The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 6
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00:00He's so awake right now, huh?
00:02He knows it's party time.
00:03He's like, party!
00:05Well, Jen hasn't been responding to me.
00:08So I'm just going to head over there.
00:09You're going to go just see?
00:10Yeah.
00:11I'm just going to knock on the door.
00:12OK.
00:13Macy's invited all of the girls to go
00:15support her for this pickleball tournament
00:17that she's hosting in Scottsdale, Arizona.
00:19Jen and I were going to ride to the airport together.
00:22And this morning, she's completely MIA.
00:26Technically, I'm not back in mom talk.
00:29But I'm so grateful that Macy invited me on this trip
00:32because it's going to give me the chance to rekindle
00:35and hopefully mend some relationships that
00:37really need mending.
00:40Jen, how are you?
00:43Can I come in?
00:44Yeah.
00:45OK.
00:46Oh, gosh.
00:48I'm sorry.
00:50No, you're fine.
00:51You don't need to apologize for that.
00:53Oh, gosh.
00:54It's been a while.
00:55It looks like fun.
00:57Looks like there was a party here.
01:00This is mostly Zach.
01:02This is Zach trying to convince me.
01:05What, to go?
01:06No, to just eat.
01:10I'm so confused.
01:11When we were talking yesterday, you seemed like everything
01:14was OK.
01:15I think it's just prenatal depression
01:20and a combination of just so many things
01:24that I can't even figure out.
01:25Yeah.
01:26I think I first started feeling depressed when I realized
01:32what needed to change in my life and in my marriage.
01:35But it wasn't until after I found out I was pregnant
01:39that I truly hit rock bottom.
01:42Just some things happened yesterday.
01:45What happened?
01:47I don't even know what happened yesterday.
01:50Oh, Jen.
01:52Oh, my God.
01:59I don't even want to talk about this right now.
02:02You don't have to.
02:03We're just going to try to forget this now.
02:07It's just not OK.
02:10Zach and I were driving in the car.
02:16And I don't know what got into me.
02:20But I just had a thought that I don't want to be here anymore.
02:32Oh, gosh.
02:35I think I just need to take care of myself and my body
02:40so I can be able to take care of this baby
02:43and take care of my kids.
02:46And you're exactly right.
02:48I never thought I would get to this point.
02:55And I don't want anyone to think of me any different.
03:02I feel bad that you're going on the trip.
03:05And I feel bad I can't be there.
03:08Don't feel bad.
03:09Don't feel bad.
03:10You take care of yourself first.
03:12That's the priority, always.
03:14No matter what.
03:15So when somebody asks me, like, hey, why is Jen not here?
03:18Yeah.
03:19What do you want me to say?
03:21Um, yeah, I would just tell them that I'm pregnant and sick.
03:27OK.
03:28Because that's not lying.
03:30That is part of what's going on.
03:32Yeah.
03:33So I'm worried that you're going to miss your flight.
03:36You're fine.
03:37I don't know how comfortable I feel
03:38leaving without Zach being here.
03:41Let me clean up some of this food.
03:43I'm sad Jen's not going to be able to come
03:45to Scottsdale with all of us.
03:46Because it's going to feel like a part of mom talk is missing.
03:49But I think she's making the right decision to focus
03:53and prioritize her mental health.
03:55I don't really know what I can do.
03:57But what I'm going to try and do is just cheer her up.
04:01Oh my gosh, stop.
04:03OK.
04:04Stop.
04:06That's the only thing that has stopped.
04:11You're kidding me.
04:12Oh my god, Jen, no.
04:42Hustle.
04:43Hustle.
04:44Hustle.
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05:06Hustle.
05:07Hustle.
05:08Hustle.
05:09Hustle.
05:11I could get used to traveling like this.
05:14Instantly take it off.
05:16Woo!
05:20Woo!
05:22Oh, stripper pole!
05:23Woo!
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05:39I mean, it could go one or two ways.
05:41Sometimes it's connecting.
05:42Sometimes it's disconnecting.
05:43But I'm really hoping me going on this trip will be a huge turning point with me and the
05:49relationship as a whole and mom talk.
05:51Everyone has to take one go because it's actually really fun.
05:53Yeah, we need to go.
05:54Woo!
05:55Woo!
05:56I thought this was going to be a little life-changing.
05:57Woo!
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07:53I got asked to host the U.S.A. Pickleball Celebrity Tournament in Arizona, and I'm so
07:54excited.
07:55I have a lot planned for this trip.
07:56I hope there are enough distractions to where the girls can just avoid the usual drama and
07:57love one another.
07:58Let's do this, girls.
07:59Woo!
08:00Woo!
08:01It's fancy!
08:02My ass is asleep.
08:03Woo!!!
08:04It has a pool and a hot tub and a big open living room.
08:10So if we're going to fight this weekend,
08:11at least we have a mansion to do it in.
08:13Hi.
08:14Hi.
08:14Thanks for hugging me.
08:16My other friends just went straight to you.
08:18This is nice.
08:20Taylor.
08:21What?
08:22Do you want to be in this room with me?
08:24Look, this can be your bed, Tay.
08:26You can have your own bed.
08:28I don't mind sleeping on the bunk bed.
08:29No, you're postpartum.
08:30No, I don't.
08:31I really don't mind it.
08:32I don't either.
08:32No, I'm going to sleep on the bunk bed.
08:34Honestly, we'll sleep wherever, you guys.
08:35Where'd the girls go?
08:36Grape is my favorite one.
08:37Where'd the saints go?
08:38There's the pickleball queen.
08:41There she is.
08:43We were wondering where you whores were.
08:44You whores.
08:45This is the party room.
08:47It seems like it.
08:48It is going to be.
08:50Not at all.
08:51Yes, question of the day.
08:52Where's Jen?
08:53Well, she's not here.
08:53Well, yeah.
08:54She's back at work.
08:55Where is she?
08:56Where is she and why?
08:57She is pregnant.
08:59I'm shocked to hear that Jen's pregnant.
09:04I don't think it's the ideal time to have a baby
09:06because her and Zach have been struggling.
09:08It is making sense that she's been a little off,
09:11but it doesn't excuse the behavior
09:13and treating your friends badly.
09:14No, I was shocked too.
09:16I don't think it was planned.
09:17It never is planned, but she hasn't like,
09:19they don't protect at all.
09:20So I feel like if you're not protecting, you're planning.
09:22What is Zach thinking with like all the chaos
09:25that's been happening?
09:26A band-aid baby, yay.
09:27What?
09:29All the babies don't band-aid anything.
09:31I am so shocked.
09:33All of us have been pregnant.
09:34All of us have experienced modes of depression.
09:36And I'm just feeling like there's no relatability
09:38going on right now,
09:39just like harping on her for not coming on this trip.
09:43And right now there needs to be more understanding.
09:46Should we go?
09:47Yeah, let's get ready.
09:48Let's go.
09:49Okay, perfect.
09:50Hey.
09:51Half of my suitcase is shoes, by the way.
09:52I feel like I smell like a freaking onion.
09:54I don't think you do.
09:55I think I do.
09:57Yeah.
09:57Ooh.
09:58Ooh, I walked right by them.
09:59Sweet.
10:00I love poppies.
10:01I am obsessed with this.
10:02I'm going with this bad boy, gosh.
10:04Ooh, wait.
10:04I love it.
10:05Wait, this is so cute.
10:06Yeah, cute.
10:07They have a little menu right here.
10:08Serve and sip, the classic dirty pop.
10:10So which one's that one?
10:11This one?
10:12This one.
10:13This one.
10:14Wait, yum.
10:15Is it good?
10:15Yeah.
10:16This smells so good.
10:18Yeah.
10:19Look, he's so cute.
10:21Ooh, they actually have name tags.
10:24Ooh, they actually have name tags.
10:30I'm in the 60s.
10:31They look so good.
10:33Very cute, J.
10:33All right, who's saying the prayer?
10:34Okay, prayer, guys.
10:36Whitney.
10:37Okay, ready?
10:38Dear Heavenly Father,
10:39we're so grateful for this day
10:41and to be able to be together as a MomTalk family.
10:48Please bless this food and bless
10:50that we can clear the air tonight
10:53and just hopefully get even closer than we are now.
10:56And we say this in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
10:58Amen.
10:58You know that ain't gonna happen.
11:00Awful.
11:02Whitney's prayer is hilarious.
11:04Another moment of Whitney's delusion.
11:06She's not a part of MomTalk,
11:08but if she wants to ask for some help
11:10from the man himself,
11:12she can go right ahead.
11:14Start here and I will be right back with more, enjoy.
11:17Well, you and I were like,
11:18going at it.
11:19I loved the burrata and I ate all of it.
11:22With all of the lies and scrutiny going on
11:24within MomTalk lately,
11:25I think I have just the device to get us back on track.
11:27The truth box is back.
11:28I think it's the perfect way
11:30to get everything out in the open.
11:31We all agreed that it was a shit show last time,
11:33but they shouldn't be surprised that I'm doing this
11:36because I love instigating drama.
11:38All right, you guys, I have a surprise.
11:40Another truth box.
11:41Dear God.
11:43Jesse brings out the infamous golden box,
11:46the truth box,
11:48as if we didn't learn our lesson the first time.
11:51I feel like I'm the only one that has a brain anymore.
11:54Truly.
11:54I mean, I honestly thought Jen was going to be here
11:56and I have some things to ask her that I want truths about,
11:58but I actually think that with this group,
12:00like being together, this could be interesting.
12:02So think of some ideas for three and then we'll do it after.
12:07Jesse decided it would be a brilliant idea
12:09to bring another truth box onto this girl's trip.
12:12Hopefully because the one person
12:14that I feel like a lot of people wanted to ask questions to,
12:16Jen, isn't here.
12:18Maybe it'll go better, but I doubt it.
12:21We should go get our jammies on though.
12:23Yeah, I'm just too tired.
12:24Because I want to like get comfortable before we-
12:26I can't find it.
12:27Have fun.
12:32Tal, the tables have turned.
12:33Yeah, so here we are for the truth box.
12:35Cute.
12:36Here comes the sinner.
12:37Here comes the sinner.
12:40All right, you guys, are you ready?
12:41God, no.
12:43I'm really trying to be present
12:44during this girl's trip right now,
12:45but I just can't get Jen off of my mind.
12:48I've just been texting her here and there,
12:50just checking in to make sure she's okay.
12:53All right.
12:54Here we go.
12:56Your first one, how do you feel?
12:58Horrible.
12:59Get me out of here.
13:00Don't lie, you're excited.
13:02So excited.
13:03Jesse, is Jordan's dick really tiny like Jen said?
13:08Okay, I'm going to prove this once and for all.
13:10So,
13:13this isn't inappropriate, don't worry.
13:15All of the girls had heard Jen's depiction
13:17of Jordan's small dick.
13:19So, I gave Jordan a little handy
13:21and we got the ruler out, took a photo.
13:24No, I don't want to see it.
13:26Jesse.
13:27I have to, I have to.
13:27No, it's blurred out, it's blurred out.
13:30You don't want us to see anything.
13:30I don't want us to see anything.
13:31Jesse, get this shit away.
13:32No, no.
13:33Eight inches.
13:34Oh my God.
13:35Right there.
13:36Jesse, that's not fucking blurred out.
13:38You can see the damn tip.
13:39Amen, amen.
13:42Whitney.
13:43Lovely.
13:43Do you actually care about the friendships in this room
13:45or do you care more about how the public perceives you?
13:49I totally get in the past
13:50how it would come across like I don't care
13:52and I'm trying to work on that
13:54to make it seem like I do, because I really do.
13:57Make it seem like you do or you do?
13:59No, no, because that's what I just said,
14:01because I really do.
14:01I'm acting really hard to care about these friendships.
14:04To make it apparent that you care.
14:05Yes, thank you.
14:07Yes.
14:07Demi, did you know that Macy received an anonymous?
14:11Anonymous.
14:12Anonymous confession that said, in quotes,
14:15I slept with Demi's husband last year while she was away.
14:18Holy shit.
14:22Okay.
14:29Demi, did you know that Macy received an anonymous?
14:32Anonymous.
14:33Anonymous confession that said,
14:36I slept with Demi's husband last year while she was away.
14:39Holy shit.
14:41We've been together literally,
14:42or we've been apart I think five days of our marriage.
14:44Holy shit.
14:45And we are together constantly.
14:47If it did happen, it would be like,
14:49okay, sorry you chose that.
14:51I think you always find out.
14:52The truth always comes around, you know?
14:54It does, unfortunately.
14:56I don't know who wrote on the card
14:57that there was a rumor that Brett cheated.
14:59My guess is that they're trying to stir the pot,
15:01and my better guess is that it's someone
15:04who's unhappy in their own relationship.
15:06I'm not biting, and there's no need to even discuss this.
15:09It's silly, and it's not true.
15:12Oh, Jessie, were you really kissing Marciano
15:15at TomTom publicly?
15:16Yes.
15:17Just kidding.
15:18Who is Marciano?
15:19He's the one that was in the villa.
15:19He's from the villa in Italy.
15:21The guy that liked Demi in Italy.
15:23So we all had a friendship.
15:24That's the thing, is we actually all had fun together.
15:26I'm asked about a rumor that I kissed Marciano in TomTom,
15:30which is a bar in LA, publicly.
15:32My first reaction was, if I'm gonna cheat,
15:34I'm not gonna do it publicly,
15:35since that can easily be found out.
15:37So we all went out that night,
15:38and we got stopped by so many people at TomTom and Sur,
15:41and people kept coming up to us and things like that.
15:43And then literally a couple days later,
15:45there were rumors online that we were making out at TomTom.
15:47And I was like, what?
15:49Damn, maybe they just thought I was Demi,
15:51because there were drama with him and her anyway,
15:53and people get us mixed up.
15:55But no, it did not happen.
15:56Also, if I was dumb enough to do that,
15:58I wouldn't do it in public.
15:59The first time I heard about that whole situation,
16:02I didn't believe it for a second,
16:04but I was just kind of messing with Jessie,
16:05and reached out and was like,
16:07oh, when were you guys gonna tell me about this rendezvous?
16:09And just kind of joking around,
16:11knowing that nothing happened.
16:12Yeah, I didn't even see it online.
16:14Oh, well, that's good.
16:15This is how the rumor mill works.
16:17It's just silly to me.
16:18Next question.
16:19Okay, I got one about me,
16:21and this is so funny.
16:21I love garage.
16:23Jessie, are you worried Demi
16:25was willing to take a bigger contract,
16:27even if it meant you potentially being dropped from the show?
16:29We can't run away from this.
16:31I know.
16:31Okay, here we are.
16:33Demi and I did have a falling out a couple of months ago.
16:36It really rocked our friendship.
16:37We had a little disagreement about money.
16:40Demi basically was willing for Jessie to be off the show
16:43if she can kind of get paid more.
16:45Jessie comes out and says,
16:46actually, I'm not gonna walk,
16:47so you can walk to me, but I'm not.
16:50For me, I just said, in my head,
16:51I just don't want money to come between all of us,
16:53and I know that I was on another way of thinking.
16:56Demi gets on a whole nother phone call with Mom Talk.
16:58Demi's like, yeah, fuck Jessie at this point.
17:00Let's push her to the side.
17:02She was talking mad shit.
17:03But I also know I'm in a situation
17:05that's different than everyone.
17:06I think if I was a millionaire, I wouldn't care either.
17:07Yeah, same.
17:10Jessie sits on an empire of this hair business,
17:14and does really well financially,
17:16so it felt a little selfish to me.
17:18Emotions were high, and I understood
17:20that she felt that way.
17:21And I also don't think, and I could be wrong,
17:23but it was like her saying,
17:25specifically kick Jessie off
17:27and just give me a higher paycheck.
17:28You know?
17:29No, she said that.
17:30I'm kidding.
17:31She did say that.
17:32Oh, that's interesting.
17:33Demi was willing to let Jessie
17:35go off the show for more money.
17:37It gave me a bad taste in my mouth,
17:39given that's her best friend.
17:41I do think Jessie is very forgiving to Demi,
17:44and I can't quite understand why.
17:48Whitney, do you still not regret
17:51not going to Macy's Baby Mama launch?
17:55I feel like if I didn't make the mistake,
17:58I wouldn't have known how to make things right.
18:00Did you regret it, or do you not?
18:01That's what it said.
18:03But-
18:04Is it a yes or no?
18:05I'm saying no.
18:06Because I'm saying if I didn't make the mistake,
18:08I wouldn't have known how to make it right.
18:11I just feel like I would say I regret it,
18:13but wish I handled it differently.
18:14I get that.
18:16Hearing that Whitney still doesn't regret
18:18coming to my Baby Mama event actually has me shocked,
18:21because I feel like I've done a lot
18:22to try to get her back into mom talk,
18:24to bring her on the group.
18:25I mean, I didn't even have to invite her
18:26on this Arizona trip, but I did,
18:27because I'm trying to be a good friend,
18:29and so it feels like she doesn't care
18:31about what she did to hurt me.
18:33Okay.
18:34Oh,
18:36Mikaela.
18:37Do you ever see you and Whitney working things out?
18:40I do not.
18:41Don't take the next slide.
18:44Forgiveness may be godly,
18:45but I feel like so is sticking up for yourself,
18:48especially when someone has had a million chances.
18:50I feel like I've reached the tipping point
18:52of putting up with people's shit.
18:54I'm trying to protect mom talk and my own peace.
18:57I said I'm fine to be cordial, but I don't,
18:58I mean, that's us working it out.
19:01Fair.
19:02All right.
19:03Guys, you made it through.
19:04Yeah.
19:04We done?
19:05Oh, we did it.
19:06We did it.
19:07Wow.
19:14Okay, you guys, I saw a girl on TikTok
19:15who said she was in the ER about to get a surgery
19:17because she said she got jackhammered too hard
19:19and it twisted her ovary or something.
19:22Twisted.
19:22Wow, wow, wow.
19:24Jackhammered?
19:25I looked it up.
19:26Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
19:27But it's also a position.
19:28What's the position?
19:29I thought it, wasn't it the leg up one?
19:32How uncomfortable.
19:34Let me get you on the big end.
19:36I want to have a conversation with Macy
19:38because I thought we were good,
19:39but with how Macy reacted during truth box,
19:43maybe I don't know where we stand.
19:46Ooh.
19:48It ain't crispy enough yet.
19:49Yummy, yummy.
19:50So I'm flipping it and we're putting her back in.
19:55How are you?
19:56Fine, how are you?
19:58I wanted to talk to you about last night,
20:01the question that was asked.
20:03I was shocked by your reaction to it.
20:07I was like, oh, so she still
20:08is holding this grudge against me.
20:09It's not a grudge, it's more just like the guard,
20:11my guard is still up.
20:12Like, do you see where I'm coming from
20:14when I say I wasn't in the mental place?
20:17You can still regret something.
20:18How can I regret that if I was in that space?
20:21Speaking of like, oh, I regret that I wasn't there.
20:23For me, a regret is like, no, I intentionally did this,
20:26so I'm gonna go and hurt this person.
20:29No, I don't think that's what regret is.
20:31Really, are we getting into semantics here?
20:33Don't act like you don't know what the word regret means.
20:36It's literally in the dictionary.
20:37Like, how is she still not getting it?
20:39I don't understand.
20:40Nobody wanted me there.
20:41Nobody wanted me, that's you, not the rest of the women.
20:44I know, but the night was about me.
20:46You didn't have to be with them.
20:47I understand that, but what do you think
20:48would have happened if I went?
20:50You could have shut up, said hi to me,
20:51and left, not even talk to any of them,
20:53not said one word, like, that's what it meant to me.
20:55You're right, and you know what, you're right.
20:56When he's like raising his voice,
20:58I'm like, I feel like it's a true character
20:59that's coming out.
21:01When I was literally in the darkest space of my life,
21:03my son's father just died.
21:06I was a maid of honor in two weddings, and so.
21:09Oh, Mace.
21:11It's just hard because I feel like
21:14I always show up for my friends,
21:16even when I'm in the darkest, like, trenches in my life,
21:18and then it almost seems like you wanna be right
21:20more than, like, validating how I feel.
21:23Okay, I'm sorry that comes across that way.
21:25I'm not trying to be stubborn.
21:26Every time we have this conversation,
21:28I get more confused every single time.
21:30Like, I don't know what else to do at this point.
21:32Do you feel like the way that you've felt about me
21:36or not being able to move past this
21:37is because of the way that Mikaela talks about me?
21:40Why, I've always been someone in the middle,
21:42and I'm like, I don't.
21:43No one's gonna tell me who to be friends with.
21:45I feel like you're, like,
21:46projecting all the stuff that's happened,
21:48and it's not just between me and you right now.
21:50Okay.
21:51So that's why I'm confused.
21:52I'm like, are you saying this to me,
21:53or are you saying this in general?
21:54I just.
21:55I think it all stems from the past.
21:56It all is coming from the past.
21:57And that's fine, like, whatever.
22:00But I'm just saying.
22:01Like, I miss what we had.
22:03Yeah.
22:04And I don't know how to get that back.
22:05Yeah.
22:06Because I'm someone that clearly doesn't want me there
22:08in that space.
22:10I can't change the past,
22:11and honestly, I don't wanna talk about this any further.
22:14So I'm just ready to move forward.
22:15Hopefully the girls can see that if I'm able
22:18to forgive Whitney and move on despite what she did,
22:21then they should hopefully be able to as well.
22:23I'm open to friendships and, like, being friends.
22:26I'm not against that.
22:27I know.
22:28So I just want you to know that.
22:30I love you.
22:32I love you too.
22:33I really just, I'm sweaty, so.
22:36It's the natural deodorant.
22:37It just drips right off me.
22:39It's a little too crispy now.
22:41He wants some beef jerky.
22:44All we're having is meat.
22:45Yeah.
22:46Oh, there's grapes.
22:47Yeah, there's grapes.
22:48I'll take this one.
22:52Are you guys good?
22:53Yeah.
22:54No, I heard you guys chit-chatting a little bit.
22:57Yeah.
22:58I'm curious how it ended.
22:59Fine.
23:00That's good.
23:02You guys can talk behind my back in there.
23:02I'm not talking about you.
23:04I literally sat there and listened to it.
23:06We can hear you.
23:08I just feel like you're intentionally hurting me,
23:10like doing stuff to intentionally hurt me.
23:11I'm not, I'm pulling you out on your shit.
23:12You're still justifying your own behavior.
23:15I'm not justifying it.
23:16I said I didn't fuck up.
23:17You still can't sit here and take accountability
23:19and not say, well, this is my truth of it.
23:21And it was just the place I was in, so sorry, it sucks.
23:24I have taken accountability for every fucking thing.
23:29Have you?
23:30Tell me one thing that I haven't taken accountability for.
23:32I think everyone can go down the table
23:34and tell you one thing.
23:35Kate, let's fucking do it.
23:38I want to understand where you're coming from.
23:40And I'm saying, let's get the accountability
23:43from every single person, because I do want to know.
23:45I fucking do want to own up to it.
23:47Great, Demi, what have I not done?
23:49Please, I want to know, so I genuinely can own up to it.
23:53Please, because I know how I fucked up.
23:56Does everyone feel comfortable doing that?
23:57Because I really want to know.
23:58I don't think anyone cares
23:59to have an actual friendship with you.
24:09I think everyone can go down the table and tell you one.
24:11Kate, let's fucking do it.
24:13Go ahead, Macy.
24:14I'm laying in bed trying to sleep
24:16because I am a single mom of three
24:18and sleep is very rare for me.
24:20I can hear raised voices in the kitchen
24:22and I honestly want nothing to do with it.
24:26Whatever that is, it can wait.
24:28And I really just want to go back to bed.
24:32Going into a conversation and hashing out
24:34all of the behavior and the patterns and the things
24:37to me is contradictory to where I'm at
24:41with our friendship, so I don't see the point.
24:44But then we're all still saying,
24:46you need to take accountability.
24:47And it's like, well, I'm trying to,
24:49but you don't want to have a conversation.
24:51Because you owe people that conversation, though.
24:53We didn't unfollow you.
24:54It's like, you're doing these things,
24:56you're leaving the group chat, you're following everyone,
24:57you're disrespecting everyone to come to you
24:58and be like, well, have a conversation with me
24:59if you have a problem.
25:00That's not true.
25:01I'm trying to make an effort to have a conversation.
25:04I'm sure you did.
25:04You're like, well, no, you could have reached out to me.
25:06You could have called me, but I don't want people to call me.
25:07But why did no one call me?
25:08What the actual fuck?
25:09No, I'm saying, please, can I please?
25:11It's on camera.
25:12I watched it.
25:13Okay, great.
25:14That's what you did.
25:15I'm saying now, I would love to have a conversation
25:16with each person, which I tried to do
25:17at the beginning of the season.
25:19And the only person.
25:20When the cameras are here.
25:21The only person, yeah, no fucking shit.
25:22We're on a reality show, Mikayla.
25:24What the fuck?
25:24So don't talk down to me,
25:25because if you're going to be disrespectful,
25:26you can leave.
25:27Okay, well then, vice fucking versa.
25:28Don't talk down to me.
25:30I'm not talking down to you.
25:30I'm holding you accountable for your shit,
25:32because you can't see it yourself.
25:33Right, okay.
25:34I think what Mikayla's saying
25:36is that we all recognize the behavior.
25:38Yeah.
25:39We recognize the patterns.
25:40There's been multiple times where she'll be like,
25:42well, she's told me that she feels really bad about that.
25:44And we're like, well, that's great she told you
25:46that she feels bad about what she did to Jesse,
25:47but like, she needs to tell Jesse.
25:49Yeah.
25:50But then when you sit down and have a conversation,
25:51it's like, I don't understand what I feel bad for.
25:53Sorry, that was just an example.
25:54I'm going to go grab the cologne here,
25:55and I'm going to start your hair while we wait.
25:56Okay, thank you, yeah.
25:57Because I have to leave at one.
25:59Yeah.
26:00So I have to get ready.
26:01It is just baffling.
26:03The amount of offenses that this woman has under her belt.
26:07But I'm choosing to kind of like recognize the effort
26:10and move forward.
26:11But I understand why Mikayla's not there yet.
26:14I think it's going to come down to self-reflection
26:16and healing for you, honestly.
26:17Because no matter how many times we sit here and tell you,
26:20she just wants to hear that you care.
26:22She just wants to hear that you regret that.
26:24It's not sinking in.
26:26And that's concerning.
26:29I initially was very excited
26:31and happy to be invited on this girls' trip.
26:33But I'm not going to lie,
26:35these girls are getting so deep,
26:36and it's becoming apparent
26:38that there's a lot of history here, a lot of resentment.
26:41And I can't help but wonder
26:43if this is what women supporting women looks like,
26:46because it certainly doesn't feel like it.
26:47I see both sides, I do.
26:50If I said to you to hang out, you'd go hang out with me?
26:52Of course, Whitney.
26:53Really?
26:55I can see and feel certain relationships
26:58in mom talk moving forward, especially with Demi.
27:00I appreciate everyone being so willing
27:02to have these conversations.
27:04Obviously not Mikayla.
27:05I don't think she'll ever want to accept my apology.
27:07And I mean, like, isn't that what we preach in mom talk?
27:11Forgiveness?
27:12Well, I just wanted to let you guys know
27:15that I did schedule us a club tonight,
27:16and it's super cute.
27:18It's called, like, Cake.
27:19And it says, like, let them eat cake.
27:20And it's, like, it's a super cute, like, nightclub.
27:22So Macy can come for that.
27:23We'll go to dinner, and then we'll go that.
27:24Cute.
27:25Okay.
27:26Love it.
27:27I think my thing will go a little bit longer,
27:28so I'll meet you at the restaurant.
27:29Wait, so we're not even hanging out with you
27:30at the pickleball thing?
27:30I think you can.
27:32I know you guys have, like, a VIP section
27:34that they reserved for you guys.
27:35So that you're a working girl.
27:37But mommy has to work.
27:43Do you want to put on some deodorant
27:44so you're not stinky?
27:46Stinky.
27:47Okay.
27:48You know where this one goes?
27:50Where does it go?
27:50It goes right there.
27:52Under your armpit.
27:54Jen hasn't been doing well.
27:56She's been having a hard time getting out of bed.
27:59And we just realized we needed to get Jen the help
28:03she needs to honestly get better
28:05and get to a more stable place.
28:07Okay, should we do your hair now?
28:09Okay.
28:14It's been really hard.
28:16We just started being pregnant with our next child
28:18and having two children trying to show up for them.
28:21And I think when you face a really serious
28:24mental health crisis,
28:26you kind of take a step back and realize what,
28:30what really matters.
28:31Come hop on my shoulders and we'll go up and see mama.
28:34Hold on tight.
28:41There she is.
28:44You guys want to say good morning to mama?
28:49How are you feeling?
28:50I'm feeling awful.
28:53Zach is trying to support me in what I need,
28:57but it's been a lot.
28:58It's been for sure
29:03one of the hardest seasons of my life,
29:05physically and mentally.
29:08Whether it's prenatal depression or postpartum,
29:11I think a lot of mothers feel like
29:15they don't deserve help,
29:16but in reality, like we need help too.
29:20As of right now,
29:21I need to take a step back from mom talk
29:26and solely focus on my mental health and this baby
29:30so I can be the best version of myself
29:34for everyone around me.
29:37I'm sorry sweetie.
29:41I'm sorry.
30:11Look at your ass in the sun, man.
30:15Macy is hosting this celebrity pickleball event
30:17and it's so cool to see this full circle moment for her.
30:21She was a BYU tennis athlete
30:23and now she's hosting this event that's on TV
30:25and she's just in her element.
30:27Wait, is it instant or backstreet boy?
30:29Which one?
30:30Instant.
30:31Okay.
30:36Being a star athlete and now turning that
30:38into hosting an event like this
30:40is just so exciting and inspiring.
30:49It just feels good when you see your friends support you.
30:51That's the part of mom talk that I love
30:53is that we can always be there to support each other
30:55regardless of who hates who in the group.
31:04Hi, I have a reservation under Macy Neely.
31:08This is cute.
31:10I'm just flying, y'all.
31:19Ladies, welcome to Call Up.
31:20We are so happy to have y'all here.
31:22What is it?
31:23Perfect, so this is a mocktail shot of the Mango Amore.
31:26Okay guys, how are we feeling about today?
31:29Well, I was actually gonna ask,
31:31how do you think last night went?
31:32Like the true thoughts.
31:34It was awkward at times, but.
31:36Wait, I had a question about last night though.
31:38With Demi asking you to be out of the show
31:42because of the money.
31:44Sorry, like I just still don't,
31:46like what really happened?
31:47This morning, I thought I was definitely in the hot seat.
31:50So now I think the best way to like get the heat off
31:53my relationship with Mikaela
31:55is to focus on Demi and Jessie's drama.
31:58Give me the details.
31:59Tell me all the nitty gritty.
32:00I wanna know.
32:01It was a call with our lawyer and managers
32:03and literally like I got on and I heard Brett
32:05and I was like, wait, wait, wait.
32:06I don't want you speaking for me.
32:08We had had like a mutual understanding
32:09that we were gonna come in like fighting
32:11for everything as a united front.
32:13And then we felt like she dogged us
32:15and like went around us and was like,
32:16I'm gonna get whatever I want.
32:17So we were like, okay, well, fuck it.
32:19Then we're gonna do the same thing.
32:20You deserve to fight for more,
32:22but that doesn't mean you deserve to get paid more.
32:24I've also been told that you think you deserve
32:26the biggest brand deals.
32:27And I'm curious to why you think you deserve that.
32:29I never said that one time.
32:31I heard that too.
32:32I heard that too.
32:33I actually heard that too.
32:36It's not a shock that I was a fan favorite.
32:39Like, I feel like I'm an asset.
32:40I should fight for more.
32:41Demi wasn't even originally gonna be casted for the show.
32:45Do you really think that you're the star?
32:49You're the star?
32:50Nah, I don't agree with that.
32:52In what world are you putting yourself on this pedal?
32:56So what makes you that person?
32:58Yes, MomTalk is a business,
33:00but it is a lot more than that.
33:02It's a sisterhood.
33:02It's a support system.
33:04However, I think Demi has let the money side
33:06and greed go to her head,
33:08where that comes first
33:10and then everyone can fend for themselves.
33:11And that to me is not a genuine friendship at all.
33:15And no offense,
33:16but you wouldn't have never had this opportunity
33:19without me.
33:21No, I understand that.
33:22And so when I'm hearing these things,
33:23she deserves the most,
33:24I'm like, I'm the one that was almost in a mental hospital
33:26because I opened up.
33:28I am the most vulnerable.
33:29I actually don't-
33:30But at the same time, like-
33:31Can you let me finish talking?
33:33You wanna let me finish talking?
33:35So you're coming at her,
33:36so I'm gonna like defend her in that situation.
33:38You can defend her when I'm done talking.
33:42Okay, so I don't think it's fair.
33:44When I'm on the floor freaking dying,
33:46opening up to the world,
33:48and then I think some people aren't as open
33:50and aren't as vulnerable
33:51and sharing their actual shit that's going on
33:53behind closed doors deserve to be paid more
33:55because they're not being vulnerable.
33:56They're only being served a space
33:57at a dinner table creating drama.
34:00I'm the one that's actually struggling
34:01because I'm open to the fucking world.
34:03If anyone has a right to be paid the most,
34:04it's me and I've never even asked for that, ever.
34:07Go ahead.
34:16Yeah, there's nothing you can say, so yeah.
34:20And I wouldn't be willing to kick someone off either.
34:22Where I went wrong was being willing to knock her off,
34:26but that came from a place of us being in a bad place.
34:30But I think you were willing to knock her off
34:31and probably anyone else at that point.
34:33No, that's not true.
34:35So if I felt the exact same,
34:37you would have been willing to kick her off, but not me?
34:39No, absolutely not.
34:41Demi calling me expendable and basically replaceable
34:44really hurt my feelings.
34:45And hearing that Demi also values Taylor over me
34:48on the show hurts my feelings as well
34:50because yes, Taylor got us here,
34:52but we all have something to offer in mom talk
34:54and it's hard not to feel resentful.
34:56I don't know.
34:57I mean, at the end of the day,
34:59it's just, I think we're all a team
35:00and we've all brought so much to the table.
35:03I'm all for sharing the spotlight.
35:05I don't care to have it.
35:08I love Demi and I've always seen her as a great friend.
35:11However, there is this side to her that worries me.
35:15Just seeing that Demi did that to Jesse,
35:17who's supposed to be her closest friend,
35:19definitely makes me feel like I can't fully trust her.
35:22We'll talk about it more later when we're not screaming.
35:24Okay, as the leader of mom talk,
35:26I'd like to raise a toast to new beginnings,
35:28open communication, and fertility.
35:31And fertility.
35:32Fertility.
35:34Fertility for all.
35:35Fertility.
35:36And no more babies for you.
35:37Only for you on that one.
35:41That's steep.
35:42That is.
35:43That was so yummy.
35:44This was a stiff mocktail.
35:47What about your stuff?
35:48Like, are you guys still planning on doing the treatments
35:50or like figuring it out?
35:51We've kind of just started back at like square one
35:54because we don't have answers.
35:56Brett and I have been trying to get pregnant
35:58for about four years now.
36:00I definitely pushed for Brett to go in
36:01and get his sperm checked.
36:03The first time we went to the men's clinic,
36:04his sperm was basically dead.
36:06In May, you were 52 million
36:07and then October, you're 25 million.
36:09I do suspect it's gonna keep going down.
36:11I also struggle with endometriosis
36:13and we didn't wanna jump to surgery.
36:16And so there's been a lot of holistic things we've done.
36:18We've both done a lot of energy healing.
36:20Go ahead and charge that heart up through our genitals.
36:23Fill up your lungs and let out an audible exhale.
36:30It is so like taxing
36:34and like emotionally draining.
36:37Like it's, because you can't figure out like what's going on.
36:42Um.
36:52It's more like how bad Maude wants his sibling
36:58and how bad I want that with someone
37:02that I'm like in love with.
37:04And the first go around was hell.
37:07So there's a lot of me that feels like I needed to heal
37:11and move forward.
37:14I do feel like Demi's tears are genuine.
37:16I feel like her journey with having a baby
37:18has put a lot of strain on her and her relationships
37:21but it is still concerning to see the side of her
37:24that she's willing to kick Jesse out of MomTalk
37:26for more money for herself.
37:28Anyway, yeah, so sorry about that.
37:31Stop saying sorry.
37:33Did I wreck my face?
37:34You just have two streaks, that's fine.
37:36Woo, let's go.
37:38Let's go.
37:38Let's shake our bodies and get warm.
37:41Tonight's the last night in Scottsdale, Arizona.
37:43So it's time to hit the clubs.
37:45Shake all that.
37:47Jesse is drained and Taylor's tired.
37:50So Jesse and Taylor are gonna go back to the house
37:53while the rest of us hit the dance floor.
38:01I just wanna put all of this drama behind me,
38:04go to this club and have the time of my life.
38:07I love doing stuff like this with the girls.
38:09It reminds me and hopefully them
38:11why we became friends in the first place.
38:13I'm ready to shake my little tail feather.
38:22Mormons aren't just sitting around
38:24reading their Book of Mormons at night.
38:25We don't drink, but we love to dance.
38:29Let loose, no drama.
38:30The music will be too loud to even talk.
38:32So that's perfect.
38:33There won't be any fighting.
38:34That was fun.
38:35After a party.
38:37We're having a twerk off.
38:38I feel like we're gonna twerk it.
38:41I apologize.
38:42I will easily be winning a twerking contest.
38:45Okay, let's see your twerks.
38:51I'm not seeing it.
38:53It's about to get wild.
38:55It's about to get wild.
38:57It's about to go down.
39:00Are you ready for it?
39:01Are you ready for it?
39:02About to get wild, about to get wild.
39:04About to get wild, about to get wild.
39:06Mikayla!
39:11Now let's say a member who's in first place.
39:15It's you, Mikayla.
39:19I think ego and jealousy gets in the way
39:21of so many good things, especially friendships.
39:23And with women all online making content together,
39:26it's like what happened last year.
39:27Like, who's the new leader?
39:29It has to be Whitney or Taylor.
39:30Do you feel like there's an element of that
39:33in our group still?
39:34Who do you think it would be?
39:36Competitive?
39:38All of us?
39:39Yeah.
39:40What about Demi?
39:40Are you like, cause you were talking about that
39:41at dinner tonight a little bit,
39:42how like you're good at reading energy.
39:46Yeah, I could say yes.
39:48I would say there's probably some inside a little bit.
39:50Like competitiveness or jealousy?
39:55Both.
39:56Okay.
39:57Come here and touch my body.
39:58Nothing to lose, I'm on.
40:00I'm getting really lonely.
40:03Okay.
40:03Bum, top, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
40:13We do look alike when we're side by side.
40:15You guys want to guess who won the twerking contest
40:17in the bus?
40:18Me.
40:19I guess it was you.
40:20So does anyone want a hot tub?
40:23Naked.
40:23Naked.
40:24Naked.
40:25Demi, you better be naked in there.
40:29For what?
40:30Are you ever kidding me?
40:31Oh, Brett's fucking too.
40:39Cameras are still on and we're just filming right now.
40:41I was just taking off my makeup and about to rinse.
40:43But I'll call you right back.
40:44Rinse?
40:45Are you going in the hot tub?
40:47No.
40:48Okay, good.
40:49Well, Demi was going skinny dipping.
40:51That was the point.
40:52She had already decided she was doing it.
40:54And then I guess she had sent a text to Brett saying,
40:57hey, like just letting you know,
41:00I'm going to go skinny dipping, whatever.
41:01But then she got a phone call.
41:03And so then she decides not to skinny dip.
41:06Demi kind of gives people crap for being controlled
41:10by their spouses and partners.
41:12And hers does that.
41:16I'm actually surprised you don't want to skinny dip.
41:20Since when do you want to keep your clothes on?
41:23I'm kidding.
41:25How uncomfortable and like inappropriate
41:29for me to be stripping down naked on national television,
41:32knowing that like my step kids
41:34are going to be seeing this at home.
41:38I mean, you always are.
41:39So that's why I'm like,
41:40I don't know why I don't want to go skinny dipping.
41:47I just don't want to do it.
41:48I have BV.
41:49What's BV?
41:50It's bacterial vaginosis.
41:53You would smell it.
41:54What?
41:55She has it bad.
41:57Smell it?
41:57You can smell it.
41:58I don't have BV.
41:59I was lying.
42:00I didn't want to go skinny dipping.
42:01Now leave me alone.
42:02What?
42:03Let's go.
42:04Oh yeah.
42:05I've skinny dipped plenty in my day.
42:08Not my first rodeo.
42:09Let's go.
42:10Let's, let's do it.
42:11We're ready.
42:12Okay.
42:13Ah!
42:18She looks good.
42:18Okay, ready?
42:20Oh, the pool.
42:21It's warm.
42:22Ready?
42:23One, two, three.
42:33Go down the slide.
42:34Go down the slide.
42:36I do feel like with all the drama going on in this trip,
42:38it's time for a little warming girls gone wild.
42:42When I first started Mom Talk,
42:43it was supposed to be about friendship and fun.
42:46I do feel like this trip has brought a lot to the surface
42:51where I have to question what are Demi's intentions.
42:54We all need to be aware of her motives
42:57and why she's really here.
42:59They all have boob jobs.
43:00Oh my God.
43:01Those boobs look good.
43:06The great Mormon bake off.
43:09I made a pumpkin pie.
43:10This is Joseph Smith.
43:11Homemade sourdough.
43:13The penises did not bother me.
43:18How are you and Taylor doing?
43:19I have to like just take care of myself now.
43:22Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist
43:25to try to keep Jen and other people from talking.
43:28Jen needs Mom Talk more than ever,
43:30but I just don't really know
43:31who to trust with this information.
43:34The Sinner Sunday confessional
43:36about Brett cheating on me is so far fetched
43:38and I know the truth always comes to light
43:40and if something were to happen,
43:41I would eventually find out and deal with it then.
43:44I don't understand why something that's not true
43:46would bother you.