The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 10
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00:00G-I-R-L-S, it's my girls and yes, we came to step.
00:07G-I-R-L-S, it's my girls and yes, ah, ah.
00:11This is for the girls, this is for the girls.
00:14All around the world, all around the world.
00:16If you wanna come get, come get, come get, come get,
00:19come get, come get, come get, come get, come get, get.
00:23OK.
00:24Hi.
00:24How are you?
00:25How are you?
00:26Oh, I'm good.
00:27Good.
00:27I brought you a little present.
00:29Oh, my gosh.
00:29Let me open it.
00:31Just because you weren't at the girls' trip and we missed you.
00:33So I wanted to bring you something back from New Orleans.
00:36That's so nice of you.
00:38Open it.
00:38Look at it.
00:39Let me hold baby.
00:40I feel really bad that I didn't stick up for Taylor
00:42at the Staten Center's party and in New Orleans.
00:44And I'm honestly really sick of Demi's behavior recently.
00:47And I want to make up for not being able to stick up for her
00:49and be a better friend.
00:50And that's all going to start with beignets.
00:52How was the trip?
00:54It was good.
00:56New Orleans is definitely different.
00:58Oh, beignets.
00:59Oh, how fun.
01:00It's like you have New Orleans at home.
01:01Cute.
01:02You don't even have to leave Utah.
01:04Do you want me to grab him back or?
01:06Honestly, I'll take him.
01:07OK.
01:07I'm obsessed with him.
01:08That'd be great.
01:08Adore him.
01:10Single mom life, it's so freaking hard.
01:12Yeah.
01:12I just know he's, like, so tired.
01:15But he fights sleep, so.
01:17So, like, what was your reasoning for not coming?
01:21I just felt like with the Staten Center party,
01:24I felt very, like, alone.
01:26So I feel like I didn't want to go into a trip
01:29being in that same spot.
01:31And then I feel like with Demi, like, bringing up, like,
01:33my lowest point in my life is just insane.
01:36So should we talk about the way that you
01:37treat your boyfriend?
01:39It's not OK.
01:40He has some of my history.
01:41Let's go ask Dakota.
01:43Go out and bring him.
01:44I'm going to protect your ever in this situation.
01:47She went to a different level.
01:48And so I just felt like I didn't want to be in a house
01:51with her for the weekend.
01:52Yeah.
01:54OK.
01:57A little jumper.
01:59Those things are the best.
02:00I know.
02:01Because it keeps them contained.
02:02I think definitely there's, like, hard feelings
02:05that she has towards you still.
02:06Because in Marlene, she said that, like,
02:08if you're in Montauk, then, like,
02:10she would, like, leave Montauk.
02:12Bitch, what?
02:13Like, you're a bully.
02:14In what world?
02:15Not only to me, but half the group.
02:17You are not some saint that you think you are.
02:20Yeah.
02:21No, she needs Jesus.
02:23It's true.
02:24Hi.
02:25Hey.
02:26I was going to come get the door,
02:27but I know you always walk in.
02:28Oh, hey.
02:29How's it going?
02:30You look pretty.
02:31Oh, you're so nice.
02:32Oh, just working today, so.
02:34Oh, are you?
02:35How's everything going with you?
02:36I haven't seen you in a minute.
02:37Good.
02:38I'm just filling her in on New Orleans drama.
02:39Oh.
02:40Was there a lot of drama?
02:41I think just, to me, has a lot of very harsh
02:46feeling towards Tay right now.
02:48And just basically, like, her general consensus
02:52was just that if Taylor's in Montauk,
02:54she doesn't want to be in Montauk.
02:55No way.
02:56Yeah.
02:57Oh, my.
02:58Well, let her go.
02:59Hey.
03:00Hey.
03:01Hey, buddy.
03:02You want to get out?
03:03Hey, buddy.
03:04I'm trying to talk.
03:05You said, I am a musician.
03:06He's so cute.
03:07So I guess, with that being said,
03:08I feel like it's going to make things, like, super awkward
03:10that she's throwing the Christmas party.
03:14But it's, like, her thing.
03:18What?
03:20Babe, I don't think you're going to go to that.
03:22Why?
03:23Demi probably doesn't want you there.
03:25Then why did she invite me?
03:27I think that she may have accidentally invited you,
03:31that she maybe forgot you were on that group thread,
03:33and then sent out the invite.
03:37What?
03:38I don't know what he's trying to do or where he's going.
03:40Did you already buy your dress and everything to go?
03:43Yeah, I had everything planned.
03:45That sucks.
03:46Yeah.
03:47It's unfortunate, because it's just, like,
03:48I feel like she's trying to turn everyone against me,
03:51and I don't like that.
03:53I wouldn't either.
03:54The only thing less Mormon than being uninvited
03:57to a Christmas party would be uninvited to a baby blessing,
04:00and both have happened to me.
04:01And I feel like karma's a bitch,
04:03so I'm going to let it do its thing.
04:05I'm not going to tell you not to come to the Christmas party.
04:08I think that's your say.
04:09You're a grown woman,
04:10and you can make your own decisions for yourself.
04:12But I will say that it probably won't go over well
04:16if you do come.
04:17Or I can just go crash their party for you.
04:21I'll put my boxing gloves on.
04:23Just kidding.
04:24I would never really want to go to a party that I'm uninvited to,
04:27but I'm not letting Jimmy off the hook that easily.
04:30If you want to push me out,
04:32you're going to have to say it to my face.
04:34Come on!
04:47I'm the one you've been dreaming of
04:50I got everything you could ever want
04:54Try me and you'll see
04:56I'll bring you to your knees
04:58Baby, you're going to believe
05:00Make us happy
05:02Love temptation
05:04Make us happy
05:06Love temptation
05:08Love temptation
05:17Christmas without a party
05:20Fa-la-la-la-la-la-la-la
05:23All I want for Christmas is
05:25Fa-la-la-la-la-la-la-la
05:27A pink Bentley
05:29Fa-la-la-la-la-la-la-la
05:32Jump in and take it back
05:35Fa-la-la-la-la-la-la-la
05:38After New Orleans, it's just been so noisy and chaotic,
05:42and I'm wanting to wrap up the year of mom talk in a positive way.
05:48Hello!
05:50Shut up!
05:52You look stunning!
05:54You look amazing!
05:56I love this color on you.
05:59Hi!
06:00Hello!
06:01Welcome!
06:02Hi!
06:04Gorgeous!
06:05No, like, literally, I don't know who you are.
06:08What?
06:09I'm, like, weirded out.
06:10I'm, like, I don't...
06:11You really don't look like yourself.
06:14I have vocally expressed how I don't really see a need for Taylor in mom talk.
06:20I don't know where everyone else kind of falls in with that,
06:23but I am just hoping that this night proves we're better off without her
06:27and that we can experience a new place that we've never been before.
06:30Oh, they got blankets.
06:31It's so pretty. The lake.
06:33Yeah, it's so pretty.
06:34The snow.
06:35To me, even the red coat.
06:37You're so monochromatic today.
06:39You look like a mob wife.
06:40I know!
06:41So fancy.
06:42I know.
06:43I'm glad you guys were all born.
06:44Fulfilling my fantasy.
06:46Everyone looks so cute!
06:48Oh, shit!
06:49Are you okay?
06:50She went down!
06:51Hi!
06:52How are you?
06:53Good.
06:54He's inside feeding Billy.
06:55I know.
06:56Okay, we have to go inside.
06:57Like, my toes are literally going to fall.
06:59Hi!
07:00Oh, my God, you look amazing!
07:02You guys look amazing!
07:03Whoa!
07:06I'm going to bust out some champagne for those that want it.
07:09I know you two are pregnant.
07:10We get first dibs!
07:12Yeah!
07:16I love champagne.
07:17Did you get real champagne?
07:18Yeah, I did.
07:19I've never had champagne.
07:20Can we do a little toast really quick?
07:23I always feel like these events are supposed to be fun,
07:25but Demi's basically trying to kick Taylor out of Mom Talk
07:28and it's putting all of us in an uncomfortable situation
07:31between her and Taylor, and it just doesn't feel fair.
07:33Thank you all for coming tonight.
07:34This was such a special night.
07:36Cheers to another year of Mom Talk surviving
07:40and to many more years to come.
07:43Love you all.
07:44Merry Christmas!
07:46Cheers!
07:47Hold, hold, hold, hold!
07:48Perfect.
07:49P.S. Dad talk.
07:50So far, so good.
07:52Tonight is going amazing.
07:54Oh, more meatballs.
07:55Perfect.
07:56I feel like there's going to be minimal drama because Taylor's not here.
08:01And things are looking up for us right now.
08:06Oh, wait, I want a chicken.
08:07What are you guys whispering about?
08:08Don't you know what our whole group is known for?
08:10Secrets.
08:12Okay, let's go set.
08:22Hi, Leah!
08:23Hello!
08:24Hi!
08:25How are you?
08:26Good.
08:27Oh, shit.
08:28What are you doing?
08:31Just coming to drop off a present.
08:34Do you come bearing gifts?
08:36Yes.
08:37Who is this for?
08:38For you, from Taylor.
08:39What the hell is Leanne doing here?
08:41Let your daughter fight her own battles, please.
08:44I would never be caught dead in this situation if this were my daughter.
08:49Did you just come alone?
08:50Yeah, I just came alone.
08:51Things have been nuts.
08:52Do you want to sit down and talk for a minute?
08:53Sure!
08:54Let's do it.
08:55This is such an interesting, weird situation.
08:57This feels like when she called you for not showing up to Taylor's shower.
09:01Leanne.
09:03Hey, Whitney?
09:04Yeah!
09:05This is Leanne, Tay's mom.
09:07How's it going?
09:08Good, what's up?
09:09Good.
09:10I was just calling because I noticed you weren't here.
09:12Your mom called Whitney.
09:14Oh, my gosh.
09:16I mean, to be frank, this is very on brand for Leanne.
09:21So, what's going on?
09:22What's going on with Taylor?
09:23Oh, I don't know.
09:24That's what I was kind of wanting to find out from you.
09:28Yeah.
09:29You know, the obvious elephant in the room is just kind of the online stuff that's been going on.
09:35I kind of was like with her on this.
09:37This was such a huge thing for her to go and be on the CMAs.
09:41Mm-hmm.
09:42And I thought that was odd, too, that none of you guys.
09:46It just kind of seems weird.
09:47Like, are they jealous of you?
09:48You know, like, are they mad because they didn't get picked to go?
09:51Okay, yes, that was strange.
09:53We all can agree.
09:54Like, do you agree with the way that she went about it?
09:56I think she did it, like, as, like, funny.
09:59Like, being really catty and was, like, petty, you know?
10:02And she did it.
10:03And then it just got out of hand.
10:05Do you think that she needs someone to go over there?
10:07Me?
10:08Yeah.
10:09Maybe, but...
10:11You're voted in.
10:12Yeah.
10:13It's you.
10:14You're the best friend.
10:15Leanne's my client.
10:17This has gotten to the point where I've seen it happen with other people.
10:20I've watched it happen online.
10:22Mixed in with the fact that I'm having Dakota calling,
10:24saying all the things that are happening behind closed doors in their relationship.
10:27So that's what is concerning to me.
10:30It's like, you care about her well-being or her family or whatever.
10:33But it just seems like you want to be, like, Queen B.
10:36No.
10:37And trying to be like, okay, let's get Taylor out of the picture
10:40because now I want to be Taylor.
10:44I've listened to Taylor's side for three years.
10:46And I understand that the situation at hand is toxic.
10:50That's where we're like, walk away.
10:51Like, stop doing it for the kids.
10:52You okay?
10:53Oh, yes.
10:54Okay, you're good.
10:55Yes, yes.
10:56Okay, cool.
10:57As a friend, you should go try to see, like, what's wrong with you, Taylor?
11:00What can I do to get you, like, some help?
11:04What can I do to make your load less?
11:06I mean, she's a single mom.
11:08I hope you understood.
11:10And I've been a single mom as well.
11:12And I've gone through very similar things that she has.
11:14I have texted her over 30 times just texting her to check in on her.
11:19Demi was a single mom for a month.
11:22Guess how many times she's done that for me?
11:24Not once.
11:25Because right now she can't.
11:26Not one time.
11:27I mean, right now she can't.
11:28It's, like, three years.
11:29She is.
11:30I know, but she never has.
11:31She never has.
11:32She never has.
11:33More than anything, I just, like, want to be there for Demi.
11:36And this conversation is just getting more and more heated.
11:39I mean, I get it.
11:40Like, Leigh-Anne is Taylor's mom.
11:42She wants to stand up for Taylor.
11:44But I'm just like, why are you enabling this behavior?
11:46Why do you think that we're in the wrong right now?
11:48Why isn't your daughter in the wrong?
11:50How can you not see that?
11:52I want you to know in the three years I've also gone through a divorce,
11:55I've dealt with fertility issues, marital, financial issues,
11:59and not one time in three years has she called and checked in on me.
12:03And that's not just me.
12:04That's the group.
12:16Uh-oh, I think Leigh-Anne's upset.
12:17She's like, come on.
12:18She's like, man, I think so.
12:20She is a great person.
12:22Like, she's the one that brought you guys all together,
12:25whether you think so or not.
12:27When she was in her deepest, deepest part of her life, you know,
12:35like, all her friends that, like, just disowned her.
12:38And to see her friends, her so-called friends, like, bash her.
12:45I'm so sick, especially with Taylor, of her getting a pass
12:49because she's going through hard things and saying,
12:52well, that's just how she is.
12:54Welcome to the real world, Taylor.
12:55This sucks.
12:56Fucking sucked for us, too.
13:04Welcome to the real world, Taylor.
13:06This sucked.
13:07Fucking sucked for us, too.
13:08Stop posting online.
13:10Actually care about your friends like we care about you.
13:14There's no way to spin this as though she's the victim.
13:17She's not the victim here.
13:19Is Demi for real right now?
13:20I can't believe she's yelling and cussing at Leigh-Anne,
13:22especially because we're taught in the church to treat others with respect.
13:25And, yeah, it's just very inappropriate.
13:28She does not get my sympathy anymore.
13:30She needs help.
13:31She needs to go to therapy.
13:32And she needs to go be a fucking mom.
13:37Ho, ho, ho.
13:41This is a fever dream, you guys.
13:44The timing is impeccable.
13:46I'm looking for the nice girl.
13:48Zach, is that you?
13:50Are you from Pippendales?
13:52Hello.
13:53Hi.
13:54Where's the naughty one?
13:56She's the naughtiest.
13:57I hope Santa brings me a new group of friends.
14:00Just kidding.
14:02What do you girls want for Christmas?
14:03Peace and mom talk.
14:04Peace and mom talk.
14:06Whatever Taylor's going through, I pray for her.
14:09I hope that she gets the help that she needs.
14:10I really do.
14:11I appreciate that.
14:12Okay, I'm going to let you guys finish your conversation.
14:14I'm going to go see Santa.
14:15Yep, yep.
14:17Um, is it snowing or is that fake?
14:19Oh, weird.
14:20Is that fake or is that real?
14:21You guys, the snow.
14:23Should we go look at it?
14:24Yeah.
14:25No.
14:26I'd rather be out there than in here.
14:27Really?
14:28I do think that I want to step in and defend Leanne because I'm really, really shocked
14:31by this behavior.
14:32I would never speak to anyone's mother this way.
14:34But to me, it's beyond being reasoned with at this point.
14:37So I think everyone's just, like, staying quiet to stay safe.
14:40And I think it is very telling that, like, if you sat down and you, like, talked to each
14:44of the girls and you...
14:45Don't mean to interrupt.
14:46Yeah.
14:47Surprise for you outside.
14:48We'll come back to this.
14:49Okay.
14:50Ah!
14:51I love it!
14:52Woo-hoo-hoo!
14:53Okay, like, right here, babe.
14:58Wow, these are cool.
15:00I don't want to get in it.
15:01In the bubble.
15:02Just like this.
15:03Oh, cute.
15:06That's right in the eye.
15:07That's right in the eye.
15:08You know, I didn't mean to come and, like, just bombard your party.
15:12You know, I...
15:13No, it's okay.
15:14I know that you're a concerned mother.
15:16Anyway, do you want to walk her out to her car?
15:19No, that's okay.
15:20I appreciate you talking.
15:21And I'm sure there'll be more to come.
15:23Oh, gosh.
15:24Because I haven't even pulled out my boxing gloves.
15:26So get ready.
15:28It was just so inappropriate all around.
15:31Yeah.
15:32I definitely feel bad for Leanne right now.
15:34She's clearly emotional, and I don't think it's appropriate
15:36for Demi to be almost fighting her like she's Taylor.
15:40Like, these are all things that they should be saying to Taylor,
15:42and I don't think it's fair that they're taking it out on Leanne.
15:45I'm really sorry about everything.
15:47I just want you to know, as a mom,
15:48I totally sympathize with where you're coming from.
15:51I'm sorry.
15:52I felt like I was listening half the time to Taylor 2.0.
15:55I know.
15:56Just deflection, deflection, excuses, excuses.
15:59I understand Leanne getting emotional.
16:02What I'm having a really hard time with is that
16:04you're sitting in front of people who she has been
16:07an absolute dogshit friend to,
16:10and you're trying to sell me on Taylor being a good person.
16:14Clearly that was put into your head from Taylor.
16:16It's giving manipulation.
16:18Move it along.
16:21Are you going to open the gift?
16:23Should I open it?
16:24Taylor's gift?
16:25I don't really want to open her gift right now.
16:26Should I, though?
16:27Yeah.
16:28I want to see what it is.
16:29Okay, let's get this out of the way,
16:30because I don't know what it is,
16:31and the track record with gifts in this group is not...
16:35Like, is it ticking at all?
16:36I'm like...
16:38It's a box!
16:40It's from Taylor.
16:41Taylor.
16:42Oh, from Taylor.
16:44Is that your box?
16:45Wait, I'm so confused right now.
16:47It's PR.
16:48It's JCPR.
16:50I would die.
16:51Oh my God!
16:53Did you give this to her?
16:57Wait, is there a card?
16:58Wait, what the fuck?
16:59It's gotta be because of the whole, like...
17:01It is because of the JCPR thing.
17:03Oh my God!
17:05Yeah.
17:06Well, if that...
17:07Should we invite Leanne back in and say,
17:08I don't know who you know who your daughter is, actually?
17:11Taylor, Frankie, Paul, everyone.
17:13This is just so childish and, yet again, unsurprising.
17:18Uh...
17:20Well, my thought process was to gift me
17:24Jay-Z-style hair products,
17:27because I think everyone in MomTalk
17:29should keep her at arm's length,
17:30because if you can do that to your best friend,
17:32you can do that to any of us.
17:35Okay.
17:36I'm gonna head out.
17:37Oh, love you.
17:38Love you.
17:39Bye.
17:40MomTalk was originally about
17:42not only women supporting women,
17:44but especially mothers supporting other mothers.
17:47I worry that maybe it's drifted from that.
17:49I'm not entirely sure if it's something
17:51I want to be a part of again,
17:52but it's also hard because I'm like,
17:54MomTalk could be great.
17:56Bye, Miranda!
17:57Bye, Frankie!
17:58Bye, Miranda.
17:59So, I thought that with, like, the New Year
18:01and being MomTalk and celebrating MomTalk,
18:03I think we need to talk about things.
18:05Like, who's in, who's not, like, what's going on?
18:08Oh, okay.
18:09A board meeting?
18:10Yes, a board meeting.
18:11Oh, no.
18:12Businesses do this all the time.
18:13We're no different, ladies.
18:14True.
18:15So, let's find a time that works for everyone,
18:16but what does that look like?
18:17Like, who's coming?
18:18I think everyone come, let them speak their piece,
18:21and then go from there.
18:23I do feel like Miranda's, like,
18:24an honorary member at the moment.
18:26Like, we haven't officially brought her in,
18:28so should we do this without her?
18:30We need to get the OGs together for a minute
18:32and, like, pass it out.
18:33Okay, so everyone but Miranda.
18:34Yeah.
18:35I'm really not sure how this meeting's gonna go,
18:37but it needs to happen because Demi
18:39is destroying the soul of MomTalk.
18:40I'm sad because I did consider Demi my best friend,
18:43but time and time again, she punches down on everyone.
18:46It's her behavior that reads as destructive to MomTalk,
18:49not Taylor's.
18:50That's kind of how I view Taylor.
18:52Yeah.
18:53At what point are people, like,
18:55disengaging enough to where it's like,
18:57well, we're not gonna all pull the weight for you.
19:00Like, we're moving forward, and we're rebuilding,
19:02and we're reestablishing things.
19:04It seems to be a running pattern
19:06that wherever Taylor is, chaos follows.
19:08It's never gonna end well,
19:10and so I think that this conversation
19:12is very important to the future of MomTalk.
19:15So, if you care, come.
19:16If you don't care, then don't be part of it.
19:18You're showing us, yeah.
19:20♪♪
19:22♪♪
19:24♪♪
19:26♪♪
19:31♪♪
19:33Yeah!
19:34Do you think Liz has the big carrots like this?
19:37No way!
19:38Hudson! Oh, my gosh!
19:40Oh, my gosh, how are you?
19:42So, what's going on?
19:43I've been super busy
19:45because I am in the process of writing a book.
19:47I got a book deal.
19:49Like, officially?
19:50Yes, yes.
19:51MomTalk is supposed to stand for Women Supporting Women,
19:54but the fighting in MomTalk has gotten so out of control.
19:57When I first started social media,
19:58my whole goal was to inspire other women with my story,
20:01so writing this book, I'm really hoping I can lead by example.
20:05Come here, Harlow!
20:06It's good to see you guys again.
20:07Good to see you guys. It's been a minute or two.
20:09My book is about my life story
20:11because I was a sophomore in college when I got pregnant,
20:14and when I was pregnant, Hudson's dad, Eric, passed away.
20:17No, I was sad I didn't get to go to the baseball game the other day.
20:20Hudson, he walked the first guy,
20:22and then he struck out three in a row.
20:24I can't believe that.
20:25Hudson did the best.
20:27That's why I couldn't even believe it.
20:29We did tell Hudson about Eric.
20:31I think it's very important for Hudson
20:33to know about his dad because he is half of him.
20:36That's it! One more!
20:38And there's always going to be that curiosity,
20:40and we've always wanted to be very open about it,
20:42and that way, too, he can keep his relationship really good with Jacob.
20:45Come sit down!
20:46Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:47What are you guys doing?
20:48I'm excited that I could come see you guys
20:50and Hudson can see you guys.
20:52I was going to say, I wanted to come too
20:54because I'm wanting to write a book.
20:56It's obviously a super sensitive subject with Eric and everything,
21:00but he's a huge part of my story,
21:02and I don't think I always dealt with my grief.
21:05I don't think you really did deal with it.
21:07Yeah.
21:08It's even harder for me now as I've gotten older
21:10because I see Hudson and I see him,
21:12and I'm like, he's 8 now, he's old now.
21:15It reminds me of him, and it's so hard for me.
21:21It still affects me a lot, and I just...
21:24I don't know.
21:28Hudson's dad, Eric, died in a car crash.
21:31I truly feel like he was my first love,
21:33and so it just destroyed me.
21:36I didn't want to live, to be honest.
21:39And if it wasn't for my son,
21:41I don't even know if I'd be here today.
21:43I've never been to the crash site
21:45because I think I'm scared to feel, too,
21:47because I'm like, well, I'm happy, and I don't want to feel sad.
21:50You can't move forward until you deal with it.
21:52I had so much grief and trauma from losing Eric,
21:54and I think I've avoided facing it for all these years
21:56because it's just been too painful,
21:58but I think it's time for me to feel the feelings,
22:00finish this book, and hopefully inspire Mom to talk in the process.
22:04You were the only one he ever told me that he loved.
22:07Yeah.
22:08And you mattered to him.
22:10Yeah.
22:12And so all the more you mattered to me.
22:14Yeah.
22:15So I got your back.
22:16Yeah.
22:17We'll keep going.
22:18I know.
22:19I'm telling you, my dear, I promise you, that's what Eric wants.
22:22That's what Eric would want.
22:24I'm Avery.
22:50Uh-oh, your dad's here.
22:54Hi.
22:55Hey.
22:56Say hi.
22:57He's like your twin, Dakota Jr.
23:00What are you up to?
23:02Not much, just working.
23:03Just working?
23:04How are you doing with you and Taylor not being together?
23:08It's like what's best right now, and I think it's the only way
23:11to just focus on getting better, because a lot of it is just that.
23:14It's like there just needs to be, like, some peace there.
23:17I'd like to, like, have some clarity and, like, think.
23:20Yeah.
23:22Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
23:25Going back to church at all yourself?
23:27Praying, it's, like, the one thing that can bring some true peace
23:30and happiness right now.
23:31Yes, for sure.
23:33That's what's always kept me going is just, like, prayer.
23:35Like, things don't always go the way that you want them to go.
23:38Yeah.
23:39It is really hard that we're broke up.
23:42I think if I would have been in a better place when I met Taylor,
23:45I think I could have seen the situation differently.
23:48The whole lying thing, that's a very selfish thing that I did.
23:52Being an addict for so long, it was like I was always having to hide that.
23:56Those traits still will come out sometimes, right?
23:59And especially, I feel like, in a relationship.
24:01And I've learned now the truth will just set you free.
24:04Like, so just say it.
24:06She called me the other day, and, you know, she was just, like, emotional.
24:09Yeah.
24:10I think she's doing better, like, since you guys have been separated.
24:14Yeah.
24:15Just, like, happier.
24:17And that's all I want, too.
24:18I just want her to be happy.
24:20I just want her to, like, be healthy and to, yeah,
24:23that's the only thing I want for Taylor is for her to be in a really good place.
24:27Jeez, dude, what is going on?
24:48Yeah.
24:51This health journey I've been going through has really grounded me
24:54during all of this MomTalk drama because it's made me realize how blessed I really am.
24:59It obviously looks crazy, but when I was looking in the mirror,
25:02I was like, oh, it's so thin.
25:04Yeah, like, it's really thin.
25:05The biopsy was benign, which is such great news.
25:08Life is so short, and it's so precious.
25:10And what's not important is us all yelling at each other as a group of friends.
25:14So leading up to this meeting with MomTalk, I have seen very worrisome behavior.
25:18So I think we just need to get things out in the open.
25:21Oh, my gosh, you're back here.
25:22Hi.
25:23I didn't even know you were coming in.
25:24I know.
25:25I came to get some hair for my mom.
25:26Oh, I love it.
25:27I was like, didn't know if you'd even be here.
25:29She definitely gets these, too.
25:31Yeah, you know her stuff, so I was like, that's actually perfect you're here
25:33because I was going to call you.
25:34Oh, no, it's perfect.
25:35But I didn't want to, like, make you come here.
25:36So what did you think of the drama at the Christmas party?
25:38I honestly, like, feel drained.
25:41I feel drained, too, but it wasn't even about me.
25:43I was like, are they going to, like, fight?
25:44Yeah.
25:45Like, physically fight?
25:46I was about to say something, and Mikayla was like, no.
25:48Like, let it happen?
25:49Yeah, she was like, let it happen.
25:50I was like, we should tell them to go.
25:51And then she was like, no.
25:52I don't know.
25:53I am feeling so conflicted.
25:54With Demi?
25:55Yeah.
25:56It's hard to, like, all the time I look over, I see Leanne crying.
25:59Yeah.
26:00I just don't know how she feels, like, justified, though, in it.
26:02I was like, why is she yelling?
26:03I don't know.
26:04I'm just, I'm at a point where I'm like, I feel like this has happened so much with
26:08Demi, and now anytime I see her doing this to me or other people, I'm so triggered.
26:12Like, I literally feel like I have PTSD.
26:13Yeah.
26:14And I'm like, that's not a healthy friendship.
26:15No.
26:16Like.
26:17Friendship should not feel that way.
26:18No.
26:19With me and Demi, we're at a crossroads right now where I'm like, OK, I can't condone this
26:24behavior and back this behavior.
26:26I'm putting myself in Leanne's shoes.
26:28To have someone like that yelling at you, basically calling Leanne a terrible mother,
26:31too, is so uncalled for.
26:33Demi's also hurt me pretty deeply, so I see her through a different lens now.
26:37And with Demi, it's like, if you're not with her, you're against her.
26:39Like, if someone did this to you and your family, you'd threaten to sue them.
26:42That's what you do to Jen.
26:43That's what you do to me and everyone else.
26:45I'd be pissed if someone did that to me, like a friend.
26:47I mean, now I kind of understand why you ride the fence, because like, there's times when
26:50I'm like, I just want peace.
26:51Trust me, I know.
26:52Yeah.
26:53It's hard.
26:54Like, we're all in this weird friendship.
26:55Yeah.
26:56And it's like, if you take sides every time, there wouldn't even be like a mom talk.
26:59I feel like Demi thinks that you guys have wrapped it up, and then I see the conversations
27:03and I'm like, no.
27:05I don't know if I agree with Demi's definition of loyalty, because I don't think she's always
27:09been a loyal friend to Jesse.
27:10I feel like Demi is really heated right now about Taylor, but she was really heated about
27:14Whitney in the past and Jen.
27:15I think there is a lot of friendship mending that has to happen, but Demi's not a good friend.
27:20Friendships are hard.
27:21They are sucky.
27:22There's nothing worse than like, dealing with a bad friendship.
27:24Almost like, affects you sometimes more than relationships.
27:26No, it does, because relationships, there's an expectation, like, we're choosing this
27:30together, don't screw me over.
27:31Yeah.
27:32Friendships are almost harder, because it's like, there wasn't that expectation, so it
27:34hurt me more.
27:35Yeah.
27:36Even after Saints and Sinners, and in New Orleans with everyone, I know she was mad
27:39at me for siding with Taylor on a few things.
27:41But I feel like through the Italy drama, I've had her back.
27:44Because I'm like, I was there the whole time in Italy.
27:46Like, I saw everything, and I'm also friends with Marciano, and I've like, chatted with
27:50him about it, and he's like, nothing bad happened, that was fine.
27:54But I'm like, I've had your back during that.
27:56And even if you did something wrong, I would have your back.
27:58I would.
27:59Exactly.
28:00That's so frustrating.
28:01Like, just because I happen to agree with Taylor on something doesn't mean I'm a bad
28:04friend.
28:05Like, there's a lot of gaslighting and manipulation going on.
28:07She's done it to Whitney now.
28:08She's done it to me.
28:09She's now doing it to Taylor.
28:10Like, that's a scary friend.
28:12I don't know.
28:13I kind of feel like I'm at a place where I need to take a break from Demi.
28:15I don't blame you.
28:17I don't know what's going to happen, and I'm, like, scared.
28:19Well, the real question is, are you still doing her hair?
28:21There's too much in life to be, like, worried about, like, a friendship.
28:25Yeah.
28:26Like, we have enough going on, like, as moms, and like, even in your, like, your relationship,
28:29like, yours is obviously fine, but, like, in general, we should be building each other
28:32up and not tearing each other down.
28:34I know.
28:35And I feel like it's not always like that in our friend group.
28:37Yeah.
28:38A hundred percent, it's not.
28:39I'm really hoping we can get back to a place where mom talk is supportive again, but right
28:43now, that's not happening, and I feel like we all need to sit down and maybe talk about
28:46some hard truths to kind of figure out the future of mom talk.
29:00No more secrets, no more lies.
29:07No more lies.
29:09Tonight, we're finally having the big mom talk meeting to hopefully get to the bottom
29:12of what's eating away at our group.
29:14The escalating tension between Demi and Taylor is so thick right now, and it's impossible
29:18for it not to affect mom talk.
29:20It feels like something has got to give tonight, because mom talk cannot go on like this.
29:24I don't really want to pick sides, but if I have to, I'm not going to choose the side
29:28of someone that's forcing my hand.
29:29It's time for a reckoning.
29:33There she is.
29:34Hey, wait.
29:35It's actually not that bad.
29:36It looks good with the star strip.
29:37It's like surgical super glue.
29:38Yeah.
29:39Is this bruising, or is that part of the teeth?
29:40Yeah, it's bruising.
29:41It's just weird to, like, they cut my throat open.
29:43Like, that's the weirdest thing to wrap your head around.
29:45Get to see it?
29:46No.
29:51Oh, your best friend's here.
29:53Oh, come in.
29:55Are you late?
29:56I am.
29:57I'm always late.
30:01Hello.
30:04How's it going?
30:05Hi.
30:06Thanks for coming.
30:07This is so cute.
30:12Can we go sit down?
30:13Yeah.
30:14Interesting.
30:15Things are already brewing.
30:18Hi.
30:19Hi.
30:20What's your status with Taylor?
30:22I feel like we're fine.
30:23Like, we've talked, and, like, I feel like at this point, because she, like, apologized,
30:26and she's been making an effort.
30:27And so I said, that's all I needed to see.
30:29Yeah.
30:30But how are you feeling?
30:31Have you guys talked at all?
30:32We haven't talked, no.
30:35Since Saints and Sinners?
30:38Yeah.
30:39That's been a long time.
30:41Taylor is on a path of self-destruction.
30:44She is now letting her bad habits and patterns bleed into how mom talk is perceived online.
30:52That's all of our business and reputation.
30:54To me, I don't think she is qualified in any way being the leader.
30:59Trying to get some sugar down my throat so I can put up a good fight.
31:03Because you haven't talked to them since your mom came to the Christmas party, right?
31:07Did she tell you about that?
31:09I heard.
31:12I was excluded from the Christmas party.
31:14So, obviously, my mom tells me the story, and the disrespect Demi has towards my mom and my family.
31:21Demi was so lucky that I was not there.
31:24When I do argue with her, I will hold my own because I'm done.
31:29So, do you feel like you guys need to have a conversation then?
31:32For sure.
31:33Cue her.
31:34I was just asking if you guys have talked at all since Saints and Sinners.
31:38Do you feel like you guys need to talk?
31:40I mean, I don't really have anything nice to say, so I probably shouldn't say anything.
31:45I don't want to go over there.
31:47It doesn't look like a fun place to be.
31:49I don't think you guys are ever going to be friends.
31:51It's hard when we're in a group like this, though, because there's a lot on the line for all of us.
31:56We do this as our job, and we're a group of women that people look up to.
31:59And I love that we have that, but it's disappointing when we're kind of showcasing that we're still fighting like we're in high school sometimes.
32:06So, I feel like this is actually the perfect time, though, since Miranda's not here, to talk about her place in the group and Whitney's place in the group.
32:14And just kind of how you mentioned at the Christmas party that we kind of need to reconvene and chat because we have to run a business, that we have to have guidelines and rules.
32:23But what's the business? I don't even know what the business is anymore.
32:26I mean, it was posting together, but now it's—
32:28But we don't even do that anymore.
32:29Yeah, I know.
32:30I don't even know the last time we all made a video together.
32:36We need to decide if it's getting back to that or not.
32:39I feel like we all used to have so much fun in MomTalk.
32:41We would get together and make content, goof around.
32:43And MomTalk is something that's super important to me as a single mom.
32:46It's gotten me through some really tough times.
32:48I know that things are really bad right now, but I'm not willing to give up.
32:51And I hope that the other girls are willing to fight for MomTalk, too.
32:55I think for me it comes down to effort.
32:57And if someone comes in and they're just not really showing that effort, which I did feel about Miranda in the beginning, then I'm not interested.
33:04But if they are trying to integrate themselves in, I think you have to go off of what they're doing.
33:09But again, it's going to be different for everyone.
33:10You're right.
33:11You guys can say you've seen effort with Whitney reaching out to you outside of it, and I haven't.
33:16Yeah.
33:17Other people haven't.
33:18And then same with Miranda.
33:19Miranda's reaching out to you.
33:20She hasn't reached out to us outside of it.
33:21Yeah.
33:22And so it's hard.
33:23Because I'm not a definite no, but I'm like, I haven't seen that effort.
33:26I guess, how do you feel about Miranda right now?
33:32Personally, I don't have any close friendship with her anymore.
33:36I don't think it'll ever be the same for me.
33:39And I think she came in at a convenience.
33:41So I would say no.
33:43All right.
33:44Let's just do this right now.
33:45I think with Miranda, we give it more time.
33:47I think it's exactly what we did with Whitney.
33:49And I think that's fair.
33:51I feel good about Whitney.
33:53How do you feel?
33:54I'm good.
33:55I'm happy with the progress.
33:56I'm good.
33:57Same.
33:59I'm fine with it.
34:00I don't honestly care if you are or not in the group.
34:03Because I have my feelings towards you.
34:05And I've given you chances.
34:07And I feel like done dirty after having your back for what.
34:11How did that damage you?
34:13Because I stuck up for Whitney out of everyone when she was the one who hated me.
34:18I did that for her.
34:19When no one liked her.
34:20When no one was raising their hand to be in mom talk.
34:22I did.
34:23And when everyone was being mean to her, I was like, I'm not going to participate in this.
34:26Kicking someone while they're down on social media.
34:28Or any of it.
34:29And I literally said that at Miranda's thing.
34:31Even though there's tension here, do you feel like you can coexist with Whitney?
34:35I mean, I finally let her in.
34:36I'm not saying I'm going to be friends with her or anything.
34:38But she can be.
34:39I can be cordial.
34:41Can you coexist?
34:42At this point, I don't think I have to say anything.
34:44I think everyone knows where I stand.
34:46Majority rule.
34:47She's back in.
34:48Confetti.
34:51Of course I'm happy.
34:52Majority rules.
34:53I mean, sure.
34:54Do I wish that everyone was in favor of voting me back in?
34:57Absolutely.
34:58That's out of my control.
35:00Is that okay with everyone?
35:03I guess we'll see.
35:04I have conversations with everyone and I feel like they're all on the same page that I am.
35:08I don't think she's ever going to change.
35:10And I just am over it.
35:13I'm over it.
35:14I feel like once her true colors come out again, it's definitely going to be an I told you so moment.
35:20Demi, on the other hand, no.
35:22I would say no for me.
35:24We're not voting on me.
35:25What the fuck is wrong with you?
35:26You're so weird.
35:28I've been in mom talk this whole time.
35:30We're not voting on people who are in mom talk.
35:32What are you doing?
35:33I never said vote.
35:34I just said I couldn't be forgiven.
35:35Unfortunately, it coexists with Whitney, but not with Demi.
35:37Yeah, where are you?
35:38What are you talking about?
35:39I thought you were taking a vote.
35:41Did I say that?
35:44Well, you said Demi, on the other hand, after we just voted.
35:46Hey, let's talk about projection.
35:47Jeez, I didn't even say that.
35:49That's not projection.
35:50That was a misunderstanding.
35:53Demi, you mentioned if I'm in mom talk, like you don't want to be in mom talk.
35:58I think you mentioned that to the girls.
35:59Is that correct?
36:00Who told you that?
36:03Who told you that?
36:04What does it matter who told you?
36:05It doesn't.
36:06You said it, so.
36:07Okay.
36:08Let's just take the bitch level down a notch.
36:11Let's just talk human to human for once in your goddamn life.
36:14Human to human.
36:16Just take it down a notch.
36:17I don't like you and I don't have to change my tone.
36:19That's fine.
36:20I've done absolutely nothing to you.
36:21What?
36:22What have I done other than react to your poor behavior?
36:24I don't think you've been a good friend.
36:27What have I done?
36:29You're a shitty person to people.
36:30You've gone at Whitney when she's down, kicked her down.
36:33You've done it to Jen.
36:34You've done it to Jessie.
36:35You've done it to me, okay?
36:36I've done what to Jessie?
36:39You've done what to Jessie?
36:40Oh my gosh.
36:41Your bullshit lie about Jess?
36:43What lie?
36:44About the hair drama?
36:45You twisting that whole thing?
36:47That's all bullshit.
36:48That was true.
36:49No, it wasn't, Taylor.
36:51That was not true.
36:52It was.
36:53The way you twisted it, I never said she's not good at hair.
36:56It was just hurtful to me that as a friend, you wouldn't support my business.
36:59I just, and I said that to you.
37:00But hair is so, that's my whole life.
37:03It's not.
37:04You're only picking Jessie out for money.
37:05You're not a good friend.
37:07Jessie, are you worried Demi was willing to take a bigger contract even if it meant you
37:11potentially being dropped from the show?
37:13We can't run away from this.
37:14I know.
37:15Okay, here we are.
37:17That was a reaction to multiple things.
37:19It's always a reaction.
37:20Look at you.
37:21Listen to you.
37:22Multiple things had happened with Jessie and I that led to that point.
37:25It scared me a little bit that your reaction was like, she's out, no morals, no values,
37:30let's move on without her.
37:31It scared me that that was your immediate reaction.
37:34Okay.
37:35I was just like, I'm so sad and confused and upset.
37:37I was just really hurt.
37:40And I feel like you took that instead and just took it to a level that I would never
37:45have taken it to, even with the context we didn't have.
37:48Taylor's right.
37:49I don't feel like Demi's really taking accountability for how she hurt me.
37:52It's super disappointing.
37:54She speaks like she's a therapist.
37:55And a lot of times that can make you feel like you are in the wrong and that she's right
37:59because she's so wise.
38:00And it makes it seem like she's sorry when she's not.
38:03What about Jen?
38:04Have you kicked her while she's down?
38:06Because she lied and acted like-
38:07Lied about what?
38:08About Italy.
38:09What did she lie about?
38:10She lied about what happened in Italy.
38:12What was the lie?
38:13I'm curious.
38:14She said to-
38:16Here you are stuttering.
38:17Go ahead.
38:18No, I'm trying to figure you out.
38:19Your eyes scare me.
38:20Why do you have to figure out what happened?
38:22I'm so shocked by Demi's inability to take accountability.
38:24I'm starting to wonder if there's any truth behind Jen's allegations of what happened in Italy.
38:29And maybe that's why Demi turned on her.
38:31So, I feel like I need to reach out to Marciano to finally get to the truth of what actually happened in Italy with Demi.
38:37You guys are never going to be friends.
38:38It's fine.
38:39But how do we progress from here?
38:40Because this fucking sucks.
38:42Well, she's going to life ruining.
38:44That's completely different.
38:45I wouldn't do that to-
38:46Life ruining?
38:47Any single one of you.
38:48Yes.
38:49Life ruining.
38:50Do you know what you've done by calling me out?
38:52Do you know what that did?
38:53And how it affected my children and Dakota?
38:55And what that's done to him?
38:56You're so nice.
38:57You don't because you're just a selfish bitch.
39:02Oh.
39:04You only brought that information out because you were upset that I told Jessie the truth about what you think about her and her hair.
39:10That's not true.
39:11Yeah, it is.
39:12No, it's not.
39:13I don't want to see you ripped from your kids.
39:14Do you want that to happen?
39:15I don't want to be the one to do that, hence why I haven't done that.
39:18You don't know the truth.
39:19It doesn't matter.
39:20But guess who does?
39:21Therapy does.
39:22They all know the fucking truth, okay?
39:23So when you know the full truth, then you can speak on it.
39:25Until then, shut the fuck up.
39:26I just don't- I don't think it's appropriate anyways because we don't have the context.
39:30They don't.
39:31She brought it up.
39:32This is someone's family and their kids.
39:33Yes.
39:34And I don't think- I think it's-
39:35And you don't know the full story.
39:36Off topic.
39:37That's a very serious allegation that Demi said to you.
39:39An allegation that you have- you don't know anything about.
39:43These pants are too tight for this conversation.
39:46Okay.
39:47Okay.
39:48So if you guys can't coexist, what's going to happen?
39:50I mean, she was the one who brought up, I can't be in it if Taylor's in it.
39:53So that- I mean, I'm trying to get that clear, so.
39:55Do you still feel that way?
39:57I don't know if it's worth it for me.
40:02How do you feel like your friendships stand with all of us though?
40:04Because I feel like there has been upset feelings because we're- most of us are not in a bad place with each other.
40:10It's jarring to see how quickly things have been brushed under the rug.
40:13How can you guys be friends with some- she's disgusting.
40:17She's a disgusting human being.
40:20I don't understand it.
40:21Like, please, someone make sense of it.
40:24Someone make sense of it.
40:27Anyone?
40:29No, because I don't think anyone feels as deeply about it.
40:31Yeah, this is between you two for sure.
40:33I agree.
40:34If I was watching someone treat my friend and talk to, knowing the type of person I am and the type of friend I've been to all of you,
40:42I would be fighting to the death defending each and every single one of you.
40:48That's the type of friend I am.
40:51I have been so loyal to each of you.
40:54Yeah, so if you feel that way, the door's there, honey.
41:01Am I the only one that cares about true friendship and loyalty and I'm alone on an island?
41:09I'm just feeling like all of this is for nothing at this point and it's extremely frustrating.
41:13As of now, I'm not feeling comfortable and I'm feeling very conflicted.
41:18So I'm going to take some time if you guys don't mind and just like decide if I want to continue in mom talk.
41:29Yeah, we don't mind.
41:30I don't mind.
41:31I'm sorry.
41:33Oh my gosh.
41:39As of now, wiping my hands clean.
41:42I'm done with mom talk.
41:43I can't do it anymore.
41:44Okay.
41:45Bye, guys.
41:47We are done.
41:49How's your throat feeling?
41:50It's all right.
41:51I mean, Demi's a grown ass woman.
41:53I'm not going to beg for you to stay.
41:55I'm officially back in mom talk.
41:57I got my big fat gold star that I was wanting.
42:00That was crazy.
42:02I love that Demi was trying to basically get me kicked out of mom talk.
42:05It completely backfired on her.
42:07It feels good to have everyone support me because mom talk is a business, but it is a lot more than that.
42:13I do think that there's hope for all of us girls to come together and be a team and to bring light back into it.
42:24Always a pleasure.
42:25That was a lot.
42:28I feel like I need to stay and decompress after.
42:30I know.
42:31And I wish in this group we can just have individual friendships and it doesn't need to be like a loyalty thing.
42:35Well, I've done this for you, so you have to hate this person because I hate this person.
42:43Well, you want to be able to tell the truth without them being like, wait a second, I always stand up for you.
42:48I think, again, what mom talk was built on is the empowerment, woman empowerment.
42:52I think it's empowering to go off everyone else's beliefs and their experience and say, you know what?
42:56Actually, I don't believe with you.
42:57And that's fine.
42:58You can stand in your own beliefs and what benefits you.
43:01For me and my health with Whitney, I'm like, sorry.
43:03No, that's a boundary.
43:05I'll never be the same.
43:11This was really fun.
43:12Are you happy we came over?
43:13No.
43:20In the past, I have been Demi's lap dog, but I feel like I'm kind of in an era where I'm standing up for myself.
43:25And I honestly feel like mom talk is better off without her.
43:28Now we can finally start to heal.
43:30Well, I appreciate you guys coming over, but that was crazy.
43:34Well, I got some entertainment for the night.
43:36I feel like I was watching Jerry Springer.
43:48I didn't tell you why I said there's a time and place for everything.
43:52And I said, shut up.
43:58I already got Terry on my way over here, so I'm like, OK.
44:01It's going to be good.
44:02I think it'll be healing.
44:04Well, it's something that I need to do.
44:06Oh, absolutely.
44:07I don't want to do it at all.
44:08I don't want to do this right now.
44:09I know.
44:10I mean, it's been almost 10 years, so you think I would have done it by now.
44:13Yeah.
44:15I've never been to Eric's crash site, and I think it is really important to me on my healing journey, especially writing this book.
44:20And with all the drama that's in mom talk, sometimes it's easy to forget what's actually important.
44:26But this all happened.
44:27I said, I want to write a book to help other women so that they don't feel alone like I did when I was going through everything.
44:33It's like, I never want to leave things at a bad note with, like, most anybody.
44:36Well, I get that, especially because you have so many regrets, too, with the things that you said to Eric.
44:43Yeah, exactly.
44:44Maybe you still have a lot of that guilt.
44:46I do.
44:47It's like, I have regrets.
44:48I regret what I said, unfortunately.
44:53I was 13 weeks and five days pregnant.
44:55Me and him got into a disagreement, mainly me.
44:58I was upset with him, and we were sending texts back and forth.
45:02And one of his texts was unfinished at the end of it, so I was kind of, like, waiting for him to respond.
45:07What were you doing when you found out?
45:09Oh, God.
45:10Do you remember?
45:11Yeah.
45:12I was at, like, a Mexican restaurant, and I was, like, scrolling on my phone, and I saw someone post, like, R.I.P. Eric Mack.
45:18And it was, like—
45:19Like, on Instagram?
45:20On Instagram.
45:21And I was like, what is this?
45:26Oh, my God.
45:28Oh, my God.
45:29Oh, my God.
45:30Oh, no.
45:31You'll be okay.
45:33I'll be here with you.
45:35I remember calling him and just, like, hoping.
45:40Just hoping he would answer.
45:45And the worst part of it was just hearing the dial tone and just being like, please, God, like, answer the phone.
45:52I called his dad, and his dad told me that he passed and went in a car accident in Spanish Port Canyon.
45:58It was the most traumatic time of my entire life.
46:06I think it's, like, triggering.
46:08Oh, for sure it's triggering, especially if you've never put yourself in that position.
46:14I know.
46:15Even after all these years, it's not like it's easier.
46:18Even after all these years, it's not like it's easier.
46:20I think it's really good, though, that you're going to see it, and hopefully it'll be closure.
46:26I know.
46:27I hope so.
46:28Oh, God, I have anxiety.
46:40Should we do a hug before we go out there?
46:42Yeah.
46:43I love you.
46:48Oh, don't cry already.
46:50You're going to make me cry.
46:52It's okay.
46:54It's okay.
46:56Flowers.
47:02I think it's at this marker right here.
47:05Oh, no.
47:11Okay.
47:19I love you.
47:25I guess we'll just leave this here, then.
47:27Yeah.
47:29I remember getting there for the funeral,
47:33and his parents had to hold me on each arm because I was just a wreck.
47:37I remember telling him that we were having a baby boy,
47:40and that I was so sorry for all the things that happened before he passed
47:45I was so sorry for all the things that happened before he passed
47:48because I said some pretty hurtful things.
48:09Macy is opening up about one of the hardest moments in her life.
48:13I feel like it's still really important with all the drama
48:15and all the toxic energy going around in MomTalk right now.
48:18We still stand for being there for our friends.
48:21Do you want to say a little prayer?
48:22Sure.
48:23I'll say it for you.
48:24Okay, thank you.
48:25It means a lot to me that she's willing to trust me to be that person for her as well.
48:31Our dear Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for this beautiful day to be here to remember Eric.
48:37Please bless Macy and Eric's family that they get peace.
48:40And know that he is watching over them.
48:42And please bless Hudson that he can feel Eric in his life
48:46and know what an amazing young boy he is and how amazing Macy is.
48:51We say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.
48:54Why am I going to cry now?
48:58There's a weight that has been lifted off my shoulders.
49:00I think it's something that I've always had to do that I don't think I ever would have done
49:03if I didn't push myself to do it.
49:05I've always known from the beginning that Mikayla is always going to have my back,
49:08and that's the best part of MomTalk.
49:38Hey, how are you?
49:51Wow, miniskirt, you look hot.
49:52I know.
49:53How are you, stranger?
49:55It's been so long.
49:56Oh my gosh, you look great.
49:57Good to see you.
49:58How's skiing?
49:59It was fun.
50:00I've never been up here to do your ballet.
50:01Really?
50:02Yeah.
50:03It's cool.
50:04Well, I'm glad you asked me to talk.
50:05No, it's so good to see you.
50:06Cool, can we go upstairs and talk?
50:07There's so much stuff to talk to you about.
50:08I'm scared.
50:09Now that Demi has left MomTalk and Jen is MIA,
50:11I want to finally get to the bottom of what actually happened in Italy.
50:14So I'm going straight to the source to get the truth once and for all.
50:17I know Marciano from the villa, so I reached out to him,
50:19and he agreed to come to Utah to meet with me.
50:21After you.
50:24Can I get you a water?
50:25Yeah, I would love one.
50:26Here you go, darling.
50:27Thank you so much.
50:28You're welcome.
50:29I am going to pour myself tequila, which, before you go judge me.
50:33It's like pure tequila.
50:34You're not going to put anything in it.
50:36Should I?
50:37I wasn't going to.
50:39Do you want to sit right here?
50:40Yeah.
50:41All right, cool.
50:42Sit across from me.
50:43What else has been going on?
50:45Not much.
50:46Not much?
50:47I just wanted to kind of get your side of the story.
50:50There's been a lot of talk from the girls of, like, what happened in Italy
50:55and just, like, very, like, he said, she said, and I loved me.
50:59But I think there's been so much talk of, like, the opposite of what she's saying,
51:03so I just honestly just, like, want to know, like, the truth.
51:07What did she say?
51:09Basically, like, when we first showed up to the villa,
51:12she was saying that you started hitting on her right away
51:15and just, like, making, like, little, like, comments about, like, her
51:18and, like, how pretty she is and just, like, things like that.
51:21And then progressively just, like, you got more forward, she was saying.
51:27So when I put myself out there, I didn't really know what was going on
51:31because, oh, we have these, like, Mormon swingers.
51:33And it was, like, we were, like, what?
51:36Like, I didn't really know what to think.
51:38But this girl, this woman, to me is really pretty, really gorgeous.
51:43Like, I want to try and entertain this.
51:46But then, like, everything just started to transpire
51:49and everything, like, I think happened really fast.
51:51And I didn't really understand the boundaries.
51:53You felt like she was flirting with you.
51:54I think it was, like, friendly, funny, flirtatious things
51:57that I mistook for not the friendly part.
52:01Like, you were imagining, like, what was happening?
52:04Or, like, what do you mean?
52:05I think I'd be lying if I said that I didn't at least try and kiss her.
52:12I caught feelings for her, for sure, pretty quickly.
52:16I think that was because I was already, like, consumed with the fantasy
52:20that she was open.
52:24If Brett wasn't around, would things be different?
52:26I don't know.
52:28I don't think so, but, you know, whatever.
52:32What I'm really getting into, to be honest with you,
52:35is, like, it's not even just Demi.
52:37It's a rumor that wasn't a rumor.
52:43With who?
52:45Babe, I just don't really know how to say this.
52:48God save us.
52:51Did you hear about the rumor?
52:52With Demi?
52:56With Jessie?
52:57Mm-hmm.
52:59I need to be straight up with y'all about how many DMs I've received.
53:02Oh, Jessie, were you really kissing Marciano at TomTom publicly?
53:07Allegedly, it was Jessie from The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
53:10making out in public with this guy.
53:13If I was, like, dumb enough to do that, I wouldn't do it in public.
53:16That was true?
53:18No.
53:21No.
53:23Wait, are you actually?
53:24No.
53:26One thing led to another.
53:27And you made out with her?
53:29Oh, more than that.
53:31As soon as I saw her, jumps into my arms,
53:34wraps her legs around my waist, and I'm almost like,
53:36I mean, I thought we were cool in, like, the villa,
53:38but then she was extremely forward.
53:40Have you guys still been in contact since then?
53:41Yeah, we have, and, like, you know, we've tried meeting up or stuff.
53:44Meeting up.
53:45Yeah, it's just been, like, a really...
53:47To continue it?
53:50Yeah.
53:52Holy shit.
53:54I don't know, and I are cool, but to be honest,
53:55I don't really know him that well.
53:57Should I believe him, or is he just full of shit?
53:59If he's telling the truth, people's friendships,
54:01reputations, and families could literally fall apart.
54:04This could change everything.
54:07Does Jordan know?
54:09He doesn't know the truth about how extensive it was.
54:11It was not just, like, a one-time hookup thing.
54:17Did you guys fuck?
54:22Oh, fuck.
54:26Marciano.
54:27That's what I said, like,
54:29it's not like this was just some freaking one-night stand.
54:33No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.