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00:00Today's guest is this person.
00:07Suzuki Sawa-san, an actress who had a brilliant debut in 1994.
00:17Master! Beer!
00:20She acted as a woman who lived powerfully, not losing to adversity,
00:24and made her debut as a new face of the year.
00:31Ready, action!
00:35In the popular TV series, she played a wife who supported her husband in prison.
00:44Can I ask you to do it again?
00:47Thank you!
00:50Her roots were in the family of a family of painters, who passed down the art of expression.
00:56Today's guest is Suzuki Sawa-san.
00:58Please come in!
01:00Thank you for having me.
01:06Thank you for having me.
01:09Sawa-san.
01:10You know the roots of my genes, don't you?
01:15I've never been nervous before, but I'm very nervous today.
01:22You don't look nervous at all.
01:25You look like you're having fun wherever you are.
01:41Her real name is Suzuki Sawa.
01:43She was born to her parents in Showa 47.
01:50She was born in Hamamatsu City, Shizuoka Prefecture.
01:56The first place she visited was her father's studio.
02:03Suzuki Shun-san.
02:05Her father was a painter.
02:08It's so bright.
02:11Suzuki Shun-san.
02:13She was the representative of the painting class.
02:16She was also the student of the painter, Shun-sei Saijo.
02:21It's unique.
02:22It's unique, isn't it?
02:23Yes.
02:24When you enter the zone, it's completely different.
02:26It's not what you usually do.
02:28It's like a jazz piano.
02:34He's an artist.
02:35Is this a picture of Shun-san when he was young?
02:38Yes, this is a picture of him when he made his debut.
02:45It's a classic.
02:47He made his debut as a painter when he was 34 years old.
02:54Who does Shun-san look like?
02:57When I turned 40, I started to look like my father.
03:06Her father, Sadao, influenced her to become a painter.
03:13Sadao was the representative of Hamamatsu.
03:18He won the Prime Minister's Award.
03:25There was a motif that she had been drawing all her life.
03:30It was...
03:32Sakyu.
03:35She was also known as the Sakyu painter.
03:41Sakyu was located near her home in Nakatajima.
03:45She came here and drew more than 1,000 Sakyu paintings.
03:53Sadao was particularly drawn to the wind gate.
03:58The wind blows on Sakyu, right?
04:01Then a wave pattern appears.
04:06It's different every day.
04:08It's like the wind.
04:10My father was very romantic.
04:15He was a romanticist.
04:24Sadao Suzuki's precious paintings were left behind.
04:28Every time I see a painting like this, it's amazing.
04:32Sadao has his own technique.
04:37He uses real sand to express the grandeur of the Sakyu.
04:43He uses real sand.
04:47When the sun rises on a silver-gray Sakyu,
04:51it becomes a slightly purplish beauty.
04:55It's very grand.
04:59He uses real sand to express the grandeur of the Sakyu.
05:11Suzuki's family has two sons and two daughters.
05:16What kind of family is it?
05:18He was introduced to the family where his ancestors lived.
05:27This is where they lived.
05:30It's called Iwagoi.
05:33His family runs a restaurant that sells Sakyu and cooks Sakyu.
05:39I miss this place.
05:41The owner is Suzuki Ishiro, the great-grandfather of Sawa.
05:45He was a very skillful person.
05:49Have you met Suzuki Ishiro?
05:52He was a great cook.
05:57He had a banquet on the second floor.
06:00He was a great cook.
06:04Ishiro's eldest son, Sadao, is a passionate romanticist.
06:09He doesn't care about his family's restaurant.
06:16At the age of 19, he becomes a painter,
06:21and begins to learn painting.
06:25However...
06:30The Pacific War broke out in the 16th century.
06:36The following year, Sadao was drafted into the Navy
06:41and assigned to the Yokosuka Defense Force.
06:46Sadao, who was learning painting,
06:50was forced to paint tanks and warships.
06:57I didn't want to go to the army.
07:01I didn't want to carry a gun or a sword.
07:06So I became a cook.
07:10I didn't want to kill people.
07:16As a cook, Sadao was sent to Okikazu,
07:21where he was executed.
07:27It was January 10th, 1918.
07:31It was 12.50 a.m.
07:34The American submarine, Trigger,
07:38was hit by two torpedoes.
07:42Okikazu sank.
07:47His son, Shun, heard about what had happened.
07:53A few of the crew members
07:58had a fragmentary function.
08:01They were caught in it and swam.
08:06But as they swam,
08:10one or two of them sank.
08:14They were exhausted.
08:18My father worked hard and made it to land.
08:23He swam 4 kilometers.
08:26He swam 4 kilometers.
08:30In the cold water.
08:35Sadao lost his hearing due to the shock of the bombing.
08:40He spent most of his time painting.
08:47After the war, Sadao decided to paint again.
08:53There are still a lot of mushrooms.
08:57But he couldn't see the future.
09:01It was difficult for an artist.
09:06He wanted to paint again.
09:10Sadao drew a sign.
09:13He drew a line.
09:18Then he met a woman on the train.
09:25I realized there was a beautiful woman.
09:31I fell in love at first sight.
09:34I think I had a crush on her.
09:38Her name was Ikuko Sawano.
09:41She raised Sadao as an artist.
09:50I saw my grandfather for the first time in a long time.
09:55It was a vivid image.
09:58He became a person who expressed his romanticism.
10:03I think he showed his will even in the war.
10:07I felt his passion for painting.
10:13He wanted to paint again.
10:18He wanted to paint again.
10:22That's why he swam 4 kilometers in the cold water.
10:26He had a great passion and vitality.
10:30I thought he looked like my father.
10:38Nice to meet you.
10:42Mr. Sawano has someone in his family he is particularly concerned about.
10:48Ikuko Fushihara, the great-grandmother of his father.
10:55My grandmother was so sweet to me.
11:00She was the closest person to me.
11:04She was always concerned about me.
11:10Ikuko's grandmother's roots were in Morimachi, Shizuoka Prefecture.
11:19It flourished as a dormitory town in Akiha Kaido, which continues to Shinshu.
11:25It is also known as Shokyo-do in Enshu.
11:30Mr. Sawano took Ikuko to a place where the Fushihara family lived.
11:38It's around here.
11:42It's a big street that goes through the town.
11:47People from Shinshu would bring sea goods to Morimachi.
11:52On the other hand, people from the mountains would gather in Morimachi.
11:56About 70% of the people in Enshu would gather in Morimachi.
12:03There were many shops along the street.
12:09Tea cultivation flourished.
12:13From Bakumatsu to Meiji, many tea shops were active.
12:19Fushihara Tokichi was a tea merchant.
12:24He was the eldest son of Mr. Sawano.
12:30Fushihara Teizo was born as Tokichi's eldest son in Meiji 20.
12:37Ikuko was greatly influenced by him.
12:41Ikuko's daughter, painter Aoi Suzuki.
12:46Her mother often told her about Teizo.
12:52She said,
12:55He was very intelligent and passionate.
13:01He was the type of person who could see through everything.
13:08In 1939, Teizo enrolled in the Department of Engineering at Osaka University.
13:16After graduating, he went to Taiwan as a student chemist who made sugar.
13:25He found an article about Teizo.
13:30He found an article about Teizo.
13:37He was like a demon.
13:44He was smart and intelligent.
13:49He was good at unifying his subordinates.
13:54He was good at unifying his subordinates.
13:58In 1936, Teizo started a new business in Kagoshima.
14:06He became the manager of a company that made sugar from sweet potato starch.
14:15He had great expectations.
14:20He was a man of great talent.
14:26He was a man of great talent.
14:32Teizo's business was successful.
14:38Teizo's business was successful.
14:41He lived in a house where it took him an hour every morning to open a window.
14:52He was guided to the site of the factory where Teizo worked.
15:01This is where the site of the starch factory was located.
15:11According to the excavation, a large number of sugar was produced at the factory.
15:23However, on May 26, 1936, at 2310,
15:32a boiler exploded with a loud sound.
15:38Fortunately, Teizo was not there.
15:43However, the company was disbanded on the 3rd day.
15:50The company was disbanded on the 3rd day.
15:54There was a woman who rejected Teizo's offer.
16:01Iwata Yoshi, a famous performer in Kagoshima, was a famous performer in Kagoshima.
16:12He was a person who could do anything,
16:17such as shamisen, singing, dancing, and tsuzumi.
16:22I fell in love with him at first sight.
16:27Teizo and Yoshi were married, and Ikuko was born in 1936.
16:33She was the closest person to Sawa.
16:39Ikuko was born, and Teizo died.
16:43He started his business in Osaka again.
16:48He asked his grandson, Hiroyuki Fushihara, about his business.
16:56Ikuko told him about his mother.
17:01Ikuko told him that many customers would come to see his mother.
17:06Ikuko told him that many customers would come to see his mother.
17:11Teizo lived in a tea shop.
17:16Teizo noticed a tea shop in Morimachi, where he was born.
17:21He sold his tea in Osaka as Enshu Mori no Ishimatsu no Cha.
17:27He sold his tea in Osaka as Enshu Mori no Ishimatsu no Cha.
17:32He opened a large department store and was very successful.
17:37He was very successful twice.
17:40Ikuko grew up watching his business and Teizo.
17:45Ikuko graduated from a prestigious university in Osaka.
17:51When he started working at a commercial company, he saw many different businesses.
17:57He became more and more interested in Teizo Yuzuri.
18:03Everything seemed to be going well for Yasaki.
18:10In 1936, Teizo died of a heart attack.
18:16At the age of 54, his life came to an end.
18:22What's more,
18:26he was hit by the Great Osaka Earthquake in the 1920s.
18:32His house burned to the ground.
18:37It's not as sad as having your house burned down.
18:43It must have been sad.
18:48Ikuko, who lost her father and her dream at the same time,
18:53moved to Morimachi.
18:56I met Sadao Suzuki there.
19:00He was a war-loving man who achieved a miracle.
19:04Sadao was attracted to a passionate romanticist.
19:11They got married, and in 1923,
19:15Sawa's father, Shun, was born.
19:20However, after the war, the family's life was very difficult.
19:26I heard it was very difficult.
19:28From selling pickles to fortune-tellers,
19:32Sadao was very busy.
19:35He didn't draw what he liked.
19:40Even so, he didn't give up on his dream.
19:44Ikuko always drew leaves.
19:48She's a strong-willed woman.
19:51My mother loved to move.
19:55She loved to go to school.
19:59When she came home,
20:02she said,
20:04my mom is calling me from the other side of the house.
20:09Shun, I'm here.
20:11She wanted to go to a better place.
20:15He had an endless dream,
20:18but he probably couldn't make it come true.
20:21He was always chasing his dream.
20:28I think I understand that.
20:31After 10 years,
20:34Ikuko finally found a motif that she wanted to draw from the bottom of her heart.
20:42When Ikuko planned an exhibition as a producer,
20:46her first painting sold like hot cakes.
20:51I knew my father,
20:54so I wanted to draw a portrait of him.
20:58I think my mother had the same ambition.
21:01I think I came this far because my mother was there.
21:06In the meantime,
21:08Shun was influenced by Sadao, who pursued expression,
21:11and studied drawing.
21:14Shun graduated from Tama Art University in 1947.
21:19That's where he met his destiny.
21:24I was staring at the courtyard from the classroom.
21:30There was a girl who caught my eye.
21:33What were you looking at?
21:35A white, elegant girl.
21:37Isn't she the same as your grandfather?
21:40A beautiful girl was there.
21:44When he entered the drawing room,
21:47he talked to her.
21:50What are you trying to draw?
21:54She said,
21:56I don't like drawing.
22:00I don't want to draw anymore.
22:03I said,
22:05Let's stop drawing today.
22:08Let's go get some tea.
22:10He's a romanticist.
22:12He's so romantic.
22:14He's a romanticist.
22:16His partner was Kazuko Tojo,
22:19who later became the mother of Sawa.
22:24Isn't it amazing?
22:26Heiji and Teizo.
22:28They fell down once,
22:30and succeeded again.
22:32However,
22:33life is short.
22:36In such a short life,
22:40his grandmother, Ikuko,
22:44inherited her DNA,
22:46and saw her vitality.
22:48Artists like Goho
22:52don't have a way to sell themselves.
22:55His grandmother played that role.
22:59I saw that.
23:00If a woman doesn't work hard,
23:03it's no good.
23:05What is the ability to attract women?
23:08Not everyone can do it.
23:10It's the DNA that shows the value of life.
23:14It comes to you.
23:16Don't miss it.
23:18That's also a talent.
23:24Next,
23:25we visit Kazuko Tojo,
23:28the mother of Sawa.
23:34Kazuko chose to be an artist
23:37to learn how to live as a Tojo.
23:44I wanted a motif.
23:49Without a motif,
23:52I couldn't express myself.
23:56I couldn't express myself.
23:58I didn't have the words to express myself.
24:02Kazuko's father, Saburo, was a doctor.
24:06His ancestors were also doctors.
24:14His roots are in Tome City, Miyagi Prefecture.
24:19My grandfather was a doctor.
24:21He's been a doctor here since the Meiji Era.
24:27The Meiji Era?
24:29This is Sato Yoshitomo, the director.
24:32He's connected to Sato Gentatsu,
24:35the great-grandfather of Sawa's four generations.
24:41The history of the Gentatsu Room
24:44was left in the warehouse.
24:48In the 12th year of the Meiji Era,
24:51he graduated as a first-generation student.
24:54He started his career here.
25:00Sato Gentatsu, the great-grandfather of Sawa.
25:04He devoted himself to medical care.
25:08I went from here to Chinozeki by horse.
25:15By horse?
25:16Even now, I hear the name Gentatsu-zaka
25:21written on the road there.
25:26He was loved by everyone.
25:31Two generations before Gentatsu,
25:34there was another great doctor,
25:37Genmin Sone.
25:39Genmin Sone, the great-grandfather of Sawa.
25:42We found the items that Genmin carried around.
25:47Wow, what a house!
25:50There were medicine ingredients in here.
25:55We put them together and prescribed them.
25:59It's a medicine box for mobile phones.
26:01Wow!
26:03There were 194 kinds of small medicines in here.
26:09It's a medicine box.
26:13At the bottom of the medicine box,
26:16there was mandala jitsu.
26:20Mandala jitsu?
26:22Mandala jitsu is a Chosen Asagao medicine.
26:25Wow!
26:29It's a Chosen Asagao medicine.
26:32It's the main ingredient of Chosen Asagao.
26:38Chosen Asagao was developed by Dr. Hanaoka Seishu.
26:44In the Edo period,
26:46it was the world's first Chosen Asagao surgery.
26:51Genmin instructed Seishu
26:53to learn the technique and bring it back to Tohoku.
26:58I see.
27:01Genmin brought the cutting-edge medical technology to Tohoku
27:06and made use of it.
27:08I think Genmin played a role in spreading it to the local people.
27:14Genmin's grandfather, Tojo Saburo, inherited his family's teaching.
27:19Tojo Saburo.
27:21He was born into a family with his nurse, Yoshiko.
27:25She became Sawa's mother.
27:32Saburo passed away as a doctor in 1934
27:37in Higashi-Naruse Village, Akita Prefecture.
27:40Wow, he's been to so many places.
27:43We asked people who knew about him.
27:46Nice to meet you.
27:48Nice to meet you, too.
27:50Without a doctor,
27:54you can't even write a will.
27:59You can't even get a certificate.
28:01It was such a difficult time.
28:06He was a great doctor.
28:09He was a god.
28:11He was a great doctor.
28:15Winter is a time of drought.
28:17It's really a drought.
28:19Even if a doctor passes away, the situation continues to disappear.
28:23Wow, that's amazing.
28:26In such a place,
28:28Saburo dedicated 10 years of his life to local medical care.
28:33I don't want people to talk to me.
28:40I don't want to bother them.
28:45I want them to talk to me.
28:47I want them to talk to me.
28:50But he had his own reason for doing this.
28:57If I don't do my best, I can't find a doctor.
29:00I can't find a doctor.
29:02If I have a fever, I can't sleep.
29:05I can't find a doctor.
29:07I can't find a doctor.
29:09I can't find a doctor.
29:11I can't find a doctor.
29:13Saburo's saying is,
29:15I want you to come to me before it gets worse.
29:22And so,
29:24he visited patients on the bus,
29:26and for a while, medical gauze was put on his whole body.
29:34Kazuko grew up looking at her father's back.
29:38She loved to play by herself.
29:43Even if I go out in front of people,
29:45I can't say anything.
29:47If I walk around town, I'm scared.
29:50I'm always looking down.
29:56Saburo's wish is,
29:58I want you to pursue your goal.
30:06Kazuko's only way to break her shell
30:10was to draw.
30:15She entered the art club in high school,
30:18and finally found the words to express herself.
30:23One day, my father came home,
30:26and he said,
30:28this is it!
30:30He showed me the paint.
30:33With Saburo's encouragement,
30:36Kazuko began to pursue her own expression.
30:42In 1942,
30:44she entered Tama Art University.
30:48There she met Shun,
30:49and they became a couple.
30:57There was something that Shun
31:00cherished very dearly.
31:04This is an 8mm film
31:07that I've been taking
31:10since I was 0 years old.
31:14On September 20th, 1947,
31:16Sawa was born in Hamamatsu, Shizuoka Prefecture.
31:20I can't believe I can see this in this world.
31:23It's not a video.
31:26Ikuko, Tsuchikata's grandmother,
31:29was the happiest of all.
31:34She had a happy time with her family.
31:38Grandma!
31:40Grandma is so excited.
31:43Come here, please.
31:46The walls are completely stripped down.
31:50The floor of the bathroom is also a mess.
31:54But I still love this place.
31:58I love this house so much.
32:01Come here, please.
32:04I love taking a bath,
32:07so I go into the bathtub
32:10and talk and get washed.
32:12Then my dad sings a song.
32:15He sings,
32:18like he's wearing a strawberry hat.
32:21I wonder why he sings like that.
32:25However,
32:27there is a difference
32:30between the artists and the couple.
32:34Sawa is 13 years old.
32:37Her parents are divorced.
32:39When her mother and daughter
32:42began to live together,
32:45Sawa began to have a certain idea.
32:49My mother wanted me
32:52to be like Sawa.
32:55She always wanted me
32:58to be like Sawa.
33:01Otherwise, I wouldn't be who I am.
33:05Kazuko taught her children
33:07how to paint
33:10and worked at a printing company.
33:15There is a motif
33:18that she kept drawing.
33:21A green tunnel.
33:25The tunnel
33:28was perfect for me
33:31at the time.
33:33The tunnel always had an end
33:36and a light on the other side.
33:39I always had hope
33:42that one day I would get through.
33:45It was a condition
33:48that I would get through
33:51with a clear mind.
33:54On the other hand,
33:57Sawa began to feel
33:59that her grandmother was
34:02the only one who supported her.
34:05My mother was the scariest.
34:08She was so scared of being scolded.
34:11She would say,
34:14Grandma! Grandma!
34:17I would always ask my grandmother
34:20to text me.
34:23There was something
34:26she was depressed about.
34:29How are you?
34:32Noriko Sato
34:35was Sawa's teacher for 12 years.
34:39She remembers Sawa
34:42who sometimes
34:45wanted to express herself.
34:48Sawa would go to the flower shop
34:51and I would follow her.
34:54But when I went to the flower shop,
34:56Sawa stopped moving.
34:59I kept looking at her.
35:02I wondered what she was doing.
35:05She turned around
35:08and said,
35:11I will give you the flower.
35:14I thought, what?
35:17I think she felt like
35:20she was going to explode.
35:23She wanted to say something.
35:27After graduating high school,
35:30Sawa decided to become an actress.
35:33Tunnel.
35:36When Sawa left,
35:39I told her
35:42about this place.
35:45I told her I was watching her from here.
35:56The doorbell rang
35:59at the theater.
36:02She wanted to make Kazuko happy.
36:05A big weather
36:08came to Sawa.
36:13The movie,
36:16The New World of Love.
36:19Kazuko was selected
36:22as the leading actress.
36:25I told her,
36:28the audition was about to start.
36:31She was so happy.
36:34I told her,
36:37I have to take off my clothes.
36:40She was so surprised.
36:43I told her,
36:46it's okay.
36:49She was so happy.
36:51The final selection was All Mood.
36:54It was a nightmare.
36:58I was like a professional wrestler.
37:01I told her,
37:04it's okay.
37:09Director Banmei Takahashi.
37:13Why did he choose Sawa as the leading actress?
37:17I felt like I had guts.
37:19I was the leading actress
37:22from the beginning.
37:25I didn't do it because I was told.
37:28I wanted to lead
37:31the movie
37:34and be the leading actress.
37:38In 2006,
37:41the movie was released.
37:44It was a big hit.
37:49At the same time,
37:52Sawa left her parents
37:55and was released.
38:04How was it?
38:07My grandfather was a doctor.
38:10When I was little,
38:13he gave me a heart monitor.
38:16I was so happy.
38:19He was a famous doctor.
38:22I felt like
38:25my mother respected him.
38:28I thought
38:31he was a respectable father.
38:34My mother was a bit
38:37negative.
38:40But my mother was
38:43a unique and powerful person.
38:46She was a reporter.
38:49She was always looking down.
38:52But I think
38:55she was happy to meet her father.
38:58When I was young,
39:01I was always being filmed.
39:04I was asked to say something.
39:07That's why it's related to the audition.
39:10I think that's true.
39:13If I was asked to do something,
39:16I had to express it.
39:19How did you feel about the audition?
39:22I thought it was
39:25just about how I wanted to live.
39:28I didn't know if I could be
39:31an actress or not.
39:34But I decided to go this way.
39:37It's easy to understand.
39:40It's like a baton.
39:43I thought there was something
39:46in my talent.
39:49I thought it would be
39:52the biggest gift in my life.
39:55Since her debut in 2006,
39:58Sawa has been active
40:01in movies and dramas.
40:04Let me do
40:07her voice.
40:10As a female actor,
40:13she appeared in many movies.
40:15She also appeared
40:18in many dramas.
40:21I'm so nervous.
40:24It's all about Sawa.
40:30Ikuko is the one
40:33who was looking forward
40:36to Sawa's activities.
40:38Ikuko lost her father
40:41at a young age.
40:44She had a special feeling
40:47for Sawa,
40:50who pursued her dream
40:53even though she was far away from her father.
40:56I wanted to do
40:59what I could for Sawa.
41:02I felt sorry
41:05for Sawa
41:08when she lost her father.
41:13Ikuko Suzuki.
41:16She supported her family
41:19in 1999.
41:27In this interview,
41:30we found a collection of Ikuko's works.
41:34Among them,
41:36there is a song
41:39when she went to see Sawa's play.
41:42She was 94 at the time.
41:46She was an actress
41:49and played the role
41:52of her granddaughter.
41:59And there is a work
42:02in the 8mm film
42:04when she went to see Sawa's play.
42:10It's been 30 or 40 years.
42:13I haven't seen it for a long time.
42:19The title is
42:22LOVE'S COLLECTION.
42:25It's a family history
42:28that begins with their meeting.
42:34Ikuko Suzuki.
42:39There are a lot of papers.
42:43It's been a long time.
42:52It's beautiful.
42:58I'll pick you up.
43:05I want to throw you.
43:07I'm sorry.
43:34Sawa
43:37and I
43:40were born
43:43because
43:46we loved each other.
43:51That's how we were born.
43:54You can rest assured.
43:59You don't have to worry
44:02about being born
44:04because you love each other.
44:15It's the result of our love.
44:18It's the culmination.
44:20I love you.
44:32I wonder if they're worried.
44:35I think they know
44:38how much I love them.
44:42I'll look for your memories.
44:45A nostalgic place and family history.
44:47I want to see it again.
44:50Broadcast on Wednesday, the 19th at 7.57pm.