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00:00The following episode was made with the support of Tokyo Ueno Department of Tourism and Tourism Affairs.
00:02CURRENTLY HOLDING IN TOKYO, WHERE WILL YOU BE WATCHING THE WESTERN ARTISTIC SCENE?
00:08FROM RENAISSANCE TO THE IMPRESSIONS, SANDINGO ART MUSEUM VS. NATIONAL WESTERN ART MUSEUM
00:14FROM RENAISSANCE TO THE END OF THE 19TH CENTURY, 600 YEARS OF WESTERN ART IS ON DOORS!
00:21ON THIS PROGRAM WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW TO WATCH THE WORKS AND EXPLORE THE ARTISTIC SCENE!
00:28The navigator is the popular drag queen, Dorianne de la Brigida.
00:33I personally like this tough guy.
00:36He's like the strength of a rock.
00:39He's a good guy.
00:40Dominique was actually a good-looking guy.
00:43Oh, really?
00:45Now, let's invite everyone to the world of western painting!
00:51Hello, everyone. I'm Mizuhara Eri, a TV Tokyo announcer.
00:55There are so many people who are going to watch the show with me today.
01:08The impact was so strong that I almost fainted.
01:12Nice to meet you.
01:14I'm Dorianne de la Brigida.
01:17I've heard that you watch a lot of paintings.
01:23Yes, I do.
01:24As a drag queen,
01:27I want to learn various arts and arts from all over the world.
01:35I go to various museums and museums several times a year.
01:39I'm studying various essences.
01:43There are a lot of attractive exhibitions today.
01:46I'm looking forward to it.
01:47Let's go.
01:49Let's go.
01:53Our guest today is Yusuke Kawase,
01:56the chief researcher of the National Museum of Western Art.
02:01Could you tell us how to watch the exhibition?
02:05This exhibition is about art from the Renaissance to the Impressionist era.
02:10The concept is to mix 3D works and works from the National Museum of Western Art
02:17and compare them.
02:23There must be a lot of new discoveries.
02:26It's interesting to compare Western paintings.
02:30First, let's take a look at two works by women painters
02:35from the end of the 18th century to the beginning of the 19th century.
02:38The blue dress is really nice.
02:42The decoration, the dress, and the comb are very decorative.
02:50The face and make-up are well done.
02:54In today's era, the cafe works are very popular.
02:58Yes, they are.
02:59They are very shiny.
03:02This one has a gentler image.
03:07What's interesting is that it's an ancient woman's work.
03:13The make-up is a bit blushing,
03:17but it's more pure and elegant.
03:22This is a French cafe from the end of the 18th century.
03:25At that time, women artists were the first to be recognized in Western art.
03:33It was the first era when women artists became a movement.
03:39The cafe is about six years older.
03:43They both exhibited their works at the same exhibition.
03:48So they must have known each other.
03:51They must have been rivals.
03:52Yes.
03:53Let's compare their rival relationship as women painters of the same era.
04:00Mr. Kawase says it's a good idea to pay attention to women's fashion.
04:08As Ms. Doria said, the cafe on the left is very decorative.
04:14This one is called Rokoko.
04:17Rokoko.
04:18Yes, it's me.
04:20It's a fashion style that represents the first half of the 18th century.
04:25On the other hand, Bunoa's painting is a reaction to Rokoko.
04:30It's a more simple and classical movement.
04:34It's a new classical hobby.
04:36As Ms. Doria said,
04:38it's like an ancient sculpture.
04:41It's like a hobby painting.
04:43The hair decoration and make-up are modest.
04:48So it's a fashion and painting competition between women painters of the same era.
05:00It's like two works in the middle of a busy era.
05:05Yes.
05:06Is it related to the collapse of the French Revolution?
05:10Yes.
05:11The French Revolution had a freedom movement behind it.
05:14At least, it's said that men and women were equal.
05:18In the 18th century, it was called the era of women.
05:22It was like a salon.
05:25Women started to play an active role.
05:27In every field, women led the way.
05:31The movement of society and the field of art are reflected in the art.
05:37Ms. Doria, how do you feel when you look at it again?
05:41The self-portrait of Ms. Kape
05:45shows the confidence of Rokoko and Kavina.
05:50I can see the will to carry this style firmly.
05:58Personally, I like this bold style.
06:00I see.
06:02As for this one,
06:06Ms. Oguchi, I think it would have been better if you had put it together in a better way.
06:11I think it shows the simplicity of antiquity.
06:18Next, we will compare two works by Spanish artists.
06:24The precious work of Sanchez Cotan, which has only six works,
06:29and the work of Vandel Amen, which represents the next generation.
06:33This one is very realistic.
06:36It's drawn with a touch like a picture.
06:39However, it's kind of gloomy for a vegetable.
06:44Why is it so dark in the back of the frame?
06:47But this one is the same.
06:49It's a little unsatisfying to have a variety of delicious-looking foods.
06:59From these two works,
07:01it seems that you can feel the change of the era of the expression of biographies.
07:06This painting is a biography of Sanchez Cotan.
07:11It's a Spanish biography of a sea farmer.
07:14Until then, the genre of biographies didn't exist.
07:17It didn't exist independently.
07:19It's a very new style.
07:23Spanish biographies are called Bodegón.
07:29Bodega means bottega in Italian.
07:34It means a factory.
07:36Originally, it meant a liquor store.
07:39It means food.
07:42It's called Bodegón because it looks like a kitchen painting.
07:47It's a very strict atmosphere.
07:50It's like a window frame without a window.
07:53The background is black, and the motif is placed there.
07:57This is the style of Spanish biographies.
08:00Sanchez Cotan created it.
08:03Is it black on purpose?
08:05That's right.
08:07It expresses the color of vegetables.
08:09It's a contrast.
08:11Melon, cucumber, cabbage, and marmalade are written here.
08:15It's very common in Spain.
08:17You can take pictures on the spot.
08:20It's very rare and new to draw the familiar motif in everyday life
08:25as if it were a very important thing.
08:31He drew casual food without being casual.
08:34That's right.
08:36What's interesting about this painting is that
08:39melon and cucumber are on the window frame.
08:42Where do cabbage and marmalade hang from?
08:46On the window frame?
08:48Yes.
08:49If you look closely,
08:51you can see cabbage and marmalade popping out.
08:55On this side?
08:56Yes, in front.
08:57The way the shadow hits is a little different.
09:00I think everyone hangs from the window frame at first.
09:04But I think they hang from a higher ceiling in front of the window frame.
09:09I see.
09:11I'm trying to make it look like that.
09:15I see.
09:17So you're trying to hide the artist's intention.
09:20That's right.
09:22It's like he's jumping out.
09:24It's like a trick.
09:27He's a painter named Vandelhamen.
09:30He's the next generation of Sanchez-Cotard.
09:32He's famous for his work on living things.
09:34He hangs from the window frame.
09:37There's a little protrusion.
09:39The way he draws the basic composition is to hang.
09:42It's dark in the back.
09:43That's right.
09:44But there are more motifs.
09:46It's more gorgeous than Sanchez-Cotard's painting.
09:48In this style,
09:50he makes the subject matter so that many people can accept living things.
09:56What kind of art was this Bodegon living thing at the time?
10:01It was very new at first.
10:03It's easy to stick to when you draw a delicious-looking fruit.
10:07In the dining room,
10:09there's an interior.
10:11You can accept living things as a part of it.
10:16I'm surprised that it's Spain.
10:20Spain is a country of passion.
10:22It's an image of a country where the sun is moving.
10:25The world view of living things like this
10:29started from here.
10:31That's right.
10:32I'm surprised.
10:33I'm surprised.
10:35There are still a lot of things I don't know.
10:37That's right.
10:38I'll learn a lot.
10:40I'm sorry to say this,
10:43but I'm a little embarrassed.
10:46After this,
10:47Mr. Kawase's favorite artist works will appear.
10:51Currently held in Ueno, Tokyo.
10:54Where do you see western painting from?
10:57Mr. Kawase, who planned this exhibition,
10:59Mr. Kawase's favorite artist is
11:01the 17th-century Spanish painter,
11:04Sulbaran.
11:05It's a precious thing in the world
11:07to have five works in one.
11:10Sulbaran is a painter of the monastery.
11:15He draws a lot for the monastery and the church.
11:20In the painting,
11:22a lot of monks are drawn.
11:27It's a very spiritual, quiet, and elegant atmosphere.
11:35It's a painter with a unique charm.
11:39He draws a lot of stoic people.
11:41That's right.
11:42These three big points are all
11:44the founders of the important monasteries that exist now.
11:50On the left is Francesco.
11:52This is the Francisco family.
11:54In the middle is Dominics.
11:56On the far right is Hieronymus.
11:58This is the Hieronymus family.
12:01It's like a portrait of a monk in a temple.
12:06It's like a Zen painting in Japan.
12:08That's right.
12:09Thinking about it, Europe is dramatic.
12:12Yes.
12:13The way it's drawn.
12:15This is also in a cave.
12:17In a sense, the skull is a bible.
12:24Dorian, which one is your favorite?
12:26I'm sorry to interrupt,
12:29but Dominics is a good man.
12:33That's right.
12:34I think he's a Hollywood actor.
12:37He has a great style.
12:39I think the dog will like him.
12:42That's right.
12:43He's a fierce dog.
12:45Dominics is actually famous for being very handsome.
12:48Really?
12:50Yes.
12:53Lastly, let's compare these two.
12:56These two paintings have a different atmosphere.
13:00Dorian, what do you think of the first painting?
13:04The way the building is drawn is very realistic.
13:10It's drawn in detail.
13:13It's a landscape painting, but it's very energetic.
13:17It's like a picture frame sold at a tourist attraction.
13:21It's like a picture frame sold at a tourist attraction.
13:23Yes.
13:24What do you think of the second painting?
13:27This is ancient Rome.
13:31It's a work that gathers various scenes of people in Rome.
13:38Compared to the first painting,
13:40it doesn't look like a picture frame sold at a tourist attraction.
13:45The way the temple is drawn is also very realistic.
13:50These two paintings seem to reflect a certain trend at the time.
14:00The rich European nobles went on a graduation trip for college students.
14:07Before they became adults,
14:09they went to Rome, the source of European civilization,
14:12to learn about Christianity.
14:15It was at that time, so they stayed there for a few months or years.
14:18When they returned to their country, they wanted souvenirs.
14:21As I said earlier, they bought postcards.
14:25The nobles of the good family at the time
14:28drew pictures for the local painters and brought them home.
14:32They went home and boasted that they had been to Rome.
14:37The same goes for Venice.
14:39That kind of thing is popular.
14:41Was it popular?
14:43You may have noticed that there are many pillars behind the temple.
14:50This is not a temple that exists in reality.
14:53It's a fantasy.
14:54Is it a fantasy?
14:55That's right.
14:56It's a temple that the painter, Robert, created in his painting.
15:00It's not a tourist attraction.
15:02Why is it a fantasy?
15:05Because it's a landscape as a souvenir,
15:09it's popular in Rome and Venice.
15:12Different styles of landscape can be created in each city.
15:17As you saw earlier,
15:19Venetians are proud of their photographic realism.
15:23Robert's painting is not like that.
15:25It's a complete fantasy.
15:27The obelisks and memorials in the back are real.
15:33Real monuments, churches, and buildings,
15:36Robert's painting is a combination of fantasy buildings.
15:41It's a landscape that doesn't exist in Rome.
15:44Was there a difference in trends in each city?
15:47There was a big difference in Venice and Rome.
15:50There are so many statues and obelisks.
15:53It's rare to see such a luxurious place.
15:57It's a place where you can see everything.
15:59That's right.
16:01The temple is a ruins.
16:05Robert painted the ruins to make it popular.
16:08There are still people who like the ruins.
16:11That's right.
16:14He was in Rome for about 10 years.
16:18He was a Frenchman.
16:20After he returned to Paris, he continued to paint the fantasy landscape of Rome.
16:25That's why he created a lot of fantasy in foreign countries.
16:30He was inspired by ancient Rome.
16:33That's right.
16:36After this, there is a message from Mr. Fujioka.
16:42Where do you see Western painting from?
16:47Mr. Fujioka, an actor, will be your navigator.
16:52Let's find your own way of painting with me.
16:56Where do you see Western painting from?
16:59We are holding an exhibition at the Museum of Western Art.
17:02Please come.
17:05There are a lot of original goods at the exhibition.
17:12When you come here, please try it.
17:19When I see Western painting, I feel like I'm studying.
17:24But it was fun today.
17:26I found a lot of new things.
17:29I found a lot of new things.
17:33We recommend you to compare and see.
17:37Goodbye, everyone.