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01:08Welcome to the show.
01:09Everybody.
01:10Global war is escalating under supposedly antiwar Donald Trump.
01:17That's right.
01:18Antiwar Donald Trump, who we were told would end all wars immediately, get us into no new
01:24ones and peace would reign supreme globally.
01:29Has presided now over more bombing than ever in Gaza, launched new attacks in Yemen, didn't
01:39end the Russia Ukraine war on day one, like he promised, and is threatening to annex Greenland,
01:47Panama and Canada while threatening Iran.
01:53Does that sound opposed to global conflict to you?
01:58You know, for a guy who swore that he was the peace president, Donald Trump is sure
02:02racking up quite a body count here.
02:05So here's what's going on.
02:06Gaza bombing resumed Yemen.
02:10More airstrikes than ever.
02:12And Ukraine not even close to peace.
02:15The man who promised to end wars on day one is now knee deep in conflicts.
02:21He's dropping bombs left and right, all while pretending that he is still somehow this antiwar
02:28hero.
02:29Remember when Donald Trump promised to stop the bloodshed?
02:33Israel just launched its most intense assault on Gaza since January, killing over 400 people.
02:41The reason, according to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, there was not enough progress in
02:47durable ceasefire talks.
02:49So they are bombing their way out of the stalemate.
02:51Trump, the supposed neutral broker, has been missing.
02:55He's been golfing, posting to truth social and cheering about winning tournaments that
03:02he organizes at Mar-a-Lago.
03:04And instead of peace, Palestinians are being ordered to evacuate.
03:08And we once again are wondering, is a full scale ground invasion coming?
03:14Trump's love affair with bombing Middle Eastern countries continues, this time with a new
03:18wave of airstrikes in Yemen.
03:20We talked about this yesterday.
03:21Over the weekend, U.S. forces killed at least 53 people in a relentless campaign against
03:27the Houthis, with more strikes coming in the following days expected.
03:32And Donald Trump isn't even pretending that this is about defensive action.
03:37He has opened up the door to a full scale offensive strike and has given authority to
03:44manage that to U.S. Central Command.
03:48And then we look at Iran.
03:49Donald Trump is now escalating rhetoric against Iran, saying they are sinister mobsters and
03:55thugs and threatening them with, quote, great force.
04:00This is the guy who campaigned on ending all wars and doing everything possible to avoid
04:06starting any new ones.
04:08And this is very different than what we are seeing today.
04:11Donald Trump also spent his entire campaign bragging about how he would end the Russia
04:17Ukraine war insanity.
04:18First, he was going to end it within a day of becoming president elect.
04:23Then he was going to end it with it within a day of being sworn in.
04:26Most recently, we are told that might take 100 days.
04:29And even that seems pretty optimistic because the latest is that Trump held a call with
04:33Vladimir Putin reportedly through a Ukrainian president of Vladimir Zelensky under the bus
04:41floated a peace plan that sounds suspiciously like carving up Ukraine to appease Russia.
04:48But meanwhile, Russian forces continue their assault.
04:51And the Trump administration is restricting intelligence sharing with Ukraine.
04:55Although Trump recently said, we've sort of restarted sharing intelligence.
04:59But did they?
05:00We don't know.
05:01The point is that war seems nowhere close to ending.
05:06And Trump's big deal doesn't seem to be peace.
05:10It seems to be war and submission to authoritarians.
05:14We will be lucky if on top of all of this, he doesn't invade Greenland, airstrike Mexico,
05:23try to annex Canada.
05:25And what this is fundamentally about is not the fact that he's not able to end every war.
05:31We all knew he wasn't going to do it.
05:33It's that he sold himself as the guy who would bring the troops home, stop the endless wars,
05:39make the United States of America a neutral player in global conflicts rather than an
05:45aggravating factor.
05:46And just look at what we're seeing under Trump's leadership or lack thereof.
05:51We are seeing mass bombings in Gaza resume an escalating war in Yemen, a Ukraine conflict
05:59that's not ending anytime soon.
06:02This is not peace.
06:04This is chaos.
06:06This is failure.
06:07And one of the growing sort of narratives or discussions that we're finding ourselves
06:12hearing quite a bit is which thing is Trump doing to distract from which other?
06:19And what I mean by that is, is Trump escalating global war to distract from what he's doing
06:25with the tariffs?
06:26Are the tariffs meant to distract from the growing constitutional crisis over deportations,
06:32which we will talk about in a moment, or is ignoring the court order on the deportations
06:37to distract from the fact that he is not executing an anti-war presidency?
06:42We don't know.
06:44And that this even may give him too much credit.
06:48Trump may be getting too much credit in the idea that he's deliberately trying to distract
06:52from a by doing B or C. But the next thing we must talk about is the constitutional crisis.
07:01It is happening.
07:02The constitutional crisis legal experts have been warning about is happening right now.
07:08It's unfolding in real time as we see the Trump administration outright ignore a federal
07:14court order and is daring the judiciary to stop them.
07:18We talked about this on the award winning bonus show yesterday.
07:21All awards we give out, I admit it, but many awards have been won over the weekend.
07:26Two plane loads of Venezuelans were deported under Donald Trump's immigration crackdown
07:33and a judge explicitly ordered those flights to turn around midair.
07:39The administration refused.
07:41They didn't do it.
07:42They said the ruling doesn't apply because the planes have already left us airspace.
07:45They are not subject to recall.
07:48Now, some are thinking about this as an immigration issue.
07:52This is not just an immigration issue.
07:55This is the president of the United States openly defying the judicial branch and sending
08:00the message.
08:01Court rulings don't apply to me.
08:03This is not the first time that Donald Trump has challenged judicial authority.
08:07Remember that his administration aggressively fought against court rulings on the mass firings
08:12of federal workers, on freezing federal funds, on blocking asylum claims, on revoking automatic
08:18birthright citizenship.
08:20We are at a tipping point and I try to avoid being hyperbolic on this show, but I also
08:26try to avoid understating a crisis and it is critical to understand why this is a crisis.
08:34When we say threat to democracy, it is not a vague nebulous thing.
08:41When the White House ignores and disregards specific concrete court orders, you must do
08:48X and they ignore it.
08:50We have to look at this as what it is.
08:54There are serious legal questions surrounding the deportations that go even above and beyond
09:00just ignoring the court order, which themselves are arguably a crisis.
09:05There are really four additional legal issues here.
09:07Number one, the legal basis that the Trump administration is using for these immediate
09:13mass deportations is something called the alien enemies act.
09:18Legal experts say completely improper usage simply doesn't apply here.
09:22Gangs are not foreign governments making the legal justification very shaky.
09:27We have not declared war on these countries.
09:29The legal justification just doesn't apply.
09:32Secondly, did the administration violate a federal court order?
09:36Because if so, officials could face sanctions or even be ordered to reverse the deportations.
09:43Number three, what about due process?
09:45Many of those deported were not given proper hearings.
09:49They were not given access to an asylum claim.
09:52And there are civil and human rights concerns there.
09:55And then fourthly, what about international law?
09:59Trump laughs at international law.
10:01The U.S. appears to have deported individuals to El Salvador without clear consent.
10:08And that is also potentially a breach.
10:11Now it gets to the sort of nitty gritty.
10:15If courts rule against the Trump administration, they might say, you've got to bring back the
10:21deportees.
10:22Uh, however, how on earth do you enforce such a ruling, especially now that the deportees
10:29are in El Salvador and a Salvadorian president, Naib Bukele has said, we're not sending them
10:36back.
10:37So understand that this is not normal.
10:38Previous presidents, Democrats, Republicans, they have battled court rulings.
10:44Sometimes we agree with the administration when these battles take place and sometimes
10:48we don't.
10:49But ultimately prior administrations have complied with court orders.
10:55Trump is pushing the limits further.
10:57And why wouldn't he?
10:58Because he's gotten away with everything so far.
11:01And if Trump can get away with ignoring court rulings on immigration, what would stop him
11:06from doing the same thing on elections, on congressional subpoenas, on constitutional
11:13rights?
11:14So we are at a real stress test for democracy here.
11:19If courts cannot enforce rulings, checks and balances collapse.
11:26And that is the real crisis here.
11:28Trump is betting nothing will stop him.
11:31And you know what?
11:32I think he's probably right because nothing has stopped him for years.
11:36When we talk about the framers of the constitution establishing checks and balances, we also
11:44acknowledge they never thought that the American people would vote in a charlatan like Trump
11:53who would flout every norm, law and regulation.
11:57Plato knew it.
11:58Plato was worried about democracy, which he believed ultimately would lead to the most
12:06ignorant and uninformed buffoons.
12:09My word buffoon, not his ignorant, uninformed buffoons electing a president.
12:16And then that president would be a fiasco.
12:18Plato predicted it a long time ago.
12:21Framers of the constitution didn't think the American people would ever do it.
12:24Well, they have.
12:25And now what we are up against, as we saw in term number one, and we are seeing now
12:29is that the constitutional checks and balances, the systems that we have in place, even the
12:35judiciary seems unsuited in terms of really having the teeth to make Trump do what they
12:43declare and what should be done.
12:45So what is next?
12:46You really can't blame Trump because if you get away with nine things, wouldn't you also
12:51try to get away with a 10th?
12:53It's also finally really important to understand that Trump is really the kind of final manifestation
13:03of the direction that things started going since the civil rights era.
13:07I write about that specifically in my book, The Echo Machine, which will be out in a week.
13:13We are down to the final seven days before the book is out.
13:17I worked very hard on this book.
13:20I think it's critical to understand how we got to where we are.
13:23And that's part of what the book does.
13:25I would love for you to order it available at Barnes and Noble, Amazon.
13:29Any local bookstore can get it for you.
13:31The latest is that there are 1100 signed copies spoken for at Brookline Booksmith.
13:39They're having me sign 200 more.
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13:51We will take a break.
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13:55No, no, no.
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18:08But while we're here, I thought it would be appropriate.
18:10We are tomorrow announcing and giving all of the Kennedy files.
18:19So people have been waiting for decades for this.
18:23And I've instructed my people that are responsible, lots of different people put together by Tulsi
18:33Gabbard. Right. And that's going to be released tomorrow. We have a tremendous amount of paper.
18:43You've got a lot of big paper. I don't believe we're going to redact anything. I said, just
18:48don't read that. You can't redact. But we're going to be releasing the JFK files and that
18:55would be tomorrow. Do you have anything else to add to that, Carol?
18:59So that's a big announcement. They've been waiting for that for decades. But while we're
19:04here, I thought. So how about those Epstein files? How about it now? You know, I really
19:09am agnostic with regard to whether these it is there. And the reason I use that term,
19:16is there really some mother load in the John F. Kennedy assassination files that goes above
19:23and beyond what has been speculated, suggested and demonstrated so far? I have no idea. It's
19:28possible that that exists. It's possible that it does not. I have not. I'm not feeling
19:33definitive one way or the other. Where Donald Trump seems to really not want anybody looking
19:40is that the Epstein files, Jeffrey Epstein, the flight logs and whatever else might be
19:45part of that, including going back to earlier investigations down in Florida into Jeffrey
19:50Epstein. And the speculation is it's because Trump himself is implicated there. Trump known
19:57to associate for long periods of time with Jeffrey Epstein. That really creepy video
20:02of Epstein and Trump kind of looking at and evaluating women dancing the Epstein files.
20:07We would really love to see. Are they really going to release the mother load of the JFK
20:12files? Well, we will certainly see. Now, during this bizarre event at the Kennedy Center,
20:19Donald Trump also repeated the blatant lie that Russia has a Ukrainian army of contingent
20:27surrounded in Kursk. But he says he's going to talk to Putin and Trump really kind of
20:33making himself the the hero of this completely fabricated situation in Russia and Ukraine.
20:39Listen to this. I'm speaking with President Putin of Russia to save some soldiers who
20:45are in deep trouble. They're captured. Essentially, they're surrounded by Russian soldiers. So
20:51I give you a lot of different I give you a lot of different things in one news conference.
20:55But it's a big deal. They're surrounded by Russian soldiers. And I believe it was if
21:02it wasn't for me, they would be they wouldn't be here any longer. I was able to get them
21:07not to do anything at this moment. But it's a bad situation in Russia and it's a bad situation
21:13in Ukraine. What's happening in Ukraine is not good. But we're going to see if we can
21:18work a peace agreement, a ceasefire and peace. And I think we'll be able to do it. I'm speaking
21:23to President Putin. Is any of that true? Or is Trump once again
21:29making himself a main character in a movie that nobody's watching? Nobody's even producing
21:36the movie. It would not come as a surprise for Donald Trump to pull the whole I saved
21:42these soldiers. Booten had him surrounded. And I came in there and I saved them. And
21:47he has me. They all have me to thank. And Zelensky should be grateful. He needs to prostrate
21:53himself in the ritual humiliation that Donald Trump has now taken to demanding from everybody.
21:58Thank me. Thank me now on your knees. What a wild situation. Trump. But we have no evidence
22:05that what he describes is happening. Might it be happening? Maybe we have no evidence
22:10that it is anything other than a complete and total fabrication. Now, Trump weighed
22:14in on why he's even getting involved with the Kennedy Center honors. I I hesitate to
22:21tell you that his answer is clear. OK, listen to what he said.
22:24Mr. President, most people think of the Kennedy Center. They think of the Kennedy Center honors
22:29takes place in December every year. Is that something that you anticipate hosting at the
22:34White House? And what do you think that we're going to have honors? We're going to have
22:37I think it's going to be a much bigger show than it has been in the past. It got tired.
22:42Very tired. Very tired. Very boring. Very radical left. Unless you are a radical left.
22:48It just seemed that nobody was chosen. There are a lot of people out there that can get
22:53the honors and we're going to do it. I think we'll have a very big show. It's going to
22:56be a very big show. We have some surprises on that show. Some big surprise. Ted Nugent
23:02and Kid Rock will be honored and performing and hosting and doing everything because they've
23:10got nobody else. Big surprises. But I think it has a chance to be a very big show. That's
23:14a big part of the Kennedy Center, the honors that evening. And so I think you're going
23:19to be really surprised. I think it's going to get great ratings, actually.
23:23The ratings are going to be absolutely unbelievable. I love Tesla. I love Tesla. OK. And then finally,
23:33Donald Trump weighing in on the auto pen controversy. If you missed this one, I'm jealous of you.
23:40I wish I had missed it as well. Donald Trump declared in a middle of the night truth social
23:45post a couple of days ago that the pardons signed or issued by President Joe Biden are
23:52void and vacant because Biden used an auto pen. Now, auto pens are commonly used by all
23:59presidents to sign documents. A reporter asked Trump a great question, which is, have
24:05you ever used the auto pen? And Trump goes only for stuff that's not important.
24:10And you'll make your own determination. Yeah, only for very unimportant papers. And I don't
24:22call them unimportant. If you do letters where people write in and, you know, they'd love
24:27to have a response or write responses and I'll sign them whenever I can. But when I
24:31can't, you know, would use an auto pen. But to use them for for what they've used them
24:38for is terrible. Right now, of course, a better question might
24:43have been, Mr. President, sir, did you hand sign all fifteen hundred pardons for the January
24:566th rioters so that then we could maybe compare apples to apples? Or did you not even do that
25:02and just issue one blanket pardon, which is arguably of even more legal dubiousness, if
25:10that's a word. That question didn't get asked. So Trump announcing a disgusting, massive
25:16dump of documents today. Big paper, massive paper. We will see if ultimately that happens.
25:24Maybe by the time you listen to today's show, you will have heard about it. One other moment
25:28I want to talk about from this event, which was even stranger. Like a disoriented Evita,
25:35Donald Trump attacked a reporter while speaking from a balcony at this event related to the
25:42Kennedy Center Honors. What a weird moment. Surreal. Dare I say Kafka ask not Orwellian,
25:51but maybe Kafka ask Donald Trump confused attacking journalists asking him questions
25:59he poses for pictures on a balcony like a modern day Evita make a lot of changes to the seats,
26:07the decor. Yeah, it's just not gaudy enough for Trump. Pretty much everything needs a lot of work.
26:15I don't know about that. He's the most popular vice president we've had in years. The most popular
26:29vice president we've had in years. I don't know anything about it. I figured you'd ask a question.
26:34Mr. President, what are we talking about? Price wise, renovate, bring it up to
26:39that, whatever it is. I think, you know, it's such an important part of the fabric of the country and
26:46of D.C. So we want to do it right. We'll do it right. We'll do it once. You want a little picture
26:58like this or are you guys ready? Come on. We're good for really quite an aura there surrounding
27:08Donald Trump, although the aura, it seems to potentially be body odor. It doesn't it's not
27:14exactly the same aura of people past. So the latest is that the Kennedy Center Honors will
27:24be completely subjugated for political purposes. They're going to find, I guess, right wing
27:31entertainment and other figures to honor. And it is going to be kind of like the latest
27:39cultural battle line to try to turn anything that Trump can get his hands on into a MAGA
27:45fiasco. He also appointed it's Laura Ingram. And who else was it? Let me see if I can find
27:52it quickly. Laura Ingram. And there was another new board member that Trump appointed. Oh,
27:59who was it? Oh, Maria Bartiromo, Fox News, Brown Noser and Perpetual Screamer. Maria
28:07Bartiromo also appointed to the board of the Kennedy Center Honors. So it's it's we've
28:11lost it. We've lost it, not as something from the left, just as something nonpolitical.
28:16It's gone. It's now into the depths of MAGA, maybe to never surface again. Tragic and terrifying,
28:24terrifying stuff.
29:25believe climate change is real, insists the 2020 election was stolen, claims vaccines
29:31contain microchips. There's really no conversation to be had. But here's the thing. Even when
29:39we do manage to agree on the facts, that doesn't mean that we agree on what the problem we're
29:45trying to solve is. And I believe that that's just as dangerous. So, for example, take climate
29:52change. Problem one, which I talk about in my book, is that we have no shared basis.
29:59In fact, a huge swath of the right resisted admitting that climate change was even happening
30:07when they started to admit, OK, climate change is happening.
30:11They resisted the idea that humans play a role. Humans aren't possibly powerful enough
30:17to affect the climate of the planet. It has nothing to do with what humans are doing.
30:22And they couldn't resist that any further. They said, well, humans may play a role, but
30:27that role is tiny and it's not worth worrying about. And it's definitely not worth doing
30:33anything about. But even if we agreed on the facts, we would still have an issue of not
30:40agreeing on the problem.
30:41Let me explain to you what I mean. Liberals, progressives, the left, even most of the world's
30:48scientific community agrees that rising temperatures, extreme weather, sea level rise is a threat
30:57to humans on this planet, to life on this planet. It's more than just humans. The problem,
31:03as we might say it, is that human activity, fossil fuel burning, deforestation, industrial
31:09emissions is destabilizing the planet.
31:12It's going to make life harder in some places. It's going to make life impossible. So life
31:16impossible. So our goal would be let's reduce emissions. Let's invest in renewables. Let's
31:22prevent a catastrophe. That's how we would define the problem. Remember, this is when
31:26we've gotten them to agree on the facts. Climate change is happening and humans are playing
31:31a role, which we haven't even gotten to yet. But imagine that we did. We define the problem
31:36as I just did. The MAGA people, you know, right wingers, whatever.
31:42Even when they acknowledge climate change and human role in that, they don't see the
31:48same problem to them. The real threat isn't a collapsing ecosystem. It's being forced
31:55to change their way of life. It's government intervention in stuff. When they think about
32:00climate action, they're not thinking about saving Miami from going underwater or preventing
32:06wildfires in California.
32:08They think about do I have to give up my SUV? Do I have to give up my gas stove? Do
32:12I have to give up cheap flights to Florida? Their problem is not climate change itself.
32:18It's anything that threatens their immediate personal comfort and their consumption habits
32:22and their way of life. Even though, of course, over the long term, climate change will be
32:26very disruptive to their way of life. This disconnect is crucial because even when facts
32:31get through, the solutions are impossible when the problem is not agreed upon. Now,
32:37I've been talking about climate, but this happens across the board in the echo machine.
32:42My book, I look at how right wing media has systematically trained its audience to see
32:47entirely different problems than those outside the bubble. And when people don't even agree
32:54on what the issue is, you can't get to a solution. Here's some other examples. Healthcare. The
33:00left sees the problem as millions of Americans are unable to afford basic medical care and
33:07the left wants to get everybody at least some coverage. The right would define the problem
33:14as government overreach into healthcare, socialism, taking away private insurance. Uh, and so
33:22we aren't even on the same page as far as the problem goes. How do you fix a problem
33:27if you don't agree with the problem is on wealth inequality. On the left, we see much
33:32of the problem as corporations and billionaires hoarding resources while workers struggle.
33:38The right sees the problem of inequality as lazy people not working hard enough. If the
33:42lazy people worked harder, there would be less inequality because they would have more
33:46money. One, a couple other examples. Crime. The left sees the problem of crime as systemic
33:56related to poverty and all of these circumstances lead to crime. The right sees the problem as
34:03woke da's being soft on criminals who are just born to be criminals and are immutably going to
34:11be criminals. Hard to solve a problem when that's the way you see it. And then last example,
34:15education. The left tends to see the problems in education as public schools are underfunded
34:23and we need to invest more in education. The right sees the problem as woke teachers,
34:29indoctrinating kids, and they oppose in many cases, even the concept of public education.
34:36They want to privatize, they want vouchers, charter schools, private schools, et cetera.
34:40Every single one of these issues follows a really similar pattern, which is that even if you get
34:47past the misinformation, even if you get the MAGA voters to acknowledge the facts as they are,
34:53their definition of the problem is completely different and you still have no way to really
34:58solve anything unless we can agree on that. One of the most damaging effects of the right wing
35:03media ecosystem, the, the, the echo machine, as I call it in my book, the echo machine
35:09is that it hasn't just taught people to believe things that aren't true. It has taught them
35:17to focus on the wrong problems. MAGA voters have been conditioned to see these manufactured crises,
35:24woke M&Ms, trans athletes, CRT in elementary schools. By the way, nobody talks about CRT
35:32anymore. Now it's DEI. They, they have been taught to see these contrived issues as existential
35:39threats and they ignore the real problems, economic inequality, climate change, healthcare costs,
35:44poverty, et cetera. The result is perpetual outrage with no progress. The right gets to
35:50campaign on fighting woke ism, banning books, uh, getting men out of women's sports while avoiding
35:58the fact that they have no serious solutions to the real problems Americans are facing.
36:03This is a circle. It's, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. If the right wing base is
36:09constantly focused on the wrong threats, they won't ever demand real change of the kind that
36:16we need. And if they never demand real change of the kind that we need, the people at the top,
36:20so Trump, you know, Republican elites, right wing media moguls, they get to keep their grip on power
36:26and nothing changes. So the message here, and part of what I talk about in the book is that if we
36:32want to break out of this cycle, we can't just correct falsehoods. And intuitively we've known
36:38this for a while. The conversation has to be reframed around actual problems. And one of the
36:43additional wrinkles that I've kind of thought about that's not in the book, but that I'm now
36:48kind of elaborating is that we really need to connect policy to what happens in the real world.
36:55Sort of ironically, those two recent stories we did man votes, Trump wife gets deported. And then
37:02yesterday man votes, Trump wife gets arrested by ice while awaiting citizenship papers. Those
37:09stories really connect policy to real world consequences. And so that's another aspect of
37:16this. It's something that corporate media has failed to do. It's something the left hasn't
37:22always really done well either because getting someone to accept reality is step number one.
37:27The further challenge is often getting them to care about the right things. If this is all
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38:28She was asked about the new controversy that Donald Trump has started in claiming that Joe
38:33Biden's pardons are void because Biden supposedly used an auto pen to sign the pardons. By the way,
38:41something Trump also does. She was asked about it. And here is how Caroline Leavitt responded
38:47and reporters having to explain to her that that it is up to her to be able to answer these
38:53questions, not for them to do her work for her. Listen to this.
38:58If the president was even consulted about his legally binding signature being signed onto
39:03documents. And so I think it's a question that everybody in this room should be looking into,
39:08because certainly, um, that would propose, uh, perhaps criminal or illegal behavior.
39:13If staff members were signing the president of the United States autograph without his consent
39:17is on the record talking about issuing preemptive pardons to these people.
39:22But was he aware of his signature being used on every single pardon? That's a question you should
39:26ask the Biden. Is there any evidence on that that he wasn't aware of? You're a reporter.
39:31You should find out, Sean. I I'm without speech. Caroline Leavitt, when asked, do you have any
39:41evidence for the things you've asserted, goes, you're a reporter, you find out it is Caroline
39:49Leavitt's job as the press secretary to make sure what she's saying is true and to turn it around
39:58and say, maybe what I said is true. Maybe it isn't. You find out, Caitlin, you're the reporter.
40:05This is part of the total disrespect and debasement that we are seeing here in terms of
40:11the relationship with media. Are you lying to us, Caroline? Can you tell us any evidence you have
40:17for what you're saying? You're a reporter. You find out absolutely terrifying. Now, later during
40:25the same press briefing, Caroline Leavitt, apparently in one of these Freudian slips,
40:32said the following. Take a look. We want to restore the Department of Justice to an
40:36institution that focuses on fighting law and order. Did you catch that? We want the Department
40:43of Justice to fight law and order, not to fight for it, just to fight it. Did you miss that one?
40:51Listen, again, we want to restore the Department of Justice to an institution that focuses on
40:56fighting law and order and crime and putting real criminals behind bars, not targeting Americans
41:02because of their religion or their political speech. We saw that under the previous administration,
41:06and it's unacceptable to this president. Well, they've achieved that. If the goal was to turn
41:12the Department of Justice into an entity that fights law and order, they have certainly done it
41:18by weaponizing it in the very way they said Joe Biden was weaponizing it. Consider that a reporter
41:25brought up reports about the Trump administration considering withdrawal from the International
41:34Center for the Prosecution of Crime of Aggression Against Ukraine, basically saying Trump wants to
41:41let Russia get away with it. And Caroline Lovett goes, you know, there have been many reports.
41:46Thanks. There have been some media reports just in the last few hours that the administration
41:52has decided to withdraw from the International Center for the Prosecution of the Crime of
41:57Aggression Against Ukraine, which is designed to hold Putin accountable for war crimes.
42:04Are you able to confirm that? And if that has occurred, why has that occurred?
42:08I'm not able to confirm it because I have not heard that. I will caution. I know there have
42:12been many inaccurate and misleading reports from Reuters lately, so I would caution anybody taking
42:17that seriously. But I can check in and get. One of the tools of the authoritarian playbook,
42:25one of the chapters out of the authoritarian playbook is you so doubt on absolutely everything.
42:33Can we trust what you're saying, Caroline? She says to Caitlyn Collins, you're a reporter.
42:39Go figure it out. Can we trust these reports from historically reliable reporting outlets,
42:46Reuters and Associated Press? I don't know anything about it, but I would be very skeptical
42:52about accepting anything reported by them. A press secretary who claims just not really to
42:59know anything other than a handful of talking points. She's not prepared for briefings. Her
43:05reflex is always to either attack the person asking the question or attack the source of the
43:13report. You know, Kayleigh McEnany, she lied a lot. Big, big, big liar. But she was prepared.
43:21You know, we would joke about her stacked binders with the tabs and the whole thing.
43:25She was organized in her apologia for Donald Trump. Caroline Leavitt is a completely different
43:34sort of disaster. And this is what report, you know, it would be great to say we've got to get
43:39her out of there and figure out this is what it is. This this is what the press is dealing with.
43:45And the press is simply going to have to go around her rather than working with her to try to figure
43:51out what the hell this administration is up to. And as if this press briefing wasn't bad enough,
43:57she appeared on Fox News last night. Let's talk about that. Caroline Leavitt, after her
44:03totally disjointed press conference yesterday, during which when asked for evidence for the
44:09things she was saying, shot back at CNN's Caitlin Collins and said, Caitlin, you're a reporter.
44:13You figure it out. You figure out if there's any evidence. She appeared on Fox News and totally
44:19humiliated herself. You would think that by now the Trump administration would have learned.
44:24You don't send Caroline Leavitt on TV without preparing her to avoid seriously embarrassing
44:31herself. And yet here we are again in a segment that I can only describe as painful to watch.
44:35Caroline Leavitt tried to spin the latest legal fiascos for this administration only to end up
44:44making the case against Trump's own argument. Listen to what Caroline Leavitt had to say.
44:51And so we have, unfortunately, Sean, a judicial branch that has gotten so out of control.
44:57You have single judges in single cities in lower courts trying to determine the way in which the
45:04president handles foreign relations. They cannot be allowed to do that. If we live in a country
45:10where the will of the American people is subverted by a single judge in a single court,
45:15we no longer live in a democracy. Does she hear herself? Does she understand how what she's saying
45:22applies to her administration and to the Supreme Court that has been established by her boss?
45:29Because what she is saying sounds a lot like an argument against the Supreme Court's conservative
45:36supermajority, which has been gutting voting rights, reproductive rights and democracy itself.
45:42But Caroline tells us about how one judge overruling Trump is undemocratic. And meanwhile,
45:51Trump is stuffing courts with right wing extremists in lifetime appointments. And that
45:57is completely fine and democratic. But it did not stop there because subsequently Caroline Leavitt
46:05pivoted to immigration and she repeated Trump's go to talking promises, made promises, kept Sean
46:14President Trump campaigned on securing our homeland, on expelling foreign terrorists and
46:20illegal violent criminals from our nation's interior. And that exact is it is exactly
46:25what he is doing. On February 20th, President Trump signed an executive order designating
46:32Trendy Aragua as a foreign terrorist organization, because that is what they are.
46:37As you know, let me pause just briefly. Let me pause just briefly.
46:41The use of the Alien Enemies Act has never been done in this context. The countries where these
46:51individuals came from and are being deported to are not countries with which the United States
46:57is at war. They aren't in many cases separate from the Trendy Aragua situation.
47:03They are not deporting individuals who have done anything other than be here undocumented,
47:09sometimes as a result of paperwork delays and mishaps. And so this entire framing is delusional.
47:16But she continues. Take a listen. Just heard Sarah so eloquently say,
47:19these are some of the most heinous monsters, criminal gangsters, violent murderers and
47:25rapists who have invaded our country under the lawlessness of the previous administration.
47:31There is a new sheriff in town now, and he is using every lever of executive authority to
47:37secure our country. That's why the president invoked the Alien Enemies Act. He is well within
47:42his constitutional and legal and executive authority to do so. And our administration
47:47is prepared to fight this battle in court because we know that this was a whole of government effort.
47:53This was a successful counterterrorism operation led by President Trump, the Department of State,
48:00the Department of Homeland Security and now the Department of Justice who will win this battle
48:05in court on behalf of the American people and the innocent, beautiful women who were slaughtered.
48:11Their lives were taken too short at the hands of these illegal foreign terrorists. And if the
48:17Democrats want to pick this fight, Sean, it's one we will pick all day long because they are
48:21now arguing that the president should have turned around those planes with these foreign terrorists
48:26on them. I don't think the American public want these people in our country. That's why.
48:31All right. I'm going to have to stop it. Trump's actual immigration policies are an utterly chaotic
48:39mess. Of course, you know, you go back to the first term, the border wall that Mexico was
48:43going to pay for never finished. The mass deportations are happening. They're running
48:48into legal challenges left and right. They are deporting people who are not the violent criminals
48:55they said they were going to be deporting. And then, of course, don't forget the idea
48:59of using the military to round up and deport millions of people because nothing says small
49:04government conservative like a police state crackdown on immigrants. And then, of course,
49:08ignoring court orders not to deport individuals to El Salvador talked about it at the top of the show,
49:14a growing constitutional crisis. This is the same press secretary who repeatedly calls the media
49:23dishonest while going on TV and humiliating herself with her own words, whether it's war
49:31or democracy or immigration. The Trump team strategy is clear. You say whatever sort of
49:39sounds good to a right wing audience. Hope nobody checks. And what you when you get confronted,
49:45you just double down harder. And as usual, reality sometimes catches up to them. The consequences
49:52are frequently nonexistent, but reality does catch up to them. And we realize that not only is this
49:58entire immigration fiasco disjointed, it appears to contain extrajudicial elements. It appears to
50:04contain novel legal interpretations of the Alien Enemies Act, which are not justifiable with any
50:12jurisprudence or precedent of any kind whatsoever. And their biggest ally in doing all of this is
50:21Fox News, right wing media, people like Sean Hannity, people like Charlie Kirk. There there
50:25are people who will defend what this administration does no matter what it is. And Caroline Leavitt
50:33has quickly become one of the top propagandists and disseminators of the lies of this administration.
50:42Joe Rogan, oops, just dropped a classic white nationalist talking point without even realizing
50:49it. At least I'm going to assume he doesn't realize it. On a recent episode of his podcast,
50:55Joe Rogan talked about how when China wants to stay Chinese, nobody has a problem with it.
51:02But when Poland wants to stay white, all of a sudden people aren't so happy. I know. I know.
51:10Listen to this. A thing when an all white country wants to stay all white where people get very
51:16nervous of if you have, you know, let's say China, like China is Chinese people. We we all agree
51:28that it's like, it's filled primarily with Chinese people. There's people that live there
51:34from all walks of life all over the world, but it's mostly Chinese people. If China
51:40had decided that they wanted to remain Chinese and stay Chinese, and that being Chinese is very
51:47important to what China is, no one would have a problem with that. Yeah. When a country like
51:52Poland does it, you're like, oh, those white people, they want to keep everybody out. They
51:56want it to be all white. Yeah. And because we're you know, that's post World War two. That's that's
52:02post Aryan race talk. That's post Nazi stuff. That's what people are legitimately freaked
52:07out about. That's the most recent stain in our history where we look back and say, wow, that was
52:12close. Listen, you know, on the surface. This might sound like a simple observation about
52:21double standards. You know, when China wants to stay Chinese, it's fine. When Poland wants to stay
52:27white, it's bad. But the reality is that this is an old rhetorical trick that's been used in white
52:34nationalist and white supremacist circles for decades. Now, I'm not saying Rogan's deliberately
52:40repeating that. I would love to talk to him about it. But Rogan's entire premise here is based on a
52:47complete and total misunderstanding or representation of China and of Poland.
52:52China is Chinese. And when it wants to stay Chinese, no one has a problem, Rogan says.
52:59But when Poland wants to stay white, everybody gets upset. Now, here's the reality. China has
53:0556 ethnic groups and more than 300 languages and dialects. It might all seem like Chinese to Rogan,
53:14one people, one language, but it's not. And the idea that China wants to stay Chinese is
53:19misleading because China is extraordinarily multiethnic. Now, when white nationalists
53:26argue that places like Poland or any other European country should remain white, what
53:33they're really advocating for is racial purity. This is a core tenet of white nationalism. They
53:40frame any level of immigration or diversity as a threat to whiteness, even when the demographics
53:47shift by really small percentages. That's not the case in China, but that's what they're fighting
53:53against in Poland. Now, notice how Rogan says Poland wants to remain white. And and the word
54:01remain is a key thing here because the argument being pushed, whether Rogan intends it or not,
54:07is that Poland has some kind of pure, homogenous white identity that must be preserved.
54:12This is the same language used by white nationalist groups who talk about the so-called
54:16great replacement, which is that white people are being systematically replaced in Western
54:20countries. In the U.S., it's Democrats are bringing in brown and black people illegally
54:26to somehow become citizens, even though there's no way and eventually vote in elections that
54:31these are versions of the white replacement theory, the great replacement theory.
54:34The idea that European nations must remain white echoes the talking points of groups like
54:41Identity Europa, the American Renaissance Movement, people like Richard Spencer.
54:47White nationalist movements have always justified their racial purity by pointing to countries like
54:54China or Japan. And it is playbook stuff. And what it ignores is that, number one,
55:00these countries aren't as racially pure as the white nationalists claim. Number two,
55:07the argument is really designed as a way to launder white nationalism into mainstream
55:13conversation by saying it's just fair if China gets to stay Chinese, Poland should get to stay
55:19white. And it is the same logic that segregationists use in the United States during the civil rights
55:24era. Other cultures, they get to preserve their traditions. We just want to preserve ours.
55:30This is the same logic that South African apartheid supporters would use to justify
55:37racial separation. So what Rogan's statement does is it fits into the broader kind of grievance
55:46politics of white nationalism. White people, especially in the West, are oppressed because
55:52they just want to maintain their culture. Now, of course, nobody is saying Poland can't preserve
55:58its traditions. What's actually happening is that these arguments are being used to push
56:03obviously anti immigration, obviously anti multiculturalism, but often just outright
56:10racist policies under the guise of protecting whiteness. Rogan is playing with fire here,
56:17and I don't know whether he realizes it, but Rogan is amplifying an argument that's been used to
56:22justify everything from just banning immigration to outright violence on the basis of race. Do you
56:31think he realizes that this is what he's toying with or does he have no idea? Let me know on the
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