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00:00So, Roy, you know what I'm talking about, right?
00:04What is it?
00:06This is your show.
00:08I know you're nervous.
00:10It's your show.
00:12No, it's your show.
00:14Whether it goes well or not,
00:16it's up to you.
00:18It's not up to me.
00:20I'm getting hungry.
00:22What's that?
00:24We have a guest today.
00:26She's an actress.
00:28Pretend you know her.
00:30I'm asking you.
00:32I know what you know.
00:34Listen to me.
00:36We have a guest today.
00:38I know.
00:40So, don't attack her.
00:42I won't.
00:44I want a dog friend.
00:46If you get attacked,
00:48be patient.
00:50Got it?
00:52I might get attacked.
00:54That's your job today.
00:56Whether it goes well or not,
00:58it's up to you.
01:00I'm getting scared.
01:02Okay.
01:04You never listen to me.
01:06Okay.
01:08Let's do this.
01:10Okay.
01:12Let's go.
01:27Here.
01:29Here's some water.
01:31Water?
01:33What's this?
01:47Natsume Soseki,
01:49a dog lover,
01:51was a dog lover in Shibusawa.
01:53Masataka Matsutoya,
01:55a modern dog lover,
01:57went out with a dog lover guest.
02:14Roy,
02:16do it right.
02:18I'm counting on you.
02:20You're nervous.
02:22Hello.
02:24Hello.
02:26Hello.
02:28He ran away.
02:30This is Noah.
02:32Hello, I'm Roy.
02:34How old are you, Noah?
02:36I'm 4 years old.
02:384 years old?
02:40He's wagging his tail.
02:42My name is Roy-kun.
02:44Roy-kun?
02:46Roy-kun.
02:48In Japanese,
02:50it's called Roy-kun.
02:52It's like Shita-kun,
02:54or Takushi-Shita-kun.
02:56It's annoying,
02:58so I changed it to Roy.
03:00Roy-kun.
03:02I feel like we'll get along well.
03:04My first guest
03:06was actor Terajima Shinobu
03:08and Noah-kun.
03:10Actor Onoe Kikugoro,
03:12a kabuki actor,
03:14was born between
03:16actor Fujisumiko
03:18and Noah.
03:20His movies,
03:22like Akame Shijuuyataki Shinjuu Misui,
03:24Vibrator,
03:26and Caterpillar,
03:28won many awards
03:30in Japan and abroad.
03:32By the way,
03:34I like the movie
03:36Oh! Lucy.
03:38By the way,
03:40Noah-kun's name
03:42was taken from
03:44the French word
03:46Roy-kun.
03:48I feel like
03:50we'll get along well.
03:52It's been 12 years
03:54since I met Terajima-san.
03:56It's been 12 years.
03:58It's been a long time.
04:00Do you remember?
04:02I don't remember
04:04what we talked about.
04:06Let's start from the beginning.
04:08Let's go.
04:10Let's go.
04:12Terajima-san's red shoes are cute.
04:14And he has a walking bag.
04:16My dad doesn't have anything.
04:26Do you go for a walk often?
04:28Before I know it,
04:30I have to go for a walk.
04:34I always go for a walk in the morning.
04:36Once?
04:38Does that mean two or three times?
04:40Once in the evening.
04:42I hope I can go for a walk
04:44once in the evening.
04:48But I don't want to walk at all.
04:50Do you go for a walk with that?
04:52I don't want to go outside.
04:56How is your relationship with your dog?
05:00I have a son,
05:02but he's like a brother to my son.
05:06We're always together.
05:08We always fight.
05:10So, Terajima-san is
05:12your son's boss?
05:14That's right.
05:16But my husband
05:18doesn't do anything,
05:20but in the end,
05:22he follows my son.
05:24So, I think
05:26my husband is the best.
05:28Oh, really?
05:30How about this person?
05:32This person is me.
05:34Not Yumi-san?
05:36No, no, I'm the boss.
05:38Who's going to feed you?
05:40Yumi-san.
05:42I'm Yumi.
05:44You're Yumi.
05:46Do you have a set course?
05:48Yes, we do.
05:52How long is the walk?
05:56I don't know how long it is,
05:58but it's about 30 minutes.
06:00There are two types of dogs in the world.
06:02Those who like to walk
06:04and those who like to stay at home.
06:06We like to stay at home.
06:08But we like the roots of the trees.
06:10Are you more sociable
06:12than other dogs?
06:14We put shampoo
06:16in the pet hotel.
06:18There are a lot of dogs there,
06:20and they seem to be
06:22quite well-behaved.
06:24How about you, Noah-kun?
06:26I'm like that, too.
06:28I'm more sociable.
06:30They say I'm not like Shiba-ken.
06:32What's Shiba-ken like?
06:34Dogs have a certain distance
06:36from their owners.
06:38I see.
06:40Dogs have a unique Shiba-ken.
06:42Shiba-ken?
06:44Dogs don't have this distance.
06:46So, they get angry.
06:48When they get angry,
06:50Noah gets angry, too.
06:52It's like that.
06:54It's like a human world.
06:58I see.
07:00I've had a lot of dogs
07:02since I had Shiba-ken.
07:04My father loves dogs,
07:06especially Golden Retrievers.
07:08That's good.
07:10Golden Retrievers are kind.
07:12Yes.
07:14I had seven Golden Retrievers
07:16at home.
07:18Golden Retrievers?
07:20They're almost like breeders.
07:22Yes.
07:24Noah-kun, how many dogs
07:26do you have?
07:28I have three dogs
07:30in total.
07:32Three?
07:34The first one is a Kuroshiba.
07:36The second one is a French Bulldog.
07:38The third one is this one.
07:40Really?
07:42They all died of COVID-19.
07:44I see.
07:46I was so depressed
07:48because of COVID-19
07:50that I lost all my pets.
07:52I see.
07:54I was crazy.
07:56It must have been so hard
07:58for you.
08:00It was hard for me
08:02to give Frenchie a shot
08:04every day.
08:06I thought I would be free
08:08from this,
08:10but I was getting
08:12more and more lonely.
08:14I ended up losing them.
08:16Humans are lonely.
08:18I wish I could
08:20have two dogs.
08:22But
08:24if you look at it from this angle,
08:26Frenchie looks happier.
08:28Yes.
08:30What do you think about dogs?
08:32That's what I want to know.
08:34My mother has been
08:36living alone.
08:38When I have Frenchie,
08:40I feel sorry for her.
08:42I see.
08:44But when you are alone,
08:46you can show your love
08:48to each other.
08:50That's right.
08:52I think Frenchie
08:54is the best.
09:10You have a personality.
09:12You go straight
09:14and zigzag.
09:16I told you to go around
09:18if you are in a hurry.
09:20Let's go.
09:25Do you want to eat something?
09:27Yes, I do.
09:29Do you want to eat?
09:31Yes, I do.
09:33Do you want to eat?
09:35Yes, I do.
09:37Can you eat this?
09:39Yes, I can.
09:41I'm so happy.
09:43Do you want to eat?
09:45Yes, I do.
09:47I'm so happy.
09:49I'm only interested
09:51in food.
09:53Let's buy this snack at home.
09:55I know it's there.
09:57No.
09:59What do you eat?
10:01Dog food.
10:03Only dog food?
10:05Yes, but
10:07sometimes I like bread.
10:09I eat bread.
10:11Human bread?
10:13Yes.
10:15How about you, Noah?
10:17Except dog food.
10:19Dog food,
10:21I eat cup noodles.
10:23You eat natto.
10:25Natto?
10:27I add chicken breast,
10:29vegetables,
10:31and stew them.
10:33I make soup.
10:35Natto
10:37smells bad.
10:39Do you have to brush your teeth?
10:43What?
10:45She is angry.
10:47Don't make that face.
10:49I didn't say your breath smells bad.
10:51I told you not to make a guest angry.
10:55You're right.
11:03The roots of Shiba Inu
11:05go back to the Jomon period.
11:09The Shiryoken,
11:11which was brought by people
11:13from the south to Japan,
11:15was the ancestor.
11:17The Shiryoken
11:19was a dog
11:21brought by people
11:23from the mainland.
11:27There are six types of Shiba Inu in Japan.
11:29Due to the Shiryoken boom,
11:31Shiba Inu was threatened
11:33with extinction.
11:35However,
11:37Shiba Inu was designated
11:39as a national natural monument
11:41in 1936.
11:4380% of Shiba Inu
11:45have brown hair,
11:47which is called red.
11:49Today's guest,
11:51Noah-kun's black hair
11:53is only about 10% of Shiba Inu's hair.
11:55Shiba Inu
11:57used to be a Shiryoken.
11:59It is said that Shiba Inu
12:01is not very sociable
12:03except for their family.
12:05Therefore,
12:07Shiba Inu
12:09is loyal to their master.
12:11The bond between Shiba Inu
12:13is still strong.
12:17It's been 12 years.
12:1912 years
12:21means
12:232012.
12:25Yes.
12:27Caterpillar was born in 2010.
12:29Yes.
12:31I met you
12:33after I visited you.
12:35I was quite nervous.
12:37I see.
12:39I thought you were
12:41an actor.
12:43Well,
12:45I'm not an actor,
12:47but I want to be an actor.
12:49Yes.
12:51So,
12:53I'm scared
12:55to be an actor
12:57who wants to be an actor.
12:59I see.
13:01The set of Caterpillar
13:03was too harsh.
13:05Was it?
13:07Yes.
13:09I went there
13:11as a guerrilla
13:13with several staff members.
13:15I shot about
13:17ten scenes
13:19in two weeks.
13:21It was amazing.
13:23I felt strange.
13:25Is that good?
13:27Yes.
13:29Caffe Latte.
13:31Cappuccino.
13:33What's the difference?
13:35The amount of milk?
13:37Has anything
13:39changed
13:41in the past
13:4314 years?
13:45Your way of thinking?
13:47I don't think
13:49marriage has changed much.
13:51I see.
13:53However,
13:55as a child,
13:57I couldn't concentrate
13:59on my work.
14:01How old were you?
14:03I'm 12 now.
14:05I was in the first year of middle school.
14:07What changes
14:09as a child?
14:11I couldn't concentrate on my role.
14:13I see.
14:15During the shooting,
14:17I wanted to be
14:19a part of the role,
14:21but when I got home,
14:23I had to take care of my child.
14:25I didn't have much time
14:27to memorize lines.
14:29I had to do many things.
14:31Especially,
14:33I had to do many things
14:35after I went to bed.
14:37I had to do many things
14:39after I went to bed.
14:41So, I was sleepy at night.
14:43I see.
14:45It was hard.
14:47It's strange,
14:49but
14:51I think
14:53having less time
14:55is better
14:57than having
14:59more time
15:01to memorize lines.
15:03I see.
15:05I think it's not only
15:07about time.
15:09I see.
15:11How long
15:13does it take
15:15to make a song?
15:17It takes a moment.
15:19A moment?
15:21Yes, a moment.
15:23It takes a long time
15:25to verify
15:27whether it's good or not.
15:29When you think
15:31you've found something,
15:33what do you do?
15:35I walk around town
15:37and hear something.
15:39Sometimes,
15:41I feel like
15:43I've found something.
15:45You listen to other sounds.
15:47I don't start from scratch.
15:49I don't start from scratch.
15:51I think it's the same
15:53with scriptwriting.
15:55When I read a script,
15:57I accept it.
15:59When other people
16:01accept it,
16:03I reject it.
16:05Did it happen to you?
16:07Yes.
16:09When I think
16:11I should be an actress,
16:13I lose motivation.
16:15Do you have
16:17more work to reject
16:19or to accept?
16:21I don't think
16:23I've seen
16:25a lot of rejection.
16:27I see.
16:29You work in an office.
16:31Yes.
16:33But,
16:35I do most of the work.
16:37I think
16:39there's a reason
16:41why I do it.
16:43I eat
16:45most of what I get.
16:47I do
16:49almost everything I get.
16:51What?
16:53Don't you hate it?
16:55I hate it a little bit.
16:59I hate it a little bit
17:01because
17:03it's mixed with
17:05amateurism.
17:07I did it recently.
17:09It's funny
17:11when I do it.
17:13I found something
17:15in it.
17:17So,
17:19I accept it.
17:21It's true.
17:23When I do it,
17:25I feel like
17:27it's a good betrayal.
17:29As I get older,
17:31I become more and more
17:33pessimistic.
17:35I think
17:37I'll be alone
17:39in a year or two.
17:41Then,
17:43I'll go on an adventure
17:45and do it again.
17:47I see.
17:49You're hungry, right?
17:51Let's get some bread from the shop.
18:13Hey, don't you go?
18:15When I was a high school student,
18:17I went to many cinemas.
18:19I see.
18:21I went to the cinema
18:23all the time.
18:25I went to the 7th floor of
18:27Bunkamura.
18:29I went to the cinema
18:31with European movies.
18:33I went to Pantheon.
18:35There were many American movies.
18:37I went to the cinema
18:39in front of Bunkamura.
18:41What was it?
18:43It was in Saka.
18:45The one in Dogenzakan?
18:47Yes, that one.
18:49It was full of erotic movies.
18:51Really?
18:53Was it Cinemarise?
18:55Cinemarise?
18:57Dogenzakan was full of erotic movies.
18:59I see.
19:01You went there
19:03when you were a student.
19:05Yes.
19:07Cinemarise was also
19:09interesting.
19:11I don't like
19:13to watch too many erotic movies.
19:15Me neither.
19:17I like to watch erotic movies
19:19occasionally.
19:21Yes, I agree.
19:23I want to watch erotic movies occasionally.
19:25But I prefer
19:27French movies.
19:29I see.
19:31What is your
19:33top 3 favorite movies?
19:35It's difficult.
19:39I like Red Balloon.
19:41I haven't watched it yet.
19:43It's very poetic
19:45and wonderful.
19:47It's just a story
19:49about a balloon
19:51and a child chasing it.
19:53I like it.
19:55I watched German movie
19:57called Love in the North Pole.
20:01That movie
20:03and you
20:05are similar.
20:07I see.
20:09I feel like I can't do anything.
20:11What?
20:13I feel like I can't do anything.
20:15But there are
20:17many things in common.
20:19I also like
20:21The Fall of Cairo.
20:23It makes me feel
20:25uneasy.
20:27I can't find the answer.
20:29Dad, watch the movies
20:31recommended by others.
20:33I think European movies
20:35are rich
20:37in the sense that
20:39they give 20% or 30%
20:41to the audience.
20:43People who like
20:45such discussions
20:47go to the cinema
20:49and go to a cafe
20:51and spend
20:534 or 5 hours
20:55with coffee.
20:57I think it's rich.
20:59Especially in France.
21:01It's fun to talk about
21:03various movies after the movie.
21:07I feel like
21:09I can't do anything.
21:11But there are many things
21:13in common.
21:15It makes me feel uneasy.
21:17But I think
21:19it's rich.
21:21I think it's rich.
21:23I think it's rich.
21:25I know it's rich.
21:27I think it's rich.
21:29I know it's rich.
21:31I think it's rich.
21:33I know it's rich.
21:35I don't think so.
21:38In Japan, the 20s are the main focus.
21:43When the 20s become the main focus,
21:46the role of the mother is in her 40s.
21:49In her 50s, she's already at her prime.
21:54Then there's the neighboring aunt.
21:56There's a lot of that.
22:01I don't think I get to see a lot of
22:05these kind of scary movies.
22:12Don't you like Madison's Bridge?
22:15Yes, I do.
22:17In Japan, there are a lot of movies about young people.
22:21I want to see adult movies,
22:23like the story of a middle schooler's dog.
22:26When I go to France,
22:28there are a lot of movies about that generation.
22:34When I see those movies up close,
22:36it really breaks my heart.
22:40My husband says he's looking for a script,
22:45a director,
22:47and writing it himself.
22:49He says he's at that stage.
22:53Recently, I started using Instagram.
22:58It seems really slow.
23:00Yeah, it's pretty slow.
23:02I heard your dad started it recently.
23:05I got really into it.
23:07Why?
23:09I've been making videos with my dog.
23:13There are a lot of great editing apps out there.
23:18I've been using this music from here to there.
23:22I thought it would be fun to cut it here and connect it here.
23:27I thought, no, I have to fix it again.
23:30It took me about six hours to make a video with my dog.
23:34Six hours of video with your dog is crazy.
23:37When my husband saw it,
23:40he said, I think I can direct Shinobu.
23:44It's in your heart, isn't it?
23:47Can you just say one thing?
23:50I want to make something like this.
23:52It's a story about a woman in a man's world who hides her gender.
23:58I think it would be really interesting if you did it.
24:02Why is it decided just by gender?
24:06The role.
24:08That's what I'm confused about.
24:12I see.
24:14You were born in a Kabuki house.
24:16Just by being born as a man and a woman,
24:19various circumstances change.
24:22What happens when that part is messed up?
24:27First of all, I think that's the theme I'm going to overcome.
24:34I want to see it.
24:38Relationship between dog and me
24:42This is hard to explain.
24:47It may or may not be special.
24:52I feel like I'm thinking that my dog may be someone else's reincarnation.
24:59That's why I don't care about it.
25:04That's why I don't care about it.
25:07Rather, I'm wondering what this guy is thinking.
25:12I think so, too.
25:16Therefore, I sometimes fight and sometimes I don't listen.
25:21Pets are said to be the worst at ignoring.
25:25I don't think it's a pet, so I can't help it.
25:28They ignore me, too.
25:32And in the end, either of us will break.
25:35Sometimes it's me, sometimes it's the dog.
25:39But at this moment, I feel like my heart has changed.
25:44I feel like I'm always thinking about what I want my dog to do when he's reborn.
25:52I guess it's weird.
26:03Roy, this is Kunitachi.
26:07You've been here before, haven't you?
26:10No, I haven't.
26:12I see. It's a nice place.
26:14It's relaxing.
26:16There are some best places in the city I want to live in.
26:20To be exact, it's a ranking of cities I want to live in.
26:24Well, today's guest is someone I know.
26:29I know.
26:30Shall I sing my favorite song?
26:32Have you ever heard of it?
26:39Let's call him.
26:41Hello.
26:42Hello.
26:43Nice to meet you.
26:44Hi, Rog.
26:45Hello, hello.
26:47Excuse me.
26:49Well...
26:50I'm Teke.
26:51Teke?
26:52Yes, Pomeranians.
26:53Hello.
26:54How are you?
26:55How old are you?
26:56I'm turning 10 this year.
26:57You're turning 10?
26:58Yes.
26:59You came to Kunitachi this time?
27:01The Hitotsubashi University in Kunitachi is my alma mater.
27:07I've been going there for 4 years.
27:10I think it's a perfect place for a walk.
27:13You're right.
27:14Yes.
27:15It's a really nice place.
27:20What's your personality like?
27:22Well, I don't get along with people.
27:25I'm okay with people, but I get along with dogs.
27:28I wonder if I can get along with Roi.
27:30You're a dog lover.
27:31I think I'll be okay.
27:33I think I'll be okay.
27:34Wait a minute.
27:36I'm a dog lover, too.
27:38I don't want him to come all of a sudden.
27:44Our second guest today is
27:46the creature expert, Mr. Yoshiki Mizuno and his dog, Teke.
27:51After their major debut in 2006,
27:54they have released countless hit songs around the world.
27:58In 2021, they became the second generation of vocalists Kiyoe Yoshioka and Mizuno.
28:04Last year, they celebrated their 25th anniversary.
28:09Mizuno, the main songwriter of the creature expert, is also a dog lover.
28:14Teke, the Pomeranian, is named after the way Teke walks.
28:19He seems to be healed every day.
28:25By the way, I met Matsutoya in 2009.
28:30In this song, Matsutoya is in charge of the sound producer.
28:35Dad, you're working hard.
28:39When I first met Mizuno,
28:43were you a child?
28:46No, I don't think I was married at that time.
28:49The first time I met him was in 2009 in Yale.
28:55I was in my mid-20s, and I didn't have a family.
29:00I see.
29:02Is that walk Mizuno's job?
29:05I go there a lot.
29:09Have you decided on a course?
29:11There are about three.
29:13I change it every day.
29:15When I go somewhere I don't know, I'm happy.
29:19I want to go there first.
29:22Hey, hey.
29:25I feel like Roy is walking while being scolded.
29:28Are you okay? Are you scared?
29:30I didn't do anything.
29:32Is it okay to have a dog in the school?
29:36Today is a special day, so I was allowed to have a dog.
29:40Really?
29:41I see.
29:43It's so beautiful.
29:45This is the Kanematsu High School.
29:47This is where the entrance ceremony and graduation ceremony are held.
29:52Where did you go to school at that time?
29:56I went to school in Ebina, Kanagawa.
29:59I see.
30:00You performed in Ebina.
30:02Yes.
30:03Ebina, Atsugi, and around there.
30:06I skipped class and came here often.
30:10Because I feel good.
30:12I didn't have this kind of place in my school.
30:15How did you feel when you were a student?
30:18I didn't go to school much.
30:21Did you already have a performance teacher?
30:24I had been doing it for a year.
30:28I had a best friend.
30:30When I went on a tour,
30:34he told me to sit next to him because I had an exam tomorrow.
30:39He followed me a lot.
30:42I can't ask you to sit next to me.
30:45I can't.
30:46He is a big fan of you.
30:48I think I was the only one who knew I was doing music in college.
30:55Me too.
30:56Really?
30:57So I took classes normally.
30:59After 3 or 4 years, I joined a record company training agency.
31:05I was a member of a pre-production studio.
31:09Where was it?
31:11It was in the back of Shibuya.
31:14I couldn't make a debut song.
31:18I spent the morning in a studio in Shibuya.
31:20Then I came here.
31:22That's amazing.
31:23I didn't expect to take a walk with you after 20 years.
31:27I didn't expect to take a walk in the school building with a dog.
31:31Me neither.
31:35I didn't expect to take a walk in the school building with a dog.
31:40Sakura, a debut song made in the days of Tetsuya and Tsugaku.
31:46He made it by looking at the cherry blossoms blooming on this university street.
31:52By the way, this is a video from January.
31:55I'm sorry it hasn't bloomed at all.
31:59How did you meet this girl?
32:02I met her at a pet shop.
32:05She let me hug her.
32:08As soon as I hugged her, the BGM of the store was playing.
32:15Our song, Egao, was playing.
32:18Our song was playing.
32:20I thought it was fate.
32:22I asked her to come here.
32:24Did you pretend to be Yusen?
32:26Maybe I did.
32:30What's your relationship with the dog?
32:34Well, I work at home.
32:37She's the one who wakes me up until the end of the night.
32:41She's sleeping, but she wakes me up.
32:46It's comforting.
32:48It's the same for every family.
32:51I had a fight with her yesterday.
32:53Really?
32:54I haven't heard from her for half a day.
32:57What kind of fight?
32:58My dad didn't give me any bread.
33:00I was the only one who was looking forward to it.
33:02It was a serious fight.
33:05What a stingy dad.
33:14The origin of the name Pomeranian
33:17is the Pomeranian region across the border between Germany and Poland.
33:23The Pomeranian was a descendant of Spitz, a Samoan who lived in northern Gokkan,
33:29and was small-sized after a variety of improvements in the Pomeranian region.
33:35The current popular Pomeranian is the Queen Victoria of England,
33:39known as the representative dog.
33:44She loved Pomeranians in particular,
33:47and the dog show made her very popular.
33:52As a result, Pomeranians became smaller and smaller all over the country.
33:57The size of the Pomeranian is now half the size of the Queen Victoria.
34:05In a dog show in Manchester in 1907,
34:09500 Pomeranians were on the show.
34:14By the way, the most famous Pomeranian in the world is Jif Pom,
34:19a super-influencer with 9 million followers on Instagram.
34:26The passion of the Queen Victoria is still connected to the love of all dogs.
34:44Mr. Mizuno and my father, Toya Matsu,
34:48went to Kanematsu High Street.
34:51We wanted to join the romantic style of architecture.
34:56It can't be helped. Let's get along outside.
35:01Is the dog show still going on?
35:04From my point of view, it's just calm.
35:09I'd say it's short-lived.
35:12Really? You don't show it, do you?
35:15I don't yell or get in a bad mood,
35:19but I may be silent all of a sudden.
35:23You're a scary type.
35:25That's right. I don't bother the people in front of me.
35:28Mr. Matsu, what do you think?
35:30Mr. Matsu, whom we meet at the recording studio,
35:33is always calm.
35:35This tension doesn't change.
35:38When we ate together at ALE,
35:41he asked me what I'd like to order.
35:44He asked you what you'd like to order?
35:46He asked me what I'd like to order.
35:48There was a curry shop that I liked at the time.
35:51He asked me to eat curry.
35:54Where?
35:55Nogizaka.
35:56Nogizaka? Curry shop?
35:58Curry shop.
35:59Saxon?
36:00I don't remember the name.
36:03He chose the menu.
36:05He told me to eat at home.
36:08That's terrible.
36:10You're really like that.
36:12What would happen if we ate together?
36:15How do you feel now?
36:17What's the difference between when we first met at ALE and now?
36:21At ALE, I couldn't see anything.
36:24I had to do my best in front of me.
36:28I could only see one song at a time.
36:34You were a soloist, right?
36:35I was a soloist.
36:36What was life like at the time?
36:38I thought I'd be able to make it if I stayed up a few nights.
36:42I was able to do everything.
36:45But now I can't stay up all night.
36:48I'm getting better at both good and bad things.
36:50I have a hard time deciding whether it's good or bad.
36:57The way you made music was different, right?
36:59It was different.
37:01How did you make it at the time?
37:03I used to play the acoustic guitar and sing.
37:08But now I don't have an acoustic guitar.
37:12I make music with a keyboard.
37:18What do you think about that?
37:21When I first started, there was no computer.
37:28So we all had sessions.
37:31The musician had a certain mood at the time.
37:36I was swayed by it.
37:39I couldn't do what I wanted, but I thought it was interesting.
37:44In a sense, I was compromising.
37:46I didn't like that compromise.
37:48When I could do what I wanted on the computer,
37:52I could make my own world.
37:55I wonder if it's good to make music with my own blood.
38:02That's what I think.
38:04What do you think, Mizuno?
38:06I think I want to put other people's ideas into my music.
38:15So I've been writing songs with other people's ideas.
38:21I'm trying to change the structure of my songwriting.
38:29For example, if I arrange your work,
38:36it won't turn out the way you want, right?
38:39No, it won't.
38:41You don't like it?
38:43No, I don't.
38:45Really?
38:46No, I don't.
38:48I'm sure it will.
38:50You don't want others to do what you want, right?
38:53I have a strong desire to be away from myself.
38:58I can't do it because I don't have the skills,
39:01but if I could do it all by myself,
39:03I wonder what it would be like.
39:07Based on that, other people's perspectives come in,
39:11and I can finally open up.
39:13It feels like it's becoming three-dimensional.
39:17I want to open up as much as possible.
39:20But I'm sure there are people who don't fit in with Oshado.
39:24Of course, there are times when the moment of difference comes.
39:28What do you do in those times?
39:31It's difficult, isn't it?
39:33Sometimes I don't tell them.
39:35Sometimes I leave it to them.
39:37And you let them finish it as it is?
39:39Sometimes.
39:42But people who make music
39:46have a world of their own.
39:54No matter what you leave to others,
39:57it will never happen.
39:59And you don't fit in.
40:02You're looking for something that doesn't fit,
40:05but you're irritated by something that doesn't fit.
40:10You're contradicting yourself.
40:13You want to go beyond your imagination,
40:16but you're irritated by the fact that the direction is different.
40:20You and I are both complicated people.
40:26What kind of sound do you want to make now?
40:32I want to make something simple now.
40:38I want to make a simple counter melody
40:42that overlaps with the melody.
40:45I want to make it feel like
40:48all the other elements are too slow.
40:55Isn't it like that now?
40:58I don't feel like I'm getting there at all.
41:03I think it's difficult.
41:05I feel like I'm talking too much.
41:08The melody.
41:10It's too much.
41:12I feel like I don't need this phrase or that phrase.
41:16I fill it up with the melody.
41:18I understand.
41:20I'm really bad at movie music.
41:24I want to make movie music,
41:27but when I make movie music, I usually fail.
41:30How so?
41:31It's too much.
41:34I think it's the same as what Mizuno-kun just said.
41:39I can't create a space.
41:45If I create a space and throw something,
41:50the audience will feel like they're watching a movie.
41:56I want to create a world on my own.
42:02That's what I need, but I can't do it.
42:06There's a sad play there,
42:09but the music says,
42:11this is a sad scene.
42:13I really don't like that.
42:15I understand.
42:16There's a sad play there,
42:18so I don't need that explanation.
42:20It looks like they're having fun,
42:23but the distance between us doesn't shrink.
42:26It's awkward, but I can't help it.
42:29Mizuno-kun, do you ever feel awkward with Kiyoya-chan?
42:35I think there are a lot of times.
42:37For 20 years.
42:40When do you feel awkward?
42:46When I talk about work.
42:49When I make a song and tell people what it's like,
42:53I feel nervous.
42:55Like, don't complain.
42:57I don't say that.
42:59I don't say it at all.
43:01But I feel the pressure in front of her.
43:05It's awkward. I feel nervous.
43:08When Yoshioka goes to a concert,
43:14he's like an athlete.
43:16He's the type to decide how many minutes to be flexible and how many minutes to speak.
43:22I don't say,
43:24but I know how responsible I am when I sing.
43:28I can tell by the pressure.
43:30That's the same for me.
43:32But that's what makes me nervous.
43:35I think I'm amazing as a singer,
43:38so I get nervous.
43:42Do you forget about awkwardness?
43:48I think I've always had it.
43:50It's been like that since we were formed.
43:53We've been together since we were in high school, when we didn't know anything.
43:58It's like a big fight between high school students.
44:02I've always been on the extension line.
44:05I see. You're used to it.
44:07I think I'm used to it.
44:09At that time, I was like,
44:11You should practice more.
44:14Can you say that phrase now?
44:17You should practice more.
44:20Then the manager will get nervous.
44:24But I think you're saying the same thing.
44:27Yes.
44:29Both of you.
44:33Here, I'm going to draw the face of the guest I invited today.
44:39Wow, it's so luxurious.
44:42Can you look this way?
44:50I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
44:54It's similar.
44:56This is the Hebido Shimafu that Mizuno-kun gave me.
44:59It's Hebido Shimafu.
45:01We look good together.
45:06It's difficult.
45:12I want to take this scene.
45:15I want to take this scene.
45:17Isn't it amazing that Matsutoya-san is drawing me?
45:23Roy-kun, how was it today?
45:27I'm worried if I did well with the guest dogs.
45:31I'm hungry.
45:33What should I eat today?
45:35I want to eat beef stroganoff.
45:39What about you?
45:41I want to eat natto that Terajima-san and Noah-kun eat.
45:46Then let's go home.
45:48Are you sure?
45:49Let's go.
45:50You really didn't listen to me.
45:53I won't give you beef stroganoff.
45:56I don't need beef stroganoff, so give me natto.
45:58Then let's go.
46:00What if I put natto on beef stroganoff?
46:04Because humans want to put natto in everything.
46:06Miso soup or curry.
46:08I think it goes well with beef stroganoff.
46:13You didn't listen to me again.
46:15Yumi-sama, please give me natto today.