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00:00Don't love you JK. I don't hate you JK. I'm not going to pick a side because I don't want there to be sides
00:06I want whoever is wearing the laundry and is on the court to play very well
00:12And I also here's one thing that maybe is a little bit intricate that I'd love to throw out there at you
00:20sometimes I
00:21Like there's a bunch of examples of this in various sports in just recent years
00:26sometimes
00:27The player that you can't see coming
00:31still matters
00:33Sometimes the player who when you look at him?
00:36You're like well that that's nowhere near as good of an athlete as this guy over here to Juan Jennings, okay?
00:41He's gonna be Super Bowl MVP. Well. How about Brock Purdy versus Trey Lance one of them is like whoa?
00:48That's an athletic freak and the other one is a rosy-cheeked kid
00:54Playing in Iowa who threw too many interceptions, and he's short
00:57Well, which one is the one who actually matters in the NFL and then I'll give you another name
01:04For those of you who hate Steve Kerr. I remember we were here
01:07We were here doing this show with all the people going can you believe that this guy keeps putting high freaking Jerome in the game?
01:15tie Jerome
01:18That's your thing
01:20Has anybody checked in on on tie Jerome?
01:25Phenomenal bench player for the Cavaliers mm-hmm good little team like not overstating it when I use the word phenomenal
01:32so
01:33When you look at Jonathan Kaminga seventh pick in the draft athletic freak and you go you're gonna play pods over this guy
01:40Or whatever whatever
01:43moody whoever
01:45Guy Santos these Santos doesn't have the talent that I don't care I
01:51Don't care who has what measurable
01:54I am looking at the final score on the scoreboard
01:58And I want to know how smart people
02:01Think you're gonna get to the end of the game with a bigger number next to your name
02:05Then the number that's next to the other team that is literally the only question
02:10We should be asking especially at this time of year
02:13So I like that's just the portion of this that I kind of want to reject. I I don't care where anyone was drafted
02:19I don't care what their vertical leap is. I don't care. Don't care. Don't care
02:23I am fully prepared for any warrior to sit if it does not appear that that warrior is pushing the scoreboard higher
02:30Than another player. That's it
02:32And I do think that that's what Steve Kerr would tell you in an honest moment
02:37And he's not gonna say that today at 3 o'clock. He's gonna talk about, you know
02:40JK
02:41Coming back and what he needs JK to do and how the rotation will continue to evolve because we're gonna ask him about ghee
02:48Because he said just a couple of weeks ago. Well, I gotta play ghee Santos and then on Saturday
02:53He played ghee Santos four minutes
02:55so that feels to me a little bit like do you really need to play ghee Santos because I
03:01Mean ghee is a glue guy and you could have used a little bit of that hustle and flow on Saturday
03:06And yet he played four minutes
03:07Yeah
03:07And I'm sure he had his reasons for that like I I didn't watch the four minutes closely enough to know exactly what ghee was
03:13Doing that night, but here's the comment you're referencing and it came
03:17Post game after that nice win over the Pistons. That was like two two and a half weeks ago
03:23It's a really difficult thing when when you are playing really well, and then you have a key guy coming back
03:29It's always tough. So I think the idea is just
03:33Bring him along slowly, you know play him in short bursts help him get his rhythm back
03:37But you know, we've got to keep playing ghee Santos, you know
03:41We've got to keep playing the guys who are helping us win right now. And so usually this stuff
03:47has to kind of play out and
03:49So we'll hope that it plays out. We've got to keep playing ghee Santos
03:54And now he's not playing ghee Santos four and a half minutes minus 13
03:58So right and I know it's small sample really small sample
04:02But in his first two minutes stint
04:04He was a minus six and then he put him in for two more minutes in the third quarter and he was a minus seven
04:09Maybe it's a combo thing where you know
04:12Gee was out there with guys that it wasn't gonna work
04:14Yeah with ghee and I know that you can look at that and coming a minus 18 and 22 minutes
04:19They almost all were a minus except Jimmy Butler who was a plus 11 in almost the entire game that he played
04:27He was a plus 11 in 38 minutes and the team was you know, what a minus
04:33Minus 20 without him in 10 minutes. That's crazy. Yes. There's a lot right there
04:37It says a lot about Jimmy being the dude when Steph is out
04:41So you could you know pick and pop everyone else who played Quentin Post actually shot it great
04:46Oh Moses continues to be a dude 35 minutes for Moses. Yeah
04:51So here's the concerning thing Saturday if you want and I don't like doing this for two reasons one
04:56You're whittling it down to one game and one performance and and two I do hear some people say well
05:02We were playing well, and then JK came back now. We're not playing. Well, that's unfair to me. That's unfair
05:09They're foreign to right. That's it that but but either way it's unfair to pin it all on one guy
05:14But if you want to actually take the conversation deeper, here's what would concern me about
05:20The the Jonathan coming experience specific to Saturday is what you just said
05:25Like a lot of people when Steph got hurt did that whole like ooh
05:29blessing in disguise and Grandy and I were like we reject that because like ooh now he's gonna get some extra rest and
05:35We're like no. No. No, you need your stars. Jimmy Butler was here to play all of the non Steph minutes
05:42So now when all of the minutes become non Steph minutes, then you get some non Jimmy minutes
05:47And how are you doing?
05:48And I know there are a lot of people out there who have at least hoped that that's when Jonathan can be like let me
05:57Take you for seven minutes, and I'll be your dog and I'm sorry
06:02How did they do without Jimmy you said minus what?
06:04Well, they were plus 11 with him in 37 and a half minutes 11 and a half minutes without him
06:10They well, they lost the game by 9. So that means they were minus 20. There you go minus 20 in
06:1711 minutes and a lot of that was in the first quarter
06:20yeah, so that he sat for four and a half minutes and I'm looking at the first quarter stats and
06:26Pods in the first quarter was a minus 18 coming to minus 14 Moody and Quinton and Draymond minus 12, right?
06:33So that's not on Jonathan. Jimmy was a minus two, right?
06:37To me what that says is you need both of your dogs
06:41Period like the Warriors when Jimmy and Steph aren't on the floor are not a playoff team and that's not some hot take
06:49By any stretch, but like that's the thing that that I think we've been debating about Jonathan all along
06:56And I'm not gonna whittle it down to one night and 11 minutes of action
06:59Yeah
06:59But that's what you're hoping Jonathan can do and it seems like many people think he can do and he did not
07:07he
07:08Unequivocally did not on that particular night, which is can you even moonlight as a one for ten minutes?
07:15Well, not that night. Not that night. And that's the part that I think is
07:20I don't know if it's frustrating because I think she thinks it's kind of predictable
07:24But that's what you're hoping for him to develop into and he hasn't yet, right?
07:29And I mean you could look at the second quarter where he actually kind of morphed into that
07:33Offensively, he was great
07:35He was the one in the second quarter and you got to the break and you were down 12 and you were kind of back
07:41In it and then for me, it's really the third quarter where he came out and he was just not only was he
07:48tentative Oh for three but one rebound no fouls couldn't guard anyone didn't look that interested in guarding and
07:56the third quarter is what swung the game because you had a chance to climb back in it you didn't and
08:02You wound up with you know, JK not being able to play in the fourth quarter Steve Kerr in 20 minutes
08:06Let's go to the phones Kevin in Fremont. Hi Kevin. Thank you for calling Willard and Debs was up
08:11Yeah, not too much
08:14My main thing with coming or anybody who plays a power forward position
08:18I just long-term coming up probably isn't a fit here. But even for this year if you count once playing time
08:27Power forwards, I mean I grew up I grew up
08:32It's been a while
08:33I grew up with Larry Smith being a power forward at one point for the Warriors
08:38And so my only point to if you're going to play it a power forward on any team, but the worst specifically
08:46Kaminga needs to rebound
08:49block shots and
08:51If scoring would be great, but I need content
08:54consistent defense
08:57consistent rebounding and consistent effort and
09:00block shots or a
09:02thing people can do it or they can't do it, but
09:05The effort has to be consistent each and every night and the rebounding of it and the defense just has to be there
09:10Scoring should be a bonus
09:12Kevin, thanks. I mean I do think that
09:16I think Steve Kerr would agree with what what Kevin saying and I also I don't know
09:21Sometimes I wish we would apply that to everybody like I will acknowledge
09:25There's a lot being asked of Jonathan Kaminga because and this is fair it's fair because if he's gonna see himself as
09:33You know what?
09:34He was asking for last summer which like that max rookie contract extension or whatever if you're gonna see yourself as that kind of player
09:40Then yes, you need to perform at that kind of way
09:43But do you notice like no one's asking Quentin Post to be a great defender because they literally look at him
09:48They're like, I don't think you can know I don't even think you know how to right now
09:52And so we have to decide every time he's in there. Are we willing to trade off?
09:59Some some difficulties against big players on the defensive end in order to get his three-point shooting
10:05Which is awesome on the offensive end
10:08Okay, that's that's the push-pull with with Quentin Post and we do this with with every single player
10:13Well GP to like on the other side, you know, he's been shooting it great of late
10:17You have him in there to do the one thing that no one else can do which is guard the basketball
10:22And that's what is so frustrating watching. This team is every possession on defense if GP 2 is not in there
10:28somebody gets blown by and then it's help help help help help and then they finally get an open three and
10:35Atlanta was hitting them. Yep. Atlanta was hot. Well, they're gonna knock a lot down if they're open, right?
10:42One if you can't stop the ball if you can't guard the ball and your on-ball defender gets beat which felt like about 90% of
10:48The time well now you're playing four on five and all these good teams are just gonna penetrate and kick and then kick again
10:55And you're helping and then you buy a pump fake and somebody's got an open three and you're gonna lose
11:00I do think that there's something to be said for this and again
11:03I'm not like it is not fair to to suddenly say hey things were going really well
11:08And now they're not going as well right when when cominga came back
11:12It could have been any player who was gonna come in and get 20 plus minutes
11:17I think it could have been any player. I do think and I will ask Steve this
11:21There's something to be said for that period of time when they were playing their best basketball of the year
11:27I thought to a degree maybe even better than what we saw at the beginning of the year
11:31I thought when Jimmy first arrived and if you look at certain games not all of them by any stretch
11:37But there were certain games that stood out to me that home game against Detroit
11:41There were a couple others where I'm like, they're really playing good basketball right now
11:47I think a lot of it was that Steve knew exactly
11:50Who he had he knew exactly what they were gonna give him and therefore he could define
11:56how he was going to approach a basketball game and Jonathan's return makes that more complicated and
12:02And and now you're stuck with we want to get Jonathan up to speed
12:06But we also want to keep other people in there and then those other people are gonna get fewer minutes
12:11And then they're therefore they find it harder to get into their flow when they're on the court
12:16Which makes them look worse and the whole thing just kind of comes down a notch or two
12:21They're not playing horrible
12:22But they've come down a notch or two and I and I I do wonder that if that has something to do with it part
12:29Of its no staff, obviously, that was that one guy, you know, and it's also I do think what you're talking about
12:34and it's like when you have a baseball team and somebody comes off the 15-day IL and
12:40You want to put them in the lineup and you want to see if they can get back to where they were and they go
12:44Oh for four over four over four one for four one for five two for five. It's like oh my goodness
12:50They they are three for 22 with a double and 11 strikeouts
12:55How much longer do we continue to try to I put them in the lineup to try to get them, right?
12:59And that's not to say coming has been that because he has been good of his six games
13:04There was a couple good a couple that were
13:07Didn't really matter and then I think Saturday was a game where he kind of reverted back to what you don't want to see from
13:13him, which is
13:15When you're not scoring you just completely lose sight of what you can do on the basketball team and look at the fourth quarter
13:23I was just looking at the stats. He played basically six guys. He played
13:28Nobody, he played Moody. He played Butler. He played Draymond all 12
13:34pods played 11 minutes and 10 seconds and then you had Quinton and GP to split and that was it and buddy healed played a
13:41Minute and he only played a minute because you needed him somebody to come in and and hit a three which
13:46We could talk about buddy healed too if you want about good
13:49Three shots, I'm sorry two shots. You took two shots, buddy. Like where are you?
13:58Yeah, I don't want him to force it good lord, I don't want buddy healed forcing shots then I don't want him to play well
14:05Forcing shot. Yes, not forcing terrible enforcing shots like he's good at open threes
14:11I want buddy to shoot open threes if they're not open. I want him to pass the ball shoot your shot
14:15It's all you got literally buddy healed like tag shoot your open shot. It's all you got
14:21Well, cuz that's all you got and I didn't do the whole like 17 minutes of buddy healed
14:26He ain't creating a shot. No, but I would imagine he had more than two open shots that he could have taken
14:31Yeah, I'd have to I'd have to look at the whole thing again for my buddy lens
14:35But whatever the all 22 version is in the basketball
14:39Maybe that's a question for Steve like how how can you have a game where buddy only shoots it twice?
14:44If he's not gonna shoot then you don't play him because that literally is the only thing he does. Yeah
14:50I don't know fans pass or rebound, right?
14:53I just think chicken-to-the-egg there because I don't I don't want him putting up bad shots
14:58I very much like he has been very very clear so far this year. He
15:04He's not good at
15:06Shots with hands and faces or creating off of the dribble or what if that's not buddy heels game
15:11So I hear where you're coming from I want him shooting
15:15But I only want him shooting if they're open and maybe there weren't open, you know
15:18They're number one penetrator who then kicks to open three-point shooters was not there that night
15:24It wasn't even in Atlanta. So that becomes a lie. I get that that's probably
15:29That's probably buddy heels best recipe with the Warriors is to be on the floor at the same time as Steph
15:35Yeah, and Jimmy sure and and get the open threes that that are created by everybody chasing Steph all over the floor
15:42So I think that'll change tomorrow night. I would hope I mean
15:46I just if you have a game where buddy he'll play 17 minutes and takes two shots then that to me is
15:5217 minutes that would have been better served going elsewhere because that's the one thing that buddy brings he brings the three
15:58He's not a real good finisher. He's not a good distributor. Not a good defender
16:04Not a good rebounder
16:05So buddy like get open and shoot the three and somehow GP two is able to get seven shots up and you know coming
16:1314 shots in 22 minutes
16:14He got his and I know he can create a lot more than than buddy can but you know
16:19If buddy's not gonna shoot then buddy, you can't play
16:22But then coming it did not get a lot of minutes in the second half that got a lot of eyebrows up and Steve Kerr
16:28Was absolutely asked about it and he gave the very quick answer and here it is
16:32Yeah, JK did a good job in the first half
16:35And then second half. I just went with you know, the guys who I felt like gave us the best chance
16:43Right, I mean that is that's a big eight seconds right there. Well, it's a compliment followed by a
16:52Like a little bit of a Roger Federer
16:54No, it's truth
16:56Well, the real truth would be I didn't play him after the third quarter because he wasn't very good
17:02I think that's what he can't say that no, but I did like he said I went with the guys
17:06I thought gave us the best chance to win very good in the first half and then I went with the players who gave us
17:10the best chance to win
17:12We now listen that should hit Jonathan Kaminga in the gut. Mmm, really hard
17:19I don't know if it did
17:22But that should feel like an absolute right hook
17:27directly to the ribs
17:29Because if you think about this think about three aspects that are going on here, okay
17:34You've played well in the first half, which means you've built up some
17:39Some vibe with the coach. Okay, you are trailing which means you need offense and
17:47Steph Curry's not there if all those three things are true and you still end up on the bench
17:54It means you went out there and did did something really really wrong
17:58That's how I see it. Of course. And as I mentioned before you look at the fourth quarter box score Jimmy Draymond Moses and pods
18:06Played the entire quarter and I know pods played 11 minutes and 10 seconds, but he played 50 seconds
18:11But you get the point of what Steve is saying
18:14I went with who I thought gave us the best chance to win
18:17Which was Jimmy Draymond and Moses the entire fourth quarter
18:21You don't often see that at the start of a road trip where you know
18:26He went with the guys
18:27He thought could help him win and it was Jimmy Draymond
18:30Moses and pods and then a mix of Quentin and GP to I wonder if
18:35There there's a different warrior who does not get brought up enough when this conversation
18:41Invariably goes to Jonathan Kaminga because everybody has such a strong
18:45Jonathan Kaminga opinion and and there's two names I hear that come up a lot. One is Guy Santos
18:51because he's also a big forward and
18:55Steve Kerr pointed him out two weeks ago by saying we have to keep playing Guy Santos
19:00So I hear that name and then I hear pods
19:02I hear pods a lot because for some reason there's something that feels potentially
19:09divisive or opinionated about pods and he's also a
19:14recent first-round draft pick and
19:16He does a lot of the little things that maybe people want Jonathan to do or Steve Steve sticks with pods all of that
19:23There's a different name that really to me is is the one who's showing the way for Jonathan Kaminga and it's Moody
19:31Why is why do you all think Moody's getting 30 plus minutes and Jonathan is not he has no minutes restrictions
19:38This is no longer about getting his wind or his ankle up to speed
19:42Draymond Green spoke about this after them beating Toronto
19:47Moses's shot has been off for a week and a half, but he doesn't come off the floor. Why is that?
19:54that dude is
19:56dialed in on defense and
19:59I do think that that's the decoding of all of this
20:03We can sit here and have whatever opinion we want about Jonathan Kaminga the basketball player
20:08I
20:09guarantee you if that dude would slap the floor with both hands every time the other team crossed half-court and
20:18absolutely
20:19Maniacally put in effort on the defensive end. He wouldn't come off the floor because that's all that Moses is doing
20:25Moses has become maniacal on the defensive end. Is he perfect?
20:29No, has he made huge plays on defense in multiple games? You're damn, right
20:35That man picks Kate honey Cunningham clean
20:38after Draymond's three against the Pistons on March 8th
20:41And then Moses made another huge defensive play against the Raptors just last Thursday night
20:47He is going crazy with his effort on the defensive end and he's not coming off the floor. I don't know why I
20:56Don't know why all of the players don't see that and try that and do that if you're upset with your minutes
21:03It's just not as easy as maybe you're making it seem and I think that Moses Moody having more experience
21:10It's just effort. It's also it's effort
21:12Yes
21:13but it's also like
21:14Understanding defense and being able to to guard at the point of attack and I think Moses is better at that than Kaminga
21:20But you're right a lot of it is effort and it's attitude and it's experience
21:25and so Moses now I think has gotten a taste of the good life, which is you start and you play and
21:32JK right now. It feels to me like he's kind of stuck in between
21:36Wanting to ball out and get buckets and get the contract and really like strapping it on lunch pail
21:43Playing the D and doing what needs to be done to play like Moses has played which is 30 minutes a night over the last 13
21:50He's like he's playing starter minutes huge minutes. He starts he plays and last night he finished
21:57He played the entire fourth quarter. I don't know man. It's just again
22:01I'm not even telling you that I see this
22:03It just feels to me like the coaching staff on and off for the last couple of years
22:09Has has and I mean that for the last couple of years has felt that what they're seeing behind the scenes
22:15You know, I know what we see we see that box score
22:18We see Jonathan go to the hoop and he gets to the free throw line and they go in or they don't or they whatever
22:23Like that's that's what we we watch and we want to see what that point total is
22:28It just feels to me like the coaching staff
22:31is
22:33is seeing
22:35intermittent at least
22:37intermittent lack of focus on
22:40Defense and rebounding for for Jonathan coming and I can if that's true
22:45I can see why by now they would be tremendously frustrated
22:50Because here is one thing that I think you and I actually have a little bit of a difference of opinion on I don't really
22:55Think Jonathan coming is that young of a player anymore, right? I understand that he's 22
23:00I understand that he didn't play college, but I get all of those things
23:04But if I were a coach and I were working with you every day for four
23:09Years, and I was still sitting there looking at things not look the way I wanted them to look I would be very frustrated
23:18By now I get that but I do think you look at you know
23:21Where he came from and what his younger basketball experience was and not having college you played one year
23:28With G League Ignite and then when he came here
23:30you didn't get to play a lot and I know practice and individual work and we can talk about that with Steve Kerr the idea of
23:37development because when you talk about
23:40Development like for me a lot of the development falls on the player
23:45Because you can coach me all you want if I don't go out there and do my own homework
23:49You're a teacher, you know that if you don't do your own work, then you're not gonna develop unless you want to get better