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- Rana Sanaullah Khan PMLN
- Qamar Zaman Kaira PPP
"Intelligence-Based Operations Barhaye Jaynge Aur...", Rana Sanaullah's Big Statement
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Host:
- Ashfaq ishaq Satti
Guests:
- Rana Sanaullah Khan PMLN
- Qamar Zaman Kaira PPP
"Intelligence-Based Operations Barhaye Jaynge Aur...", Rana Sanaullah's Big Statement
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, I am Ashfaq Ishaq Sathi with you.
00:14Right now, the only thing the country needs is unity, harmony and solidarity.
00:19If there is a problem of national security, if there is a war against terrorism, we have
00:24to show unity and harmony in it.
00:26This is possible only when all our political parties are on the same page in the war against terrorism.
00:33This is important because the country's enemies, the proxies who want to destabilize Pakistan
00:39should know the message of unity that we are united on this issue.
00:43We may have differences on political issues, but this is a national issue.
00:47So, it is very important to have an agreement on it and we are all together.
00:51We had a meeting on national security and we saw that all the parties in the country participated,
00:57but one big party, Tehreek-e-Insaf, and some other parties boycotted it.
01:02Now, it is being said that they will call the APC after Eid.
01:12Now, tell me, there was an important meeting in the country in which our civil and military leadership was present.
01:18Not only was it briefed, but it was also made as a role model for the future.
01:22You could go there and keep your reservations, you could go there and talk.
01:26Maulana Fazlur Rehman participated there, all the talks took place.
01:29But it was possible that you would also play your role.
01:31But after the APC, will the message of division go from there?
01:35And what is the thought of the opposition at the moment?
01:37Let's talk about all this.
01:39To have a great conversation with us, the Chief Advisor of the Prime Minister for Political Affairs, Rana Sanawullah Sahib.
01:44Mr. Rana, thank you very much for your time.
01:45Please tell us, we saw the meeting on the issue of national security, its announcement was also made, briefings were also given.
01:52DG Military Operations also spoke, the Army Chief also spoke there.
01:56And after that, is it possible to say that the whole leadership is on one page against terrorism?
02:06Yes, look, there is no doubt that yesterday all the parties were present there.
02:14And almost all the people who were related to KPK and Balochistan, all of them spoke.
02:24So everyone had the same resolve that terrorism is unacceptable in any form.
02:36And there can be no justification for this.
02:40That is, you condemn terrorism, and along with condemning it, you will also say that there is such and such thing.
02:51The whole world has resolved this.
02:55The whole world agrees that no deprivation, no injustice, no demand can be justified for terrorism.
03:07The terrorist is a criminal, he is a criminal of humanity.
03:13And those who do such a thing, which is certainly against innocent people,
03:20if it is associated with any justification, with any demand, with any other matter,
03:27it is unacceptable in the whole world.
03:30So this same resolve, almost all the leadership that was present there yesterday,
03:38everyone expressed their views on it in a very two-stroke manner.
03:43And after that, the resolution that was passed, this was also expressed in it.
03:49Mr. Rana, this was an in-camera briefing, and there was a lot of information about it that could not reach us.
03:54But on this issue, you will have information anyway,
03:57what was the understanding before, and especially the DG military operations briefed there,
04:03the army chief spoke there, what more did your understanding increase with that?
04:09No, see, if it is said, it would be appropriate to say that no one had any doubt about terrorism before this.
04:23And the operations that took place in the last few days, especially in Balochistan,
04:30in which innocent people were taken off the buses, their identification cards were checked and they were killed.
04:38And then after that, the train incident,
04:41in the same way, a businessman was taken out of his hut and he was martyred there.
04:53So no one had any doubt about it.
04:55You can say that when such an incident happens, then a resolution, a renewal of the covenant,
05:02or a restoration of one's position, or to further strengthen that resolve,
05:11that the entire nation should be united against this terrorist attack and take action with full strength.
05:26And the entire nation should stand behind our allied forces, especially our armed forces and other allied forces.
05:36They should be made aware of this, the martyrs, their families, that the entire nation is with them,
05:44they are the heroes of the nation, their sacrifices, the entire nation also endorses them,
05:53also accepts them and is grateful to them.
05:58So these are the emotions that should be expressed on every occasion and off and on.
06:08This is very important for the morale of those people who are facing such a situation.
06:16So Mr. Rana, first the All Parties Conference was discussed,
06:20that first it will be called, then the parliamentary meeting was held.
06:24What was the difference in this?
06:25Secondly, a question arises, what will happen next?
06:28Because Mr. Bilawal said that the National Action Plan,
06:31which was first made by Mr. Nawaz Sharif in 2014 after the APS attack,
06:36now it should be revisited.
06:38If he can make it, then it can also be made here.
06:41So will there be any drafting, will there be any addition to the pointers of the National Action Plan, what will happen?
06:48First of all, the intelligence-based operations against terrorists will be further organized.
07:00But that does not mean that they are not organized beforehand.
07:03More speed will be brought in them, more aggression or more focused actions will be taken in them.
07:20Similarly, the remaining points, I don't think there is any addition to them.
07:27All the points that are against terrorism, whether it is on the military side or on the political side,
07:40they need to be focused on and they need to work with a new passion.
07:47So there was a lot of discussion on that yesterday, a lot of concern was shown.
07:56But if this demand is coming forward from Mr. Bilawal that National Action Plan 2 can also be done,
08:03and if Mr. Nawaz Sharif could have done it, then Mr. Shahbaz can also do it.
08:07So if PP is making this demand, then there must be a reason behind it.
08:10I think what he meant by this was what happened yesterday.
08:18When the APS incident happened, Mr. Nawaz Sharif had gathered all the political parties immediately after that.
08:28And this was the effect or this was made certain that the whole nation is united, the whole nation is with full clarity.
08:42Look, the talks of ifs and buts that keep happening, and there was a division of good and bad at that time as well.
08:51So with full clarity, the whole nation became united against terrorism.
08:58And our law enforcing agencies got such a clear line.
09:04So after that, you saw that in the last 3-4 years, there was a clear line of terrorism.
09:12So even yesterday, the whole leadership had the same opinion.
09:18And Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari also meant the same thing.
09:23So the meeting that took place yesterday, almost all the political parties were represented.
09:29Everyone expressed their views, and everyone had their own words.
09:33But the summary of what was said there, as I have said, was that zero tolerance against terrorism,
09:46and nothing can be made an excuse for terrorism.
09:55And neither can the counter argument be made against the activities of terrorism or the arguments about its purification and destruction.
10:12Neither does the world accept it, nor should we get involved in it.
10:18Mr. Ghani, the argument that is being created in this, and I have seen it in many places,
10:23that there is a discussion about the concept of if and but, and that there should be a discussion on this issue.
10:30So what is your opinion on this?
10:32Is there still any argument that there should be a discussion on this issue, when so much harm is being done to Pakistan?
10:38Look, those people who are involved in the activities of terrorism,
10:49you tell me, you may have seen the videos,
10:57those innocent people, those innocent people,
11:00those people who were going to visit a labourer, or those people who were coming back to their homes on the train,
11:08how can you call them in a state of poverty, and in spite of their social status,
11:14they are saying something to beg for their lives, and they are such good people.
11:20I consider it an insult to humanity to call them humans.
11:26In spite of this, how they killed those people, martyred them,
11:32what kind of discussion should there be with them?
11:39No dialogue should be had with these terrorists,
11:42there should be no discussion with them, nor should they have any such agenda.
11:48These are the kind of people who say that they have a demand,
11:51but they have no demand, they are against the state of Pakistan.
11:55They are the enemies of Pakistan, they are the agents of the enemies of Pakistan,
12:00and in that, our biggest enemy is India, which has not accepted our existence.
12:07It is their funding, it is their support,
12:10and unfortunately, they have been provided safe havens in Afghanistan.
12:15So, if anyone says this, I consider it to be an injustice.
12:22They are trying to give them safe arguments.
12:29I do not doubt anyone's intentions,
12:31but I think that if someone is saying this in ignorance,
12:35then they should review their thinking.
12:39There should be no discussion or discussion with these terrorists.
12:45Yes, apart from that, if there is a development issue in Balochistan,
12:53or any other issue, whether it is a matter of education,
12:59or a matter of the road, or any other complaint of theirs,
13:04there should be a discussion about it.
13:09I think that these issues should be resolved on the basis of preferentiality.
13:16But not with these people, these people do not deserve it.
13:20The other people who are present in the government,
13:26who are present in the opposition,
13:28or those who represent the community,
13:33the segment of societies, the people,
13:36we should sit with them and talk.
13:38Mr. Rana, please tell us,
13:40first you said that we should talk to Mr. Akhtar Mengel about this issue.
13:44Do you think that the leadership of Balochistan,
13:46the political leadership there,
13:48they have an understanding of how important this issue is,
13:52how serious is the issue of the survival of the country,
13:54the survival of Balochistan,
13:56and especially some external forces are also involved in this.
13:58Do you think this is a realisation?
14:00Yes, this is a realisation.
14:04Mr. Akhtar Mengel, Mr. Mehmood Khan Achakzai,
14:08Dr. Abdul Malik, Mr. Sanaullah Baloch,
14:12there are so many other people,
14:14they are fine, they are angry,
14:18but those people are not terrorists,
14:22nor are they sympathizers of terrorists,
14:24but they are sympathizers of Pakistan.
14:26They have always talked about Pakistan,
14:28about Pakistan's constitution,
14:30about Pakistan's law.
14:32So, they should be engaged with them,
14:36they should talk to them,
14:38their anger should also be removed.
14:40But the terrorists should not be compromised with them.
14:46Mr. Rana, a reference was being given of 2000,
14:48that at that time, the national leadership sat together,
14:50a national action plan was made,
14:52and an operation was carried out.
14:54Now, intelligence-based operations are being carried out,
14:56but there is an impression that
14:58it will be a big operation.
15:00Is this a possibility?
15:02Yes, there is no shortage of intelligence-based operations.
15:10Wherever they are informed that they are present,
15:14or they are planning something,
15:16there and then,
15:18an action was taken against them.
15:20These actions will be further increased,
15:24and more improvement will be brought.
15:28But this does not mean that
15:30there was a shortage before.
15:32There was no shortage before,
15:34but according to the current situation,
15:36the things that have come up,
15:38so according to that,
15:40they will be made more efficient,
15:42more accurate.
15:44And there will be no argument about it.
15:48Our Commander in Chief of Army,
15:50General Assam Muneeb,
15:52has spoken a lot about this,
15:56and he has given his opinion on this matter.
16:04But according to the current situation,
16:06there will be no shortage in intelligence.
16:08I have given my full opinion on this.
16:15There are certain things that should be done on air.
16:22But there is complete clarity in this.
16:25Our security agencies have complete clarity as to what they have to do.
16:31And they have also mentioned a certain period.
16:35Within that period, God willing, you will see
16:38that all these things will be captured and destroyed.
16:42So Mr. Rana, as far as I have understood from what you have said,
16:46these intelligence-based operations will only be increased after so many sittings.
16:51That is, there will be no military operation.
16:53Or it will not be appropriate to call it a military operation.
16:57No, this is a military operation.
16:59This intelligence-based operation is a military operation.
17:04But the way it was done in the KPK,
17:13that the population should be evacuated, people should be displaced,
17:18people should be brought to camps.
17:22No, there is no such situation.
17:25This type of operation is not related to this.
17:34No, there is no such situation.
17:35Obviously, the population is also so low there.
17:37It's different.
17:38The conversation that the Army Chief had with General Asim Munir,
17:42he pointed out the gaps in the governance.
17:45How long will they continue to fill the blood of the martyrs?
17:48What was the point of that?
17:49And secondly, we were talking yesterday,
17:51the defense experts say that out of 80,000, 60% of the people in Levis are ghosts.
17:59So there is a lot of difference in their capacity.
18:01That is, those people who could have controlled the money,
18:04they are not able to do it.
18:05They don't even have the ability.
18:06What will you comment on this?
18:08Look, I have been observing this opinion of the Army Chief since yesterday,
18:15that he is being joined right and left.
18:19And we are not talking about the context in which he has spoken.
18:24He spoke in the background that the job of the Armed Forces is to protect the borders.
18:32Policing is the job of the police.
18:36Or internal terrorism is the job of the CTD.
18:42So if this work is being done in a better way somewhere else,
18:46in which Punjab was also mentioned, Sindh was also mentioned,
18:49then why can't it be done in KPK and Balochistan?
18:52Why was the police not as efficient and equipped here?
18:57Or why was this investment not made on them?
18:59Or why was the CTD not raised at this level there,
19:04so that the army does not have to come into these proceedings?
19:09So that the army safeguards its borders.
19:13So this is what he has said in this debate.
19:16And this is absolutely legitimate.
19:18This should happen.
19:19And the attention that was not given to this before,
19:22now I don't read into it that who did not give it and why did not give it.
19:26But anyway, this decision was made yesterday that attention will be given to this.
19:30And the Prime Minister of Pakistan assured the whole house yesterday
19:35that whatever sources will be required for this, they will make them available.
19:42Mr. Rana, the discussion that took place yesterday,
19:45it was a long discussion.
19:47Our political leaders also made speeches with eloquence and eloquence.
19:51But the JUI leaders are not happy.
19:53Mr. Kamran Murtaza says that the announcements have been issued,
19:56but we were not talked to.
19:58We were not taken into confidence,
20:00otherwise we would have increased or reduced something.
20:02Didn't you have any discussion with them?
20:04Look, the announcements in this were overall,
20:11everything was not to be said, nor can it be said.
20:17Because if this had to be done, then there was no need to hold an in-camera meeting.
20:23So that was to be discussed to an appropriate extent.
20:30So that was discussed there.
20:33But the whole discussion or whatever was discussed there,
20:37no one surrounds it in such a way that every opinion there is mentioned in that announcement.
20:45That announcement, the overall resolve,
20:48as it was against the election of the whole house,
20:52it expresses that.
20:54Alright, we will take a break here, we will be back after the break.
20:57Stay with us.
21:01We are talking to Mr. Rana Sanaullah after the break.
21:04Mr. Rana, despite all the PTI reservations,
21:07Mr. Ali Ameen Gandapur participated there as a representative of his province.
21:11He had a lot of concerns before regarding various issues.
21:14But how was his role in this meeting?
21:16Did he give any suggestions or did he just show his reservations?
21:21Yes, his role was very positive.
21:25He represented there as a chief minister and as a PTI.
21:33Because he is the PM of PTI, so he represented his community as well.
21:41And he gave good suggestions.
21:44Alright, it is very interesting because before this,
21:47the Afghan refugees, obviously the state has a policy that they should be evacuated.
21:51They have their own country.
21:53And especially, what we have seen in the past,
21:55how much we have invested in them,
21:57we have brought them here,
21:59we have settled them here in millions of people.
22:01So, it was a very positive conversation.
22:03Alright, Mr. Ali Ameen, thank you very much.