The Jeremy Kyle Show 12th March 2018
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00:12On today's show.
00:15Literally I came back from my friend's house and his bags were packed. He's using this
00:19I think as an excuse to bury his head in the sand and basically use this as an excuse to
00:23up and lay.
00:25My plastic's moved from your own family members, telling me that my daughter is not mine.
00:30Imagine you being left, not knowing anything.
00:37You mean too much for you?
00:39A sick child to look after.
00:41It's alright.
00:44Can't keep playing the I would put into care cards.
00:47Who is that? Could you stop me?
00:49Who is that?
00:50Sorry?
00:53I'm a leveling the car!
00:55What?
00:56I'm a leveling the car!
00:58I'm a leveling the car!
00:59I'm a leveling the car!
01:00I'm a leveling the car!
01:01I'm a leveling the car!
01:02Maybe she feels like she was the outsider.
01:04No!
01:05She must not!
01:06She won't take care!
01:07Was it my fault?
01:08Well, partly yes!
01:09No!
01:10It's my fault!
01:11Yes!
01:12Yes!
01:13High!
01:14Yes!
01:16Can I help you?
01:17Yes!
01:18Yes!
01:19Yes!
01:20Yes!
01:21Yes!
01:24Yes!
01:25Yes!
01:26Yes!
01:27Amen!
01:28Yes!
01:29Hello my friends!
01:30Good morning and a big big welcome to the show.
01:31of the show right my first guest this morning lisa is here to prove to her ex-partner craig that he
01:35is the father to her 18-month-old daughter ruby grace now lisa says that craig's always been a
01:40brilliant dad but their family has been ripped apart on two fronts recently firstly malicious
01:45rumors fueling craig's dna doubts but also the news that this beautiful child is currently being
01:50investigated for a serious medical condition now in all my time on the show rarely can set of
01:55results meet as much as today she says look i want this guy to know he's the dad and i want him to
02:00step up and come back into my kid's life you know he walked out he left me high and dry i don't know
02:06whether she's still in love with him i don't know if she's concentrating on the kid but i'll tell you
02:08what we're going to do she's in one of the green rooms we're gonna have a chat we'll see how she's
02:13feeling with the baby and then we'll bring him out as well so hopefully you all right she should be
02:18through here thank you hello hello love how are you hello darling you okay ruby grace welcome to
02:33the show lisa hi love um you rang yeah i know your life's been turned upside down recently yeah with
02:41the news that she isn't well briefly what is it what do you know so basically um she's under
02:47investigation for a lot of chronic illnesses um and she's just basically she's been fighting the
02:53whole of her life she just she's seriously poorly a lot of the time um and she's just yeah she's had
02:59bacterial pneumonia more than 20 odd times now she's just she's had heart attacks and that's really
03:06difficult of interesting really from this story and you wanted to do this is that here's a guy who
03:11was in your life aware that she was ill and just walks away from his kids like basically yeah i don't
03:18know what rachel's gonna take ruby grace yeah that's all right yeah of course and you're gonna come out
03:23with me it's it's you're not sitting over with this bloke no no i'm literally i'm here for my daughter
03:31and that's it and if no one can understand that basically if someone can just get up and walk
03:36out of a life then basically today's the day he even mans up and when did he walk away three days
03:42ago he packed his bags and left packed his bags and left and if he doesn't step up today and be the
03:48man and the dad that we need him to be then he can step out for good seems very nice all right do you
03:53want to come to me thanks gorgeous
03:59all right happy to come out debbie would have picked up the baby it's done her arm and she's
04:04getting old as well so we'll just go through here give mum lisa a round of applause
04:08she's in good hands and that's the most important thing this is this is it's very different for me
04:22right because here's a guy who the baby was planned yeah you were happy yeah any sign that there were
04:29any troubles no he knew about the illness in fact the two of you have been a united front you described
04:35him when i did the introduction as a brilliant dad oh yeah it's fantastic so out the blue three
04:39days ago out the blue just up to left literally i came back from my friend's house and his bags
04:44were packed he said um uh why would people be saying all this stuff if there were no truth in it
04:52i can't be with this anymore he's basically accusing you of being a cheat isn't he with every
04:58tom nick and i basically apparently you went out one night i'm just i'm just going to be honest
05:02and came back without any knickers on so he's assuming but her explanation for this i've never said
05:07that what you never said she's a cheat no no i said she were a cheat can i just explain actually what
05:15happened on that i listen if you want to go out with any knickers on it's your own business no no
05:19i went out yeah and i got steaming and i my pants
05:24i literally
05:33what did he say he thought it was something else and not
05:37what
05:39well obviously thought i were out cheating so what did what would you think that it was in someone's
05:44underwear i don't know what right well there we go so that's that's all gone particularly
05:49downhill anyway um so from that moment he started to have doubts so here's my million dollar question
05:56for you i was thinking about this i was doing this morning does he doubt you or is in fact the truth
06:01that this guy can't handle the fact that his daughter's i think he's doing a runner is yeah he's using
06:06this i think i think as an excuse to bury his head in the sand and basically use this an excuse to up and
06:12leave are you in love with this guy still you want to be with this guy this shocked you what
06:16yeah i love him but what he's done i've been there i'm not saying you haven't been there craig
06:22great don't be premature i'm getting you in a minute okay don't worry about it but what you've
06:27just please welcome craig to the jeremy carl show
06:34you up and leaving us your kids craig is wrong
06:37why did i leave you low for past six months your own family member is telling me that
06:41your my daughter is not mine all right so you're all right to believe people craig that go around
06:45saying your six months your daughter is from your own family your daughter though craig is a
06:50that's what that's what people have been saying yeah what your own mother yeah my own mother your own
06:55mother says she's a mother says my daughter this is important that we do this because you've had it for 30
07:01minutes or however long you've got to you've got to darling yeah no my daughter is a compulsive liar
07:07she is an attention seeker and all she cares about is herself and it doesn't matter who she hurts along
07:12the way i've done everything that i possibly can to help my daughter i took her into my house last year
07:17and i found out so many things about her and i was shocked i want the truth to be out there craig is not
07:23ruby grace's father my daughter told me that herself craig is not ruby grace's father my daughter told
07:31himself all i want is quiet and happiness let the truth be out there you can't blame the bloke with
07:36that can you no i can't no but do you know what that's coming from someone yeah that couldn't even
07:41back it up by being here today he's believing are you believing that woman tell me i haven't heard from
07:47me you're 80 20 sure that she's not your daughter are you being for real 80 i think she's mine 20
07:53percent more stronger than you've been to me oh my god you go out leave me with both kids stop
08:01out all night long come home next day with no knickers on all right because i my pants but you can
08:05sit on your playstation 24 hours a day seven days a week i look after them kids but you're telling me
08:11now that i'm in the wrong our child's pulling it feels like you're using any excuse to leave her so you
08:16either step up why did you leave then oh you step out and that's it don't
08:20oh so your head went don't you think my head's gone thinking that anything could be wrong with our
08:36daughter but i have to put up with it every day where are you then craig when that's happening i'm
08:40in hospital 23 days i did not leave my daughter 23 days so why so what's the difference though you don't
08:48think i miss my son you don't think i miss him that's your daughter craig that's her so you tell me
08:55then how you can walk out and leave her not me i don't care what people say or what they do to me
09:01you've got too much and you've got too much so for six months people told you stuff and you
09:06decided despite the fact they were horrible in what they said about your kid that you would
09:11believe them and walk out quick question for you you're going to go to a break do dna
09:15she says a million percent she thinks you're using this as an excuse because you can't
09:20handle the fact that your daughter's ill i can't know the fact my daughter's ill
09:24then why did you walk away why do you never want to speak about it then answer me that
09:28why every time i try to confront you ruby's poorly or ruby's this you got we'll cross that bridge when
09:33it comes to it leave it leave it at that because i mean don't you think i'm going through though craig
09:39and i want to speak to you about it but yet you're not there your answer is oh i'll just run away
09:43i'll run away from the situation i'm not even a dad oh whatever run away once once okay correct
09:50because i couldn't is he yes why'd you leave three days ago because you know your sick daughter
09:56even if you don't love your missus anymore for the last three days i love her then why'd you walk
10:00away you idiot i got like saying you buried your head in the sand dna after this break right back
10:07i'm heartbroken for ruby because at the end of the day you know that the kids are everything to me
10:13i'm having to be alone so then why walk away but you did cheat didn't you no that's what he told us
10:28our dna doubts ruining your relationship is an ex refusing to accept paternity
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11:00welcome back for the break with john the ex-partners lisa and craig i've got to be honest with you
11:03uh you won me over completely i read this this morning i read what your mother had said i thought
11:07oh she's what mother but i i hear in you absolutely she's what's amazing about you is that actually you
11:13do put that kid first everything you say she's not bothered right this is how much of a good mother i
11:18can tell you categorically this woman is if you've left her for you for her she's that she's talking
11:25only about that kid and that is very rare on this show she's not talking she's not selfish so she went
11:30out and got drunk she looks after the kids the whole time mine are going out and let's talk to going
11:34now why don't you get a job why don't you get off your xbox and go and support your sick child by
11:44earning some money and putting some food on the damn table yeah i'm looking for a job yeah i'm looking
11:49for a job instead of playing the xbox why don't you look a little bit harder then i've been trying
11:53looking for really yeah yeah yeah you love this woman do you yeah i do i said to marry you feel
11:59tell him truth like like absolute and not only that i'm heartbroken for uber because at the end of the
12:06day you know that the kids are everything to me and everything to me and all then why walk away craig
12:11imagine you being left not knowing anything just oh do you know what yeah i've had enough and i'm
12:16going you're a liar you're you're this you deal so you've never called me please answer that
12:23on national television you've never said that i love this girl you've never said that
12:31shall i tell you something else you need to know as well because i'm an old man
12:34you are at this moment in danger of potentially messing up the best thing that will happen to you
12:41she is a top top woman trust me switched on to anything so based on the fact that certain people
12:50who've insulted your daughter one of the most heinous comments you chose to believe them over her how many
12:55people in the audience believe that this man is not the child's biological father
13:02but you did cheat didn't you no that's what he told us
13:06oh yeah we'll say that i never said that so she's never cheated no no no she's cheated once never
13:11said she cheated why did she leave because like i said i believed all her family just said she didn't
13:16cheat you just said i categorically don't believe she's cheated but i've left on the whim because her
13:23mother or a and other yeah too much for me my head went you mean too much for you she's got a sick
13:28child to look after you are the child's biological father
13:42i love her please you're better than that
13:51all this time i've told you what you're from you'll be seeing this you're moaning i'll forget
13:57the family you know what they'll get after everything they've done to me and i've always
14:02been the one that's been suffering and yet i'm still doing it to this way and you walk away not
14:06from me from your daughter you walk away it's absolutely wrong it's beyond a joke and her mother's
14:13an absolute liar she's a disgrace and i want her on this show yeah i want her on the show
14:19needed to disannoy to look completely down that camera and go your mother's a complete
14:23literally you are a liar you know who you are and you know what you've done all of you know what you
14:28have done all of you know what you have done all of you know what you have done to me and not just
14:33to me to my daughter you're everything for seeing her again any of them what do you want from him i just
14:39want you to step up and be a dad to your kids what about sorry then that's all i want i'm sorry i've
14:44messed up big time you need to mainly apologize to your daughter your daughter i'm sorry i shouldn't have
14:51doubted you i've big time and if it takes me all my life to make it back up to you i will do
15:01she needs you mate i know i need her and actually this is the bit that is different
15:04to what i said out there look at me all she's talked about as a kid but this woman needs you
15:11i just don't know how can you say that i'm selfish and i'm a drama queen and i've come
15:15come on here for myself i'd no no listen to me though please for one minute
15:19just let me finish my you did say those things she's not a drama queen she's one of the most real
15:24people i've ever interviewed i've traveled all the way with our kids yeah just prove to you
15:33she is your daughter and i go through hell and i know you might say you do craig but where are you
15:38then when i needed you the most what give you the right to get up and leave your kids not me because
15:43my head went my head went don't you think my head goes but i have to stay there
15:47i have to be with them kids i can't walk out so what makes you think that you can
15:57i think um i i think it's being called upper creek without a paddle and i think those those
16:03friday nights out when she comes back without her underwear on i think they're going to be every
16:06friday at the moment to be honest i think i think you're going to have to get on your hands and knees
16:10and bake pal that's what i think that's how i do that 99.9 percent craig i'll tell you something
16:16right i've done this a long time and this is a proper proper woman i know that we'll say sorry
16:23then i've said i'm sorry if i've got to get over there don't jump at her for god's sake but give
16:27her a hug yeah
16:38how are you just i'm sure you're far more aware about women than i i'm going to give you a little bit of
16:43advice right she's going to make it very hard for the next few weeks but you have to get your nut down
16:48real pleasure to meet you all right look after her and your kid and good luck give them a round of
16:52applause we'll let you know right my next guest today martin is no strength of the jk show he's here to
17:00confront sarah a sister he hasn't seen for seven years until he watched her berating their mum on this
17:05very show at the beginning of the year take a look at this my friends that's that's it what you mean
17:12that's that's it i'm a better grandmother and you'll ever be whatever you've never been a mother
17:17though have you yeah i have i've been a better mother in you you are not a mother i've been a better
17:22mother you are not a mother whatever whatever i'm talking to you i'm talking to her and i'm talking to
17:29hit time now while martin says sarah is still a foul-mouthed liar and he's to grow up he says he's going
17:41to be the bigger man and give her one last chance to piece their family back together it's been seven
17:45years martin is on the jeremy karl show again that way
17:55seven years hi uh so the show at the beginning of the year i mean it was it was pretty explosive sarah
18:01i mean you saw there and your mother at loggerheads the big gripe on that show was that sarah
18:07he's living with married to sharing her life with a guy who's a pedophile yeah which i uh actually
18:13find disgusting but one of the things i actually do find more disgusting that is the fact that she's
18:17spreading vicious lies about my mum being a swinger and stuff like that and to be honest she's in a
18:23motorized scooter how can she swing from that is she a swinger your mother is she because apparently
18:30she was doing it well i was living in the house i didn't move out of the house family house until i was
18:3420 until i met my partner yeah and moved into my own house with her now i'm sorry but if i was just
18:39swinging though is it i mean she's pretty horrible she's basically said there she is there's the
18:46swinger in the motorized scooter apparently i love it no but it's it's like she's spread so many lies
18:55and so many vicious lies you said i've got a good relationship with mum um but but sarah and she
19:00have always been a loghead and you are fervently on your mother's side yeah i've i've always stopped
19:04by my mom do you know what i mean because at the end of the day it's my mom you only get one mom in
19:07life do you know what i mean but you grew up you and sarah got on well so what happened we did we did
19:12but because of the vicious lies what she said about my mom this girl apparently according to him lied about
19:16and what lies have i said martin do you know who is that could you stop who sorry that's my sister who
19:27are you i'm your sister yeah but you can't attack somebody what are you not going to attack i'm telling
19:32them to shut your mouth she's got no right don't start what don't start i'm a megalin little
19:56well if you don't need no one then i don't even know what your beef is with me
19:59maybe we're going to go you're going around spreading vicious lies about my mother
20:04don't say you've got your mother our mother swingers when she loves me she actually offered me
20:10oh yeah that's what it is guys guys guys she didn't get a fight
20:16so you can go there mate you didn't get a new fight that's what it was wasn't it
20:20what is it you are doing one of their parties
20:23so why is it so why is it so why is it so many lies
20:28you are shameful on the family
20:30am i yes you are
20:31am i
20:32at least they stay
20:55um could you go and sit down
20:57I'm not sticking up for anybody. I'm supposed to be the middle man.
21:27Don't start crying because you can jump up and tell her I don't know if it's true, but when she gives it back, you're only here to slag her off for what you want to slag her off for, but if she dares to raise something and I'm not sticking up for her, you get the hump and burst into tears.
21:41Am I crying now? Am I crying?
21:43Probably not.
21:44No, not to shut up.
21:45That's what I mean, that's one of the things that I knew for fashion.
21:48So she's accused your mother of being a swinger, although she's in a motorised scooter. She's had a go at you. Why are you all against her? Explain to me part of the way she's married to a paedophile.
21:56It was a pretty good reason not to torture, in my humble opinion.
21:58To be honest, I didn't find out she was married to a paedophile until I actually seen that on Facebook.
22:01No, I didn't actually.
22:02And I found out of my nephew.
22:03You say she's a liar. She lied about her nan dying to get time off work.
22:07Yeah, she did. She did because I used to, I was in college.
22:11We did before though, she was the only one put into care and is that the reason?
22:15No, do you know what? To be honest, Jeremy, she can't keep lying that I was put into care card. She can't do that because at the end of the day, yeah.
22:21Shut up, you silly girl. We all lied about childhood.
22:25Why are you, what are you here today?
22:27I'm here today basically to say, look, she needs to stop all the lies because at the end of the day, it's destroying the family.
22:32It's lies between her and what she said.
22:34Do you agree with that, despite the shouting? That's, do you, he's almost offering an olive branch, isn't he?
22:39I wouldn't have anything to do with her, to be perfectly honest.
22:42Do you want anything to do with her? No, I don't.
22:44Do you want anything to do with her? I want her to leave my brother and the rest of the family alone and stop spreading the image.
22:48Right, so this lady is rude and a liar. She's accused your mother of being a swinger.
22:52She's lied about your nan dying. She can get time off work.
22:55You don't want anything to do with her. You are offering an olive branch, but she's got to stop lying.
22:59Yeah, because at the end of the day, it's like I said.
23:00I want to meet your mum in a minute and the old motorised scooting swinger.
23:03Sarah's on the Jeremy Car Show, that way!
23:05Come down! Come down, you've got something to say!
23:12Come down! You've got anything to say!
23:14Big woman, calm down and say what you've got to say to me!
23:18Really? Really? Come on, then!
23:20Oh, trust me, girl. Come on!
23:21And you're sisters, are you? Come on!
23:23Yeah, we're supposed to be. That's what they call it.
23:26Oh, the chair's going to be dragged, watch this.
23:28No, I want to just move it and look at it, Jeremy.
23:30The funny thing is, when she was on the last, she didn't have that.
23:32How do you feel about all of your family having a go?
23:34Why are you lying so much?
23:36Lying about what?
23:37Your mother's not a swinger?
23:38Yes, she is.
23:39No, she's not!
23:40How do you know she is?
23:41She's been invited to the last one it was!
23:43She invited you to one of her parties!
23:44Yes, she did!
23:45She invited you to one of her parties!
23:47A long time ago.
23:49Yeah.
23:50Basically, you say that the only reason he and her are against you
23:53is because your mother's brainwashed them.
23:55Well, it seems that way.
23:57Why are you here today?
23:58I want to get some answers for myself, Jeremy.
24:00About what?
24:01About...
24:02Go on.
24:03What his so-called beef is about with me.
24:05Because you're horrible to his mother!
24:07Exactly!
24:08Do you know what it is?
24:09She's my mother as well!
24:10Pass me that camera!
24:11You don't treat her like a mother.
24:13Excuse me!
24:14Go on!
24:15Oi, Heather!
24:16Ramp up the...
24:17I'll tell you what!
24:18Ramp up the scooter!
24:19Heather's on this show in just a minute!
24:21Don't go anywhere!
24:22You!
24:23Just get out of my...
24:25Would it be fair to say that whenever you come here,
24:27whatever the argument,
24:28this all comes back,
24:29don't say a word, put your arm on it!
24:31It all comes back to me!
24:32Does it come back to the fact that you were put in care
24:34and you've got a gripe against your mother?
24:36There's a feud in the family tearing your family apart!
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25:16Welcome back!
25:17She's on her ride.
25:19Martin and Sarah at loggerheads.
25:20I visit loggerheads with Sarah,
25:22but the woman, here she is,
25:24Formula One racing driver.
25:25She's coming.
25:26Come on!
25:27Heather's back on the Jeremy Karl Show!
25:39I just want you out of my life.
25:41Leave me alone.
25:42OK.
25:43And...
25:44Are you a swinger?
25:45No, I'm not, Jeremy.
25:47And let me get on with my own life.
25:49Can you explain this?
25:50That's not true!
25:51This is not true?
25:52No, it's not true!
25:53That is...
25:54That is a genuine copy, love.
25:55No!
25:56No, it isn't!
25:57That is a genuine copy!
25:58And how wrong you are!
25:59Give it to Jeremy!
26:00No, because you've got one!
26:02Jeremy!
26:03She's got one!
26:04I've got one, Jeremy, and that's wrong.
26:06What do you mean is wrong?
26:07I have one, it's...
26:08Can I just have a look at it?
26:09I'm not going to do anything to it!
26:10Don't rip it!
26:11Because I need that!
26:12Jeremy, now you're throwing it in a minute!
26:13Shut up!
26:14I'll shut your face, you!
26:15You shut your face!
26:16Shut your face, Jeremy!
26:17You!
26:18Just get out of my...
26:19And leave me alone!
26:20You're my daughter!
26:21Bye, darling!
26:22Bye, darling!
26:23I'm still your mother, whichever way you want!
26:25That's good!
26:26Could you drive?
26:27Could you drive, but not over his feet,
26:28because they're flat enough already?
26:29Could you come over?
26:30The problem is Jeremy, I'm still her mother!
26:32Can you...
26:33Behave like...
26:34Well, you just said, I don't want you, I'll do it!
26:36I don't want her!
26:37I don't want her!
26:38I don't want any...
26:39She doesn't want...
26:40She doesn't want her!
26:41Jeremy, don't take the...
26:42I'm trying to get yourself and see you!
26:44I can't see you!
26:45I can't see you!
26:46Livey, sit on the stage!
26:47I can't be doing it!
26:48Get a chair!
26:49She doesn't want...
26:50What is that about the birthday?
26:51I'm talking to your mother!
26:56Thank you!
26:57What is the...
26:58What's the beef here?
26:59I've had all the births of us, right?
27:01We moved through...
27:02Yeah.
27:03Right?
27:04And you know yourself, Sarah!
27:06We have to move quick!
27:07What?
27:08Hold a second!
27:09What's that got to do with the birthday?
27:10I could not get all the births of us!
27:12So you don't know who your father is?
27:14Yes!
27:15You do!
27:16Excuse me!
27:17Tommy!
27:18You're a liar!
27:19You're a liar!
27:20You're a liar!
27:21You're a liar!
27:22You're a liar!
27:23Yeah!
27:24You're right, darling!
27:25Don't call me, darling!
27:26You're a liar!
27:27No!
27:28No!
27:29No!
27:30No!
27:31She's gonna get it in a minute!
27:32Trust me!
27:33It's all right, then!
27:34All right, then!
27:35All right, Gobby!
27:36You!
27:37Bye!
27:38You!
27:39I'm just gonna...
27:40You tell her you're a mother!
27:41I'm talking!
27:42What the hell are we doing here then?
27:44Will you tell her to...
27:45Will you tell her to...
27:46Will you tell her to...
27:47Will you tell her to listen to me?
27:48Well, don't talk to her like that!
27:49All right, then, Gobby!
27:50Your mother's talking!
27:51Be quiet!
27:52Sorry!
27:53All right, then, Gobby!
27:54Can you remember...
27:55Yeah, go on!
27:56If...
27:57I can do that as well as...
27:58You, you little...
28:02Be quiet!
28:03Would it be fair to say that whenever you come here, whatever the argument, this all comes
28:07back, don't say a word, put your arm down...
28:09It all comes back to me!
28:10Does it come back to the fact that you were put in care and you've got a gripe against
28:13your mother?
28:14And for as long as you can remember, you've been trying to score points because you're
28:17not happy that you were...
28:18Were you in care?
28:19No, she wasn't!
28:20No, she wasn't!
28:21Wait!
28:22Were you in care?
28:23Well, maybe that's why she's hacked off then!
28:25Excuse me!
28:26Excuse me!
28:27Excuse me!
28:28The reason she was putting in care, Jeremy, was because she wouldn't go to school!
28:35All I'm saying is I'm just trying to...
28:37Yeah, because I got rid of her!
28:38I got rid of the man over there!
28:40Yes, I know, but maybe she feels like she was the outsider...
28:43No!
28:44She was not!
28:45She went to care!
28:46Is that my fault?
28:47Well, partly, yes!
28:49How could it be my fault when I had four other kids...
28:52Well, how did she protect the other four, but not her?
28:54I did protect her, but she wouldn't go to school!
28:57Jeremy, what it was is when we were younger...
28:59She tried everything she was trying to bring it back on me, Jeremy!
29:01I'm not trying to fuck!
29:02Don't start on me!
29:03Jeremy!
29:04Well, don't start on me!
29:05Don't try and put the blame...
29:07Don't try and put the blame on me!
29:09I think not all of this, right?
29:10Just for a minute, right?
29:11Do you not think that this is...
29:12Don't put the blame on me, Jeremy!
29:13Well, take some of it, love, because you can't be totally...
29:15She can't take none of the...
29:16She can, but you can't listen.
29:17No, she can't, Jeremy!
29:18You're not listening.
29:19You're not listening.
29:20No, I'm sorry!
29:21You said she wanted a lot of advice.
29:22Let me make a suggestion.
29:23Just hear me out.
29:24She is probably...
29:26Hear me out.
29:27A liar.
29:28A fantas...
29:29Oh, let me speak!
29:30A liar, a fantasist, somebody exaggerates.
29:33Do you think, the three of you, just calmly for a minute, that maybe the angst, the jealousy,
29:40the bitterness, everything that she is, hear me out, comes from the fact that somewhere
29:44in her mind, don't jump at me, she was...
29:47You go, I didn't...
29:48I'm sure you did your best, but the fact is, one out of five, her, went to care.
29:52Now, if you're her and you're in care, whether you're a bad-behaved child or not, you are
29:55going to grow up thinking, I wasn't wanted, I'm the black sheep, I'm not as good as them.
29:58The first thing she said in my notes was, oh, he's golden balls.
30:01No, he's soft.
30:02Oh, please, listen, love.
30:03Jeremy, do you know what it is?
30:04Trying to find a way, otherwise you're going to spend the rest of your lives shouting at
30:07each other.
30:08Maybe the girl...
30:09Yeah, she's wrong!
30:10Don't shout to me!
30:11Why not shout at me?
30:12It's my shout that I want!
30:13I'm not shouting at you!
30:14No!
30:15I've heard!
30:16But I'm not there, Jeremy!
30:17Oh!
30:18So you were shouting at me, but no, you're not?
30:20You said, call down.
30:21And that's what I've done.
30:22Mum, calm down.
30:23Yeah.
30:24Jeremy.
30:25So it works both ways, Jeremy.
30:27Apparently.
30:28Do you think that...
30:29You don't shout to me, I don't shout at you.
30:30It's my show, can you let me get on with this?
30:32I don't care whether it's your show or not, you don't shout to me.
30:34Jeremy!
30:35You've shouted at me!
30:36And you've shouted back.
30:37Jeremy.
30:38We're both talking properly now.
30:39Your daughter's crying.
30:40All I'm saying to is, hear me out.
30:42Just Ivy, one sec, please.
30:43No.
30:44Let's try one more time.
30:45She's a liar, she's this, she's that.
30:47Do you think that you've ever, any of you, contemplated the reasons for that?
30:51That's all I'm saying.
30:52I've...
30:53That's what I think you...
30:54I've basically...
30:55With what's happened in the past few months, which I can't bring up.
30:58Yeah.
30:59Yeah.
31:00It's made me think that life's too short, you know what I mean, for these petty arguments.
31:02Because that's what it is at the end of the day.
31:03What's it is?
31:04It's petty arguments.
31:05Yeah.
31:06Can you do me a favour?
31:07No.
31:08Can you and Ivy stay here?
31:09Come with me a second.
31:10You stay there.
31:11You're alright there, yeah?
31:12Yeah, I'm alright here.
31:13Don't shout though, alright?
31:14Yeah, don't shout to me then.
31:15It's life too short and life too precious to be wasting on petty arguments.
31:16Do you know what I mean?
31:17Can you do me a favour?
31:18Sorry.
31:19And I'm going to put my foot down now, right?
31:20Don't go on.
31:21Just stop shouting and screaming and listen, because this man...
31:23This man came here and he said, I want to somehow find an olive branch.
31:27I absolutely, right, do believe that you've done things, said things and stuff that's wrong
31:33and horrible and that's what the world now thinks of you.
31:36I happen to believe there's probably a reason for that.
31:38Sit down, Mark, have a chat without any shouting, please.
31:41At the end of the day, yeah?
31:43You know what happened in September?
31:45Yeah?
31:46With a certain person, yeah?
31:47I know.
31:48I know.
31:49Now, to me, that's made me realise...
31:51I was more frozen.
31:52Can you listen to each other?
31:53At the end of the day, yeah?
31:54I see it as life's too short for these arguments, because that's what they are.
31:59They're petty and they're just tit for tat scoring points.
32:03That is what they are, yeah?
32:04You've got to understand that if it was flipped the other way round...
32:07Yeah?
32:08..and you had a really, really good relationship with my mum, which I've got,
32:11and do you know what I mean, no-one can dispute that, you would be exactly the same as me.
32:14You would be...
32:15I think, can I just jump in?
32:16Yeah.
32:17One of the things I've learned over the years is that when families are fractured,
32:19and everybody's been arguing for a long time, it doesn't always work for everybody,
32:24but there's no reason why you two can't try and cultivate something.
32:27Hear me out, maybe it's too late for Ivy, maybe it's too late for your mum.
32:30What you have to understand is that your way of trying to get attention or trying to right the wrongs or lash out because you're unhappy about the past,
32:40the things that you've said and the things that you've done have alienated people.
32:43That's a fact, whether you like it or not, and I'll stand here and shout at you forever because I don't believe that a lot of what you've done has been thought through at all.
32:49I think you've done it to get a reaction and I think the more you've done it and the worse that you've been, you've just solidified everything they think about you.
32:56Yeah.
32:57But you said something at the beginning, and this is what I want to work on, you two with Graham and the team.
33:02If there is any common ground, the fact is, right, there were five kids and one went into care.
33:08Your mum's answer to that is to shout in my face, I'm not blaming your mother, there was a difficult situation.
33:13What I'm asking you to understand is that if it had been you instead of her, or it had been Ivy instead of her,
33:18I very much suspect you might not have told as many lies, but you might have been a little bit angry,
33:24and you might have wanted to score a few points, and you might have wanted to lash out at your mum,
33:27and I'm sorry, you can come here and shout and I'll say, I really believe, but I really believe this Ivy.
33:33Can I just say one thing? If, if you had been the child in care, just,
33:39I wouldn't be out there supporting your mum, you'd be shouting from the rooftops.
33:43I am not sticking up for the things she's done. She said that.
33:46I wouldn't be spreading rumours, though, would I?
33:48You might be doing anything, but I'm not sure that we would know.
33:52I think you guys need to just do this and sit and do it calmly.
33:57I understand what you're saying, because at the end of the day, we wasn't in care.
33:59I'm not painting her out to be an angel.
34:00No, no, no, no, no.
34:01Right, listen, listen, listen, that is all I wanted.
34:03Listen, I'm not going to go round in circles.
34:05That was when I was angry.
34:07Everyone's been angry.
34:08Everybody's been angry.
34:09Why?
34:10I'm sorry.
34:16Listen, no, no, listen, no more to be said.
34:20Listen, Graham is going to do this in a far better way than I do it,
34:24one by one and calmly.
34:26I'm not saying it's ideal, I'm not saying it's perfect,
34:28but it's worth it, all right?
34:29All yours, G-Man.
34:30Give him a round of applause.
34:31Thank you very much indeed.
34:32APPLAUSE
34:34Good afternoon, my next guest today.
34:36Jim is in desperate need for help with his son Mark
34:39before he says it's too late.
34:40Now, a little while back, men came to the house
34:42with the intention of assaulting son Mark over an unpaid debt,
34:45hurting Jim as well when he intervened to save his son's life.
34:47He says that Mark's behaviour is causing massive stress in the house,
34:51and he says, you know what?
34:52I'm tired of wiping his back, Siler.
34:53He said, I want help, but at the end of the day,
34:55I want somebody to convince this young man
34:57he needs to step up and be counted.
34:58Jim is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
35:00CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
35:08You all right?
35:09Yeah, fine.
35:10Do me a favour, cos I'm going to be really, really honest.
35:12We were talking about this this morning.
35:13A lot of the stories on this show are very argumentative
35:16and it's very raw, some are very sad.
35:18I think this is the sort of story that would resonate
35:21and people would be able to say, my God, especially parents, right?
35:24You're 49, you've been married how long?
35:2725 years.
35:29Your son, Mark, is basically...
35:31APPLAUSE
35:33You can get a clap for anything on this show nowadays.
35:37Great marriage, everything good, got this son, 24,
35:41let's not lie, doesn't do anything, doesn't provide,
35:44you've tried wiping his backside, his mother's as soft as butter,
35:47and you have had enough.
35:49That's, in essence, the truth.
35:50That's quite true.
35:51Well, is it...
35:52Well, this isn't his right, I've had enough.
35:54Good for you.
35:55If right, he continues, the way he is, he's going to be outright on his backside.
36:01There was this story, wasn't there, that some people came to the house for an unpaid debt?
36:06Oh, yes.
36:07What happened?
36:08Well, basically, right, I heard the car right pull up, somebody shouted.
36:14Yeah?
36:15I went out, right, so, who's this?
36:17Who was it?
36:18Just two geezers, saying he owed them £300.
36:22£300, that's ridiculous, what for?
36:24Right, I don't know, right, exactly whether it was weed or anything.
36:28I don't know.
36:29Have you ever told your son how much he annoys you and what a lazy pain in the back?
36:32Yeah, I have.
36:33And what does he do?
36:34Well, the thing is right, he does quite clumsy.
36:37What are you going to say to him today?
36:39Shape up or ship out.
36:40So, don't do that.
36:42APPLAUSE
36:44He's 24 years of age.
36:49You probably won't like what I'm going to say to him, right?
36:52Mark's on the Jeremy Kyle Show, that way.
36:55APPLAUSE
37:02Right.
37:03You all right?
37:04Someone thanks yourself.
37:05Why are you living home at 24?
37:07Have you got a job?
37:08Yeah, I'm working with my old man.
37:10But only recently, yeah?
37:11What about before that?
37:12You're 24 years of age, people fight wars at the age of 16.
37:14How have you lived?
37:15You're a pain in the backside, you don't do anything for them.
37:18You sponge.
37:19Why are you not a man who goes to work, gets your own place and does your own thing?
37:24What's going on?
37:25CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
37:27I've been working.
37:28Do you pay your parents money to live?
37:30Sometimes, yeah.
37:31Well, and a few weeks ago, when these men arrived, they're wanting 300 quid out of you.
37:36What happened then?
37:37It was when I was borrowing and I've touched drugs then.
37:40But I haven't touched them since.
37:42What did you want to say to him?
37:43What can I say to him?
37:45Tell him.
37:46I've already, right, told him, right?
37:48He's always going to bury me.
37:50He's your dad.
37:51You should respect him.
37:52You sit there like you don't care.
37:54APPLAUSE
37:55What's your wife called?
37:57Tina.
37:58Let's get Mum Tina on the Jeremy Carl show, please.
38:02CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
38:04Why don't you keep...
38:05I mean, I understand, cos my mum would have done the same.
38:06Why aren't you harder on him?
38:07He's a waste of time.
38:08I have tried to be.
38:09Erm...
38:10I worry about him.
38:11I want him to be happy.
38:12I want him to have a good life.
38:13I want to...
38:14What about tough love, babe?
38:15I've tried it, but it don't help.
38:16No matter what I say to him, it goes in one ear and out the other.
38:18Why's that?
38:19Cos you don't respect your parents, yeah?
38:20You're 24, for God's sake.
38:21I know.
38:22Come on!
38:23I've messed up in my life.
38:24What do you want from your life?
38:25Just to have a happy life.
38:26Just to have a happy life.
38:27You've had a rocket up your backside.
38:28What do you want to achieve in your life?
38:29Because the way you're going, you're going to achieve anything.
38:30It doesn't matter what you have.
38:31It matters if you can look yourself in the mirror at the end of the day and say,
38:34I gave it my back.
38:35I gave it my back.
38:36I've tried it, but it don't help.
38:37No matter what I say to him, it goes in one ear and out the other.
38:38Why's that?
38:39Cos you don't respect your parents, yeah?
38:40You're 24, for God's sake.
38:41I don't know.
38:42Come on!
38:43I've messed up in my life.
38:44What do you want from your life?
38:45Just to have a happy life.
38:46Start a family.
38:47You've had a rocket up your backside.
38:48What do you want to achieve in your life?
38:50Because the way you're going, you're going to achieve anything.
38:52It doesn't matter what you have.
38:53It matters if you can look yourself in the mirror at the end of the day and say,
38:56I gave it my best shot.
38:57These people are going to have enough for wiping your backside.
38:59They're basically saying, go and do something with your life.
39:02Stop sitting there.
39:03Why does somebody like you go, yeah?
39:07Why do I need to tell you that?
39:09Well, I'm starting doing that.
39:11You spoiled him, haven't you?
39:12Yes.
39:13Hasn't helped.
39:15Being a parent ain't easy, is it?
39:17No.
39:18I probably spoiled my kids.
39:20I was probably spoiled, but you have to find that in you to want to make something,
39:24do something.
39:25I just don't see anything.
39:26You are still smoking dope.
39:27It's written all over your face, mate.
39:28No, you don't.
39:29Tell him what he does to you.
39:30Tell him.
39:31Look at him.
39:32Tell him.
39:33It's killing us inside.
39:35As parents, you can only do so much.
39:37You want your kids to be successful, happy, whatever, but you want them to have fight.
39:42You want them to have verve.
39:43You want them to have commitment.
39:44You want them to be hungry.
39:45You're a lazy man.
39:47You are...
39:48You're one of those people who thinks the world owes you a living.
39:51You're one of those people who carries...
39:52I mean, look at you.
39:53You look like you've got the whole world on your shoulders.
39:55Are you terminally ill?
39:56No.
39:57Are you homeless?
39:58No.
39:59Are you a drug addict?
40:00No.
40:01I don't know why you came here.
40:02I'm being really honest.
40:03I don't know why you came here.
40:04I don't know what I can say to this kid apart from, you know.
40:06I don't...
40:07What...
40:08I was hoping you'd be able to get through to him because we can't.
40:11It's like talking to a brick wall.
40:13There's a problem somewhere, right?
40:16But he won't tell us, right?
40:18Where?
40:19We've sat him down.
40:20We've asked him.
40:22But...
40:23It's...
40:24That's it.
40:25That's all you get.
40:26I'm...
40:27It's because you're trying to control my life.
40:29Oh!
40:30Ah!
40:31Well, get out of their house and have your tea made, you little boy.
40:34Don't control your own damn life.
40:36They're trying to control your life.
40:40They're sick to death of you, mate.
40:41You're like a virus that hangs around.
40:44Do you know what you need to do?
40:45Go and speak to Graham, seriously.
40:47Go and speak to Graham and grow up and learn to stand your own damn feet.
40:50That's what you need to do.
40:51Right, you two are still there.
40:52After the break, we're back with more for the Jeremy Kyle Show.
40:53Don't go anywhere.
40:54Right back.
40:55Brothers, I grew up knowing you were there, but have never had the opportunity to meet
41:08you.
41:09I've longed to meet you for many, many years, but unfortunately, it never happened.
41:15I got a message from one of your brothers called Jimmy.
41:20Welcome back to my next guest today.
41:21Anne is here to make an appeal to find her long-lost brother, Frank.
41:36Now, Anne was born as the result of an affair and was put up for adoption over, check this,
41:4163 years ago.
41:43And while she's always known that Frank must be out there somewhere, she's never known
41:46any blood relatives other than her own kids.
41:48Finding Frank, she says, would mean the absolute world to her.
41:52And she said, I wanted to come here and I wanted to hopefully get some help from Jeremy
41:56Kyle.
41:57Give her a big round of applause.
41:58Anne's on the show.
41:59That's right.
42:00How are you, my darling?
42:01Really nice to meet you.
42:03Thank you so much for coming on.
42:04Take a seat.
42:05You okay?
42:06Yeah, a bit nervous, obviously.
42:07You rang the show, didn't you?
42:08And I really appreciate you doing that.
42:09Um, it's an extraordinary story.
42:10Yeah.
42:11Adopted 63 years ago.
42:12Do you want to tell them why?
42:13Tell them the story.
42:14Basically…
42:15Am I okay?
42:16Yeah.
42:17My biological mother, um…
42:18She had me, Queen Charlotte's London.
42:19And, um, yeah, my biological mother had me, Queen Charlotte's London, and, um, and the
42:20It's an extraordinary story, adopted 63 years ago.
42:26Do you want to tell them why?
42:27Tell them the story.
42:31Basically, my biological mother, she had me.
42:40Queen Charlotte's London.
42:42And she must have been in a relationship.
42:47Yeah, well, between the time she was pregnant and was to have me.
42:56And it was with, at the time, with a white chap, an Englishman.
43:02So, to what I was told, she came from Scotland, where I was conceived,
43:07down to England, to start a new life.
43:10She'd met this gentleman.
43:12And from there, they got together.
43:16You were adopted out.
43:17I was adopted out at five months.
43:20Your real mother came to visit you only once.
43:23Now, here's the story.
43:24You looked out of the window one day and you saw your brothers.
43:25You believed that you were your brothers playing in the car.
43:27Yeah.
43:29Now, interestingly, weirdly, 24 years ago, briefly, what happened?
43:35You spoke to one of the brothers.
43:37Yeah.
43:38That was, that's Frank, Frank Junior.
43:41He was named after his father.
43:43You spoke to him.
43:44How did you lose touch again then?
43:45Well, what actually happened, things were going on.
43:50I actually lost the number.
43:53I was pre...
43:54I fell pregnant.
43:55I was 40.
43:5740, coming up 41.
44:01God bless him.
44:02He was born with a very, very rare condition.
44:05And for the last 22 years, I've done nothing but look after him.
44:10Backwards and forwards to hospitals.
44:12Why now?
44:13Now?
44:15No, no, no.
44:16Why now to try and find what you believe to be?
44:18I've never stopped thinking about them.
44:22I love you so much.
44:24And as far as I'm concerned, I want...
44:27Can you bring me that camera?
44:28Because you've got a letter you've written, haven't you?
44:30Yeah.
44:31Can you bring that in a little bit, please, sir?
44:33Brothers, I grew up knowing you were there,
44:36but have never had the opportunity to meet you.
44:40I've longed to meet you for many, many years,
44:45but unfortunately, it never happened.
44:48Frank, I know I got in touch with you over 20 years ago,
44:54but due to difficult circumstances,
44:57I lost your number and never heard from you again.
45:03I've never stopped wanting to meet you.
45:06I'd love to hear some memories of my mother.
45:10I want to see photos of what she was like
45:13and hear all about your childhood.
45:17I long to meet the family I never had.
45:21It's had...
45:22It's hard to put into words
45:25as we don't really know each other,
45:28but I just want to tell you that I love you.
45:32And...
45:34APPLAUSE
45:36I found a photo of you, Mum.
45:45Oh, my gosh.
45:55They said that I...
45:56I got a message from one of your brothers called Jimmy.
45:59My dearest Sister Anne,
46:03I never knew about you, but now I do.
46:05I'm so excited to meet you and welcome you into our family.
46:08I'm really, really sorry that I can't be there today,
46:10but I promise I will come and visit you soon.
46:13Love you forever, your youngest brother, Jimmy.
46:16APPLAUSE
46:17I believe it, Michael.
46:18I believe it, Michael.
46:19I believe it, Michael.
46:20I believe it, Michael.
46:21I believe it, Michael.
46:22I believe it, Michael.
46:23It's a picture of your mother,
46:24a message from Jimmy, and guess what?
46:25Frank's here.
46:26Oh, my gosh.
46:27These get me these parts.
46:28Frank's on the Jeremy Cairns show.
46:29APPLAUSE
46:30APPLAUSE
47:25So, thank you.
47:27But I'm not going to expect you to say too much,
47:29but he wants to tell you one thing the first thing this man said to us was what about your mum she
47:34always loved you i know she didn't want to give you up i know i know i know thank you and jimmy
47:45will come and see you soon we'll arrange that and you happy yeah very very thank you thank you
47:49and your team they do it's the team thank you yeah and you know when when we you know when we've done
47:55something proper old graham gets the volivants out in the pod can you go that way give him a round of
48:00applause see you later guys lovely way to end this morning i am out of time if you want to be on my
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48:26tonight on the kyle files
48:31listen at the moment i'm going to detain you for a search and there's a misuse of drugs
48:46that is absolutely disintegrating isn't it
48:55so
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