What is the best generation?
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00:00:09Welcome to another conversation on manhood.
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00:00:31but certainly I'm really happy to have this panel here with me.
00:00:34To my right, Johan Seyoudikaya Behavior Change Consultant.
00:00:38To his right, Troy Hadid, author of My Name is Love.
00:00:44A really good read.
00:00:45Get yourself a copy.
00:00:46Very apt to today's topic as well.
00:00:49Troy is also an entrepreneur and he wears so many other hats.
00:00:53And to his right, behavior, you know, provocateur.
00:01:00Behavior too, yeah?
00:01:01But also, in some ways, you know, behavior change in terms of, yeah.
00:01:08Just not a consultant.
00:01:09No behavior, yeah.
00:01:09Just not a consultant or a specialist.
00:01:11I feel like I'm in there.
00:01:12Lanny Delo.
00:01:13But we appreciate you.
00:01:17And, you know, Johan Seyoudikaya, I'm really looking forward to see
00:01:20who, between Troy and Niall, you know, really provoke this conversation here today.
00:01:28Because it's a big one.
00:01:29There's a lot of depth in this one.
00:01:32And the topic is, simply put, are we a lost generation?
00:01:39So, before I go into the topic, I want to read what I understand.
00:01:44You know, they say, after God is Google.
00:01:46Put on the glasses here.
00:01:48So, generation names.
00:01:50The greatest generation born 1901 to 1927.
00:01:55The silent generation born 1928 to 1945.
00:02:00That's my granny and grandfather, the grandparents.
00:02:04Okay.
00:02:04Think that, man.
00:02:06My parents.
00:02:071920 to 1945, yeah?
00:02:09So, how old would?
00:02:101945, I sure.
00:02:11Yeah.
00:02:12Because my parents born around 1950.
00:02:14So, grandparents had to be 40.
00:02:17Then there are the baby boomer generation born 1946 to 1964, which would be my parents.
00:02:24Generation X, born 1965 to 1980.
00:02:28You, you fallen with baby boomer or, wait.
00:02:32Irony cusp.
00:02:33Huh?
00:02:33Irony cusp.
00:02:34You're the cusp there, right?
00:02:35You know, the white-hairs don't like, right?
00:02:37So, generation X born 1965 to 1980.
00:02:40I own it up, but I am a generation X.
00:02:42I like that gen X.
00:02:43As a ring tip.
00:02:45Millennials, born 1981 to 1996.
00:02:49Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
00:02:50Generation Z, born 1996 to 2012.
00:02:53And Gen Alpha, born 2013 to 2025.
00:02:58So, the topic really today is going to be surrounded around millennials and Gen Zs.
00:03:04So, it goes on to talk about that Gen Zs, sorry, millennials expect faster customer service.
00:03:13And Gen Zs tend to be better at accepting delayed gratification than millennials.
00:03:19Right?
00:03:20Millennial customer service expectations are higher than Gen Z customers.
00:03:23Now, we're not saying that this is exactly how everyone feels, you know?
00:03:27That's interesting.
00:03:28So, like we say, you know, we're not speaking on behalf of all brothers and sisters.
00:03:33We are a few men talking to everyone.
00:03:35Yeah, we train our things to.
00:03:37So, it's the same thing that we're not saying that all millennials, you know, someone might be listening to this and going,
00:03:41that's not how I feel.
00:03:43We're just, you know, there's a survey.
00:03:45And we know a survey only gets to certain people, right?
00:03:49But we're talking generally here.
00:03:51And if we look at, you know, like someone calling themselves somebody else a narcissist, you know, some people have traits.
00:03:56And in this case, I'm sure by the end of this discussion, you will find yourself having traits to what we're speaking about.
00:04:03And again, we're not coming down on anybody.
00:04:05We're here to have a discussion, to have a relate, to relate some sort of relatability.
00:04:10And then from there, hopefully, to provoke some thought for a better and more positive behavior, yeah?
00:04:18So, it goes on to say, what is important to Gen Z is whether they feel like their life matters and they're making a difference.
00:04:25More so than, I'm going to work to make a ton of money and I want a big promotion, right?
00:04:31So, this was a real interesting part for me with regards to Generation Z, is that they now, they place less value on sex.
00:04:43So, number of partners doesn't matter.
00:04:46You know, before people always say, what's your number?
00:04:49Or, you know, why are you going to sleep with so many people?
00:04:52I guess that's how you were raised, you know?
00:04:54And all these different judgments and for many reasons.
00:04:57You know, I'm not knocking religion or STDs and all that.
00:05:00I'm just saying that the value on partners and sex is no longer, it's not seen as a thing.
00:05:07And my body is a temple, right?
00:05:10So, it's, that's...
00:05:12As in, they don't think that?
00:05:13They don't think they're...
00:05:13They don't think my body is a temple.
00:05:14It's not that they...
00:05:17I'm assuming, based on this, it's not like they don't care.
00:05:20It's just the value is not...
00:05:22That's not, if you look at Maslow's theory, their self-actualization, the top of the pyramid is not that.
00:05:28But, you know, again, we're not speaking.
00:05:31Well, I'm glad you highlighted this because every time I think about the generations and try to categorize it, I have to pull out my phone and look at this every time.
00:05:40Every time.
00:05:40And I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing because sometimes, yes, I know we could categorize everything, but sometimes I don't want to categorize it.
00:05:47I mean, I just have a friend or relating to somebody who's either older than me or younger than me.
00:05:54And I'm saying we always have this thing, humans, that we want to categorize everything and then based on the category, judge it.
00:06:02And most times, judge it negatively.
00:06:05It's not in a positive way.
00:06:07So, something wrong with the Gen X, that's above me.
00:06:10Then the Gen X thinks something wrong with the millennials.
00:06:12Then the millennials think something wrong with Gen Z.
00:06:16And then Gen Z might think something wrong with, was it the last one?
00:06:19Generation Alpha.
00:06:21Yeah.
00:06:21Right?
00:06:22So, is it then that we're almost saying that, you know, everyone has these narcissistic traits?
00:06:26There's always somebody else to blame.
00:06:28Well, yeah, that's a good one.
00:06:31And to even understand, and I've seen this loosely for something we could discuss.
00:06:35Because every generation is a result of the other generation, the previous generation.
00:06:40Correct.
00:06:40It's like cause and effect.
00:06:42And I'm even saying fault.
00:06:43Cause and effect.
00:06:45Because if one generation was silent, that means the next generation was a little loud.
00:06:49Right?
00:06:49That's baby boomers.
00:06:50I think they were more the, that's hippie or gypsy.
00:06:54No, that's wrong.
00:06:55But the baby boomers, they were a little louder.
00:06:58No, I don't remember.
00:06:59But if it's the hippie time.
00:07:00No, not the generation.
00:07:00If you don't remember, you're growing up.
00:07:02You're tying.
00:07:02No?
00:07:03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:07:03All right.
00:07:04And then each generation is the result.
00:07:08Whether it is a positive thing or negative thing.
00:07:11But I would say all generations, this is my opinion, are more intelligent than the previous generation.
00:07:18If we're doing something right.
00:07:20No.
00:07:20Not even that.
00:07:22What I want to, are you saying that we are a lost?
00:07:25No.
00:07:26I don't agree with that.
00:07:27We are not lost.
00:07:28You're not agreeing with that.
00:07:28Troy.
00:07:29Right.
00:07:29Nah.
00:07:29I also want to say that I, like Johansi, I am timeless.
00:07:35So, I rarely connect to any of these things.
00:07:38Generation and labels of generations.
00:07:40Right?
00:07:41And I want to say, I'm going to say the same thing Johansi just said, but in a different way.
00:07:49I am responsible for all that comes after me and around me.
00:07:54So, for the older generation to blame the younger generation for something, check yourself because you shape that generation.
00:08:03So, what about your system and your conditioning and the things you accepted as normal shape that generation that you have a problem with?
00:08:14You shape them.
00:08:15So, and that's a responsibility we all have to take on, you know, is we have to look at what is our contribution to society, to conditioning, to what we consider normal, right, within society.
00:08:30And what is it that my generation might be doing that is shaping a future generation in a way that I consider might be misaligned?
00:08:42And how did I contribute to that, right?
00:08:45And so, I wanted to, because I just wanted to, so if we're saying that, and I, that point really resounded me.
00:08:55The fact that we, we are responsible.
00:08:57Yeah.
00:08:58Whether it's in a negative way, for the positives and the negatives, we are responsible for that shaping.
00:09:05But now that we see that, when we say we are lost generation, there's a negative connotation to that.
00:09:11So, people feel because of the levels of crime, you know, the fact that there's no, people have lost religion, as we mentioned about, you know, the sexual, you know, or moralistic values.
00:09:21People are apathetic in a particular way to, you know, as we see the amount of crime that's happening and the way the killings are happening, you know, the entitlements, all of these different things.
00:09:31We, you know, as a generation and our generations can look and say, okay, well, we progressively in a negative and a positive way caused this now, right?
00:09:41As we talk about cause and effect.
00:09:43But, is it that, you know, someone could just say, okay, well, this generation could say, okay, well, you caused this, so then we just hold our hands up?
00:09:53Nah, well, I don't believe there's any, um, blame anyway.
00:09:58I think, um, we are, we are in this together and we are shaping this and everything, every one of us contribute shapes this.
00:10:06You know, and if we're talking about Trinidad, well, we have a serious cultural issue that needs to be addressed, a social issue that needs to be addressed.
00:10:16And, um, not to take it right away, but in my lifetime, you're talking four decades, I don't believe our government and leaders have, not to say they haven't intended to or they haven't tried, but they haven't been able to address it the way it needs to be addressed.
00:10:33And I think that, um, private sector needs to get involved.
00:10:38We as individuals need to take up responsibility.
00:10:41And I also have resistance that we're lost.
00:10:45Because I don't think we're lost.
00:10:48I think we're learning.
00:10:49Learning and unlearning.
00:10:52It's like, um, imagine the analogy, you want six-pack abs and you go to a gym and your gym instructor killing you and you feel like you're dying.
00:11:01Right there then, that painful, right?
00:11:03With making you stronger.
00:11:05And I feel that maybe on an emotional, mental, spiritual level, as a collective, right now, we're doing that, we're in that six-pack abs stage.
00:11:14We're getting drilled.
00:11:16And, um, we just have to really look at how we get out of it and what we have to learn through it all.
00:11:23So, you're saying this is almost like a metamorphosis to a better world, as opposed to people looking at it and saying, hey, we are killing this world.
00:11:33Well, let me pray this way.
00:11:35Sorry, you want to.
00:11:36What choice do we have?
00:11:38What choice do we have?
00:11:40We have to evolve.
00:11:41Yeah, and we have to choose to believe that and we have to do everything we can every day to try to create a better world.
00:11:50What choice do we have?
00:11:51I think there's a bit of inevitability we're talking about as well, because at the end of the day, we all want to live in a better world.
00:11:59And inevitability, it's going to be that for whatever generation is in power at the time, right?
00:12:04And I like what you said when you say about unlearning, because like Troy, I have a problem with the word lost.
00:12:11And for me, I think it's an unlearning that each generation is happening, because the generation before them was trying to impose what they have learned before onto the generation after.
00:12:25And I think that that disconnect as the, what happens is that there's an overstay.
00:12:30Every generation happens.
00:12:31So, it had a silent generation.
00:12:34Of course, the next generation is boomers.
00:12:36You know, there's an explosion after the silence.
00:12:39So, with that overstay that's always happening, the reason why the next generation after the millennials, they don't put so much emphasis on sex.
00:12:50Because the generations before us in the love movement, that was a big thing.
00:12:56Then, of course, a lot of divorces were happening.
00:12:58So, we don't want to make the mistakes of our parents.
00:13:03At least, that's how I'm looking at it.
00:13:04This is why the overstay is happening.
00:13:06This is why we don't want to go into the workplace or the job place and work for 65 years and then retire and say, okay, now I can play.
00:13:15We don't want that.
00:13:15So, again, back to, it's not lost.
00:13:21It's more an unlearning.
00:13:22And every generation don't like when their children don't listen to what they think is important.
00:13:29Exactly.
00:13:30I'm hearing, again, you know, there's a wow moment inside of here.
00:13:36I mean, I don't know if he intended to hit me with that wow, but overall, everyone making their contributions.
00:13:43So, I understand that we don't like the word lost, right?
00:13:47But the perception and the sort of headline right now as we talk about what's happening in our country, right, is are we lost?
00:13:56The behaviors that we're seeing, and I'm talking about, you know, whether it be the poorer communities where, you know, the life expectancy is 25.
00:14:06You know, is it, you know, where we're going around in different class systems of this sense of entitlement that there's a correlation between that and what we're seeing in some of the poorer communities?
00:14:19Because, you know, I remember a friend of mine writing an article on this to say that are we helping or are we trying to intervene in these communities to help because we want to help?
00:14:34Or are we simply saying, hey, look, let me assist you so that you stay there and stay out of my area, right?
00:14:41And therefore, when you have that environment of people feeling oppressed or things that are unfair, they're going to retaliate.
00:14:49And over generations of that retaliation, of unfairness, people now become somewhat feral where they don't, they might not even understand where this comes from.
00:14:59But the behaviors learned or acquired over a period of time, and now you've reached an area, an environment now where how do you control that or how do you rid, not of the person, but of the behaviors that are causing this real negative impact on society, right?
00:15:22And you mentioned something there that I wonder if the topic today when we say are we a lost generation, where we talked about a silent generation.
00:15:34Now, the silent generation was named as a result of the saying that children should be seen and not heard.
00:15:44That was the way they were brought up.
00:15:47So it's almost like you are suppressing someone's emotion and they are somewhat oppressed as a result of it.
00:15:53Then comes after that the generation who's revolting, the baby boomers, who say, well, you're not going to basically tell me what to do, right?
00:16:00And then there was a level of oppression again.
00:16:02And then there was the hippie movement, as we say, you know, and then you come almost to Gen X, sort of in between riding, which was a shorter period, into millennials now where you came almost somewhat controlled again, now going into Gen X.
00:16:18That's, again, almost revolting to that and saying we are going to do something different.
00:16:25I am a unicorn.
00:16:26I am this.
00:16:26I am that.
00:16:27So even though it might be seen as ridiculous, it's like on the total opposite end of the spectrum.
00:16:32So are we saying that basically we are, as humans, we're just not meant to be oppressed?
00:16:38We're not meant, humans are dynamic creatures.
00:16:41And as we say that, we go into a break.
00:16:44But understanding humans are dynamic creatures.
00:16:46So, therefore, one generation cannot be the same as the next generation, even if that generation is trying its hardest to keep it that way.
00:16:55So this is Manhood.
00:16:56Thank you very much for viewing so far.
00:16:58And we'll be right back.
00:17:10Yeah, love.
00:17:11Welcome back from a break.
00:17:13And I'm chatting about whether we are lost generation or are we a free generation.
00:17:20Yeah.
00:17:21So let me straight up a little bit.
00:17:22If we were to assign some blame, right?
00:17:25Now, we don't believe in the blame.
00:17:26But if we were to assign some blame, I will put some blame both on Generation X and baby boomers, you know.
00:17:32Because Generation X and baby boomers, especially, I think, Generation X, because it's my more immediate experience, they like things their way.
00:17:41They're still trying to hold on to leadership instead of relinquishing it to the other generations.
00:17:48And I say relinquish doesn't mean that we, because I'm in the younger generation, don't revere you as a leader because you put things in place for us.
00:17:58But your ideas outdated, right?
00:18:02And as we were talking outside in the break, that most ideas you're putting in place, you wouldn't even be alive for.
00:18:11So therefore, I mean, this could be the ideal world, but we're not in the ideal world where collaboration is the thing.
00:18:17But once you're trying to hold on to something that no longer exists, you will get a fight.
00:18:22And you'll get a fight in some way, because I think Millennial, as my generation, our fight was more, we're just not doing anything.
00:18:29We ain't making no children because I think our generation is a generation with the least children.
00:18:34We ain't making no children.
00:18:35We ain't getting married.
00:18:36We ain't doing nothing.
00:18:37We ain't going out of work nowhere.
00:18:39We ain't going out of work nowhere.
00:18:40We ain't not doing nothing.
00:18:41So we were more apathetic.
00:18:43And we took, let's say, a passive, let's call it a passive approach, a passive resistance.
00:18:47Versus, as you were saying, the Gen Z and the Gen Alpha taking a more violent approach to it.
00:18:53Aggressive.
00:18:54What was that?
00:18:55Aggressive.
00:18:56Aggressive.
00:18:56So let me, before you go on, let me put this in context, because I said that at the break.
00:19:01So to our viewers, what I was referring to is that a lot of times we look at a lot of these riots and revolts and things that we see even, you know, during any sort of climate change summit or conference.
00:19:13And we look at them and go, look at this lost generation.
00:19:17Look at this behavior.
00:19:18And it was pointed out to me.
00:19:20And it was so apt at that moment that what they're doing, they're not lost.
00:19:26They're not unruly.
00:19:28They're simply trying to survive.
00:19:31There's this saying that they say, plant a tree for which shade you may never experience.
00:19:34And that's set in a positive light.
00:19:37But what about the negative side to that?
00:19:39These individuals are doing things that are not, are probably not going to affect them.
00:19:44It's going to affect these same, quote unquote, unruly children that we are seeing who are throwing paint on statues and buildings and so on.
00:19:52And they're trying simply to say, stop what you're doing because I am the one that's going to live in famine.
00:19:58I am the one that's going to live with these weather patterns and, you know, carbon emissions and all of these different things.
00:20:05And also, if I choose I want to have a child, I am the one that's going to have to raise a child.
00:20:10And that child is also going to have to deal with the effects of something that you're doing now.
00:20:16And it gave me so much, so much pause and clarity into the perspective of not unruly.
00:20:24They're trying to survive based on the decision that you're making now.
00:20:27I feel it's important to mention that you was having a conversation with a 17-year-old about that topic.
00:20:33I feel that that's the only thing that you missed.
00:20:35Yeah.
00:20:36That's why it came out.
00:20:38So that means the millennials, the gen Z in general for fighting the nonsense, the gen X and the baby boomers do because they create things.
00:20:47And again, I've been a little bit devil's advocate here because I still appreciate all foundations that was brought because the things I learned, of course, is what they taught me.
00:20:59But if I'm being a little real here, the generation X and the baby boomers, they like things their way and they want to live forever.
00:21:07I'm going to have to interject.
00:21:09We all like things our way.
00:21:11That is human nature.
00:21:13Yes and no, you know.
00:21:14It's human nature.
00:21:15Some generation like for me.
00:21:17Human nature evolved.
00:21:19No, but we all like things our way.
00:21:21That is just the reality of life.
00:21:22I can still allow people like the gen X and the gen Z, sorry, and the gen alpha.
00:21:27You all could do all your things, you know.
00:21:29I'm not trying to make all your do anything, even though I want my life a certain way.
00:21:33Right.
00:21:34I'm okay to, you do your thing.
00:21:36Let me see what it looked like versus the generations above me.
00:21:39They didn't have that at all.
00:21:41I want things my way and you have to do things my way.
00:21:44But we pointed out, and as I said, it's something you mentioned, Niall, where we spoke about the generations.
00:21:49And it was really apt, again, that when you spoke about the generation, we spoke about revolts conforming.
00:21:57It's almost like, you know, think of it as a line of survivability.
00:22:01You know, you have the flat line that goes boop, boop, flat line, boop, boop.
00:22:04You have to, you have to stabilize.
00:22:08So say, for example, the millennial, you come from millennial.
00:22:11So we're, the millennials are more like the stability, right?
00:22:15Now we're going into a generation that has to boop, boop, come out and tackle what we consider norm.
00:22:23Because it's no longer normal.
00:22:25Everything's evolving.
00:22:27And to evolve in that, we're now, because we don't see it as normal, we consider it abnormal, that behavior.
00:22:32And all it's doing is taking us to that next level, that next step.
00:22:36And then their generation after that might then plateau again.
00:22:40Because they don't have to fight.
00:22:43They don't have to go out and hunt.
00:22:45And then after that, now things will change again.
00:22:48Well, just to put in context, a stable line means dead to me, right?
00:22:54Flat line.
00:22:55Flat line.
00:22:55That's a flat line, but I'm talking about, you know, just a heartbeat.
00:22:58So this is actually a heartbeat of a nation or a world or, you know, or humanity.
00:23:04And just, can we move away from the blame?
00:23:07I actually think that blaming the generation above or below is the problem.
00:23:12I think the actual...
00:23:13I was just stirring things up.
00:23:15I don't really believe in the blame, but go ahead.
00:23:16No, no, no.
00:23:16He also mentioned cause and effect.
00:23:18And it's not so much blame, because as much as you...
00:23:21Blame is part of it.
00:23:22And that, you know, we are narcissistic mentality where there are traits to that.
00:23:27Because there is blame that needs to be apportioned, right?
00:23:30But there's also the good things also need to be brought to the force in cause and effect.
00:23:35The cause of the good and the bad of the next generation would have been as a result of the generations before them.
00:23:42The generations surviving.
00:23:43So if you put in anything like blame, there must also be accountability.
00:23:52And I can't hold a mirror up to anybody else unless I'm willing to be accountable for my contribution.
00:24:01Indeed.
00:24:02Because it's always my contribution, right?
00:24:04And I agree that let's remove blame altogether.
00:24:09It's real simple, you know.
00:24:12Every word, action, and thought contributes to the world we live in.
00:24:15Each one of us.
00:24:16Every single one of us.
00:24:18Yeah.
00:24:18So, if I want to change your mind, right?
00:24:24There's a difference between changing your mind and changing you on a heart level.
00:24:29Okay.
00:24:30The second I start to blame you or judge you...
00:24:33I lock it up.
00:24:33We get in this.
00:24:34I lock it up.
00:24:35We get in this.
00:24:35I lock it up.
00:24:36But I want to understand, well, why you feel that way?
00:24:40What made you feel that way?
00:24:43And what conditioning have you experienced?
00:24:46Because I got to come and tell you how to be or how to do.
00:24:49I want to understand what you're experiencing to say, all right, well, how can we make different choices?
00:24:57Okay.
00:24:57Because here's the reality.
00:24:59Everybody wants to be safe, secure, loved, live in a happy world.
00:25:05Not everybody has to drive a Range Rover and live some luxurious life.
00:25:11But right now, we're living in a space, and let's talk Trinidad.
00:25:14We're living in a space and a society and a country where I will go out on an edge and say, I would say the majority of our people, in some way, lack a sense of safety and security.
00:25:28They don't feel like they're part of a collective.
00:25:31They can't see a future.
00:25:33So, how are you supposed to give a s**t?
00:25:37You want me to care about a society and a collective that never actually cared for me in the first place?
00:25:45Fairness and unfairness coming down to it.
00:25:47You know, and as you mentioned that, you know, about, you know, not everyone has to drive a Range Rover.
00:25:52You know, like when the journalist asked Bob Marley, are you a rich man?
00:25:55You know, and he asked him, what is rich?
00:25:57Is it materials?
00:25:59You know, how do we perceive it as?
00:26:01What we perceive it as?
00:26:02Somebody, somebody like, you know, we know of some billionaires and millionaires who have passed.
00:26:07Let's look at Steve Jobs, you know, in his dying moments.
00:26:11You know, would he have considered himself being rich as in the billions that he had?
00:26:14Or if he had good health, you know, a good family life at that point.
00:26:21So, when we look at generations and we talk about that fairness and we come down, you know, I like to quote, you know, I refer to Maslow's theory.
00:26:29The basic needs and the fundamentals, shelter, safety, you know, love, those two things that humanity wants, which is to be enough and to be loved, is not happening.
00:26:43But sometimes, is it a necessary evil to get us as a movement, as a generation to the next level?
00:26:51I would say yes or no.
00:26:53It's a necessary evil because if we, I'll even go generation after me, if we and they not getting it, then they have to find a way to get it.
00:27:04And in finding that way, that's how they will evolve.
00:27:07So, that's the yes part necessary.
00:27:09The no necessary part is because, of course, I'm not speaking about all members of the generation.
00:27:15But if analyzing it, right, I'll say Gen, there was the one before me, Gen X, right?
00:27:21Their, some of their methodology was to withhold.
00:27:24If you're not doing what I want you to do, then I will withhold these things from you.
00:27:28So, therefore, it trickled down into the generations.
00:27:30If you're not following what I say to do, then I will withhold.
00:27:33And that withholdal, I don't know, but that withholdment, create what we have now, where people have to fight for it, and literally, and sometimes the generation X don't like that.
00:27:51It's because I withhold it from me, and they can't fight back, and they shouldn't fight back.
00:27:55So, now, you are the problem, not even identifying that we were part of the problem.
00:28:00And, again, we're not necessarily assigning blame, but if we're going to cause and effect, and I try, I like what they say about accountability, because if I come into my generation now, because I think my generation will, like, well, we're not doing nothing then, right?
00:28:13We didn't, we didn't mentor the generation after us, because if you want to do that, you do that.
00:28:20If you want us to do this, we're not doing anything.
00:28:22So, we're just kind of hands-off.
00:28:24So, because of that hands-off approach also, the generation after us didn't get that guidance.
00:28:29So, this is, and I appreciate everything you said there, Johansson, and, of course, even the, you know, opening segment on Salvo and this one, it really gave some insight.
00:28:42And also, all of these generations, there's transition.
00:28:45So, in the Millennials and the Gen X, Gen X in particular, there was the transitional from A-track and record players to the technology that we have.
00:28:53Millennials and not with Gen X, there's less appreciation for that, because it just was there, right?
00:28:59So, you know, there's social media, internet.
00:29:03Nah, for sure, it wasn't just there, because we grew up, I think it's teammates from Millennials.
00:29:06No, I'm saying Millennials in terms of, specifically, okay, let's talk about Gen Z, right?
00:29:12You grew up in an era of the technology of cell phones and things like that.
00:29:17So, any advancement is not really that a preach, it's not a preach, it's not like a wow moment, because, you know,
00:29:23it was always there.
00:29:25For someone like myself, who, like I said, you know, when they had Beta and VHS and these players coming out on black and white,
00:29:32the colour TV, and now all this technology, I keep getting wowed by the advancement in technology, right?
00:29:38So, like, I keep going about the bump, there's the flat, and there's different areas in technology.
00:29:43What I want us to use the rest of this show to get to is, again, we understand that we're not, we have the appreciation that we're not a lost generation.
00:29:53Agreed, Troy?
00:29:54Agreed.
00:29:55But, as I said, we don't, we're not speaking on behalf of everyone, but there is the headline, and there is that belief in Trinidad and Tobago,
00:30:07by persons in conversation, et cetera, that, hey, you hear it all the time, we're a lost generation.
00:30:13And by that, we are referring to the levels of crime, our morals, you know, people turning up for, you know, with regards to religion, all of these things.
00:30:22So, I want to bring it back down to home, right?
00:30:25And what is it you said about something about being abroad, about your dance?
00:30:28Dance home before you dance abroad.
00:30:30And so, when we look at our levels of crime, crime and criminality and all these different, what is our way back?
00:30:40How do we become sweet TNT?
00:30:43Because we are agreeing we're not lost.
00:30:45So, what is the way to be found?
00:30:48Understanding.
00:30:49The willingness to understand.
00:30:52Because, let's just say, each generation speak a different language than the generation before.
00:30:57But if I don't take the time, if I'm speaking Spanish and you speak in French, I could just say, well, will you say any stupidness?
00:31:03Because I don't understand it.
00:31:05But instead, oh, you lost.
00:31:06Yes, I can't even get to you.
00:31:07If I'm speaking a different language.
00:31:10But if I decide to take time to figure it out.
00:31:13And I'll give you an example.
00:31:15Clients I have ages 18 and below.
00:31:20Sometimes how they speak to me is based on memes or pictures.
00:31:24So, they don't speak to me with words.
00:31:26So, what do you mean by this?
00:31:29I would get a meme.
00:31:30What you're trying to say, how are you feeling today?
00:31:32I would get a picture.
00:31:33And I could always say, well, I'm to this generation, X, Y, Z, versus, okay.
00:31:38I do that as well.
00:31:39Right.
00:31:40Versus, okay.
00:31:41What are you trying to say here?
00:31:42And I would even make jokes.
00:31:43I say, well, I's an old man now.
00:31:44I don't understand what this meme is.
00:31:47And they would explain it to me.
00:31:48And of course, any knowledge gain is no knowledge lost.
00:31:51So, that now that I understand this a little better, I could understand someone else in a different way.
00:31:56And even now, come up with my own way of communicating with them by sending a meme.
00:32:00And they understand me a little better.
00:32:02So, I think that's a way of coming back.
00:32:05Taking the time to understand.
00:32:09And with that, we will go to a commercial break.
00:32:13And we will get back to you because it's going to get spicy already.
00:32:15I have something to start you with.
00:32:17All right.
00:32:18Perfect.
00:32:18Perfect.
00:32:18Perfect.
00:32:21All right.
00:32:30And we're back from the break.
00:32:33As always, we have Robert, Johansson, and Troy here.
00:32:36And the topic today is, is the generation lost?
00:32:40I don't believe in using the term lost.
00:32:43But, Robert, you said something.
00:32:45And I felt like I needed to bring up some topic, right?
00:32:48Speaking about the criminality and how to come back into bringing sweet tea into you again.
00:32:55What you're talking about, there's a generational trauma that's happening and have nothing to do with generation being lost or not.
00:33:03That is a societal issue.
00:33:05That's really the issue, right?
00:33:06Quick solve for me is the separation of an actual generation.
00:33:14So, I think from the ages of, from the ages of 13 to 16, full curfew for five years.
00:33:24Cannot be outside, full curfew.
00:33:26I'm telling you.
00:33:27Interesting.
00:33:28All right.
00:33:28Go ahead.
00:33:28Go ahead.
00:33:28There's a point in the show that sometimes I do this box, right?
00:33:31And I see the views and expressions expressed here.
00:33:36If you're under the age and you're in school, you have a curfew.
00:33:40You can't realize that, again, it's a teaching.
00:33:43It's an unlearning that has to happen.
00:33:45And you're going on practicality.
00:33:46So, let me take your point and let me get a smile there.
00:33:49Go ahead.
00:33:50Go ahead.
00:33:50Not at the Cali B house, you know.
00:33:52How about between 13 and 16, they had to go and live in the bush.
00:33:56Something called forest school and they had to go back to what's important.
00:34:02I had a friend with Jet telling me they're working on this beautiful thing.
00:34:05But to get them back to what's important, get them away from the internet, from the device.
00:34:12I think I need a ear or something in the bush through door.
00:34:16I understand exactly where you're from.
00:34:18Tell me what you're looking at.
00:34:18No, for me, when I said curfew, it wasn't.
00:34:21You can't come out.
00:34:22Right.
00:34:22You're not locking them up.
00:34:23But what I realized is that the information, because gangsters and bandits and bad boys
00:34:30not being born, they're being made.
00:34:34They're being taught how to be these things, right?
00:34:36And most of the times this teaching is happening is on the block, right?
00:34:41After school hours, between 2.30 or 3 o'clock to about 8 or 9 o'clock at night.
00:34:47That is literally the time that the age group between 13 and 16 are outside learning to become gunmen.
00:34:54That's the reality of it.
00:34:55That's how I break it down.
00:34:56If you break down or remove that block for 5 years, that is just from secondary school,
00:35:03the whole 5 years of secondary school, I think that you have a better chance of some sort of being able to unlearn what is being taught on the streets.
00:35:12Now, have them out still, but they have to have some kind of supervision.
00:35:16They have rail parks everywhere.
00:35:18If you're outside after school hours, you have to be accompanied by somebody, some kind of, some parent.
00:35:24And if it is that it does not happen, the parents get locked up.
00:35:28All right.
00:35:29So, I wanted to continue on that point.
00:35:34And so, what happens is you go to this forest school or you are extracurricular.
00:35:42Some form of incarceration.
00:35:43Supervision.
00:35:44Supervision between those hours.
00:35:45Which I think guidance should be at a younger age, maybe from 10 to 16, right?
00:35:50Okay.
00:35:50But I'm saying that what then happens in, at some point, two things can happen, right?
00:35:55You're going to, after you do that, maybe one or two generations, then you don't have to rescue anybody at that point
00:36:02because that generation will now be teaching the other generation anyway.
00:36:04So, if you've rehabilitated one by the second or third, you now just have a non-norm.
00:36:10But in order to do that, when they go back home and they go back into their dwellings, go back into their community,
00:36:16how are we changing that, those circumstances of being impoverished, being unfairly treated,
00:36:24lack of jobs or lack of facilities, all of these different things, that also needs to be addressed.
00:36:32Totally agree.
00:36:33And in terms of fairness across the board where you don't have percentages or in terms of where you have environments of the rich
00:36:41and then you have the poor because we don't even really have a middle class anymore.
00:36:45So, unless you start to address those things, what are they going back home to?
00:36:50Well, that's easy.
00:36:51The reality is, I look at it as you can't save everybody, right?
00:36:56You're just trying to save the generation after you.
00:36:59So, until a new generation comes in power who does not have that trauma that they have experienced from the past
00:37:08because the fact that it's of nepotism, cronyism and corruption currently with the generation above us,
00:37:15I'm not calling any names.
00:37:17It is alleged.
00:37:18It is alleged.
00:37:18I can pause you there for a moment.
00:37:19Of course you can.
00:37:20For the next generation not to have the trauma that means me and you, we are the heal.
00:37:26We are the heal.
00:37:26I agree.
00:37:27We do.
00:37:28That is the only way.
00:37:29And we're also here, Troy, talking about the crime that confronts us and affects us mostly because of murders and rape and things like that.
00:37:39But what about other levels?
00:37:40What about blue collar?
00:37:41What about white collar?
00:37:43What about green?
00:37:44What about all these other?
00:37:45What about all these levels?
00:37:47You see, 19, we millennials, we are the avengers.
00:37:51We are the avengers.
00:37:53We are the people to save everybody.
00:37:55Save all you.
00:37:55Save everybody.
00:37:56I hope you're not saying that by yourself.
00:37:58No, I'm not saying that by yourself because I thought about it already.
00:38:02Even, okay, in my profession.
00:38:03So, why are you not doing it?
00:38:04I'm also seeing.
00:38:05Who say you're not doing it?
00:38:06We're doing it right now.
00:38:07Exactly.
00:38:07This conversation is because.
00:38:09No, no, no.
00:38:09Not you particularly, Johansson.
00:38:11I'm talking about if you're seeing the generation.
00:38:13No, plenty of people doing it.
00:38:15Plenty of people doing it.
00:38:17Passively and actively.
00:38:19Because sometimes you even pulling away and you doing your own thing and you, let's call it passive resistance to the generation before.
00:38:25That could inspire somebody to do something.
00:38:29And I'm saying that because we, so we go to the accountability part now.
00:38:34We have that responsibility because we planting the seed again.
00:38:38We mightn't see the shade.
00:38:39We might, sorry, enjoy the shade of it.
00:38:40But, and this is our own healing because we are the heal from the ex and the boomers, but we can't blame them because the fact is we are adults now.
00:38:51So that's our responsibility.
00:38:52And they were doing their best.
00:38:53And they were doing their best.
00:38:54They were doing their best.
00:38:55That was their conditioning from the generation before.
00:38:57So let me say, Generation X, thank you very much for doing your best, right?
00:39:01Shaking hand.
00:39:01I don't know why, brother.
00:39:02Right?
00:39:03For doing your best.
00:39:04I'm just a good guy.
00:39:04And I would say that, I would say my parents, they did their best.
00:39:08My grandparents, they did their best with what they have.
00:39:10Just like how we should do our best with what we have.
00:39:14It mightn't be perfect because we could always find a loophole somewhere.
00:39:17But if we know, if we go to our graves knowing that we do our best, which is to heal, which is also to stand up for what we believe in.
00:39:30Because that's what every generation should do, you know, stand up for what they believe in.
00:39:35Now, it may be contrary or even opposite to the generation before us.
00:39:39It may be even different to the society we live in.
00:39:42But we should, you know, I'm not saying should in this case.
00:39:46We have to.
00:39:47I don't like telling people what they have to do.
00:39:49But we have to stand up for what we believe.
00:39:51So, just to touch on your point or get clarity on your point, you're 45 and under, 44 and under, right?
00:40:02So, you're saying if you look at our life expectancy of, say, 80, in the next...
00:40:09Now, let me go with the Bible.
00:40:10Three score and ten.
00:40:12Eighty?
00:40:14Mm-hmm.
00:40:15That's all?
00:40:16It's three score and ten.
00:40:17No, that's 70.
00:40:1770.
00:40:17Okay.
00:40:18So, 70 years old.
00:40:1970.
00:40:20Three score and ten, right?
00:40:21So, that is 70.
00:40:23So, we don't, 44, like, you know, the quick math says it's 26 years.
00:40:26And 26 years from now, you're saying that, basically, the world is going to be saved.
00:40:34No, it can be saved if we do it.
00:40:37Well, yeah, but ifs, ands, and buts, and maybes is all, you know, we hypothesize in here.
00:40:42But if you're saying to me that the millennia, you've just made a statement that your generation is the one to save.
00:40:47Yes, we're going to save it, yes.
00:40:48So, that, therefore, if it's something that they understand, at some point,
00:40:51at some point, the, that metamorphosis is going to happen, and the millennials are going to find a way and say, enough is enough, stop the s***, right?
00:41:01Mm-hmm.
00:41:01And the planet's going to be saved in 26 years.
00:41:03Yes, we're going to save it in 26 years.
00:41:05Or at least set the tone for them to finish it off, for the Z and Alpha to finish it.
00:41:13My name is Love, let me hear.
00:41:14Well, boy, I have so much to say.
00:41:16Go ahead.
00:41:16We're giving you the time to say it.
00:41:18We're giving you the time to say it.
00:41:19But at one time, I want to put a pin in what Johansson just said.
00:41:23While I 100% agree with him, but they have two sides to most things, and it's important to look at both of them.
00:41:32And he said, stand up for what you believe in.
00:41:35And he's right.
00:41:36I would also say, question what you believe in.
00:41:41Because a lot of the time, our sense of identity is our opinions and our belief systems.
00:41:50But where did that come from?
00:41:53Because for so much of us, our belief system is a conditioning.
00:42:00It is something we have been told by our family, our friends, our social circles.
00:42:07And I am telling you, before you stand up and believe it and put your life on the line, question it.
00:42:15Who does it serve?
00:42:17Who does it benefit?
00:42:19Where did it come from?
00:42:21And what impact does that have on the world around you?
00:42:24And it's important to question our own beliefs and all the aspects of our identity.
00:42:31That is actually where the healing is.
00:42:32So Troy said he put a pin in that, right?
00:42:34But you said he had a lot to see.
00:42:37We give you the time, you know.
00:42:38Okay, I have a lot.
00:42:39We give you the time and you have the thought all there, you know.
00:42:42So we need to question.
00:42:45So we're holding on to that point.
00:42:46Right, hold on to that.
00:42:48The next one, we use any word save, right?
00:42:51That's good.
00:42:52Will we save the world?
00:42:54You know, there's a book called Sapiens.
00:42:57I don't know if you've read it.
00:42:58I think Yuval Harari.
00:43:00Yeah, yeah.
00:43:01And I was listening to an interview and he said something very profound.
00:43:06He said it is essential for us to acknowledge that we are not separate from nature.
00:43:12We are part of nature.
00:43:14Man is not separate from nature, right?
00:43:17Anything that is possible is natural.
00:43:20And within nature, because something is possible, it doesn't mean that all things in nature are life-giving.
00:43:28Some of them are life-taking because it's part of a cycle of life.
00:43:32So I am curious, when we say save, what are we speaking to?
00:43:38Because I'm not a scientist or an evolutionist.
00:43:43Correct me if I'm wrong.
00:43:45There will be a point in time when human species no longer exist.
00:43:50In some form.
00:43:53Because for me, yeah, I'm in physical form now, but it's who I am.
00:43:59I come from spirit.
00:44:00I'm going to return to spirit.
00:44:01We're all going to return to spirit.
00:44:03So what are we talking about when we say save?
00:44:07So are we talking save then in this known incarnation?
00:44:13Or are we talking save as...
00:44:16Are we referring to creating a peaceful, loving, harmonious world?
00:44:21If that's what we're talking about, save...
00:44:23Well, let the man who made the statement, the millennials are...
00:44:26Thinking about it now, save to me is...
00:44:30I'll go first with it, save yourself.
00:44:33When I say save yourself, not from a selfish point of view,
00:44:35because one of you all said heal.
00:44:37We need to heal from it.
00:44:39That healing is saving yourself.
00:44:41So let's go with Michael Jackson.
00:44:43Michael Jackson, say, look at the man in the mirror first.
00:44:45So if I take the time and commit to the healing myself,
00:44:49and you do, and all four of us,
00:44:52then we save in ourselves,
00:44:54and therefore our families in itself will improve.
00:44:58Because we save ourselves, we save in them.
00:45:00And then it will have a ripple effect,
00:45:02and a ripple effect, and a ripple effect.
00:45:03So I like what you're saying,
00:45:05because if we're using it only from the external,
00:45:08I'm coming out here to try to change somebody or do that,
00:45:12then of course you'll have problems.
00:45:13Because I remember there's a code that says,
00:45:15the problem is the world,
00:45:17but the world is that everybody's trying to fix it.
00:45:20Right?
00:45:20And everybody have their ideals.
00:45:23So instead of...
00:45:23So I'm clarifying now what save is.
00:45:26Save means that we heal ourselves.
00:45:28So even standing up for what you believe in,
00:45:31that's you being honest,
00:45:32you not suppressing yourself,
00:45:33you being open and honest,
00:45:35and that in itself could be healing.
00:45:37Because if I think one-on-one is three,
00:45:39right,
00:45:39I should be able to say that out loud.
00:45:41Next thing I'm wrong,
00:45:43that's also healing,
00:45:44because now I'm not in a delusion.
00:45:46Now I put the open someone else's eye.
00:45:48So I go in,
00:45:50my save is saving yourself,
00:45:52not from a selfish point of view,
00:45:54the healing,
00:45:54and then that will be a ripple effect.
00:45:56So we're going to have a little extension
00:46:00on this particular manhood,
00:46:02you know,
00:46:03just because I still feel
00:46:05that the discussion here is very rich.
00:46:08But are we then saying now,
00:46:11based on what everyone's saying,
00:46:12I mean,
00:46:12the interpretation of save,
00:46:14and you've just clarified it to an extent,
00:46:16that what is happening now in this country
00:46:19is a necessary evil
00:46:21to have that change.
00:46:24So in other words,
00:46:25is it that the level of murders,
00:46:27and it's almost like,
00:46:28are we casualties of war?
00:46:31Are we part of a system
00:46:32that these things are happening
00:46:34in order to effect that change,
00:46:36to reach to a point
00:46:37that the good,
00:46:40the persons that are not of that,
00:46:43get to the point
00:46:44that they say enough is enough,
00:46:46and stand up and do something about it?
00:46:49Yeah,
00:46:50I think so,
00:46:51because it's a consequence
00:46:54of something that happened in the past.
00:46:57Right?
00:46:57Crime in this country
00:46:58didn't just happen like that.
00:47:00Right?
00:47:01So we're going to cause an effect,
00:47:02this is the effect.
00:47:03And if the effect happens so much,
00:47:06eventually,
00:47:06somebody will say,
00:47:07I can't take this anymore.
00:47:10Somebody's,
00:47:10we will say,
00:47:12we can't take this anymore,
00:47:14and do our path.
00:47:16I'll do our path.
00:47:17And again,
00:47:17a path,
00:47:17though,
00:47:18have to mean always,
00:47:19you become a police officer
00:47:21and fight crime.
00:47:22It could be,
00:47:22you're doing community service,
00:47:24you're educating the parents.
00:47:25Somebody could be,
00:47:26somebody else could be mentoring
00:47:27the children.
00:47:28Somebody else could be,
00:47:29a teacher in the environment.
00:47:31Somebody else could be teaching them life skills,
00:47:34crying them in the bush.
00:47:35It could be different things,
00:47:36but we have to take a stand against it.
00:47:41So it reaching astronomical levels,
00:47:43because I see the numbers the other day,
00:47:45and it does,
00:47:49it's overwhelming.
00:47:50So we have to do something.
00:47:52So we haven't reached that threshold yet,
00:47:54because it's,
00:47:56because even though we might,
00:47:58we're still in the passive environment,
00:48:00we're still in the passive environment where you,
00:48:02like you said,
00:48:02people might be effecting certain bits of change
00:48:05that is enough to,
00:48:07you know,
00:48:08I always remember,
00:48:09you know,
00:48:09even with,
00:48:10you know,
00:48:11not,
00:48:11not to make it political or anything,
00:48:13where,
00:48:13you know,
00:48:13we were,
00:48:14certain things are happening in the country,
00:48:16and we,
00:48:16and we,
00:48:17the feeling is we like it so,
00:48:19right?
00:48:20And we didn't revolt when certain things were done,
00:48:23so it happened again,
00:48:24and again,
00:48:25and again,
00:48:26and Trini's,
00:48:27you know,
00:48:27Roman party,
00:48:28you know,
00:48:29carnival comes along,
00:48:30different things happen,
00:48:31and we just move on with,
00:48:32with,
00:48:32with,
00:48:33with life,
00:48:33you know?
00:48:34It's easier to ignore problems,
00:48:35and it's,
00:48:36and we ignore problems,
00:48:36but,
00:48:37but we also,
00:48:38we also try to decide,
00:48:39listen,
00:48:39you know,
00:48:39that's not my problem,
00:48:40that's not affecting me right now,
00:48:42or I am good in my area,
00:48:43and what I could do is,
00:48:44I could just ban up,
00:48:45in terms of put my walls up,
00:48:47and in my particular environment,
00:48:48I could just secure it,
00:48:49to make sure what happening out there,
00:48:51doesn't affect me,
00:48:53which comes back to the point,
00:48:54that I'm saying that,
00:48:55are we then helping out,
00:48:56in other communities,
00:48:57to protect our own,
00:48:59just to say,
00:49:00don't come in my environment,
00:49:01and then what we do,
00:49:02is we leave,
00:49:03the environment,
00:49:04we leave people out there,
00:49:05starving,
00:49:06Yeah.
00:49:07as a result of that,
00:49:08so,
00:49:09I'm saying,
00:49:10what,
00:49:11what is it then going to take,
00:49:13for,
00:49:15to,
00:49:15to reach that pressure cooker level,
00:49:17if we're saying,
00:49:17if we're saying that,
00:49:18in this 26 years,
00:49:19that eventually,
00:49:20it could come back,
00:49:21to what we understand,
00:49:23as sweet tea and tea,
00:49:24or the world,
00:49:25in a particular,
00:49:26if it's truly millennials,
00:49:27as we discussed,
00:49:29what is it going to take,
00:49:30to start,
00:49:32that movement,
00:49:34and I use the word movement,
00:49:36to,
00:49:37get us there,
00:49:39I pray,
00:49:42that we don't have,
00:49:43to reach that threshold,
00:49:45because for anyone listening,
00:49:46the threshold,
00:49:47that I think you're referring to,
00:49:49is a civil war threshold,
00:49:50no,
00:49:51absolutely not,
00:49:52let's go,
00:49:52let's go again,
00:49:53no,
00:49:53no,
00:49:53no,
00:49:54no,
00:49:54no,
00:49:54but,
00:49:55let me,
00:49:55absolutely not,
00:49:57no,
00:49:57no,
00:49:57no,
00:49:57no,
00:49:57but let me say this,
00:49:59what I'm trying to say,
00:50:00what I'm trying to say,
00:50:02it could get a lot worse,
00:50:04before it gets better,
00:50:06and we don't want it,
00:50:07to get that worse,
00:50:08it doesn't have to get that worse,
00:50:10if we wake up now,
00:50:12right,
00:50:13it doesn't have to get that bad,
00:50:15but,
00:50:15but,
00:50:15but can it really,
00:50:17is it not at the point now,
00:50:18where,
00:50:19we're seeing,
00:50:20we're seeing what's happening,
00:50:21and as I said,
00:50:22we're not just talking about crime of murder,
00:50:24and things,
00:50:24we're talking about whether it be white collar,
00:50:26we're talking about blue,
00:50:26there's also,
00:50:27the climate,
00:50:28all of these things are happening,
00:50:30and we're at a level,
00:50:31on different levels,
00:50:33whether you wear a shirt and tie,
00:50:34or whether or not,
00:50:35you're wearing your pants down,
00:50:36right,
00:50:36there's different levels,
00:50:38it's all down to apathy,
00:50:40right,
00:50:40for something,
00:50:41or behavior,
00:50:42or a moral compass,
00:50:43or there's a breakdown in the fabric,
00:50:45of our society,
00:50:47or what we understood,
00:50:48right,
00:50:48so I am saying that,
00:50:51what is it then going to take,
00:50:53that you,
00:50:54you come out of your shell of aid,
00:50:55it's not affecting me,
00:50:56so that's something that has to come in your garden,
00:50:58specifically,
00:50:59and I'm not,
00:50:59that doesn't actually mean a,
00:51:00a,
00:51:01a,
00:51:01a,
00:51:02a gangster,
00:51:03or a criminal,
00:51:04if,
00:51:04what,
00:51:05for a collective to know bond,
00:51:07and say,
00:51:07you know,
00:51:08we see it in these movies all the time,
00:51:10where there's an alien invasion,
00:51:12so humanity then comes together,
00:51:14for survivability,
00:51:15it's not like I really still care about you,
00:51:17but in terms of,
00:51:18I know I have to bond with you,
00:51:20better as brothers,
00:51:21you understand,
00:51:22better as,
00:51:22you know,
00:51:22if,
00:51:23what's he saying,
00:51:24if you want,
00:51:25if you want to go fast,
00:51:26go alone,
00:51:26if you want to go far,
00:51:28go together,
00:51:29right,
00:51:29so therefore,
00:51:30you understand that,
00:51:31so it is still,
00:51:32I understand that,
00:51:33if I come together with you,
00:51:34I could accomplish this,
00:51:36so I'm still really,
00:51:37still thinking about me,
00:51:39where,
00:51:39where is it,
00:51:40do,
00:51:41or do we believe,
00:51:42that we're going to come to a point,
00:51:43that it's not going to be,
00:51:45me trying to just survive,
00:51:47but to understand that,
00:51:49where,
00:51:49you know,
00:51:49I want to be good,
00:51:51yes,
00:51:52if that makes sense,
00:51:53that part,
00:51:54that time coming,
00:51:54you want to go,
00:51:55I just wanted to just go in with,
00:51:57a lot of the issues,
00:51:58that we have on mental health problems,
00:52:00in Trinidad,
00:52:01that we don't pay attention to,
00:52:03a lot of the times,
00:52:04right,
00:52:05we have serial killers,
00:52:06running around Trinidad,
00:52:07like it's normal,
00:52:08and we're not treating it,
00:52:09like these are mental health issues,
00:52:12that we should be addressing,
00:52:13especially in schools,
00:52:15they're supposed to have a,
00:52:15your hands say in every school,
00:52:18from primary school,
00:52:18all the way up,
00:52:19we're supposed to be teaching,
00:52:21the kids how to express their feelings,
00:52:23about,
00:52:24this is what,
00:52:24it's supposed to have,
00:52:26let me say a your hands say,
00:52:26actually for every year,
00:52:28of every school,
00:52:28well,
00:52:29not even for the,
00:52:30one pretty whole school,
00:52:31and the teaching,
00:52:32of being able to speak,
00:52:34because men in particular,
00:52:35don't talk about their problems,
00:52:37at all,
00:52:37to nobody,
00:52:38we could be having a medical issue,
00:52:40and I wouldn't even tell my gal,
00:52:42so we're coming back full circle,
00:52:44to where we talk about,
00:52:45the silent generation,
00:52:46which was born out of the fact,
00:52:47that children should be seen,
00:52:49and not heard,
00:52:50to now almost,
00:52:51still believing that,
00:52:53that you shouldn't say anything,
00:52:54and it might be a child,
00:52:55but it might be,
00:52:56a CEO,
00:52:57it might be a,
00:52:58that child is now a CEO,
00:53:00somebody,
00:53:00oh no,
00:53:01somebody saying,
00:53:01hey,
00:53:02you,
00:53:02you don't,
00:53:03you don't,
00:53:04you,
00:53:04you,
00:53:04you,
00:53:04if in a job environment,
00:53:06don't stand up and say nothing,
00:53:08just do what you're told,
00:53:09so you could be,
00:53:10even being in that environment,
00:53:12as an adult,
00:53:13and you are now in your mind going,
00:53:15I'm not taking that,
00:53:17and especially with the advent of social media,
00:53:18where there's all,
00:53:19you know,
00:53:20there's all these movements,
00:53:21more and more and more,
00:53:22so you revolt,
00:53:23or you react,
00:53:24or you behave,
00:53:25as a result of that,
00:53:27in a certain way,
00:53:28so it's almost like,
00:53:29we're coming full circle,
00:53:30but in this time,
00:53:31where they didn't know any better,
00:53:32there wasn't,
00:53:33they didn't,
00:53:33they didn't know about,
00:53:34with social media,
00:53:35they didn't know about all these,
00:53:36that they could,
00:53:37they could be part of a movement,
00:53:39now they know they can,
00:53:41so you have,
00:53:41hence you have all of these,
00:53:43I mean,
00:53:44movements,
00:53:44all over the world,
00:53:45and all these names,
00:53:46that are attached to it,
00:53:47that we talk about,
00:53:48on a regular basis,
00:53:49but,
00:53:50as I say,
00:53:51you know,
00:53:51we could go on talking for,
00:53:54about this,
00:53:54I mean,
00:53:55because,
00:53:56in this conversation,
00:53:58sometimes in the ramblings,
00:53:59it's also because,
00:54:00we are being enlightened ourselves,
00:54:02sitting down here,
00:54:04you know,
00:54:04with whatever thought,
00:54:05might have been,
00:54:06or position,
00:54:07I might have taken,
00:54:08at the start,
00:54:09hearing every,
00:54:10each and every one of you,
00:54:12has now given me,
00:54:13a lot more pause,
00:54:14as to,
00:54:15I'm still not sure,
00:54:16where I stand on it,
00:54:17but I'm certainly,
00:54:18a lot more educated,
00:54:19as a result of it,
00:54:21so I would,
00:54:22I would like to,
00:54:23you know,
00:54:23I don't know,
00:54:25who wants to go first,
00:54:26just,
00:54:27just what you took away,
00:54:28from the show,
00:54:28and your final thoughts,
00:54:31well,
00:54:32well I feel,
00:54:33we keep trying,
00:54:34to get back to,
00:54:36the country,
00:54:36the country,
00:54:37what do we do now,
00:54:37what do we do now,
00:54:38and we keep going,
00:54:40getting a little,
00:54:41sidetracked,
00:54:41which is normal,
00:54:43but I want to answer,
00:54:44that question,
00:54:46and I can,
00:54:47I am not an economist,
00:54:48I am not a politician,
00:54:50I do not know,
00:54:51I do not know,
00:54:51the ins and outs,
00:54:52of the system,
00:54:53and what is happening,
00:54:55what I do know,
00:54:58is,
00:54:58and this is not,
00:54:59government bashing,
00:55:00this is not political,
00:55:02but for my lifetime,
00:55:03I have not seen,
00:55:06I have not seen much work,
00:55:06in this country,
00:55:08and,
00:55:09whatever,
00:55:11we are doing,
00:55:12systemically,
00:55:14politically,
00:55:16it is not,
00:55:17working,
00:55:18it is very,
00:55:20clear,
00:55:21it is not working,
00:55:22so,
00:55:23I would like to say,
00:55:24to our politicians,
00:55:25and our government,
00:55:26and those,
00:55:27in decision making,
00:55:29positions,
00:55:29I appreciate,
00:55:31your intention,
00:55:33your efforts,
00:55:35but we have,
00:55:37to start,
00:55:37doing things,
00:55:39differently,
00:55:40because we repeat,
00:55:41any same thing,
00:55:43any same system,
00:55:44that was created,
00:55:45and shaped,
00:55:46a hundred years ago,
00:55:48that was given to us,
00:55:49by,
00:55:50an oppressor,
00:55:51if you want to say that,
00:55:52originally,
00:55:53right,
00:55:54we need to start,
00:55:55to do things,
00:55:56differently,
00:55:57if we want things,
00:55:58to change,
00:55:59but we do,
00:55:59any same thing,
00:56:01over,
00:56:01and over,
00:56:02and over,
00:56:04and I would also,
00:56:05like to add,
00:56:06that,
00:56:07one thing that came up,
00:56:09when we were speaking,
00:56:09is,
00:56:11as an individual,
00:56:12my individual identity,
00:56:14even if I extend,
00:56:15my identity,
00:56:16to my family,
00:56:18or my close circle of friends,
00:56:19there is one certainty,
00:56:20that is death,
00:56:23but the second,
00:56:24I extend my identity,
00:56:26collectively,
00:56:27and realize,
00:56:27as I am part,
00:56:28of a cohesive,
00:56:29collective body,
00:56:30I become,
00:56:31immortal,
00:56:33and,
00:56:35the last thing,
00:56:37I would say,
00:56:39is,
00:56:39if someone,
00:56:40is,
00:56:41in a position,
00:56:42where they lack,
00:56:43safety,
00:56:43and security,
00:56:45their basic needs,
00:56:46are not met,
00:56:47it is hard,
00:56:48for them,
00:56:48to see a future,
00:56:49it is hard,
00:56:50for them,
00:56:50to save money,
00:56:51to create,
00:56:52a life,
00:56:53where they feel like,
00:56:54they're thriving,
00:56:55you,
00:56:56it is hard,
00:56:57for that individual,
00:56:58I wouldn't say impossible,
00:56:59it's been done,
00:57:00over and over and over,
00:57:01but we can't expect,
00:57:03an individual,
00:57:04in that position,
00:57:06to create,
00:57:06a change,
00:57:07that needs,
00:57:07to happen,
00:57:10it is the people,
00:57:11who are in positions,
00:57:13living lives,
00:57:14which are somewhat,
00:57:16comfortable,
00:57:16the basic needs,
00:57:17are met,
00:57:18they are educated,
00:57:19we have to step,
00:57:21out of our bubble,
00:57:23and start to care,
00:57:25about,
00:57:26what is outside,
00:57:27of that,
00:57:28because,
00:57:29I think,
00:57:30a lot of the change,
00:57:31in this country,
00:57:32after living in it,
00:57:34for 40 years,
00:57:36has to come,
00:57:37from private sector,
00:57:39I no longer,
00:57:41right now,
00:57:42with regards,
00:57:43to our government,
00:57:44and the decisions,
00:57:45being made,
00:57:46I cannot say,
00:57:47I have much faith,
00:57:48in them,
00:57:48so for me,
00:57:52that's where,
00:57:53it had to come from,
00:57:54if people,
00:57:56that's where,
00:57:57change has to come from,
00:57:59here's my question,
00:57:59do you think now,
00:58:00if,
00:58:01a 36 year old,
00:58:03becomes the prime minister,
00:58:04right now,
00:58:05you think that,
00:58:06we will be,
00:58:07further along,
00:58:08in the trajectory,
00:58:09where we want to be,
00:58:10I think,
00:58:11I think,
00:58:12the younger generation,
00:58:14should have,
00:58:15an input,
00:58:16and a say,
00:58:17I think,
00:58:19there's so much,
00:58:20that the older generations,
00:58:21have to offer,
00:58:22contribute,
00:58:23clearly,
00:58:24but I think,
00:58:25they're very stuck,
00:58:26in,
00:58:27how much time,
00:58:28is he going,
00:58:29you have experience,
00:58:30with the government,
00:58:31and your question is,
00:58:32well,
00:58:32this is just,
00:58:33the way it's done,
00:58:34that's how,
00:58:35it's always been done,
00:58:36that's party problem,
00:58:38that is nonsense,
00:58:40I just want to clarify,
00:58:42I just want to clarify,
00:58:43for the purposes,
00:58:44of the show,
00:58:44before,
00:58:44because,
00:58:45you know,
00:58:45we do deal a lot,
00:58:47in Trinidad and Tobago,
00:58:47with tribal politics,
00:58:49and regardless,
00:58:50of what,
00:58:50we tend to go down,
00:58:51the lines of race,
00:58:53and in this case,
00:58:54you know,
00:58:54I think,
00:58:56you know,
00:58:56just to clarify,
00:58:57you know,
00:58:58Troy,
00:58:58and you probably want,
00:58:59to express it,
00:59:00even further,
00:59:01to echo the sentiment,
00:59:02that this is not about,
00:59:03this,
00:59:04the incumbent,
00:59:05this is about,
00:59:07yeah,
00:59:07overall,
00:59:09government,
00:59:09so,
00:59:10you know,
00:59:10from the start,
00:59:11from independence,
00:59:12to now,
00:59:13this is,
00:59:13this is your action,
00:59:14so it doesn't matter,
00:59:15whether it was,
00:59:16NAR,
00:59:17UNC,
00:59:17BNM,
00:59:18the evidence is here,
00:59:20so this is what we're talking about,
00:59:21in a general sense,
00:59:23it's not,
00:59:23it's not specific,
00:59:24so that nobody goes,
00:59:25what are we talking about,
00:59:26so and so,
00:59:27it's a system that's broken,
00:59:27it's a system,
00:59:28that is what you're referring to,
00:59:30okay,
00:59:30100,
00:59:31because,
00:59:33we just,
00:59:34we're not changing,
00:59:35a system,
00:59:36and the laws,
00:59:37and if you want to call it a box,
00:59:38we're not changing,
00:59:39any box in which we operate,
00:59:41and we live in,
00:59:42and nobody's questioning,
00:59:44how it has always been,
00:59:46there are people coming into you,
00:59:48and this is how it is,
00:59:49well,
00:59:49enough of that,
00:59:51can't be like that no more,
00:59:52it's not working,
00:59:53it is not working,
00:59:55and it's evident,
00:59:56it's evident,
00:59:57anybody who's paying attention,
00:59:59if you look outside your bubble,
01:00:01rather than telling somebody,
01:00:03how they should change,
01:00:05what the experience of life should be,
01:00:08let's go and have a conversation,
01:00:10about what the experience of life,
01:00:11actually is,
01:00:13so what we're saying here,
01:00:14because,
01:00:15you know,
01:00:16I think just in this,
01:00:17initial conversations,
01:00:18where we'd have to close,
01:00:19because of time,
01:00:20but just to really get clarity,
01:00:22you know,
01:00:22just some quick thoughts,
01:00:23from everyone,
01:00:24is it that,
01:00:26everyone is waiting on the next person,
01:00:28everyone's waiting on somebody else,
01:00:30to make that particular move,
01:00:32and if that's the case,
01:00:33how comfortable are we,
01:00:35to be able to stay here,
01:00:35to wait,
01:00:36for that next person,
01:00:37to make that next move,
01:00:38because if,
01:00:39if you're on hot pitch,
01:00:40you're not waiting on somebody,
01:00:41to come and say,
01:00:42hey move,
01:00:42you jump in,
01:00:43you know,
01:00:44the pitch hot,
01:00:44so is it that,
01:00:45the pitch not hot enough,
01:00:47under our feet,
01:00:49to,
01:00:49to,
01:00:49to say something,
01:00:51to do something,
01:00:52and that's by no means,
01:00:53we're not talking about violence here,
01:00:55we're talking about,
01:00:56using that one vote,
01:00:57that voice,
01:00:59to,
01:01:00stand up,
01:01:01and make a difference,
01:01:02and this doesn't mean,
01:01:02stand up against a government,
01:01:04or stand up against a CEO,
01:01:06it is in your own behaviors,
01:01:08you're right,
01:01:09the pitch is not hot enough,
01:01:11because,
01:01:12no matter what's going on around people,
01:01:14I think,
01:01:15are using Trinidad and Tobago,
01:01:17once you're getting your basic needs met,
01:01:19because,
01:01:20even though we have poverty in the country,
01:01:22right,
01:01:23some people in poverty,
01:01:24still having the basic needs met,
01:01:26meaning,
01:01:26they have some sort of shelter,
01:01:27it mightn't be the best,
01:01:29they have some sort of nourishment still,
01:01:31right,
01:01:31it mightn't be the best,
01:01:32and they're still protected,
01:01:33quote unquote,
01:01:33in some way,
01:01:34so once,
01:01:36enough people still getting that,
01:01:38and then I'll add the drugs,
01:01:40drugs of Trinidad,
01:01:41you're still getting to play mass,
01:01:42you're still getting to do juve,
01:01:43but you're still getting to go party,
01:01:44you're still getting to drink,
01:01:46you're still getting to go to the casino,
01:01:47you're still getting to do all those things,
01:01:49once you have all those things,
01:01:50then you could stand up on the pitch,
01:01:52you know,
01:01:52you're getting burned,
01:01:53right,
01:01:54but you have all the other things to distract you,
01:01:56so I don't think it's a matter of the pitch,
01:01:59which we're getting to get into what,
01:02:00because we have a lot of people,
01:02:02even behind the scenes,
01:02:03doing things to improve the country,
01:02:06what I think it is,
01:02:08is whenever it reaches the state,
01:02:11where people's basic needs are now not being met,
01:02:14or either being taken away,
01:02:16then we'll have some sort of revolution.
01:02:19To the level,
01:02:19to the level that you're willing to accept,
01:02:21because if my,
01:02:22if I start off here,
01:02:24and things keep happening to me along the way,
01:02:27right,
01:02:27but I'm still willing to say,
01:02:29you know,
01:02:29but I'm still cool,
01:02:30and I'm still cool,
01:02:31and I might not have all this food here,
01:02:33but I'm still good with this,
01:02:34and I'm still good,
01:02:35and I'm good to eat with that,
01:02:36and I'm good with the little party,
01:02:37I might get as much party,
01:02:38but I'm good with these two parties,
01:02:39and you're still good with,
01:02:41you're still able to tolerate what you're getting,
01:02:43until the point that you now say,
01:02:45I have no food,
01:02:47and then I could say,
01:02:48okay,
01:02:48well,
01:02:48I could go two,
01:02:49three days without food,
01:02:50and then after them two days without food now,
01:02:52you start to starve,
01:02:54as a result of it,
01:02:55and then,
01:02:56you start to do something,
01:02:58so I'm saying to you,
01:02:59in that analogy,
01:03:00at what point does,
01:03:02because while you're now starving,
01:03:03you might do something that might just end up,
01:03:05you might just end up getting pitched away,
01:03:08whereas does somebody else know,
01:03:09when does it become,
01:03:10as you quite rightly mentioned,
01:03:12Troy,
01:03:12when do we become immortal,
01:03:14when do we become that collective,
01:03:16to not just go to have better living,
01:03:19in Trinidad and Tobago,
01:03:20to become better,
01:03:21and the whole purpose of this show,
01:03:23is to become better people,
01:03:25when does that happen?
01:03:27Right now,
01:03:30that happens right now,
01:03:31when I recognize,
01:03:34I want to talk about basic needs too,
01:03:36before I forget,
01:03:36but when I recognize that,
01:03:39it is impossible,
01:03:42for any one of us,
01:03:44to leave this chat,
01:03:46as you see people who walked into it,
01:03:48Agreed.
01:03:50That every word,
01:03:51action,
01:03:52and thought I occupy,
01:03:53that every experience,
01:03:54I share with anyone,
01:03:56randomly on the street,
01:03:58it changes that individual,
01:04:00it creates a programming,
01:04:01a resonance within them,
01:04:03I now live within them,
01:04:06so it's about us acknowledging,
01:04:08that every single thing,
01:04:10every post we say on social,
01:04:12every post we share on social media,
01:04:16every word,
01:04:16every action,
01:04:17every thought that we occupy,
01:04:19we need to bring more intention,
01:04:20to that,
01:04:21because,
01:04:23you know like,
01:04:24you know in this world today,
01:04:25we like to talk about manifestation,
01:04:27and manifest this,
01:04:28and manifest that,
01:04:30well you can't choose,
01:04:31when you manifest it,
01:04:32you know,
01:04:33that's very convenient,
01:04:35the reality is that,
01:04:37manifestation is prayer for one,
01:04:39and you're always praying,
01:04:40that's a whole different podcast,
01:04:41probably,
01:04:42or interview,
01:04:42we love you back,
01:04:43we love you back,
01:04:44yeah yeah yeah,
01:04:44but it's like,
01:04:46I have to look at,
01:04:48every contribution I make,
01:04:51because sometimes,
01:04:52I manifest negatively,
01:04:54my actions,
01:04:55words and thoughts,
01:04:56might be creating,
01:04:57a negative resonance,
01:04:58in people,
01:04:59so that change begins now,
01:05:02right now,
01:05:03and I could go on for a long time,
01:05:05but one,
01:05:06you know,
01:05:06all this talk about basic needs,
01:05:09I think it's important,
01:05:11what brought to my attention,
01:05:12the other day,
01:05:12and I realise,
01:05:13we need to also,
01:05:15expand what basic needs means,
01:05:17because somebody could say,
01:05:19well the majority of people,
01:05:20entering a hard shelter,
01:05:21have food,
01:05:22yeah,
01:05:23do they have proper education,
01:05:26do they have opportunity,
01:05:29do they know what it means,
01:05:30to be loved,
01:05:32and cared for,
01:05:34you know,
01:05:34and it's easy for,
01:05:35take for example,
01:05:37somebody could say,
01:05:38well education entering,
01:05:40now there's free public schooling system,
01:05:41everybody could go,
01:05:42go to school,
01:05:43so then,
01:05:44why are your children,
01:05:45going to private school,
01:05:47and it's not a criticism,
01:05:51right,
01:05:51it's not a judgment,
01:05:53but the reality,
01:05:54is that,
01:05:55the level of education,
01:05:56is different,
01:05:57and the schooling,
01:05:59is different,
01:05:59so it's not just,
01:06:01about bare basic,
01:06:03it's about,
01:06:04we want to uplift,
01:06:05and inspire,
01:06:06and educate people,
01:06:07so we need to expand,
01:06:09what is basic needs,
01:06:12you know,
01:06:13all right,
01:06:14so real quick,
01:06:15closing thoughts,
01:06:16my closing is,
01:06:17how,
01:06:17how,
01:06:18one,
01:06:18the generation is not lost,
01:06:20and what,
01:06:20what we all could do,
01:06:21is heal,
01:06:22we understand,
01:06:24at least for the most part,
01:06:25and when you don't,
01:06:25you could come and check somebody,
01:06:26like me to help you understand,
01:06:28and seek,
01:06:28seek guidance,
01:06:29but,
01:06:30we all,
01:06:31should heal,
01:06:32from our traumas,
01:06:33heal from whatever,
01:06:34the generation before,
01:06:36which they were doing their best,
01:06:37right,
01:06:38it's our responsibility,
01:06:39now to heal,
01:06:39and as we heal ourselves,
01:06:41then we will,
01:06:42we'll heal each other,
01:06:43and then we can move forward,
01:06:44in there,
01:06:45it's not a perfect road,
01:06:47but,
01:06:47I think it's one good place,
01:06:48to start,
01:06:50for me,
01:06:51I agree with you Hansi,
01:06:52generation,
01:06:53not lost,
01:06:54but what we should be moving to,
01:06:56is,
01:06:57an unlearning,
01:06:58of,
01:06:59the generations,
01:07:00of what,
01:07:01some of the,
01:07:02some of the lessons,
01:07:03of what the generations,
01:07:04provided before,
01:07:05that may not align,
01:07:06with what,
01:07:06the next generation's,
01:07:07priorities may be,
01:07:10perfect,
01:07:11and I,
01:07:12I am,
01:07:13I am encouraged,
01:07:15and I'm happy,
01:07:16to hear,
01:07:18that we are,
01:07:18not a lost generation,
01:07:20and of course,
01:07:21in understanding,
01:07:22the knowledge,
01:07:23has helped me,
01:07:23understand a lot,
01:07:25with regards to,
01:07:26where we're at,
01:07:27in that cycle,
01:07:28and certain things,
01:07:29that are happening,
01:07:30sometimes are necessary,
01:07:31for other things,
01:07:32to happen,
01:07:33and to take us,
01:07:34to that next level,
01:07:35to help us,
01:07:36to think,
01:07:37more powerfully,
01:07:37to behave,
01:07:38more powerfully,
01:07:39and without attributing,
01:07:43blame to anybody,
01:07:44I would say,
01:07:45when you,
01:07:45when you,
01:07:45when you like something,
01:07:47applaud it,
01:07:47when you don't like something,
01:07:49also ask yourself,
01:07:50what did I do,
01:07:52to encourage that,
01:07:54what,
01:07:54what,
01:07:54what role am I playing,
01:07:56to allow that,
01:07:57and sometimes,
01:07:58doing nothing,
01:07:59is also doing,
01:08:00the same thing,
01:08:02you know,
01:08:03there's,
01:08:03there's that,
01:08:04you know,
01:08:04there's that,
01:08:04there's that saying,
01:08:05you know,
01:08:06when good men do nothing,
01:08:08you know,
01:08:09they,
01:08:10I don't,
01:08:10I don't,
01:08:10I don't know if anybody,
01:08:11could share the rest of that,
01:08:12I can't.
01:08:13Well I can add one,
01:08:13silence is consents,
01:08:16because so if you say,
01:08:17stay silent,
01:08:17that means you agree,
01:08:18to everything that's going,
01:08:19in the wrong way,
01:08:20and we know,
01:08:20a lot of it,
01:08:21we don't agree to.
01:08:22So in the point of,
01:08:24something you brought up there,
01:08:25Troy,
01:08:25you know,
01:08:26where we look at,
01:08:26we look at,
01:08:27some of these environments,
01:08:29and where,
01:08:29in criminal activity,
01:08:31right,
01:08:31no one is born bad,
01:08:33this is as a result,
01:08:34of the societal influence,
01:08:36is an environment,
01:08:37with which most people,
01:08:38have to grow up,
01:08:39and again,
01:08:40we're not just talking about,
01:08:41the crime that we attribute,
01:08:43to a poorer environment,
01:08:45right,
01:08:45we're also talking about,
01:08:46like I keep mentioning,
01:08:47white collar crime,
01:08:48all these other levels of crime,
01:08:50are all as a result of,
01:08:52it might be,
01:08:53as a result of money,
01:08:55at that particular point,
01:08:56for them,
01:08:56but it can be,
01:08:57as a result of,
01:08:59this,
01:08:59the upbringing,
01:09:00and the environment,
01:09:01and what led them,
01:09:02down that particular road,
01:09:04because the different types,
01:09:05of gangs,
01:09:06you know,
01:09:06there's not,
01:09:06there's not just a gang,
01:09:08you know,
01:09:08in the streets,
01:09:09you know,
01:09:09the other gangs,
01:09:11and as a result,
01:09:12so we have to ask ourselves,
01:09:13as well,
01:09:14as much as we want to be,
01:09:15in a particular environment,
01:09:16what are we doing,
01:09:17to make that environment,
01:09:19better,
01:09:19and I'm happy to say,
01:09:22that,
01:09:22you know,
01:09:23I truly believe,
01:09:24within myself,
01:09:25I'm happy to say,
01:09:25that I truly believe,
01:09:26and gents,
01:09:28I know that you share,
01:09:28the same sentiment,
01:09:29that we are not,
01:09:30a lost generation,
01:09:31and that we can,
01:09:32become,
01:09:33what we understand,
01:09:34as sweet TNT again,
01:09:36so on behalf of,
01:09:36Johansi,
01:09:37Troy,
01:09:39Niall,
01:09:40this was,
01:09:40another great,
01:09:42lengthy,
01:09:42but important,
01:09:43conversation,
01:09:44on manhood.
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