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00:00And this really that we are going to tell you, well, it revolutionized the digital world and it is a form of artificial intelligence that arrives from China,
00:09which was launched on January 20 and that in a few days, in just 8 days, became a success.
00:16So much so that it made, for example, the technological market in the United States tremble,
00:21which of course they have been betting on and very strong on this tool, artificial intelligence.
00:27It's called DeepSeek, it works very, very well, those who have already downloaded this platform say.
00:34And, well, the question is, what is the difference, for example, with other models such as the well-known ChatGPT?
00:42We are in communication with Gustavo Zain, who is listening to us. Good morning, how are you, Gustavo, how are you?
00:49Hi, how are you? Good morning, how are you?
00:51Well, how could you tell us what this DeepSeek is?
00:54Well, it is a chatbot of very good functionality that was launched in the market, at least in stores in the United States,
01:03such as Google Play or Apple Store, and it is available in downloads.
01:07And this Chinese-origin chatbot has a particularity, unlike the rest of the commercial applications that we know,
01:16which is open source. What does it mean?
01:18That one can know, let's explain it in non-technical terms, the functionality of this program,
01:23can improve it, can make contributions, and it is quite crystalline how its algorithm works.
01:29This led to a revolution, not only because it is in the first downloads in the United States,
01:33but because it alerted most of the technology companies in that country.
01:37Wow, even President Trump himself talked about the subject.
01:41Yes, the first thing that is generally done, and this is not in defense of any particular app or country,
01:48is that every time there is a market risk, they are accused of being insecure,
01:52or that it affects the privacy of user data without showing too much evidence.
01:57Here, what happens is that this company has a premium service, which is much cheaper,
02:02let's say, in cost, than the one that offers, for example, OpenAI through ChatGPT.
02:09So, not only does it work very well, it has open source, it can be improved,
02:13but it is a very strong risk of competitiveness for all these companies,
02:17which mixes the issue of cybersecurity and privacy,
02:21which in reality, if you want, if it is open source, it can be seen and it can be improved.
02:25Of course, what you mentioned about the, in quotation marks, transparency of the algorithm,
02:31is something particular, because in general, if there is something that is not the algorithms
02:36that we know, at least so far, not those that they know from a technological point of view
02:40and that they work there, but all the rest of the mortals,
02:42it is the opacity, precisely, of the algorithms.
02:45Nobody wants to tell you how that algorithm works internally.
02:51So, this is a considerable difference.
02:54Totally, and this is nothing more than, let's see, I frame it in the market fight between the United States and China.
03:01The United States, obviously, always strives for what we all agree on,
03:05with freedom of expression, the right to information, free competitiveness,
03:08and that users can choose, but when their interests have been altered,
03:11all these prerogatives begin.
03:13Let's not forget, for example, that a week ago, about 10 days ago,
03:17the Supreme Court of the United States banned TikTok in that country.
03:22China.
03:23Except, exactly, it is also a Chinese application,
03:26except that it sells its North American subsidiary,
03:29adducing security problems, cybersecurity and privacy.
03:32Not proven.
03:34It is a measure that, let's say, Donald Trump just assumed the presidency for 90 days
03:40to see if the purchase can be made.
03:42Let's see, for example, Donald Trump takes this measure because most of his young voters
03:47use TikTok.
03:49Of course, he does not want to put them against it,
03:51and it is exactly a platform that was very, very useful for his campaign.
03:55But hey, there he has the interests found, geopolitically speaking,
04:00of having had, in his assumption, precisely the same day that this DeepSeek platform was launched,
04:09that is, on January 20, the day he assumed the presidency, his second term,
04:14he had in front of him the main pups, if you will, of the cyber world there,
04:22and well, obviously, the links that are so linked,
04:27beyond the current situation with Elon Musk,
04:31but the truth is that it is something that is very important for him,
04:35however, of course, when there is someone from China,
04:39who is his main competitor at the moment,
04:41they start talking about these suspicions.
04:43Do you think that this should be attributed to that,
04:46and not to specific issues of security problems,
04:49or privacy problems in the sensitive data of people?
04:53In this case of DeepSeek, absolutely.
04:56Let's see, I'll add another question to you, right?
04:59You say it very well.
05:00Elon Musk was one of the main contributors,
05:02he was even going to be a government official of Donald Trump,
05:06and during Biden's administration,
05:08when he had made a public and open request
05:12to stop, let's say, the arrival of Chinese companies to North America,
05:16he could have reiterated his interests,
05:18for which he gives you the guideline of two things,
05:20that free competition is fictitious
05:22until you touch your own interests,
05:24and second, that Chinese startups are developing
05:28very good and extremely competitive products,
05:30in a context, in the framework of artificial intelligence,
05:33that companies, which must also be said,
05:35North Americans, from the arrival of ChatGPT,
05:38began to launch chatbots and products to the market
05:42in their beta function without being tested at all,
05:45for which it is not a matter of security.
05:47Of course, it is not that they are protecting users
05:49from eventual risks.
05:51No, absolutely.
05:52Gustavo, did you try it?
05:53Everyone has their own.
05:54I tried it and it works quite well.
05:56And how does it work?
05:57Yes, it works well, and the chatbot is fast,
05:59gives good answers, and as everything is improving.
06:02What I say is not to defend an application,
06:05I think it is a formidable competitor,
06:08and that if one believes in market freedom
06:10and competitiveness, it has to be one more product.
06:13Let's hope not to see news that,
06:15due to cybersecurity or data privacy issues,
06:18the download of this application in the United States is suspended,
06:21because last Monday NASDAQ went down.
06:23Of course, that's why I was saying,
06:25it generated complications, yes, yes, yes,
06:27strong economic complications.
06:28Exactly, there is a geopolitical question,
06:30but also commercial, as you say,
06:32of these technological companies, which are,
06:34in many cases, a support to the candidacy of Donald Trump
06:37and to the government's own management.
06:39What particularities does it have,
06:41what is the difference with, for example,
06:43OpenIA, ChatGPT or other well-known chatbots?
06:48Look, chatbots don't work very similar to each other.
06:52They have, let's see, they offer an answer,
06:55they work on something called a large language model,
06:57from a question, a query,
06:59they offer you an answer, but they are also a search engine,
07:01as is Google, as is Bing, as is Yahoo, as anyone,
07:04because their great database is the Internet.
07:08So I was just reading, sorry,
07:11a note that said, well, DeepSeek allows you
07:14to generate malicious programs,
07:17that is, for example, write me,
07:19program me a virus, to make a joke in the example.
07:23Yes, yes.
07:24Well, ChatGPT does the same thing,
07:26that is, surely there is a blog or something
07:28that we don't know if there is certain information
07:30that has to be used as a source,
07:32and DeepSeek could, I say, of course,
07:35give that answer.
07:36It is solved by patching it.
07:38I say, no, well, this source of information is no longer going,
07:40because I don't want you to find out about this issue.
07:42It happened to ChatGPT,
07:44its beta version was just launched on November 20, 2023,
07:47and surely DeepSeek will do it.
07:49It is not the program that informs you
07:50how to make a malicious program,
07:51but surely, as it is a search engine,
07:54that information is found in a sector of the web,
07:57and I give it as an answer to a possible question.
07:59Sure.
08:00This also happened to him, and it happens to some chatbots.
08:03I think that what has to happen here
08:05is that they compete freely,
08:07that users decide,
08:09based on the best utility,
08:11and that, well,
08:12then the trade war between the United States and China
08:15does not end up affecting users
08:18in terms of the freedom to choose
08:20which applications they can use.
08:22Good, exactly.
08:23Well, yes, that is a fight that is already coming,
08:25even from a technological point of view,
08:27with 5G, I say, it comes from a long time ago.
08:30And it will not stop in this case,
08:33I do not think it will stop.
08:35Gustavo, thank you very much.
08:37No, please.
08:38I send you a hug.