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- Ashfaq ishaq Satti
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- Senator Walid Iqbal PTI
- Rana Ihsaan Afzal Khan PMLN
- Maj Gen (R) Zahid Mehmood (Defence Analyst)
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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, dear viewers, I am Ashfaq Ishaq Satti and I hope you are all doing well.
00:17Today is the most important day in the history of our country.
00:20We had confidence that whether it is a national leadership, a military leadership or a parliamentary leadership or a political leadership,
00:27we sat together on a platform and held a meeting of the Parliamentary Committee on National Security.
00:31Not only was there participation on the part of the military leadership, but also a briefing was given.
00:36And then it was evaluated as to how to move forward.
00:39And the incidents that are happening continuously in the form of insurgency, especially in Balochistan,
00:43are also happening in KP, so how is it necessary to stop them?
00:46And how can a co-operative plan be made on this?
00:49A national action plan, which was made in 2014 under the auspices of APS, was revisited in 2021.
00:56How can it be expanded and where can it be discussed and where cannot it be discussed?
01:00So at such a time, it was very important that the national leadership, all the political leaders, sit together and deliberate on this issue.
01:09First, an indication was given to call an all-parties conference, then it was decided to discuss this issue in the Parliamentary Committee.
01:15Of course, there will be their own reasons.
01:17And here, on the part of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf, it was first declared, the participation was discussed,
01:23then after a thousand nights, God knows what happened, that on their part, this refusal came to light,
01:28that no, we had sent the name, but until we are not allowed to meet Bani, we will not sit.
01:35So this, I think this incident was such that the kind of sacrifices we have made at this time,
01:40the way the common citizens are being targeted, the army of Pakistan is being targeted,
01:46and in Balochistan, we are now seeing foreign characters openly.
01:50It was not like this before that it was not visible openly, but now it has come to light,
01:54the way we saw India's jubilation, the way we saw Afghanistan's role in it,
01:59so at that time it was necessary that everyone sit together so that a message from here could be sent one by one.
02:04Although there can be ten differences, but this is a matter on which all of them are united and united.
02:11So anyway, the announcements of this meeting have also been issued,
02:15there are a lot of pointers that are obviously running on television screens in the form of tickers,
02:20and there is also talk of it, you can also read it together.
02:23The Chief of the Army Staff also addressed this, and he said a very important point,
02:27that this is a battle of survival for us and our future generations.
02:32We need better governance and we need to make the country of Pakistan a hard state.
02:38How long will we continue to sacrifice lives for a soft state?
02:42So let's talk more about what discussion took place after the announcement,
02:45what will happen further, let's introduce the guests to you.
02:48Rana Ahsan Afzal is present with us, he will represent the Noon League.
02:51Thank you so much for your time.
02:53Senator Waleed Iqbal is joining us from Lahore on behalf of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf.
02:57Thank you very much.
02:58Major General Retired Zahid Mehmood is also present with us.
03:02We will also discuss the security issues, the insurgency and the current situation.
03:09Starting from you, the statement of the Army Chief,
03:12first of all, the importance of this, the APC was discussed,
03:16then the parliamentary committee session, the in-camera session,
03:20and the speech given by the Army Chief, he said that we need to become a hard state.
03:25So what is this term, hard state? How will you define it?
03:29Thank you Ishfaq for the invite.
03:31The simple meaning of hard state is that Pakistan is being treated as a soft state,
03:38both externally and internally.
03:40A soft state in a way that it can't respond in the future.
03:47Hard state is simply a state which is a meaningful state,
03:52which has capability, which has capacity,
03:56and the most important thing is that it has the will to implement its policies.
04:00Now we have to see, this is the most important thing.
04:03Capacity and capability are in many countries, in many people, in many organizations,
04:07but will is the most important.
04:09Now when we talk about will, the capacity and capability of the job,
04:13it can go to the military, whatever they want to perform,
04:16they can do their kinetic application,
04:18but the will is the will of the nation.
04:21And the will of the nation has to be established by its political leaders.
04:25It has to be run with the whole nation.
04:27A cohesion, a cohesive response.
04:29And this message has to be given to other people,
04:32whether the enemy is within or without,
04:34that we will respond and we will respond hard.
04:37Now let me give you a small example in kinetic.
04:39See Pakistan, why India has adopted this proxy war and state-sponsored terrorism?
04:44When they see that they match us in the conventional state,
04:47and they are present on every escalation ladder,
04:50or they take us above it.
04:52That if they drop four of their weapons in Balakot to kill our crows and trees,
04:59then they lock six targets in the light of the day the next day.
05:04And they drop them close to their lives and do not destroy them.
05:06And they do not destroy them.
05:07You tell your will that we will respond.
05:09Whether you are the pressure of America or the pressure of any other country,
05:12you always have a lot of power involved in this response to stop you.
05:17So that it is a little phase-saving.
05:19Because India has a requirement.
05:21It has a role in Indo-Pacific strategy.
05:23But Pakistan, especially in the Indian context, is not compromising at all.
05:28I am talking about the military.
05:30So when your whole nation's stance will go that when your application will be on Pakistan,
05:35then this is a hard state which can take the blow,
05:38but which has the more capacity to give you a far better blow in response.
06:08In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
06:19Look, all the parties present in the parliament will have their representation.
06:24All the governments in Pakistan, in the provinces, and in Wafaaq will have their representation.
06:31It would be much better if the Prime Minister also expressed that if there was PTI,
06:36but in a way, the Chief Executive of KPK is present.
06:41And let's say that he also represented PTI.
06:45Anyway, it would have been better if other parties were present.
06:48Because look, Pakistan is under a state of attack.
06:51And we want to repel it.
06:54We want to eliminate this attack.
06:57The terrorist attacks that are happening in our different regions,
07:01we want to completely eliminate them.
07:04So, for this, a consensus building, which was an official forum,
07:08was implemented in the parliament.
07:11And I think it was the duty of the government to do consensus building.
07:15And the government fulfilled that duty.
07:17I can't say for sure whether there will be APC or not.
07:21But it could happen.
07:23But this was a step towards consensus building.
07:26So, I think this is the time for Pakistan that all the parties
07:30have their own political agendas, their own petty politics.
07:34And there are a lot of them.
07:36With our PTI, People's Party, there are a lot of elements of friction.
07:40We are not able to fulfill a lot of things.
07:42Similarly, there will be demands for PTI.
07:44There will be demands for JUIF.
07:46But this is not the time for us to stand on it.
07:49This is the time for us to show our enemy that we are together.
07:53We will stand on one voice, one page and we will compete with them.
07:58So, I think that message has been conveyed to some extent today.
08:02And moving forward, I think there is a need for further consensus building.
08:07There will be further deliberation on this.
08:09Yes, we will do that too.
08:11But the resolve that we have to end terrorism from this country
08:16and we have to move towards an actionable agenda,
08:20I think we should move towards that phase.
08:23And those who did not participate, I think they should answer to this community.
08:30What is the role of a community in this country?
08:34What should be its contribution in a national crisis?
08:38Instead of debating on petty things,
08:42the focus should be on the collective thought of the entire community,
08:49consensus building and competing with the enemy.
08:53Senator, you said that Pakistan is under attack.
09:01If you look at KP or Balochistan,
09:03there are different factions but they are being targeted.
09:07What do you think, how important was it to convey a message of unity?
09:14Of course, when we talk about kinetic operations,
09:17our armed forces are doing that.
09:19But how important was it to convey a message of unity at this time?
09:22Yes, it is very important to convey a message of unity when such a situation arises.
09:27And you are absolutely right that Pakistan is under attack.
09:31We had a meeting yesterday afternoon.
09:34I am saying this as an example.
09:39In the last 48 hours, there have been 45 terrorist attacks in Pakistan.
09:49And if we go back in time,
09:53the Jaffar Express incident and the Nushki incident,
09:59there is no doubt that a message of unity should be conveyed.
10:05I was with Nadeem Malik on the day of the hijacking of the train and the attack.
10:12We were talking about taking a whole-of-the-nation approach.
10:17You cannot achieve a whole-of-the-nation approach
10:21by excluding the biggest political party in the country.
10:25I would like to make one thing clear.
10:28You have mentioned this in your introduction.
10:32Yesterday, when we were asked to make a list,
10:36you agreed to it.
10:38Apart from that, we also had to communicate about the decision of participation.
10:43I can see that there has been an attempt to create confusion
10:50or to blame the PTI.
10:54There is nothing like that.
10:56Earlier, there was a meeting of the parliamentary party.
10:58It was held during the day.
10:59During the meeting of the parliamentary party,
11:01it was decided that participation would be required.
11:05A list was sent on that occasion.
11:08But sending a list did not mean that non-participation would be required.
11:11After that, the meeting of the political committee was held in the evening after Iftaar
11:15and continued till 2.30 in the morning.
11:17But this decision was made in the beginning.
11:19The same decision that was made in the meeting of the parliamentary party
11:23was also made in the meeting of the political committee in the evening.
11:2727 people participated in that meeting.
11:30Out of that, 4 people said that non-participation would be required.
11:35But 23 people, the overwhelming majority, said that participation would be required.
11:44We do not think that there was any unlawful or irresponsible demand.
11:52The only demand was that we should get the approval of Bani Chairman Imran Khan.
11:56We should be able to take guidance from him.
11:58His notice had also been sent to the government.
12:02The state had a good notice.
12:05But when Amir Dogar sent this list,
12:12you were not in agreement till then.
12:16But you said that since there is a deliberation on this,
12:18we will send the list in advance.
12:19No, no.
12:20We were not in agreement till then.
12:22We sent the list because if there had been a decision later that we would participate,
12:26the speaker's office would not have been open at 2 am to collect the list.
12:30And in the morning, there was a blockade there.
12:34So we had to send the list that if there is participation, then these people will participate.
12:38But the decision on participation was made by the political committee.
12:41So you wrote the letter at night.
12:42This was the opinion of both.
12:44This was the opinion of the political committee at night.
12:46And this was the opinion of the parliamentary party during the day.
12:49But my question is that if the speaker's office was not open at 2 am or 12 am,
12:53you would have written the letter at that time.
12:55The decision on both the forums was the same.
12:58That participation will be conditional.
13:00And anyway, let me tell you one more thing.
13:02To clear you.
13:04When it was decided not to participate,
13:06the PTI's condition was not accepted.
13:09You are not saying that the entire opposition,
13:11in which Akhtar Jaan Mengal and his party,
13:14and Mehmood Khan Achakzai and his party,
13:16and Allama Raja Nasir Abbas and his party,
13:19and the entire opposition did not participate.
13:21And the reason for that was their own reasons.
13:23This was our reason.
13:25But the announcement that came after that,
13:27at least I consider one thing to be positive.
13:30That there is a need for national unity in this.
13:32Whatever action has to be taken.
13:33So Maulana Fuzoor Rehman was present there.
13:35If there is a need for national unity,
13:37then including Pakistan's largest party in it,
13:39or making it a target,
13:41or finger-pointing everything.
13:43Mr. Rana, what do you think are the reasons?
13:45Yesterday, we thought,
13:47when we did our show,
13:49that now the PTI has to participate in this.
13:51Because they had already given their name,
13:53and this was the impression.
13:54Later, when there was a bit of trolling on social media,
13:57after that they said,
13:58that something has gone wrong.
14:00But first of all,
14:02this is a sad thing,
14:06that the PTI and their internal matters,
14:11we have to discuss them again and again.
14:13And the focus where it should be,
14:15is not there.
14:16Because they plan it like that.
14:19Because he said,
14:20that you have excluded a central party in Pakistan.
14:23No, we invited them.
14:25We invited them.
14:26Their opposition leaders belong to the PTI.
14:29And they were asked,
14:31that you tell us who all have to participate.
14:33So they were invited.
14:35An open invitation.
14:37Their entire politics in the last year and a half,
14:40whether it was the election in Oxford,
14:43had only one purpose.
14:44That there should be international pressure for Mr. Khan.
14:47In America,
14:48the letters and addresses to the senators,
14:50which they did,
14:51spoilt the country,
14:52had only one purpose.
14:53That there should be external pressure.
14:55And this is also a moment in the history of Pakistan,
15:01that you have to be on the right side.
15:03That you have to decide as a community,
15:07that what is important for you.
15:09Is national interest important for the PTI?
15:11It should be more important than political interest.
15:13Yes, political interest.
15:14How many times have we not been allowed to meet?
15:16If we were not allowed to meet,
15:18then you could have come there and talked.
15:20But not participating,
15:22it is a very negative step that the PTI took.
15:25And I understand that this is not the time
15:27to create division.
15:29This is not the time to create divisions.
15:31This is not the time for your conversation to be divided.
15:36But unfortunately,
15:37I don't know how to explain this to them.
15:39Their attitude has always been this.
15:41They are also divided.
15:43A majority in their party,
15:45I think,
15:46who had decided that we should
15:48participate unconditionally.
15:50They could not prevail out of fear
15:52that what would be Mr. Khan's reaction.
15:54Because their agenda is different.
15:56When your agenda is different,
15:58then it is obvious that you are exposed.
16:00And I think,
16:01today the PTI was exposed in the worst way.
16:03And their voters too,
16:05they too must have regretted
16:07that in such a moment,
16:09where your internal rifts do not matter.
16:12These small things do not matter.
16:14But what mattered for the country
16:16was their presence.
16:18I think that even today,
16:20we should give the same message
16:22that the chief executive of KPK was present.
16:24He gave a lot of advice.
16:26Yes, it is a good thing.
16:28It is very important to get this input.
16:30It is a very good thing that there is conversation,
16:32there is discussion,
16:34and there is a solution on this forum.
16:36So I think that today the PTI
16:38is standing on the wrong side of history.
16:45Look, this is not the time.
16:47We need to think from a big perspective
16:49for the country.
16:51And we need to talk about
16:53our internal issues,
16:55political gains,
16:57political point scoring,
16:59and move ahead.
17:01General sir, tell me,
17:04there are intelligence-based operations
17:06and other operations
17:08where the federal government
17:10gave a go-ahead and the army did its operations.
17:12At this time,
17:14why is there such a need?
17:16Of course, we know many things,
17:18but I would like you to highlight them.
17:20Not only the political leadership,
17:22but the entire leadership,
17:24the entire public,
17:26all those who are connected to the school of thought,
17:28need to be on the same page,
17:30behind and with the security forces.
17:32Why?
18:03Rest is coming from someone else.
18:05We have seen in the past,
18:07as I said,
18:09in the Pakistan army,
18:11as far as we know,
18:13and the decision that has been made there,
18:15and the resolve there,
18:17it is unbelievable.
18:19They have decided that
18:21we will take it to the logical military end.
18:23And the political end,
18:25the end of the logical state objectives,
18:27will be achieved by political leadership
18:29and the nation.
18:31You see,
18:33we need to repeat this again.
18:35Terrorism will be fought by the army.
18:37Sorry, the terrorists will be fought by the army.
18:39Terrorism will be fought by this nation.
18:41So that is why,
18:43with the whole of a nation approach,
18:45it is very important for everyone
18:47to stand behind their army.
18:49Then we saw in 2003,
18:51in 2007-08,
18:53when we did the operations,
18:55you will remember that the condition of Sawad
18:57was that terrorism had reached Islamabad.
18:59Islamabad was the target.
19:01Radio was on.
19:03So at that time,
19:05the rate of the state was more challenged.
19:07But because of political leadership,
19:09plus all the provincial governments,
19:11I remember that in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,
19:13there was a coalition government
19:15of the People's Party and the National Party.
19:17We were doing operations there,
19:19the federal government as well.
19:21And a complete support was achieved.
19:23The support of the people was achieved.
19:25The people made a big sacrifice.
19:27But the operations were cleared
19:29and we saw that freedom was achieved.
19:31And all the sacrifices of the army,
19:33Mr. Sati,
19:35try to understand that
19:37if peace is achieved,
19:39if freedom is achieved,
19:41if the defence of sovereignty is achieved,
19:43then the army becomes meaningless to the sacrifices.
19:45They are happy that they have been rewarded
19:47for the work they have done.
19:49So the reward has to come from the people.
19:51And see, it is a hybrid application.
19:53This threat spectrum needs to be understood.
19:55Every citizen of Pakistan is the target,
19:57being the centre of gravity of Pakistan
19:59in this scenario.
20:01So every citizen, every household,
20:03so all the scuttlers,
20:05all the spoilers,
20:07whether within or without,
20:09Pakistan will have to deal with them.
20:11And every citizen has to play his role.
20:13You are a political party, so you are a big deal.
20:15And see, which party is our political party
20:17which is not in power?
20:19Don't they want support for the chief minister in KPK?
20:21KPK is also a target.
20:23The chief minister of Balochistan needs support.
20:25The federal government needs support.
20:27So at this time, I would say,
20:29Mr. Satti, if you allow me,
20:31I would say that at this time,
20:33everyone should just say that
20:35they have to light their own candle.
20:37I am lighting this one,
20:39whether others light it or not,
20:41the nation is watching it.
20:43So you don't have to expect
20:45what they are doing or what they have done.
20:47You have to do your part.
20:49All the institutions, political parties,
20:51whether in Balochistan or anywhere else,
20:53when they come into power,
20:55then it is okay.
20:57But there are also responsibilities
20:59attached to power.
21:01And the politicians are national assets.
21:03Whether they are in the government or outside the government,
21:05outside the assembly,
21:07they are the leaders of their areas.
21:09They are the leaders of their circles.
21:11So they have to lead.
21:13It is not necessary that they will lead
21:15if they are MNA or MPE,
21:17otherwise they will crib.
21:19General Syed Asim Munir has also said
21:21that the gap of governance,
21:23how long will we fill it
21:25with the blood of Afwaj-e-Pakistan
21:27and the martyrs?
21:29There is a perspective in this
21:31that when there used to be
21:33an operation in Swat or Waziristan,
21:35we used to see that peace was restored
21:37after the operation.
21:39Later, those elements used to come again
21:41when the civilian set-up was not able
21:43to complete that space.
21:45Is this the direction here?
21:47If there is terrorism,
21:49if there is insurgency,
21:51how will you end it?
21:53There is a role of the police,
21:55there is a role of the border security,
21:57there is a role of the CTDs,
21:59the provincial subjects,
22:01the departments of counter-terrorism,
22:03there is a role of the law enforcement.
22:05If the levies in Balochistan
22:07are not being utilized properly,
22:09I am raising the question,
22:11if it is not happening,
22:13if the levies are not working efficiently,
22:15then obviously we will not get
22:17the control that we need.
22:19Similarly, if the CTDs are not
22:21active in the KPK,
22:23or are not equipped in that way,
22:25then you will not get the results.
22:27Then, apart from this,
22:29there is a big role of the provinces
22:31which comes under non-kinetic,
22:33in which there is reconciliation,
22:35development, matters of Madrassas,
22:37judicial reforms,
22:39ATCs,
22:41expeditions,
22:43then there is economic integration,
22:45social cohesion,
22:47all these responsibilities,
22:49you do not have them
22:51with each department.
22:53And until this national action plan
22:55as a whole is not implemented,
22:57then you will not get the results.
22:59So, this collaboration,
23:01whether it is with the provinces,
23:03with the law enforcement agencies,
23:05with the intelligence agencies,
23:07with the police,
23:09with the CTDs,
23:11if we are not able to achieve this,
23:13then we will never be able to
23:15achieve this nationality.
23:17How can the role of DECTA be
23:19further broadened?
23:21I personally think that
23:23if you add a few more things
23:25to the national action plan,
23:27but it completely covers
23:29all aspects.
23:31So, its implementation is important,
23:33its ownership is important,
23:35its coordination with the
23:37departments, provinces,
23:39and I would say that
23:41if we are stuck in this
23:43petty politics,
23:45if the government says
23:47that we have to handle
23:49foreign policy as well,
23:51and if you make statements
23:53to your vote bank,
23:55then I think it is
23:57counterproductive.
23:59We need a solution.
24:01Senator,
24:03when you were talking about
24:05participation, did you consult
24:07the PTI?
24:09Because in Maulana's speech,
24:11he said that if the PTI
24:13had consulted us,
24:15we would have invited them
24:17to participate,
24:19and it is regrettable
24:21that they did not participate.
24:23No, no one is denying
24:25that we invited them to participate.
24:27It was a parliamentary committee
24:29and apart from this,
24:31there were meetings
24:33in the routine as well.
24:35There are a few points
24:37that need to be addressed again.
24:39Go ahead.
24:41First of all,
24:43I don't understand
24:45why they trivialize it
24:47and call it
24:49political
24:51benefit
24:53or petty politics.
24:55When we say
24:57that in this
24:59extremely important
25:01matter,
25:03we should have
25:05access to the
25:07participation of the PTI
25:09so that we can
25:11gain their leadership.
25:13The vote bank
25:15that we are talking about
25:17is commanded by them.
25:19But Senator,
25:21this is not a political
25:23issue.
25:25But the point is
25:27that this was not a political
25:29issue, it was a national issue.
25:31You could have
25:33decided on this.
25:35I am telling you again
25:37that you are denying
25:39that this is an extremely
25:41important issue.
25:43Yes, this is the most important.
25:45And since
25:47Imran Khan has been
25:49in jail,
25:51has there been a more important
25:53issue in Pakistan?
25:55If not,
25:57then this is not
25:59a political issue.
26:29Okay.
26:43I got your point.
26:45I got your point.
26:59You led from the front.
27:29Do you realize
27:31that the entire country is in
27:33great danger?
27:35Especially Balochistan.
27:37Do you realize this?
27:39Look, Mr. Ashfaq,
27:41the first question
27:43related to the Governor
27:45and your first question,
27:47all the operations
27:49in the past
27:51were based on
27:53clear hold and build.
27:55Clear hold was done by
27:57our law enforcement agencies
27:59including the FCB, police,
28:01especially the army,
28:03air force, all encompassing.
28:05But when it comes to build,
28:07that is challenging.
28:09It becomes a missing piece.
28:11We saw this in Waziristan,
28:13Balochistan, Bajor,
28:15that the government
28:17does not give the
28:19proper ownership.
28:21My apologies.
28:23Until a political
28:25agreement is reached,
28:27we are going nowhere.
28:29Now let's come to Balochistan.
28:31Balochistan and KPK's threat
28:33needs to be understood.
28:35In Balochistan, the Indian
28:37application through the
28:39soil of Afghanistan,
28:41other than India,
28:43there are other countries
28:45also whose support
28:47or approval they have.
28:49Maybe in their narratives
28:51or because their main
28:53interest is with Pakistan.
28:55To scuttle them,
28:57the BLAs, BLFs,
28:59BRAs,
29:01the political leadership
29:03in the West,
29:05the beneficiaries of this
29:07drama,
29:09they activate
29:11the Diaspora.
29:13If you study the Indian
29:15media,
29:17you will see that
29:19they want to internationalize
29:21this serious issue
29:23which Pakistan is unable to handle.
29:25Second, India presents itself
29:27as a net security provider
29:29and as a watchdog.
29:31It is telling the world,
29:33look at my power in this region,
29:35China and Pakistan.
29:37To show them,
29:39the actual target is Pakistan.
29:41This is their threat.
29:43The political leadership,
29:45unfortunately, in Balochistan,
29:47whether it is a social movement
29:49or an accumulative movement,
29:51whether it is their politics
29:53or the so-called war
29:55of Balochistan's liberation,
29:57all these politics
29:59start revolving around it.
30:01Deprivation,
30:03we are not heard
30:05until they are in power.
30:07Unfortunately, all this
30:09is revolving around it.
30:11Those voices are missed.
30:13Those voices start
30:15doing anti-voices.
30:17Let us confess,
30:19there are accumulative mistakes.
30:21We all are responsible.
30:23Let me give you a small example
30:25of Balochistan.
30:27Out of 17, 14 Sardars
30:29were Chief Ministers.
30:31This is a baby province of Pakistan.
30:33In 1972,
30:35an order was issued
30:37to expel 2500 teachers
30:39from Punjab or elsewhere.
30:41What was that?
30:43Rana sir was not forced
30:45to do it.
30:4782,000 lawyers
30:49are enrolled.
30:5160% are ghosts.
30:5392 billion rupees
30:55is their annual budget.
30:57Where are they going?
30:59This is the governance
31:01that the Chief of Army Staff
31:03is pointing out.
31:05It is the politicians' responsibility
31:07to check this.
31:0982,000 lawyers.
31:1160% are not there.
31:13There was an incident
31:15where a bus was stopped
31:17between two posts
31:19at a distance of 500 meters.
31:21The workers were removed
31:23from the bus.
31:25I have heard
31:27that the weapons
31:29that they have
31:31are very old.
31:337 billion dollars worth of weapons
31:35were stolen by the Americans.
31:37Unfortunately,
31:39the lawyers are not performing
31:41their duties properly.
31:43They are the first line responders.
31:45They used to operate
31:47in groups of 3-4 people.
31:49The police and lawyers
31:51used to handle them.
31:53They should handle them.
31:55They are heavy military employees.
31:57When the operations
31:59will be over,
32:01they will be reduced
32:03and they will appear again.
32:05The lawyers have to handle them.
32:07You can't put an army, military,
32:09or any other force everywhere.
32:11They are the first responders.
32:13These are the issues of the governors
32:15that the chief of army staff
32:17is pointing out.
32:19I don't want to call it
32:21Balochistan.
32:23It is a matter of Pakistan.
32:25Whether we are in Islamabad
32:27or my people are dying.
32:29It is a matter of Balochistan
32:31or yours or ours.
32:33Look at Kurram.
32:35Because of the bad administration,
32:37players come from outside
32:39and create a big issue.
32:41Now look at the people
32:43who are suffering.
32:45Governance has to be improved.
32:47Politicians will have to take their role.
32:49I am not saying that the establishment
32:51and politicians should fight.
32:53This is a national response.
32:55We are going nowhere
32:57until there is a synergy and response.
32:59This meeting was held today.
33:01I am sure that the points
33:03that they have raised,
33:05I am sure that it will be discussed.
33:07There are many things other than this.
33:09Like Mr. Waleed said,
33:11Mr. Akhtar Mengal was not present.
33:13Many people did not come.
33:15What has been thought further?
33:17How will the deliberations be?
33:19How will the draft be given?
33:21What will happen next?
33:23This is the current situation.
33:25I haven't gone through it.
33:27But I think
33:29the kinetic part
33:31will have to be done.
33:33You have to fight the kinetic part.
33:35Similarly, the non-kinetic part
33:37where there is employment
33:39and social cohesion,
33:41you have to work on that.
33:43I don't have the clarity
33:45that if APC is called,
33:47that will also be a good step
33:49in which you can invite.
33:51Mr. Mengal's group
33:53was also invited.
33:55They were also invited.
33:57They did not come.
33:59That is also not a good thing.
34:01But I think
34:03what can the government
34:05do?
34:07When the National Action Plan
34:09was made for the first time,
34:11there was a big uproar
34:13of the Army Public Schools.
34:15It shook everyone.
34:17At that time, there was a protest
34:19in Islamabad.
34:21That also ended.
34:23Then everyone sat together
34:25and a plan was made.
34:27There can be consultation
34:29if you want.
34:31But everyone should sit together
34:33so that everyone is one.
34:35Absolutely, I agree.
34:37At this time, no movement
34:39or personality
34:41can dominate the national interest.
34:43Nor should we.
34:45At this time, there should be
34:47only one agenda.
34:49We should be united
34:51for national security
34:53and national greatness.
34:55If we follow our personal agendas,
34:57there will be negative results.
34:59Senator,
35:01tell me,
35:03there is a big threat
35:05that the foreign element
35:07has played a key role
35:09in Balochistan.
35:11If there is an insurgency
35:13or if there is a problem,
35:15and if we talk about India,
35:17since the inception,
35:19Pakistan has always been there.
35:21Now there are other elements
35:23and India has a big role.
35:25India has played a role
35:27in removing the American army
35:29and making things better.
35:33What is your understanding
35:35of how to get rid of this threat?
35:39If we talk on a diplomatic front,
35:41what should be highlighted
35:43in front of the world?
35:47I think I should acknowledge
35:49that you have
35:51addressed the PMLN
35:53in this part of the program
35:55and said that the PTI
35:57reservations should be removed.
36:03At this stage,
36:05we did not say anything else.
36:07We just said that at this important
36:09turn and for this important participation,
36:11we should be given access
36:13so that we can get guidance.
36:15There are two types of wars.
36:17One is the war
36:19between India and Pakistan.
36:21Now there is a fifth generation
36:23war.
36:27There are challenges
36:29in this war.
36:33India has played a role
36:35in this war.
36:39India has been accused
36:41of being a dead body
36:43in the case of Balochistan.
36:45It is true that
36:47Gulbashan was also recovered from there.
36:51On a diplomatic front,
36:53we should talk about all this.
36:55But those countries know
36:57that in America,
36:59in Canada,
37:01in other countries,
37:03they kill their people.
37:09The world already knows.
37:11Narendra Modi,
37:13in one of his podcasts,
37:15said that there is no country
37:17like ours.
37:19There is no leadership like ours.
37:21But on a diplomatic level,
37:23we talked a lot
37:25about the kinetic response.
37:29It is true that
37:31a kinetic response is necessary.
37:33But a kinetic response
37:35by itself
37:37is a temporary solution.
37:39A temporary solution
37:41involves a political process
37:43and many other steps.
37:47So yes, once again,
37:49we need to take a whole-of-the-nation
37:51approach on this issue.
37:53To create national unity,
37:55we should all participate in this.
37:57You are right, Mr. Sati,
37:59that we should remove our reservations.
38:01At the moment, we have only one reservation.
38:03We should remove it.
38:05We did not have an extraordinary demand.
38:07Who would want the people of Pakistan
38:09to be unprotected?
38:11We all want Pakistan
38:13to become a strong country,
38:15to become a developing country,
38:17to have a stable economy,
38:19to have a strong economy,
38:21so that people do not feel
38:23unprotected.
38:25If PTI plays its role,
38:27we have seen in the past
38:29that you have a lot of reach
38:31in the American system
38:33and you approach people.
38:35If PTI plays its role
38:37against India,
38:39that would be great.
38:41Yes, we will definitely do it.
38:43Before we reach India,
38:45we need to correct our own issues.
38:49Mr. Waleed, I am saying
38:51that we need to face others first.
38:53We can solve our own issues later.
38:55They say that when a storm comes,
38:57we need to keep the lamp lit.
38:59We have to suffer a lot for our home.
39:01General, tell me,
39:03you mentioned the situation.
39:05How important is this?
39:07I was seeing that 9 years have passed.
39:09If India had caught a serving commander,
39:11God forbid,
39:13he would have screamed and died.
39:15He would have highlighted it every time.
39:17Can we highlight this?
39:19State-sponsored terrorism
39:21is a far-fetched thing.
39:23What will the serving people
39:25do in Pakistan?
39:27We have talked a lot about this.
39:29Can we highlight it?
39:31When RAW agents are going around
39:33and doing their work,
39:35how dangerous is India
39:37for the world?
39:39Not just for Pakistan.
39:41Mr. Ashfaq, I think
39:43as a peaceful nation,
39:45Pakistan has always given
39:47peace a chance.
39:49Pakistan strongly believes
39:51in conflict resolution.
39:53Pakistan is giving India
39:55a chance to talk.
39:57We have Kashmir issue with them.
39:59We have no other issue with them
40:01other than Kashmir.
40:03The application they have made
40:05is a serious issue.
40:07To be very honest,
40:09we have to move forward
40:11with more offensive diplomacy
40:13because there is
40:15realization in the world.
40:17Senator Waleed was pointing
40:19towards Gurban Singh's
40:21hire for murder.
40:23The American court has implicated
40:25Amit Shah, their sitting minister.
40:27The state is looking after
40:29this operation.
40:31Have you seen Justin Trudeau?
40:33The murder of Nijat Singh
40:35in Canada,
40:37the use of Bishnoy gang,
40:39this is known to the world.
40:41Underworld,
40:43their film industry,
40:45their involvement with terrorism,
40:47narcotics money,
40:49this is a huge net.
40:51Unfortunately, our media
40:53doesn't care about it.
40:55We give doziers,
40:57but we have a disadvantage
40:59that India has acceptance
41:01in the big corridors.
41:03Because of their role.
41:05Finances.
41:07Plus economy.
41:09Indo-Pacific has shown itself
41:11that they will scuttle China.
41:13All their preparations
41:15are for Pakistan.
41:17Economic interest is high.
41:19People take it.
41:21But the train incident,
41:23other than Gulboshan,
41:25we have many other evidences.
41:27Their targets are in Afghanistan.
41:29With the Trump administration,
41:31we can use
41:33the ice break.
41:35I would say
41:37two things about America.
41:39They realized
41:417 billion dollars
41:43and made it an embarrassing situation.
41:45Plus the handover.
41:47But craftily,
41:49until you tell America
41:51what will happen to their interests,
41:53they won't listen.
41:55And they will.
41:57Because ISIS,
41:59ISIL,
42:01they are all under this umbrella.
42:03Terrorism is not a religion
42:05or an objective.
42:07Whoever wants to pay them,
42:09will use it.
42:11I would like to say
42:13that there are two threats.
42:15One is a strategy called
42:17WITHOUT,
42:19and the other is
42:21TRF, TTP.
42:23We should have a red line
42:25on this.
42:27Then our internal issues
42:29within,
42:31socio-economic, political,
42:33need to be polarized.
42:35We need to end these things.
42:37We need to be united
42:39without wasting any time.
42:41We need to have a procedure
42:43to end this.
42:45Very good.
42:47You see the financial side as well.
42:49You are an advisor on this.
42:51But in the whole world,
42:53especially in Kashmir,
42:55when they invoked 35A and 370,
42:57we saw that
42:59in some Arab countries,
43:01Modi is being given a sword.
43:03No one said that.
43:05The financial side is very important.
43:07Bilateral and multilateral
43:09trades are very important.
43:11We need to strengthen ourselves
43:13on this issue.
43:15How much business you have
43:17from which country,
43:19this is a trump card
43:21of any foreign policy.
43:23That plays a major role.
43:25I think the path of development
43:27of Pakistan's economy
43:29is a hindrance
43:31to Pakistan's security.
43:33If we clear these things,
43:35then we can move towards
43:37foreign direct investment.
43:39Thank you very much.
43:41Thank you very much for your time.
43:43We will take a break here.
43:45We will conclude after the break.
44:13Thank you very much.
44:43Allah Hafiz.