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In this eye-opening episode of World Affairs In Context, political scholar Ivan Katchanovski lays out compelling evidence that Ukraine has become a U.S. client state following the Maidan events .
From CIA influence to NATO ambitions, and the silencing of dissenting voices inside Ukraine 🎙️—this interview dives deep into how foreign intervention reshaped Ukraine’s sovereignty, politics, and future.
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00:00:00According to my research, Ukraine is not a democracy after Maidan, because Maidan was
00:00:03un-democratic, of the North-Ukayan government. It was violent, unconstitutional, of the North-Ukayan
00:00:10government. Even though it was supported by Western democracies, this was, again, and was
00:00:15misrepresented by the media politicians, this was not democratic. So this means, actually,
00:00:19you can become not an independent country, it became a client state, heavily dependent on the
00:00:24West after the Maidan. Even so, again, media did not report this with a few exceptions.
00:00:29All the evidence shows that these snipers who were located in Maidan, buildings like
00:00:34Music Conservatory, Hotel Ukraina, and many other buildings on Maidan, close to Maidan area,
00:00:41were actually who shot and killed policemen and also Maidan activists. These were Maidan opposition snipers.
00:00:53Welcome, everyone. Today we're joined by Professor Ivan Kachanovsky, a Ukrainian and Canadian
00:00:59scholar who's specializing in politics and conflicts in Ukraine. Professor Kachanovsky spent 11 years
00:01:05researching one of the most pivotal events in the modern history of Ukraine, the Maidan massacre.
00:01:12Professor Kachanovsky's latest book titled The Maidan Massacre in Ukraine, the mass killing that
00:01:18changed the world illustrates the origins of the Russian-Ukraine conflict and the decisive role played in
00:01:24Ukraine by foreign actors. It is available in open access. Our viewers can find the link in the video
00:01:30description below. It is a wonderful book. I read it and I learned so much from it. Thank you so much for
00:01:36joining today, Professor. It is such a great pleasure to have you. Thank you for the invitation.
00:01:42It's great to have you. So, Professor, your research is truly incredible. Understanding what happened during the Maidan and
00:01:50knowing the key actors is absolutely a must for those who really want to understand what is going on in
00:01:56Ukraine today. I know you went through hours and hours of Maidan protest videos and recordings and
00:02:04you're very familiar with the place, of course, where the events unfolded, where everything took place.
00:02:11The Maidan massacre was truly a tragic and pivotal event. At the time when this was happening, Ukraine had a
00:02:18democratically elected president, Viktor Yanukovych. And his political party, Party of the Regents,
00:02:26was very popular, of course. Ukraine had an active and functioning political opposition at the time.
00:02:33And Yanukovych wasn't against Ukraine seeking membership in the EU. His position was that Ukraine just
00:02:41needed a bit more time to address specific domestic economic challenges prior to signing the
00:02:48European Union-Ukraine Association Agreement, which was at the core of the protests. But despite this,
00:02:56civil unrest and protests began in late 2013, and then they turned violent in early 2014,
00:03:03eventually turning into what we now know as the Maidan massacre. What was the goal of these protests
00:03:10if Yanukovych did not reject the idea of the EU Association Agreement to begin with?
00:03:16I think the initial goal of the protests in Ukraine was called Euromaidan, and it was a protest against
00:03:25decision by Yanukovych to suspend signing of association and free trade agreement with the European Union,
00:03:33because Yanukovych motivated this by a negative economic effect on Ukraine from a free trade agreement,
00:03:41which would make, again, Ukrainian industries, which were heavily dependent on trade with Russia,
00:03:49again, suffer because of new agreement and also restrictions on Ukrainian exports and tariffs from
00:03:58the European Union if the Ukraine were asked to sign such agreement. And he learned this, again, very late,
00:04:04and he decided to suspend this agreement. So initial protest was called Euromaidan. It was
00:04:09in as a protest against the decision by Yanukovych to suspend such agreement. But the protest movement
00:04:16changed very significantly. After initial protests, which were not significant in terms of or were not,
00:04:23I'll just say, very large in terms of our participation. This was, again, just a few days of mass
00:04:29protests taking place, but the number of people who participated were just in thousands or ten of
00:04:35thousands, ten thousands, which were not, or dozens of thousands, which were not very large, if you take
00:04:41into account the population of Ukraine and also the size of Kyiv, with many, many millions of people
00:04:47living in the capital of Ukraine. But this changed very radically on November 30th,
00:04:53in 2013, when the remaining protesters on Maidan, on the Independent Square, just about a few hundred
00:05:02protesters remained on this Maidan Square, and they wanted to leave, basically, because
00:05:09this protest was dissipating. And about at eight, at four a.m. in the morning, these protesters who
00:05:18remained on the Maidan were actually violently dispersed by the Berkut police. And this dispersal
00:05:24was televised in live and also was very heavily publicized by Ukrainian media, specifically by
00:05:31television channels, including the one which was owned by the head of the presidential administration of
00:05:36Yanukovych. And this dispersal, which was very violent, was shown on Ukrainian television as evidence,
00:05:43or it was presented as basically a kind of beating of young children, basically, or not the children,
00:05:49but young kind of Ukrainians, teenagers and students in particular, by the police without any need to
00:05:56do this. And this actually led to mass protest afterwards. Next day, there were a few hundred thousand
00:06:04people demonstrating in Kyiv, and they were demonstrating against Yanukovych, and the violence
00:06:10by the police, which they saw on the television, basically, and which was very heavily promoted by
00:06:16the media as such kind of to start such protest, mass protest against Yanukovych. But the media actually
00:06:22played a very kind of, how to say, a typical role in this conflict in the Maidan, because they did not
00:06:28show that this dispersal of Maidan protesters by the police on November 16th was not just unprovoked,
00:06:37that this was actually specific. There were clashes between protesters who actually were then members
00:06:45of the far-right sector, and they were clashing with police, throwing at them like heavy objects
00:06:52and so on. And this led to police basically beating violently other protesters who were remaining on
00:06:59Maidan. But these were not student protesters. This actually, according to the data which were released,
00:07:06most of the people who were injured during the dispersal by the police were actually older ones,
00:07:12and just a few of them were students. And many of these activists who were actually protesting were
00:07:19from Western UK, which is also my native region in Western UK. But media basically misrepresented this,
00:07:27and they omitted specifically, they deliberately omitted involvement of the right sector and also
00:07:34that violence between the right sector and the police, which led to such dispersal. And according to
00:07:40testimonies and other evidence, this actually dispersal was ordered not by Yanukovych, which was
00:07:46a narrative which was promoted by the media and by Maidan opposition. But this was actually a decision
00:07:58or order which was given by actually very likely by head of his administration, actually was one of
00:08:04oligarchs and then resigned after this. So this is, I think, very important mass protest which was taking
00:08:12place initially as supporting the EU and Maidan, kind of European Union integration, and many people
00:08:17actually believed wrongly that this agreement between the European Union and Ukraine would mean
00:08:24that Ukraine would become a member of the European Union, which was not actually the case, because this
00:08:28agreement specifically rejected any possibility of recognizing Ukraine even as potential member
00:08:34of the European Union. But this again was never mentioned by the media, and Maidan opposition used
00:08:40kind of misrepresented this kind of agreement as basically as a way for Ukraine to join the European Union.
00:08:49So many actually people believed that they would enjoy very kind of rapid improvement in their lifestyle,
00:08:55in their quality of life, in their income, and would live basically as Germans or like other people
00:09:04kind of members of the European Union after this agreement would be signed.
00:09:10But this was not the case. So this kind of protest which was initially kind of motivated by European Union agreement
00:09:16and later was motivated by violence which was misrepresented again specifically for political purposes.
00:09:24Official reports that I could find online discuss that the protesters were, you know, there were young people,
00:09:33there were people, there were students, and of course, those who supported integration with Europe, as you just mentioned.
00:09:39If you look at the protest movement during that time, sort of as a whole, would you say that the people who were
00:09:48doing this, who were participating in the protest and in the civil unrest, did they actually represent the Ukrainian people as a whole?
00:09:57Did the majority of the Ukrainian population support the Maidan protest at that time?
00:10:04I think this is also a very important issue, kind of which I examined in my first coming book,
00:10:09which will be published about the Russia-Ukraine war and its origins, going back to the Maidan,
00:10:14to the Euromaidan. And I have an entire chapter on the Euromaidan, including mass protests, which I just discussed, violence,
00:10:23the role of far-right, another chapter, and also the chapters about Maidan massacre, but also
00:10:31I examined public attitudes towards Maidan. And according to public opinion polls, at the time of Maidan protests,
00:10:38there was a split between them. In the UK, about half of Ukraine, across to half of Ukraine supported Euromaidan,
00:10:46and almost half of Ukraine opposed Euromaidan. So there was a basic split in the UK between supporters and
00:10:54opponents of Euromaidan. And this split was not just even in the UK. Absolute majority of people in
00:11:03Western UK supported Euromaidan, and many of them actually were very active in participation in mass
00:11:12protests in Kyiv. So a lot of protests in Kyiv actually were from Western UK, specifically from
00:11:17Galicia region of Western UK, which is traditionally anti-Russian region, and also kind of pro-Western,
00:11:24but also pro-nationalist region. And many people from this region also at the time where
00:11:31their relatives themselves were working in the European Union countries, specifically in Poland,
00:11:37and other countries like Italy. So they were heavily supporting Euromaidan. And people in central
00:11:42Ukraine, including Kyiv, capital of Ukraine, were also majority of them supported Euromaidan,
00:11:48but to a lesser extent than Western Ukraine. But in contrast to these two regions,
00:11:52people in Eastern Ukraine, including like region of Donbass, for instance, and Kharkiv,
00:11:58and also people in Southern Ukraine, including Crimea at the time, and other regions in Southern
00:12:04Ukraine also opposed Euromaidan. So majority of them were in opposition to Euromaidan, and the number
00:12:12of participants from Eastern Ukraine and Southern Ukraine in Euromaidan protests were much smaller
00:12:18compared to Western Ukrainians. In February of 2014, more than 100 Ukrainian civilians were murdered by
00:12:28sniper fire in the very center of Ukraine's capital, Kyiv, on the Maidan square. And of course,
00:12:34in Ukrainian, Maidan, the word Maidan means a city square. So the Maidan square is basically the
00:12:41very center, the very heart of Kyiv. Needless to say, the Maidan massacre shook the population
00:12:48of Ukraine to the bone because this was an unprecedented act of violence in the modern history
00:12:54of Ukraine. At the time, nothing like that ever happened. Could you give us an overview of how the
00:12:59Maidan massacre unfolded based on the findings of your research in your book?
00:13:06Yes, I examined this massacre very closely using comprehensive analysis of all publicly available
00:13:13evidence. So I looked into, I think, thousands of hours of footage, including live streams from Maidan,
00:13:21also recordings about Maidan massacre, from television reports and social media reports about Maidan
00:13:30massacre in different languages, in addition to Ukrainian, but also other languages like Russian
00:13:36language, Polish language, and German, and so on. And examined Maidan massacre tale, which was,
00:13:43again, for about almost 1,000 hours of Maidan tale broadcast on YouTube, which were about Maidan
00:13:52massacre tale, again, Maidan massacre tale, investigations, and also findings and evidence,
00:14:00and also examined testimonies of my witnesses about Maidan massacre and hundreds of eyewitnesses. And I
00:14:07visited Maidan massacre and neighboring areas in which this massacre took place in 2014, shortly after
00:14:16this massacre happened. And I'm very familiar with this area. So I stayed in, I studied in Kyiv,
00:14:23and when I was a student at the beginning of 1990s, and I visited the independent square almost each year
00:14:30since, until again, right after Maidan massacre took place. So for me, this is, I think, a very comprehensive
00:14:39analysis of all evidence, which I presented in my Maidan massacre book, which is open access, which you
00:14:44mentioned, and also in now four peer-reviewed journal articles, which are peer-reviewed and published,
00:14:51also kind of, and also open access, so anybody can, if they're interested, anybody can read these
00:14:58articles in my book. But I can summarize this evidence. The most important day of this massacre
00:15:03started on February 20th, but the actual massacre started on February 18th, when several dozen Maidan
00:15:11protesters and about one dozen of policemen were killed during clashes between Maidan activists and
00:15:20police. And this massacre culminated in the massacre of almost 50 Maidan activists and four
00:15:28Maidan policemen on February 20th. And this was the most important part of Maidan massacre because it
00:15:34was televised, it was shown to, not only to the Ukrainians, but to the entire world. I was watching
00:15:39this live when it happened, and as I mentioned, I examined this very closely. So on February 20th,
00:15:46this massacre started with this shooting of the police, Berkut police and internal troops
00:15:54on Maidan Square by snipers who were located in the music conservatory and neighboring buildings which
00:16:03were controlled by Maidan opposition. And afterwards, because of the shooting, there were three policemen
00:16:11killed and many, I think a few dozen of them were injured or wounded by gunfire by Maidan snipers.
00:16:18And there's even footage of one group of snipers who were filmed by CNN going from the music
00:16:26conservatory and going just in front of Maidan stage on Maidan square and with weapons, with
00:16:33Kalashnikov and with hunting weapons and then shooting of police just in front of these cameras,
00:16:39in front of CNN. But CNN never released this footage. I requested this footage from a library and
00:16:46archive from CNN and they gave me this footage for my research purposes. So again, this is just one
00:16:52example. You have videos basically showing protesters who were armed with weapons and starting shooting
00:17:00police at the same time when policemen were killed and wounded on the Maidan. And this was done in front
00:17:06of many other hundreds of witnesses. It was done in front of Maidan stage, Maidan politicians. This was also
00:17:12done in front of many journalists, UK and Western journalists, but nobody reported this. Even so,
00:17:17you have now a film on CNN, again, footage from CNN, which are included in my video appendix. So anybody
00:17:23can see actually the construction of Maidan massacre in my video appendix, which contains video segments from
00:17:32dozens and dozens and dozens of sources and reports. So basically, there was also footage and videos and
00:17:40photographs of Maidan snipers shooting from Music Conservatory. And this was reported by BBC. These
00:17:46pictures, they were shown by BBC as well. And this was also reported by our witnesses from police and from
00:17:54Maidan activists that snipers were shooting police from Music Conservatory. And at the time when the
00:18:02policemen were killed and wounded. And this is not only kind of, they were not only shooting into police,
00:18:09because at the same time, Maidan activists were also shot and wounded. And at that time, according to
00:18:16investigation, police did not have any life ammunition. So they did not have rifles with weapons,
00:18:23with live ammunition. They did not have kalashnikovs. They were armed with rubber bullets, basically.
00:18:29And so they could not shoot in the back or shoot back into snipers. But the snipers were shooting
00:18:39into both policemen and Maidan activists. And according to government investigation,
00:18:45ten Maidan protesters were wounded at the same time when policemen were killed and wounded on the Maidan.
00:18:51And there are like videos, and there are like testimonies, and investigation results as well,
00:18:56that the shooting was from Hotel Ukraine into Maidan activists and also from Music Conservatory.
00:19:03Again, at this time when these buildings were controlled by Maidan opposition.
00:19:07And after this shooting of the police, policemen received order. And after many of them were wounded,
00:19:14and three of them were killed, they started to retreat at a very fast pace from the Maidan,
00:19:23because they were not able to respond to this shooting by snipers from Maidan control locations.
00:19:28So they fled basically, Maidan, and moved to areas of Institutska Street and Hrischatik areas,
00:19:34and Hrischatik and Hrischatik Street in a very rapid escape. So basically they were running away from Maidan
00:19:42because they were shot. And this is like police. Thousands of members of the police basically were
00:19:47running away because they could not shoot in response to shooting from Maidan snipers.
00:19:53And afterwards, when protesters, Maidan protesters started to pursue retreating and fleeing Maidan police
00:20:02members from the Maidan, and they were also shot by snipers. So during this retreat, snipers started
00:20:12shooting and killing Maidan activists, and these snipers were located in Hotel Ukraine, and other buildings
00:20:18which were located near Maidan, which were located near Maidan, and also on the Maidan Square. This included
00:20:23music conservatory, this also included Zhuknevi Palace building, and Kozatsky Hotel, also main post office
00:20:34building, and other locations like Ban Karkada and buildings on the left and right side of the Institutska Street.
00:20:41So this means that there were many snipers who were shooting into Maidan activists during the retreat
00:20:47by the police. And at the same time, police, one unit of police, Berkut police called Special Berkut Police
00:20:55Company, moved towards Maidan, and they were shooting from Kalashnikovs. So this was filmed by all the media,
00:21:06and this was presented basically as police shooting all these Maidan activists. Because they had Kalashnikovs,
00:21:12they were shooting with Kalashnikovs, and this was shown as basically as police basically trying to
00:21:19storm Maidan and kind of kill Maidan activists. But all these media basically, they omitted all this
00:21:26what happened before. So all this kind of shooting into police by Maidan activists was omitted, and they
00:21:34presented basically this unit about two dozen Berkut policemen as the ones who were snipers, and they
00:21:45also claimed that government snipers were shooting Maidan activists. They claimed that snipers were
00:21:50located into buildings which controlled by government forces like cabinet ministers and so on. But actually,
00:21:58evidence shows, which was also confirmed by Ukrainian tail and investigation, which I examined myself in
00:22:06my study, shows that actually four Maidan activists were killed before even this unit appeared. So they
00:22:12were killed by hunting ammunition at the time when there was no kind of unit with Kalashnikovs even
00:22:21appeared there. So this means, again, they were killed by somebody else at the very time when snipers were
00:22:28shooting both protesters and police, specifically the snipers were Maidan snipers and they had
00:22:35hunting weapons. So again, this is, and even the Maidan massacre trial decision stated that these four
00:22:41policemen, four Maidan activists were killed not by this unit because it was not physically possible,
00:22:47because they were not even deployed. And this footage of this, and after this, again, and this,
00:22:54members of this unit of Berkut police were charged with the Maidan massacre, they were charged by a
00:22:59particular general officer of the UK with a massacre of almost 50 viral activists. Even so, as I mentioned,
00:23:05four of them were killed before, even this unit appeared. And also very important because when they were
00:23:13shooting with Kalashnikovs, at this very time when they were shooting, when police were shooting,
00:23:20protesters were not killed and wounded. So this is, I think, very important. Because if you, I synchronize
00:23:25all the footage, video footage, and it's possible to see when the police were shooting from Kalashnikovs,
00:23:32you can see that Maidan activists are not killed and wounded, they do not fall, basically. But they were
00:23:38killed and wounded at the time when police were not shooting with Kalashnikovs. So there were other
00:23:43gunshots, many, many gunshots with different sound. And this meant that, again, there were another group
00:23:50of snipers who were shooting into Maidan activists, not this kind of, not the police. And according to
00:23:58Maidan massacre trial verdict and also to my, to my studies, which I published, which are now collaborated
00:24:07and confirmed by Maidan massacre trial verdict, this unit of police was, did not have any order to massacre Maidan
00:24:13activists. This unit basically was deployed to help to retrieve a group of internal troops who were staying in
00:24:22Zhefnevi Palace, Berlin during the evacuation or retreat by the police from Maidan area. So, and they,
00:24:29after a few minutes, they basically retreated from the Maidan area after they evacuated this group of
00:24:35internal troops. So they did not have any order to massacre Maidan activists, and they did not shoot
00:24:40to kill Maidan activists. Even though it's not possible to assume that they might have accidentally shot
00:24:47some Maidan activists, but this is, again, requires forensic examinations. And this is also consistent
00:24:56with forensic medical examinations, which shows that absolute majority of Maidan activists were shot
00:25:01and killed from very steep directions, which did not coincide with directions of location of the police
00:25:07on the ground, on the same, a similar level or the same level on the ground, because Maidan accused
00:25:13were shot from very top positions, very steep positions, which were much buildings, like Hotel
00:25:18Okina, which was controlled by Maidan opposition, but also other buildings which are located in this
00:25:23area, like Ban Karkada, and Hotei Deskri Street buildings, and also Zhefnevi Palace,
00:25:28again, October Palace building on the Maidan Square. So this is basically, this is kind of the most
00:25:40important part of this massacre, and there is also footage which shows that there were Maidan
00:25:45snipers who were based in Hotel Okina, they were shooting from Hotel Okina, and this hotel was guarded
00:25:50by Maidan opposition at the time of Maidan massacre, and there is no evidence of any government snipers
00:25:56located in these areas. But then, when this police retreated to barricade, and there was also
00:26:04shooting into police, you can see footage, video footage, that police were also under fire from
00:26:09Maidan snipers, located in Hotel Okina, and they were shooting back into snipers who were located in
00:26:14Hotel Okina and Zhefnevi Palace. And again, this shooting by the police was presented as the police,
00:26:20basically, Berkut police shooting Maidan activists, because at this very time, during this massacre,
00:26:26during this shooting by the police, Maidan activists were killed. But again, the time, specific time of
00:26:32the shooting and direction of the shooting by the police did not coincide with specific times and
00:26:37direction from which Maidan activists were killed. And because at the same time, there were snipers who
00:26:44were also shooting Maidan activists, and they were shooting Maidan activists in the back from the
00:26:48Hotel Okina, and from the side, from Ban Karkada, from Zhefnevi Palace, and also from
00:26:55Hozadevski Street and Muzani Lane Street. So this massacre basically continued until
00:27:03appearance of government snipers. And about 10.30 in the morning, and
00:27:08then, again, after the police, which started shortly before 9 a.m., there was a unit of
00:27:18government snipers appeared on the Institute of the State, and this unit was also filmed by
00:27:24by Ukrainian journalists, and this unit was misrepresented as a death squad, because they
00:27:29had sniper rifles. They aimed their sniper rifles into the direction of Maidan, and they were shooting,
00:27:37so this was shown on Ukrainian television and other Western media as evidence that this unit was
00:27:43responsible for the massacre of Maidan activists. But I synchronized all the footage and other and even
00:27:51Ukrainian kind of group also synchronized such footage independently, and this footage and also
00:27:58government investigation showed that this unit of government snipers appeared at the time when
00:28:03massacre was almost over. After the disappearance of this unit of government snipers, the shooting of
00:28:09Maidan activists basically stopped. With one exception, one activist was killed, but he was killed
00:28:15again from the direction of Hotel Okina, not from the direction of government forces. And there were
00:28:23see other protesters who were killed, they were killed in the modern area, but there was no police
00:28:28present there, there was no fighting there. So again, but it was very close to Hotel Okina and other
00:28:33locations. So this is just basically what happened, and almost immediately Maidan opposition and media
00:28:40blamed basically Berkut police and government snipers for this massacre, even so evidence shows that
00:28:44they were not the ones who massacred Maidan activists, but they were also massacred by Maidan snipers.
00:28:51Of course, the narrative promoted by the Ukrainian and Western governments
00:28:57shows that Berkut or state anti-riot forces shot at people on the Maidan based on the order that they
00:29:05received from former President Viktor Yanukovych. And this is exactly what you described was the official
00:29:11narrative. And then your research shows quite different story. And so you prove otherwise.
00:29:20Yanukovych did not order the killings. So who were the snipers? Who did they act on behalf of?
00:29:28Is it possible to tell, to answer this question based on your research, who they acted on behalf of?
00:29:37Yeah, I think this is a very important observation and kind of a question because, again, media,
00:29:46UK and Western media and Maidan opposition immediately and Western governments immediately
00:29:50blamed Yanukovych for this massacre. They said basically that he gave orders or his ministers,
00:29:55basically commanders gave orders to massacre Maidan activists and were responsible for this massacre.
00:30:01And even Biden called Yanukovych right after the Maidan massacre and told Yanukovych to basically
00:30:08to leave not only the UK but also his presidency. And he said this is basically because he was responsible
00:30:14for the Maidan massacre without any investigation. And according to my examination of all evidence,
00:30:20there was not a single evidence of any order given by Yanukovych by his ministers of internal affairs or
00:30:28security service of UK or even police commanders. There was not a single evidence, not a single testimony,
00:30:34single admission by anybody. Again, there was no evidence whatsoever, no written document,
00:30:41no kind of any recording on radio interception of Berkut and internal troops, which I examined as well.
00:30:49So again, not evidence, no evidence at all. And even Maidan massacre trial verdict, which was issued
00:30:58almost one and a half years ago, specifically stated the same, that there is no evidence whatsoever
00:31:04presented by a persecution or examined by the trial, which shows that Yanukovych gave any order,
00:31:10or that minister of his internal affairs gave any order to massacre Maidan activists. And the same
00:31:15applies to even to commanders of Berkut. So there was no evidence of any order whatsoever to massacre
00:31:21Maidan activists by Yanukovych and his ministers and his commanders. And this is, I think, very important
00:31:26because this is, again, a narrative which is still promoted, and many people don't know this. They
00:31:31just take this at face value, simply because Maidan activists were killed, and this, automatically,
00:31:37they assume this was a responsibility of another side of this conflict, which was basically Berkut
00:31:42police and government snipers. Even so, as I mentioned, there was no such evidence that they
00:31:46were responsible. And instead of this, all the evidence shows that these snipers who were located
00:31:52in Maidan control buildings, like Music Conservatory, Hotel Ukraina, and many other buildings on Maidan,
00:31:59and close to Maidan area, were actually who shot and killed policemen and also Maidan activists.
00:32:08These were Maidan opposition snipers. And so this evidence includes, like, testimonies, which I
00:32:13mentioned about, again, like several hundred witness testimonies about snipers located in these buildings,
00:32:21which were known by Maidan opposition at the time of this massacre. They also include testimonies of
00:32:27the absolute majority of wounded Maidan activists. The absolute majority of wounded Maidan activists
00:32:32testified for the Maidan massacre trial investigation that they were shot by snipers located in Hotel
00:32:38Ukraina and other Maidan control locations, or that they witnessed snipers in these locations. Again,
00:32:47people who were there, they were wounded themselves, and they testified that not Berkut police in front of
00:32:54them, but snipers in these buildings shot them, or they shot other Maidan activists, or they saw them,
00:33:02saw the snipers in these locations. And so this is, again, evidence which kind of shows this is one
00:33:10set of evidence. Another set of evidence, videos. There are about 15 videos of snipers in these buildings,
00:33:16which are examined. So this video shows, like, which I mentioned, videos by BBC, by CNN, by French
00:33:24television, by Polish television, by many other, Ukrainian television, Russian television, and German
00:33:32television, also in particular German public television. And all these videos show that these
00:33:38activists in the Hotel Ukraina and the music conservatory were snipers from Maidan opposition.
00:33:44And you can even recognize them by, kind of, by head of this group of snipers, who was, again,
00:33:51later elected as a member of the Ukrainian parliament. He was from Western UK, and they speak in,
00:33:56these snipers spoke in the Ukrainian language, this Galician dialect from Western Ukraine.
00:34:03But they were, so basically they were Ukrainian snipers. They had weapons which looked like Kalashnikov
00:34:08weapons, but they could have been hunting versions of Kalashnikov, and they were also armed with
00:34:17hunting rifles. So this is one group of snipers which, again, and many of them admitted,
00:34:23public in Ukrainian media interviews and also Western media interviews after the Maidan massacre,
00:34:28that they shot police from the music conservatory and from the Maidan area.
00:34:34But, so I think four of them admitted shooting police during this Maidan massacre.
00:34:42But in addition to this, there were also testimonies by, omissions by several Georgian snipers who
00:34:51stated in media interviews which they gave to Israeli media, to Italian media, television, to Macedonian media,
00:35:01and also they testified to Russian media, and also they testified for Maidan massacre trial investigation,
00:35:06and one of their testimonies was shown at this trial. They stated that also they received orders from
00:35:13Maidan leaders, Maidan opposition leaders, to shoot both police and Maidan activists, and they testified that
00:35:20they saw other snipers, including the snipers from this group, which I mentioned, of Ukrainian group of snipers.
00:35:27And so this is, again, you have admissions of many snipers, but not a single admission from government
00:35:33snipers or from Berkut that they shot, again, police or they shot Maidan activists. So this is, I think,
00:35:42a very important evidence. And in addition to this, this kind of evidence which includes videos and
00:35:48admissions, not only videos of Hotel Ukina and Music Conservancy being controlled by Maidan opposition,
00:35:54you see people like, you see members of the parliament basically standing guard of Hotel Ukina,
00:36:01entrance, at the entrance during this Maidan massacre. There is also evidence that snipers were shooting
00:36:07from, this is BBC footage, which was snipers shooting from 11th floor of Hotel Ukina, and this floor,
00:36:15this is actually room of Hotel Ukina was occupied by the leaders of Fuboda, Fuboda fighting at the time
00:36:21of this Maidan massacre, according to government investigation. And also, again, there are videos
00:36:30which shows, again, that I mentioned that there were some snipers which were captured by Maidan opposition,
00:36:38and they disappeared after the Maidan massacre without any trace. And there are videos which
00:36:44shows that, and testimonies of Maidan activists which show that these snipers were actually evacuated
00:36:49by leaders of Maidan opposition. So this means, again, there was no reason for Maidan opposition to hide or
00:36:57kind of release any snipers if they were from Yanukovych kind of forces, or from, like, even Russian forces,
00:37:05because, but there was a very kind of rational way to do this if they were Maidan snipers, Maidan opposition
00:37:13snipers, which is also evidence of what happened to the snipers who were captured by Maidan opposition.
00:37:18In addition to this, there are, like, statements by Fuboda who said that they took control of Hotel Ukina
00:37:23before Maidan massacre, and they guarded this hotel during the Maidan massacre. And another evidence,
00:37:30I call this dog that did not bark, you know, Sherlock Holmes kind of type of evidence is a kind of
00:37:36rational trace evidence that government investigation denied that there were any snipers located in this
00:37:44building. So even so, you have all such evidence. They denied, basically, that there were any snipers in
00:37:49Hotel Ukina. They denied there were snipers in any Gaza locations, even after kind of all these
00:37:56testimonies by absolute majority of Maidan activists, forensic examinations, and other evidence. So this
00:38:03is kind of another proof that the snipers were not from any kind of Yanukovych forces or from Russia or any
00:38:11other force, but they were members of the Maidan opposition. And so this is consistent with all the
00:38:17evidence which I examined. And I can also say that even the forensic examinations which were conducted
00:38:23proved that many activists were shot from Hotel Ukina and other Maidan controlled locations. And for
00:38:29this reason, investigation stopped. These experiments by ballistic experts, they did not do this even after
00:38:36Maidan massacre trial requested that they conducted such examinations. So ballistic experts showed that many
00:38:42Maidan activists were shot from Hotel Ukina, but after Maidan massacre trial ordered them to do this for all
00:38:48Maidan activists who were shot and killed, persecution refused to basically do this. So this is kind of another
00:38:56evidence that they did this to protect and kind of and hide the environment of Maidan opposition snipers in this Maidan
00:39:03massacre. So this is all the evidence. And I can also say that even ballistic, forensic
00:39:09examination of bullets which was conducted, which was from Berkut, the entire regiment of Berkut found that
00:39:16these bullets did not march. Bullets from which Maidan protesters were killed and wounded. And so, and this
00:39:24examination was kind of, was also not revealed by the media, but it was revealed at the Maidan massacre trial and I
00:39:35saw this in my book and in my studies. So all the evidence showed this were basically Maidan opposition
00:39:41snipers from different units. This was not just one person or just few people acting on their own. This was
00:39:47part of a specific, specific massacre which was organized, very kind of complex massacre because you have
00:39:57many snipers in different locations. And also they acted very, they acted according to coordination.
00:40:04There is even audio recording of one group of snipers shooting again on order which they received from
00:40:11a phone call. So they were communicating and they were shooting from different locations on, again, and you
00:40:16can see this audio recording of this group of snipers. But again, this was never investigated. This group of
00:40:22snipers were not even investigated and they were not the government snipers because you can hear like
00:40:28government audio recordings of government snipers which were also released and misrepresented as
00:40:35shooting Maidan activists. But they actually were deployed much later from, they were from Alpha
00:40:40unit of security forces if you can. And I can say that order basically according to testimonies by
00:40:46Georgian opposition members was given by members of Maidan opposition leadership to shoot both Maidan
00:40:53activists and Maidan protesters. But in addition to this, I also cite in my studies a book and
00:41:01interviews in my book which was published by two Maidan journalists, Ukrainian journalists, in which they
00:41:07interviewed a member of Maidan of Farid's Fuboda party, leader of Farid's Fuboda party, Fuboda,
00:41:14leader of Farid's Fuboda, and he is a deputy who was deputy head of the Ukrainian parliament. And
00:41:21they said in this interview, separate interview, they said that few weeks before the Maidan massacre,
00:41:27they met with a representative from the West, from Western governments, or from the West, they did not
00:41:32name this person, but they said that they met with this person and other members of Maidan leadership,
00:41:39and they had discussion basically. After a few, the first few activists were killed,
00:41:46at the end of January, they had discussion with this Western representative how many
00:41:51people need to be killed basically for Western countries to stop recognizing Yanukovych. And they
00:41:56said, they asked Western representatives, like, four people is enough? They said, no, four people is not
00:42:02enough. Like they said, like 10, 10 is not enough, 20, 20 will not be enough. So they said, we agreed that
00:42:09if 100 people will be killed, this would be enough for Western governments to kind of stop recognizing
00:42:16Yanukovych. And this is exactly what happened. Immediately after the Maidan massacre, on February 20th,
00:42:23the Marine opposition declared Maidan activists who were killed, they called this the heavenly
00:42:30hundred. So they specifically used the number of hundred as very important. Even the number of
00:42:36killed Maidan activists was less than 100. So they included people who were killed, not even on Maidan,
00:42:41people who died from medical conditions, from heart attacks, people who were even killed in some
00:42:47in Lviv area. One committed suicide and so on, but they died from medical issues. Even after Maidan,
00:42:56they were included in this heavenly hunt, specifically kind of to bring number of Maidan activists who were
00:43:01killed to 100 because this was very important. And as I mentioned afterwards, Western governments
00:43:06immediately recognized new Maidan government and Yanukovych, they burned Yanukovych for this Maidan
00:43:12massacre. Even so, there was no evidence whatsoever to say that Yanukovych was
00:43:17responsible. And all evidence was clear that Maidan opposition was involved in this massacre.
00:43:24And as I mentioned, Biden called Yanukovych and told him right after the Maidan massacre to not only
00:43:31to kind of leave Kyiv, but also to leave presidency and to leave Ukraine. So this is also kind of
00:43:36evidence that this was done, this Western government support and de facto support. And it's not possible,
00:43:43I think, that Western governments would not know actually what was going on,
00:43:46because all the publicly available evidence was very clear, even at the time when this massacre
00:43:52took place.
00:43:53Thank you for walking us through the details. It's very, very valuable and absolutely tragic
00:44:01to hear about this. During the Maidan protests, I think all of us saw videos and photos of Victoria
00:44:08Nuland handing out cookies to protesters, and John McCain giving interviews in front of the Maidan, from what
00:44:16I can recall, effectively discussing a coup d'etat, an overthrow of the democratically elected president,
00:44:22Viktor Yanukovych at that time. You alluded to foreign actors being involved in these events, but could we maybe
00:44:33discuss in greater detail what role did the West and perhaps other foreign actors play in the Maidan,
00:44:42in planning the events, in carrying them out, and also in handling post-Maidan Ukraine?
00:44:50I think this is also a very important issue, which I also examined in an article, a peer-reviewed journal article,
00:44:56which was published just a few weeks ago in the Journal Watch magazine, again, which is one of the
00:45:04popular journals in, not a magazine, it was in journal, peer-reviewed journal, academic journal,
00:45:11which examined the role of the West in the Maidan, and again, in the course of the government. And I can
00:45:19say, based on the evidence, I already mentioned this testimony or interviews by some of the leaders about
00:45:26Western representatives who told Maidan opposition leaders that it would be necessary to have 100
00:45:31Maidan activists killed, basically, for West to stop recognizing Yanukovych, and this is exactly what
00:45:37happened. And this is, again, not just accident, but again, this is at least kind of, this would be
00:45:45kind of, kind of, how to say, I call this like moral hazard, basically creating incentive for Maidan opposition
00:45:52to create, to even, to force, basically, Yanukovych to kind of kill Maidan activists to try to provoke
00:45:59this killing of Maidan activists, or this was incentive for Maidan opposition, basically, to
00:46:04create forced massacres, which is actually what happened, based on my research. And in addition to
00:46:09this, like Victoria Nuland famously, kind of, her famous visit on Maidan, giving the cookies, and I
00:46:15think she said it was not cookies, but sandwiches. I think it kind of, in Ukrainian, this may be a kind of
00:46:21cause it to the truth. But I think most important, actually, that she was also involved in this
00:46:26of the U.K. government. And this recording of her conversation with U.S. ambassador to U.K.N.,
00:46:34in which they discuss composition of U.K.N. government, new U.K.N. government. But this recording,
00:46:41actually, kind of, was released a few days, a few weeks, also, before Maidan massacre. And in this
00:46:48recording, they talk about that Yanukovych, kind of leader of the fatherland party, need to be
00:46:53prime minister of U.K.N., and members of other Maidan opposition leadership, need to be, again,
00:47:00is included or excluded from the government. But they talk at this time about coalition government,
00:47:06which was offered by Yanukovych. At that time, Yanukovych offered Maidan opposition to join his
00:47:12government. And he suggested that Yatsinouk might be prime minister of U.K. But, again, but this is not
00:47:19just a kind of isolated issue, because this was basically Western representatives discussing
00:47:24composition of the government, who would become, kind of, who would occupy each position. And this
00:47:30happened after Maidan massacre. A new government was elected, and Yanukovych became prime minister of U.K.
00:47:38Again, and this is, this was discussed by Victoria Nurend even before the Maidan massacre. But also,
00:47:44there was testimony of a foreign minister of U.K.N. at the time of Maidan, Leonid Kajara, I think,
00:47:51his name. And he said that, he said this at Maidan massacre time, that during the visit to U.K.N. in
00:47:58December of 2013, right after the start of Maidan protest, Nurend met with Yanukovych, and he was present at
00:48:07this meeting. And she said to Yanukovych, basically, that Yanukovych needs to, kind of,
00:48:14basically, to, kind of, form coalition government. And he, he has to, basically, kind of, fire a
00:48:22government of Nikola, Nikola Azarov, who represented the party of religions. And this is actually what
00:48:28happened. Yanukovych, kind of, fired Azarov's government, I think, at the end of January, or start of
00:48:35February of 2014, before the Maidan massacre. And this was one of the demands of Nurend. So this is,
00:48:42I think, also very closely related to what Nurend basically tried to, kind of, replace Ukrainian
00:48:48government, using the Maidan, using a new government, which would be, which would be more pro-Western
00:48:54government, or would be kind of a client state of the United States. And this is what happened. And
00:48:59after Maidan, kind of, you have a new government. And there's a lot of evidence that the Western
00:49:05officials, like Nurend and other government officials, like Biden, were actively involved
00:49:10in composition of the new government, in a selection of new government officials, including
00:49:14prime ministers, if you can, like Yanukovych. So this is not accidental. So this is, I think,
00:49:20there's clear evidence of involvement of Western governments in oversaw of Yanukovych. But in
00:49:25relation to this, there is also an interview by Barack Obama, who said in the interview to CNN,
00:49:32I think in 2015, that the United States played a very active role in, kind of, in facilitating a
00:49:42transition in Ukraine after Yanukovych, after the Maidan massacre. So he basically admitted that the
00:49:48United States government was involved in kind of oversaw of Yanukovych. He did not specify what kind
00:49:53of nature of this, but it was clear that this, there was involvement of US government, and it was
00:50:00admitted by Obama himself. But there is no specific evidence of any involvement of any Western snipers,
00:50:09or, again, of Western removerment in the Maidan massacre. As the same concerns Russian removerment in
00:50:16the Maidan massacre, there is no evidence of such Russian removerment in the Maidan massacre. This was also
00:50:21confirmed, not only by my academic studies, but also by Maidan massacre, which was issued in Ukraine.
00:50:32Professor, did Europe have any role in the Maidan events?
00:50:39I think, again, a very important issue, because I rely only on public sources, so I rely on public
00:50:46examinations of evidence, and there was presence of politicians from the European Union, like Polish,
00:50:52like Kaczynski, for instance, like Kaczynski, one of the leaders of Poland, was on Ramadan, kind of
00:50:59cheating and supporting Maidan opposition, similar to John McCain from the United States, and like
00:51:04senator, another senator from the United States, and many other Western politicians, publicly supported
00:51:12Maidan protests by participating in this protest, just going to Maidan massacre, going to Maidan
00:51:19Oscar before the Maidan massacre, and they supported personally Maidan opposition at this time. So,
00:51:26there was public involvement, public support for Maidan opposition, and also the European Union
00:51:32immediately recognized a new Maidan government after the Maidan massacre, and they did not, kind of,
00:51:39demand any investigation of Maidan massacre. So, actually, even so, this was supposed to be
00:51:43investigated according to the argument, which was signed by Yanukovych, and was signed by
00:51:50leaders of foreign ministers of Poland, France, and Germany. This agreement basically stated that
00:52:01Maidan massacre would be investigated by a visiting movement of European Council or Council of Europe.
00:52:07This did not happen. There was no such investigation. There was one report by Council of Europe
00:52:12Commission, but they just said, basically, that there were snipers in Hotel Okina, but they just
00:52:17basically lied on government investigation. They did not conduct their own investigation, and Western
00:52:26countries, European Union, stayed silent about Maidan massacre, and they basically supported this
00:52:32violent overthrow of the Ukrainian government by means of Maidan massacre. So, this is just such a situation, and
00:52:39again, and you have also, kind of, suggestions that there were also, kind of, presence of some snipers,
00:52:47group of snipers from Baltic states, from Poland. This was stated by Georgian snipers, but again, I do not
00:52:56find any confirmation of this in public sources, so I cannot say this definitely if this was such a moment.
00:53:02One of the sort of interesting points about the events of February of 2014 that I find quite unusual
00:53:15is the fact that Yanukovych actually agreed to sign the agreement with the opposition to resolve the conflict.
00:53:23I think this was in early February, February the 12th, if I'm not mistaken, and so he agreed to restructure the Ukrainian parliament,
00:53:32from what I understand, to give more voices to the opposition amid the protests, as the protests were ongoing, and the same day when he signed the agreement, he fled Ukraine.
00:53:46Ukraine. He fled Ukraine the same night that he signed that agreement with the opposition.
00:53:52The question that I've had for probably 10 years now, why didn't the opposition accept his signing the agreement,
00:54:01since he effectively agreed to meet some of their demands? Why wasn't that enough to stop the violence?
00:54:09I think this is also a very important issue, and I mentioned already this agreement, which was
00:54:14signed by Maidan opposition, Yanukovych, and also by leaders of the foreign ministers of France, Germany, and Poland.
00:54:25This agreement, in relation to the investigation of Maidan massacre, they also called for early elections,
00:54:30and basically a formation of government of national unity afterwards, and this meant basically that Yanukovych
00:54:40would face possibility of being defeated in elections because he was blamed for violence,
00:54:48by the media, by politicians, and so on, but this would be a kind of politically democratic way to
00:54:55resolve this conflict. But what happened afterwards actually was very different,
00:55:00because Maidan opposition did not accept this agreement. They violated this agreement,
00:55:04almost immediately, and one group of activists went to Maidan's stage, and they called for
00:55:15obviously Yanukovych, if Yanukovych would not leave his position as president of the Ukraine,
00:55:20they said that they're going to use weapons against him. And this was not just kind of empty
00:55:28statement. This was stated by leader of one group of Maidan snipers, which I mentioned in my study.
00:55:36So this was kind of a very real assert against Yanukovych. And also, in addition to this, there was also
00:55:42evidence, which I cite in my studies, which also revealed by Maidan massacre trial, but also a trial of
00:55:49partisan of Yanukovych in Ukraine. So there was evidence that Yanukovych was also a target of
00:55:55assassination attempts. Right after Maidan massacre, he was supposed to be assassinated near Kyiv.
00:56:03There was a shooting in his motorcade, and his bodyguard was almost injured, but a kind of car was hit
00:56:11with bullets, and even hit one of the bodyguards, but they hit in his kind of handgun. So basically,
00:56:22bullet was stopped by handgun of one of the bodyguards of Yanukovych, and his car was hit and so on.
00:56:29And later Yanukovych, that's why Yanukovych fled from Kyiv after Maidan massacre, because he knew that
00:56:39he could be assassinated and there was no way to protect him, kind of in Kyiv. So he moved to
00:56:44Kharkiv in eastern Ukraine, and then he was also subjected to assassination attempts, again, according
00:56:52to testimonies of eyewitnesses. He could have been assassinated in the Congress in Kharkiv, so he did
00:56:59not participate in this Congress. And so he tried to move them to fly in his helicopter to Donetsk,
00:57:06another city in eastern Ukraine, but according to testimony of helicopter pilots who flew Yanukovych,
00:57:15another kind of eyewitnesses, they received an order from new Maidan leadership to Ukrainian leadership
00:57:23after Yanukovych fled. Kyiv, they said that this order said that his helicopter would be shot down
00:57:33by Ukrainian military jets if Yanukovych would not be, basically, if helicopter pilots would not
00:57:39kind of, would not stop flying Yanukovych and would basically give him up to Maidan opposition.
00:57:46And so he, and this is why he fled Ukraine with Russian help. He later returned to Crimea, but afterwards
00:57:55you have started a new conflict. But also, I think very important that, kind of, that he, after Yanukovych,
00:58:02shortly after Yanukovych fled, Kyiv, all the Maidan opposition took control of all government
00:58:08buildings. Basically, they say it's a presidential administration building, parliament. So they
00:58:14took all these buildings under control. And afterwards, the parliament of Ukraine voted to,
00:58:20kind of, basically, to remove Yanukovych as president of Ukraine. After Yanukovych fled to Kharkiv,
00:58:26basically, they said that he abandoned Ukraine and he abandoned his responsibilities as president of
00:58:31Ukraine. And that, kind of, he was basically responsible for Maidan massacre. Even so, this was not
00:58:37the case. So this was forced claim. And the vote to remove Yanukovych was conducted illegally. There was
00:58:46no such, kind of, clause in the constitution of Ukraine to, kind of, remove seeking president under
00:58:51such claims, under such conditions, without any procedure for impeachment, which was not followed.
00:58:58And even number of deputies who voted for, kind of, for removal of Yanukovych was not sufficient, kind of,
00:59:06number according to the Ukrainian constitution. And also, evidence shows that this work was
00:59:11fabricated because many, and it was conducted under duress because many deputies, specifically from the
00:59:17Party of Regents and the Communist Party of Ukraine, which supported Yanukovych before
00:59:20Maidan massacre. They actually voted under pressure from Maidan opposition, including by threats from
00:59:30this group of Maidan snipers, whom I mentioned, because they admitted publicly that in media interviews
00:59:35in Ukraine that they settled basically these deputies with violence if they would not vote to remove Yanukovych.
00:59:41So this is, and also what this number of people who voted to remove Yanukovych was much smaller than
00:59:47was stated in media reports because, actually, at the start of a parliament session, which
00:59:57voted to remove Yanukovych only about, slightly more than half of deputies registered in the parliament,
01:00:05and a number of, even though there were other deputies brought by a force to the parliament, there were
01:00:11many other deputies who were not present in the parliament, but their names were recorded as working
01:00:16for impeachment or removal of Yanukovych, even though they were not present. There are no photos,
01:00:21no videos of them in the parliament, and you can just count. I counted number of deputies in different
01:00:27videos during the war to remove Yanukovych, and the number was about 260, which was short of a number,
01:00:35which was, I think, over 600, which was later reported, basically. And one of the leaders of Maidan
01:00:40opposition stated later that he basically was responsible for getting duplicates of electronic
01:00:48cards from members of the parliament, from the secretariat of the parliament to work for this
01:00:53deputy. So they basically, what was falsified by the opposition, either specifically to remove Yanukovych,
01:00:58because they were not real people who wanted to remove Yanukovych, but many of them were actually
01:01:06removed from kind of just the alcanic cards, which were removed from the parliament secretariat by
01:01:14middle opposition, specifically to create such words. So this is just all the evidence is cited in my studies
01:01:21and examined in my studies. But again, this is not reported by the media or misreported and misrepresented
01:01:26by the media and by politicians. Very interesting. Many people here in the West read the official narratives in the
01:01:35mainstream media, and they see Ukraine as a, they see post Maidan Ukraine, I should say, as a democracy,
01:01:44as this land of, you know, almost like freedom. And they see Zelensky as the leader, as a democratic leader.
01:01:54But in a post Maidan Ukraine, what role did foreign actors and foreign countries, Western countries,
01:02:03play in Ukraine's political process?
01:02:06Again, according to my research, Ukraine is not democracy after Maidan, because Maidan was
01:02:11undemocratic. Over the North Ukrainian government, it was violent, and it was unconstitutional,
01:02:17over the North Ukrainian government. Even though it was supported by Western democracies,
01:02:21this was, again, and was misrepresented by the media politicians, this was not democratic.
01:02:25And after Maidan massacre, with the election of new government,
01:02:32appointment of new government, which was immediately recognized by Western countries,
01:02:36so basically I call this, you can become a client state of the West, or United States in particular,
01:02:42but also other countries like the United Kingdom, because the United States had a very strong influence
01:02:48of the Ukrainian government, of the new government of Ukraine after Maidan. So they had a moment in
01:02:53appointments of, like, Premier of the Ukraine, Yatsenyuk, or Griezmann, which was later appointed
01:03:01as Premier of the Ukraine, and the removal of Yatsenyuk and Griezmann, appointment of a
01:03:07security general of the head of Ukraine, and a kind of dismissal of his, of him. This is, I think,
01:03:16this was admitted by, by Biden, in his memoirs, his removal, kind of, of his request for, kind of,
01:03:24of Poroshenko, President of Ukraine, to fire Shokin, who was head of a security general office of Ukraine,
01:03:30and this is what happened. And there are also recordings of, of conversations between Biden and Poroshenko,
01:03:36in which you can, they talk basically about appointments of Yatsenyuk, and, and Griezmann,
01:03:43and removal of them later. So basically, Biden gave, and as a minister of Ukraine, as I mentioned,
01:03:49also, basically the general office, if you can, so this is clear evidence that, that the United
01:03:55States government was involved, heavily involved in determining, kind of, composition of the
01:04:01Ukrainian government after the Maidan. And this is what, kind of, of its definition of Ukraine as
01:04:07client state. But also, this, not only this, because Western governments, and particularly US government,
01:04:13was also heavily involved in the key decisions of new governments of Ukraine. In particular,
01:04:19according to testimonies, and according to admissions by Maidan leaders, basically Biden
01:04:25and Obama, and Biden was Vice President of US under Obama, responsible for UK policy, and President
01:04:33Obama also told Ukrainian government, after Maidan, after Maidan massacre, that, after, also,
01:04:44election of Maidan-led government, not to use military force against Russia in Crimea. So this, basically,
01:04:51meant in order to avoid a war between Russia and Ukraine in 2015. And this meant, basically, that Western government
01:04:57was not fighting then between the Ukrainian and Russian forces in Crimea. And Obama admitted this
01:05:12was done, that Russia annexed Crimea as, basically, as an affiliation for Western supporters over the
01:05:19North Korean government during the UK. In addition to this, there is also testimony of eyewitnesses and
01:05:25that head of US intelligence, during his visit to the UK in April of 2015, gave permission, or gave,
01:05:34basically, agreement of US, or encouraged, kind of, the Ukrainian government, led by Turchino, to use force
01:05:43against military force against separatists in Donbass. And this is how war in Donbass started this
01:05:50so-called anti-terrorist operation, which was announced by the new government of the UK immediately after
01:05:55visit by the head of US intelligence. So this is also consistent with other evidence and shows that the
01:06:01UK basically was very closely, kind of, also dependent and also influenced by US politics and policy,
01:06:09in particular by determining key decisions like Crimea and Donbass, and also composition of
01:06:16Ukrainian government, but also many other issues. You have a very strong involvement of the United
01:06:21States. So this means, actually, UK became not an independent country, it became a client state,
01:06:26heavily dependent on the West after the Maidan. Even so, again, media did not report this with a few
01:06:32exceptions. And this is, again, an issue which is based on a variety of sources, which are, again,
01:06:36has nothing to do with Russia or Russian propaganda and so on, but kind of based on the Ukrainian and
01:06:42Western sources, like all the examination of the Maidan massacre. So this is, I think, a very
01:06:46important issue and kind of consideration, because this also explains why Ukraine is used as a proxy war,
01:06:55why Ukraine basically is used as proxy in a war between Russia and Ukraine. And this is all just
01:07:01another manifestation that Ukraine is not an independent country, a fully independent country,
01:07:05but a sovereign country, which is kind of a client state of the United States, and was used as a proxy
01:07:11to contain Russia after Maidan, which basically explained why Western countries supported Maidan,
01:07:17even though this was non-democratic, in particular Maidan massacre, violent, again, cannot look.
01:07:24Obviously, the Ukrainian government, because they wanted to do this to contain Russia, Russian influence, and
01:07:29later they used Ukraine as a proxy to kind of fight Russia during the Russia-Ukraine war. So this is
01:07:35means that, again, Ukrainian governments are not fully independent, and they have the influence by
01:07:41US government and other Western governments. And this is also very important to understand origins of
01:07:46Russia-Ukraine war and how this, how Ukraine is used also as a proxy during this war, which, again,
01:07:52could not be won by Ukraine. And now we can see very tragic consequences of all these events
01:07:58taking place on Ukrainians, total devastation of Ukraine, and now very likely defeat of Ukraine as
01:08:04a result of this war. And this also would have very negative consequences for the West, if, because, again,
01:08:12of the conflict which was started with Western supporters of the Ukrainian government,
01:08:16due to the Maidan, by means of the Maidan massacre.
01:08:19Professor Kachanovsky, I want to thank you for joining me today. This was such an interesting
01:08:25conversation. You spoke about so many interesting details that help understand not only what happened
01:08:33during the Maidan protests in 2014, but also what happens today, because that certainly set the stage.
01:08:42Our viewers will be able to find the open source link to your book in the video description below.
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01:09:07site in the description below. Professor Kachanovsky, this was such a pleasure. Thank you so much for joining
01:09:12me today. Well, thank you. Thank you for a great interview and very knowledgeable questions about
01:09:17this, very important events. Thank you.