in the plan and kind of working it out at the end.
11:35So if anything had gone wrong back then, we'd be having that conversation a couple of years
11:43ago.
11:44And what I would say to you is you can't play like that.
11:49So I don't really understand though.
11:51Like they've never been this bad with Jimmy Butler.
11:54So I get, I'm not, I'm not, I'm again, I'm not saying with or without Jimmy Butler.
12:03I'm saying the team as a whole has been playing with this play in fire for the last three
12:10years.
12:11But forget playing fire.
12:12I don't want to talk about playing.
12:13The plan is the worst.
12:15It's been in the East in a long time.
12:16All of these teams are seven, eight games under 500.
12:18The East play in is a joke, right?
12:20I'm talking about record the way they lose doing things that are done that only the jazz
12:28are doing correct.
12:30Teams actively tanking.
12:32You can't compare it Leroy just because their positional record is the same.
12:37It's not, they are a bad basketball team.
12:42Yes.
12:43But you have to put every season in perspective.
12:48So while you're taking the record and saying, this is the worst record, I look at the positioning
12:55and each year kind of works on a curve.
12:59Some years you might have to be over 500 to get the eighth seed, right?
13:05This year isn't that this is a bad year for the Eastern conference in general.
13:10Yeah.
13:11But that's like, that's those people.
13:13Like it's when you go back on like the dolphins and you say, Oh, we had five straight years
13:17of winning records.
13:18Yeah.
13:19But you were eight and eight going into every single final week.
13:20And they added a game.
13:21Like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's smoke and mirrors.
13:24You weren't really a winning team.
13:26Yes.
13:27That's what I'm saying.
13:28But it's not, but like the heat being a nine or an eight this year is different than it
13:33was two years ago when they were two games away from being a four.
13:36But it's, it's relative to basketball this year, but it's not, it's kind of like the
13:43thing where you have a team one year when a division, when in 13 games, and then the
13:52next year, that same division goes eight and nine and has a team in, in the play.
13:57So you need to realize whether it would be like that eight wind team, it would be like
14:02the Seahawks of seven and nine thinking.
14:05They're the same.
14:06It's like we're division champions.
14:07Again, if you want a division with 13 games, it's like, yeah, but it wasn't the same team.
14:11So I can't go just because the heat are one position away from where they were last year.
14:17Come on, dude.
14:18They're miles away from where they were last year.
14:20Yes.
14:21But so is the Eastern conference.
14:24Just the bottom of it.
14:26Yeah.
14:27Just the, just the, just the play in all those teams.
14:30All I'm saying is this each year is different.
14:34Okay.
14:35If you take the wins and losses out of it and just put the positioning, how you get
14:40to that position is going to vary from year to year because what is going to qualify for
14:47that position is going to be different from year to year.
14:50My whole point was, is that every year the team we've been, we've had different conversations
14:58because of how the team has been playing.
15:00Okay.
15:01So let me correct that we've had different conversations, but what has been consistent
15:07is most of the last couple of years, the heat have been damn near in the same situation.
15:16Again though, they haven't been because they haven't, they haven't really been like, if
15:21you get into the play in whatever you want to say, you would honestly, you could talk
15:25about the top of the competition to the East.
15:27They were closer to that being in the eighth and they were now, which is basically, they
15:32might as well be the wizards compared to the top of the East.
15:36Yeah.
15:37Even if they're in the same positional spot.
15:39So I don't like that's, that's where you and I just aren't agreeing on this.
15:44Because I think when you play with the play in fire, this is a possibility.
15:50And so now we're here and you can say it's different or not, but I have been consistent
15:58with this.
15:59They might be out of the plan.
16:00I know it's possible for them to be out of the play.
16:03I know.
16:04And all the years past, they were a five game slide of being in that same spot.
16:11But it wasn't, but it was never going to happen.
16:13Like there weren't, you probably hear, I understand it didn't happen, but I'm saying when you
16:21keep playing like this and being in this position, you are a five game slide from being out of
16:29it.
16:30And it happened this year.
16:32For whatever reason.
16:34And all I'm saying is this, you can't keep hovering around average.
16:44And would you agree that I don't care if there were only four games out of the four seed
16:49or three games or two games the last few years, not playing the result.
16:57We have come to this point of the season, even though the team is worse now.
17:01Okay.
17:02We've come to this point of the season talking about, Oh, if we just go on a run, if we just
17:07do this, we'll be the sixth seed or we'd be the fourth seed or we'll be this.
17:11And it's still, they end up around this area.
17:17So like, yeah, the, the, the, the team is worse, but I would say you've been playing
17:25with fire for the last couple of years.
17:28I guess.
17:29Yeah.
17:30Like I would say, if you want to parse it to your spot, say that you think they were
17:34average or slightly above average the last two years.
17:37They're bad.
17:38Now.
17:39Yes.
17:40Yes.
17:41But, but in, in, in, if you want to go, so is the Eastern conference, the, the, the top
17:48two, top six are not bad, right?
17:50They're bad.
17:51Anybody below six is bad, right?
17:55They are bad.
17:56They're not average.
17:57They're not below.
17:58They're not a little above average.
17:59They're not right.
18:00We could get hot.
18:02When you had that, those other years, you could make that argument.
18:06I don't care.
18:07Like, I don't care what you want to say, or you were frustrated with how unjoyful they
18:11were.
18:12They still had a chance.
18:13I agree.
18:14I agree with all of that.
18:16They are closer to the Raptors than they are to the Pistons.
18:19I agree.
18:20I agree with all of that, but I'm saying that the fact still remains, you're still playing
18:26with your food and you're in this position, but they're not playing with their food.
18:31They're not, you lose this many games, lunch money taken.
18:36You play this many games and lose this many leads.
18:39At this point, I can't for the life of me, I want an explanation and I can't give you
18:47a good one.
18:48I can't.
18:49Beauty and the struggle.
18:50No, no, no.
18:51There's not.
18:52That's good.
18:53No, there's not.
18:54No, there's not.