The Supreme Court has severely criticised YouTuber Ranveer Allahbadia for vulgar remarks made on a comedy show.
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00:39from Arrest Who has taken this joke too far?
00:50So what kind of trouble is Ranveer Alabadia in for that joke that he made on Samay Rehna's
00:57show and why is that today's big lead story?
01:01I will tell you, I will explain it, I will justify it here on 5 Live.
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02:34As the Supreme Court takes a very dark view on podcaster Ranveer Alabadia for a joke that
02:42he cracked on YouTuber Samay Rehna's show.
02:46Friends today we must ask ourselves, what does it say about India's legal priorities
02:52when the police forces in Maharashtra, Assam and Rajasthan are hunting down a content creator
03:00as though he were a fugitive of the highest order.
03:03What does it say about the state of our judiciary when the Supreme Court burdened with over
03:075 crore pending cases including 83,000 of its own, finds the time to take offence at
03:14a filthy joke on an online comedy show.
03:18Let me be clear, this is not about endorsing tasteless humour, Ranveer Alabadia's remarks
03:24made on Samay Rehna's show India's Got Latent, a show known for its shock and cringe comedy
03:30laced with disgusting expletives, were not to anyone's liking, they were crude, they
03:35were inappropriate and they were in many ways offensive.
03:39But should bad comedy, however distasteful, become a matter of national policing?
03:45Should it justify a multi-state police pursuit that treats a podcaster like a hardened criminal
03:52or is there something more at play here?
03:55I am genuinely asking, it's not a loaded question.
03:59It is hard to ignore the disturbing pattern of selective outrage and selective law enforcement.
04:05This is not the first time Samay Rehna's show has featured humour that pushes boundaries
04:09of so-called decency.
04:12So why out of all the content that has already aired, has this particular clip of Ranveer
04:18making a horrible, disgusting joke triggered the highest levels of legal scrutiny in the
04:24country?
04:25The machinery of the state does not simply lurch into motion without reason.
04:30Of course, one can explain it away given Ranveer Allahabadia's enormous reach and popularity
04:36as also Samay Rehna's, they are some of the most watched content creators in the country.
04:41But they are hardly the only Indian influencers or comics using obscene language or saying
04:47shocking things in order to stir up their audiences.
04:51It seems to many that this incident is being used as a pretext, a convenient test case
04:56to set a precedent for something far bigger, perhaps an attempt to normalise state intervention
05:02in online content to ease the way for broader censorship, whether on YouTube or on OTT.
05:09And how do you sell censorship to the public?
05:12By choosing a case that nobody instinctively wants to defend.
05:16By targeting a piece of content that is so crude, so distasteful, that no one will stand
05:22up for its right to exist.
05:25The tactic is simple.
05:26First come for the voices that few will miss.
05:29Then once the precedent is set, it becomes easier to extend these powers to more voices,
05:35to all voices that inconvenience those in power.
05:39YouTube is filled with obscene jokes, profanity-laced rants, and even violent speech.
05:45In English, in Indian languages, in Bhojpuri, in Hindi, in Tamil, in Kannada, no matter
05:50what, there's a whole ocean of obscene content out there that nobody seems to have a problem
05:56with.
05:57Content that should shock the conscience of any viewer is easily accessible, often garnering
06:03millions of views without any quote-unquote consequence.
06:08And yet, amidst this vast ocean of offensive material, a relatively puerile joke has somehow
06:14managed to trigger the full might of the state.
06:18The sudden and disproportionate reaction demands scrutiny.
06:21Why now?
06:23And why this?
06:24If the concern is truly obscenity, then where has this moral outrage been hiding?
06:31Why does enforcement appear so selective, so targeted?
06:35The reality is obscenity is not the real issue here.
06:40I think the real issue here is control.
06:43This case is not about protecting public decency alone.
06:46It is about paving the way, perhaps, for state intervention in digital spaces.
06:51It is about setting a precedent that makes censorship more palatable by choosing a test
06:56case that is easy to vilify.
06:59This is not about one joke.
07:01This is about the broader principle of freedom of expression.
07:05It is about whether we as a nation believe in upholding that freedom, even when it comes
07:09to protecting speech we personally dislike.
07:13The Supreme Court, which should be a guardian of rights, must ask itself whether it wishes
07:17to be regarded as a defender of constitutional values or as an enabler of state censorship.
07:25Law enforcement must refocus its priorities on genuine threats to public safety and justice
07:31rather than expending its energy on policing of online comedy.
07:35The judiciary must prioritize the millions of cases waiting for justice rather than acting
07:40as an arbiter of taste on YouTube.
07:43And we the people, we the people viewer, must remain vigilant against the steady creeping
07:48in of censorship, however it is packaged, however it is sold.
07:54Some self-righteous members of parliament have embarked on a crusade, using priceless
07:58parliamentary standing committee time to discuss and scrutinize a filthy joke.
08:03I could fill a book with the things our parliamentary time should rather be spent on.
08:08But who am I?
08:09I honestly don't think this is about Ranveer Alabadia.
08:12I must confess I have never even seen his podcast, so I'm probably a small minority.
08:19I also think his joke betrays the juvenile desperation of a wannabe whose singular motivator
08:25is attention and reach at any cost.
08:28I'm even willing to say that as a democracy people have a right to be offended and raise
08:32the issue in court if they must.
08:35But I'm wondering viewer, don't our state authorities have more pressing issues to attend
08:39to?
08:40No matter what you think of beer biceps or anybody around him and his BS, just think
08:46about this for a moment.
08:49Pervert mindset, obscene remarks, dirt in mind, shameful, shaming parents.
09:03This is how the top court pulled up YouTuber Ranveer Alabadia.
09:09The Supreme Court severely criticized Alabadia for making vulgar remarks on Samer Rehna's
09:15India's Got Latent show, saying such obscenities should be condemned.
09:20The apex court said that the podcaster had perversion and dirt in mind which he puked
09:25on the show.
09:27Tearing into Alabadia, the Supreme Court said, parents everywhere would be ashamed by such
09:33crass comments.
09:54And in a major blow, the Supreme Court also put a pause on his podcast show Beer Biceps
09:59until further notice.
10:03After scathing remarks, the top court did offer him some relief after it said no to
10:08new police cases could be filed against him on this matter.
10:13Police in Maharashtra, Rajasthan and Assam were also barred from arresting beer biceps.
10:19Maharashtra Chief Minister Devendra Fadnavis vowed to take action if anyone crossed the
10:24limit in vulgarity.
10:32Will top court crack down mean trouble for youtubers delving into dark comedy?
10:52With Nalini Sharma in New Delhi, Bureau Report, India Today.
10:58I want to bring in India Today's court's correspondent Srishti Oja to break down for
11:04us, you know, beyond the scathing words that the Supreme Court had about the joke and what
11:10Ranbir Alabadia has done, Srishti.
11:12You know, what exactly has he gotten from the court?
11:15He cannot make any more videos, but he is protected from arrest for the moment.
11:19Can you just explain that for us?
11:21Well, definitely, Shiv, as you pointed out, he had to face sharp criticism from the Supreme
11:31Court today over his remarks on the show India's Got Latent.
11:34The court said that his behavior was condemnable.
11:37The statements that he made actually show his perverse mind.
11:41There's dirt in his mind and also that he's made the entire society feel ashamed due to
11:47his statements.
11:48Now, despite this reprimand, he did manage to get a huge relief from the Supreme Court
11:53because we know multiple FIRs have already been filed against Ranbir Alabadia in three
11:59different states.
12:00Now, the court today has clearly stayed his arrest on any of the FIRs that have already
12:05been filed against him.
12:06Not just that, the court went a step ahead and also said that no new FIRs can now be
12:11filed against him on the same set of allegations in relation to the India's Got Latent show.
12:18Now, of course, the relief has come in with a certain set of restrictions and conditions
12:23that he'll have to follow.
12:24He will have to cooperate with the investigation and join the probe as and when he's called.
12:30He'll have to surrender his passport and also he cannot leave the country without prior
12:35permission from the court.
12:36Considering his lawyer also pointed that he's receiving several death threats, the court
12:41has also granted him liberty that he can approach the local authorities, the local
12:47police authorities and seek protection in case any further threats are made to him.
12:52We saw during the hearing on one hand, initially when the court was coming down heavily on
12:57him, the court even went to the extent to question why should the court hear somebody
13:02of a person of this kind.
13:04But eventually the court did end up granting him relief that he wanted.
13:08So in the end, the remarks that came in from the court aside, Ranveer Allahbadia did manage
13:13to get in the relief that he'd actually approached Supreme Court hoping for.
13:17Back to you.
13:18Okay.
13:19But very, very adverse comments from the court that seemed to clear the decks for some kind
13:25of regulations, perhaps even censorship of YouTube.
13:28Some of the comments made by the Supreme Court suggests that this could be the beginnings
13:34of that.
13:35The Supreme Court literally said it would be happy to see the government stepping in
13:40and issuing some regulations.
13:43And we'll put out those exact quotes in just a moment.
13:45Srishti, thank you very much for that update.
13:47I want to bring in the experts to see what they think about what happened in Supreme
13:51Court today and the case in general.
13:53Jai Anand Dehadrai is a criminal lawyer with the Supreme Court.
13:56Shehzad Khan is an actor.
13:58Welcome to you both.
13:59Jai, I'll kick it off with you.
14:01I have seen some comments that you made, Jai, on social media where you did seem to think
14:06that the actions being...
14:09I'll come to the Supreme Court in a moment.
14:10But the actions being taken against Ranveer Allahbadia, different cop teams searching
14:17for him from different states, seemed to be disproportionate.
14:21What do you think about the case so far?
14:24Hi, Shiv.
14:25And thank you for having me on your show.
14:27Good to have you.
14:28I agree with you, largely agree with you.
14:31And, you know, this needs to stop somewhere now.
14:34And I quite agree with what the Supreme Court has done today.
14:37I think it has balanced the issue.
14:39It has brought some quietness in terms of all of this outrage that was sort of, you
14:43know, some of it real, perhaps some of it not so real.
14:47And, you know, FIRs from three different states.
14:49So the Supreme Court had to get involved.
14:51And I also would like to say this, that I think Justice Suryakant, who spoke for the
14:55bench, I think he took a very balanced approach.
14:57And most of us share the outrage that the bench has expressed.
15:00These remarks were depraved.
15:02They were disgusting.
15:03But then I come back to, you know, the nuance of what you said as well, Shiv.
15:06You know, you said that, look, this can be vulgar.
15:09But honestly, as a criminal lawyer, if you ask me, this really hasn't, this doesn't
15:13cross into, you know, cross lines and enter into the field of being obscene in terms of
15:17sections 294 and 296 of the BNS, which is where the law is defined.
15:22So if it isn't, then, you know, then, I mean, I wonder, you know, whether these
15:26FIRs will sustain.
15:29My sense is that the Supreme Court will reprimand him rightly.
15:32And, you know, these remarks, I mean, this is really wild, lowbrow, disgusting
15:36humorship.
15:37But at the same time, you know, free speech has to be protected.
15:40Yes, there are limits in terms of our constitution, in terms of Article 19 too.
15:44So within that, we'll have to find some answers.
15:47But certainly, you know, I mean, sending different cop teams from different states,
15:51you know, he's getting death threats.
15:52I mean, this needs to stop somewhere.
15:54I mean, he's put in an apology.
15:56He can be boycotted by, you know, everybody.
15:58And I think even in terms of this aspect on regulation, if I may just add one more
16:02thing, Shiv.
16:03Yes, I wanted to ask you about that as well.
16:05Yes, you know, I'm against regulation and censorship, you know, I mean, largely.
16:09But maybe the court felt in its mind, in its wisdom, that some X-rated content on,
16:15say, platforms like YouTube, perhaps there could be some kind of a barrier that could
16:20be set up where you can filter out younger people and, you know, impressionable minds.
16:24And then, you know, you can create some safeguards there.
16:26So as long as there is self-regulation, as long as it is reasonable, I think it should
16:30satisfy our test of free speech and Article 19, Shiv.
16:34Okay, I'm going to come back to that regulation bit in just a moment, Jay.
16:38I just wanted to read out for our viewers, you know, verbatim what the Supreme Court
16:42said as far as those things are concerned.
16:44On our screen, you can see the scathing observations that the Supreme Court made,
16:48you know, saying dirty, reprehensible, etc.
16:50But on the regulation issue, which, you know, which could have more far-reaching consequences,
16:55here's what the Supreme Court said.
16:57Need to regulate obscene content online.
17:00Would be very happy if government does something on its own, says the Supreme Court.
17:05YouTubers misusing lack of regulation.
17:09Before I go to Shehzad, Jay, I want to quickly bring you back in on that,
17:12on this particular point where the Supreme Court says,
17:15Would be very happy if government does something on its own.
17:19You know, I don't want to, I don't want to second guess what the Supreme Court has said.
17:23But they've said, profess this by saying, need to regulate obscene content online.
17:28That appears to me like, you know, clearing the decks for some kind of state intervention.
17:34Shiv, you're absolutely right.
17:36And, you know, but here's the thing.
17:37You know, I was looking at the media ethic rules that exist currently,
17:41which are pertinent to the IT Act.
17:43They are wholly inadequate.
17:45You know, there aren't really any teeth to it.
17:47And the only sort of penal consequence flows from Section 67 of the IT Act,
17:52in which you can hold certain intermediaries responsible.
17:55So, you know, let's put it this way.
17:57You know, perhaps let's say, you know, you say something that is highly, highly obscene or objectionable,
18:02or somebody else on mainstream television says something very objectionable.
18:05You know, you would be held to account.
18:07There would be some degree of, you know, consequences that would flow.
18:10And, you know, the proprietors of your, you know, of the media house that you belong to,
18:15they would face some consequences.
18:17So perhaps the thought is that even intermediaries such as YouTube or Instagram
18:21that hosts some of this content should face some responsibility, some accountability.
18:27And, you know, somewhere, I mean, I agree with you.
18:29You know, perhaps in more mature democracies, perhaps, you know, this sort of humor,
18:36you know, one could apply that test that if you don't like it, don't watch it.
18:39You know, that's what one personally would feel.
18:41But I wonder a little bit whether, you know, that would really work in India as of now.
18:47And perhaps we do need some degree of regulation.
18:49But may I just say one last thing?
18:51Yes.
18:52I think, Shiv, that nudge has come from the Supreme Court.
18:54But ultimately, it is for Parliament to decide.
18:57Parliament should legislate.
18:58And if it falls foul of what our constitutional protections are,
19:01then, you know, some right-thinking person will come and challenge it.
19:04And the Supreme Court, I have every, I have enormous faith in our judiciary,
19:08will strike it down if it falls foul of, if it is ultraviolet, the constitution.
19:12So we have to, we have to wait and watch now as to what happens.
19:15I agree with you.
19:17I think we must all have faith in the process and in judiciary.
19:21And hopefully, you know, this will lead to, you know, whatever it leads to,
19:26it has to go through the process.
19:28There must be constitutional protections for whatever decisions are taken.
19:32But, Shehzad Khan, if I could come to you, you know, what do you think?
19:35This has been going on for the last few days,
19:38and it only appears to be escalating, you know.
19:41State authorities, the police, looking for Ranbir Allahbadia,
19:45saying that he's not responding, this escalation to the Supreme Court.
19:50What do you think is going on here?
19:52Do you think this is a, you know, a target,
19:55that Ranbir Allahbadia is being made a target?
19:58Or is there something bigger at play here?
20:00What do you think?
20:02Thank you very much for having me on your show.
20:05Thank you for coming, Shehzad.
20:07Definitely, Ranbir is the page, you can say,
20:11the grand ambassador for the other targets,
20:16who are going to be targeted very soon,
20:19and who, if the government thinks, should be targeted.
20:23And I think that these kind of things should stop.
20:27I totally do not like such kind,
20:30especially for Ranbir Allahbadia,
20:32I used to, I follow him, I used to see his podcast.
20:36Yes, such a nice boy, such nice people used to come,
20:40monks used to come to his podcast,
20:42and big, big union ministers have come to his podcast.
20:46And a sensible guy like him, you know, suddenly talking such kind of,
20:51see, there are introverts, there are extroverts, and there are perverts.
20:55On that show, India Got Latent,
20:58it clearly showed that he's a pervert.
21:01Now, what I feel, according to me,
21:10but this guy needs some kind of psychotherapy,
21:14he needs to go to a psychiatrist,
21:16he needs to understand,
21:18some kind of thing should be done, like in the US they have,
21:22and some community service should be done.
21:24But Shehzad, if I could interrupt you for just a moment,
21:27you know, on the internet, and in the world of influencers,
21:31people are doing all kinds of crazy, shocking things in order to gain attention,
21:36to gain reach, to gain audiences.
21:38What's new in this?
21:40Why would he need psychotherapy?
21:42I'm just coming to you, Jai, let him finish.
21:47Just two minutes, Jai.
21:49See, Ranbir Allahbadia's image,
21:52the image that Ranbir Allahbadia portrays,
21:55has been portraying for such a long time.
21:57It's a very soft, good, you know, good boy kind of an image.
22:02Suddenly a good boy turning into a villain, or a bad boy.
22:06It has hurt people.
22:08What I feel, after talking to a lot of friends of mine,
22:13and people around me,
22:15they said that we are very hurt.
22:17It is, okay, what he has spoken, that is absolutely fair.
22:21Sir, if you hurt people,
22:23if you hurt people over a bad joke,
22:25does that mean three state police will go after you?
22:28Exactly.
22:29I mean, we have to speak in proportion.
22:31I don't know about the law much,
22:34who has been targeting him and what.
22:38But yes, one more thing I would like to say,
22:41since we are talking about the police and all these things.
22:44A couple of years ago, not very far back,
22:48I think one or two years ago,
22:50there was a lady called Nupur Sharma.
22:52She also made some, you know, very bad comments on a debate.
22:55And then she was also targeted.
22:57And she was also getting hate speech, threats and all that.
23:00And then she did the same thing.
23:02She went to the Supreme Court,
23:03she got interim relief and all those,
23:05the same way as this Ranveer Allavadia did.
23:10So since she was also supporting the same party,
23:13he also comes in support of the same party.
23:16So there's quite a resemblance in these two cases.
23:19But leaving these things aside,
23:22I don't want to get into the complexities
23:24and the differences of the two,
23:25because only for lack of time.
23:27But Jai, you wanted to come in,
23:28you wanted to respond to Shehzad?
23:30You know, I very respectfully disagree with Khan Saab.
23:34I don't agree with his characterization of Ranveer
23:37or anybody else as a pervert.
23:39I think you have to look at the context
23:41of where he was speaking.
23:42And merely because some of us think he's a chocolate boy,
23:45a good boy, a sweet boy,
23:46doesn't mean that he can't go on a comedy show
23:48and test the limits of what is acceptable
23:50and not acceptable.
23:51Now, of course, people,
23:52certain people have taken great offense
23:55and umbrage to what he has said.
23:56Now that will be tested judicially.
23:58There is a legal system that will test
24:00whether this satisfies the ingredients
24:02of sections 294 or 296 or section,
24:04you know, 67 of the ITI.
24:06So I don't think we should,
24:07there's no space, I think, for moral policing.
24:09With great respect to Khan Saab, he's a veteran.
24:11I would, I'm not, I mean, you know,
24:13I mean, he has his view,
24:14but in terms of, you can't start prosecuting,
24:17you can't launch criminal prosecution
24:19at the drop of a hat.
24:20And certainly, you know, he should be,
24:22if you really ask me,
24:23this boy Ranveer should be getting police protection,
24:26quite honestly.
24:27He's made disgusting remarks, there's no doubt.
24:28But is that, can that be an excuse for lynching him?
24:31For sending, you know,
24:33for allowing people to make death threats
24:35against him and his family?
24:36I'm told somebody stormed his mother's clinic
24:38and threatened his mother.
24:39Now, come on, we have to, I mean, you know,
24:41I may not like what he's saying,
24:43but I still have to protect his right to say it
24:44and the courts will decide.
24:46You know, let's allow the courts to decide.
24:48We don't have mob justice in this country.
24:50There's a constitution.
24:51And if the government feels that this sort of speech
24:54should be regulated,
24:55the government is well within its rights
24:57to go to parliament and bring a, you know,
24:59bring a legislation and legislate.
25:01And if that legislation falls foul, Shiv,
25:03then it can again be tested, you know,
25:05in terms of the constitution.
25:06No, no, that's right.
25:07If it falls foul of free speech.
25:08There's also the issue of selectivity
25:10and I'll bring Shehzad in on that.
25:12May I just say one more thing?
25:13May I just say, I'm so sorry,
25:15I'm interrupting you, Shiv.
25:16I don't want to interrupt you.
25:17You know, this remark about Nupur,
25:19I have not liked it personally,
25:20what Mr. Khan has said.
25:22To compare what Nupur said,
25:24I think Nupur is, you know, she,
25:26she's a victim and, you know,
25:28she said something and, you know,
25:30the poor thing today,
25:31she requires police protection,
25:33you know, to a degree that one cannot imagine
25:35her movement is restricted.
25:37So to say that, you know,
25:38she said something just like this Ranveer,
25:40I'm sorry, they're not,
25:41it's not the same thing.
25:42It is, it is not on this country.
25:44It is a blot on this country
25:46that we're unable to protect somebody like Nupur
25:48just because she read out from a religious scripture.
25:50She, she should be, if you ask me,
25:52she should be given an award for speaking out,
25:54you know, for saying what she did,
25:56for having the courage for saying what she did.
25:58And, you know, and for you to say today
26:00that she should be hounded,
26:01that she said something terrible.
26:02I did not say she should be hounded.
26:04I said about the protection, but I'm sorry,
26:07I did not say she should be hounded.
26:09I did not say she should be hounded.
26:12Let's bring it back to Ranveer Bhatt.
26:14During the time of Munawar Farooqui,
26:16Munawar Farooqui was not given time.
26:18He was immediately put behind bars
26:20when he said something.
26:22He's also a YouTuber.
26:24Let's, let's bring it, let's bring it.
26:26I don't want to, I don't want to,
26:28I don't want to shift the world's post,
26:30but I don't think it's fair to bring Nupur here at all.
26:32I don't think that's right.
26:33I was just saying that the same system
26:35was seen before in Nupur Sharma's case.
26:38Okay. Okay. Let's, let's, let's,
26:40you've both had your say on the Nupur.
26:44Let's, let's, no, no.
26:45I don't want to, I don't want to make this about Nupur.
26:47You've both, you know, had a go on that particular issue,
26:50but I want to bring it back to Ranveer.
26:52So I'll put the next question.
26:53Shehzad, there is also the issue of selectivity.
26:56And, you know, we've touched upon that as well.
26:58There are those who will say,
27:00YouTube is full of obscenity.
27:03There are stand-up comics who are saying,
27:05vile, horrible, you know, shocking,
27:07cringe-worthy, obscene,
27:09whatever you want to call it, things,
27:11you know, all the time.
27:12And it's there on YouTube,
27:14whether it is in English,
27:16whether it is in Bhojpuri,
27:17whether it is in Telugu,
27:19whatever it is, that's there also.
27:21So many people will say that this is selective.
27:23This targeting of Ranveer is because he's big,
27:26because he's very popular.
27:27He's got enormous reach.
27:28He's the country's biggest podcaster.
27:30Therefore, it is convenient to go after him.
27:35What do you think, Shehzad?
27:37See, there should be norms.
27:39There should be censorship.
27:41There should be censorship on YouTube
27:43and government should make the norms.
27:44I remember there was a web series
27:47which had come by the name of Tandav.
27:49So much of a halibut was made on that.
27:51There are so many things,
27:53people are making halibut about it.
27:56So there should be norms.
27:58There should be severe censorship,
28:00especially on YouTube.
28:01Our films, look at the way our films get censored.
28:04Our teasers,
28:05when our teasers of our films go for censorship,
28:08they tell us two days and they take 10 days
28:10to get the teasers censored.
28:12The same way YouTube,
28:14either the YouTube censor it,
28:17if the YouTube is not doing it,
28:19then there should be censorship from the government.
28:21It should be done in a more systematic way.
28:25Just anybody takes a camera, starts shooting,
28:27starts talking nonsense, starts abusing,
28:29starts running down our politicians,
28:33starts talking shit about our women.
28:35That's all should stop.
28:37I'm saying all these things should stop.
28:39What impression is it giving it globally?
28:43Our country's impression,
28:45YouTube is global.
28:47You've made a lot of points on that.
28:49So you're saying that there should be regulation
28:52and there should be censorship.
28:54I'll give the last word to Jai.
28:56Thank you, Shiv.
28:58This is such specious logic.
29:00I'm sorry, I disagree.
29:01Again, very respectfully, Khan Sahib,
29:03I completely disagree.
29:04There is a difference between censorship and regulation.
29:07Yes, some norms are required
29:09where you can require these intermediaries
29:11to regulate themselves.
29:12If something truly offensive or obscene comes out,
29:14if something like pornography comes out
29:16or something that is really depraved
29:18comes on these platforms.
29:19But simply to say that because our film industry
29:22has trouble with censorship
29:24and takes 10 days to get a censor certificate,
29:26therefore everybody else must also suffer the same fate.
29:30I'm not saying suffer.
29:31That is extremely regressive thinking.
29:34I think it's very unfortunate
29:35that someone who comes from a creative field like you
29:38wants to restrict creative thought.
29:40You should in fact be at the front line
29:42saying that no, there shouldn't be any censorship.
29:44How can we allow people to say anything?
29:47Well, those are opinions.
29:48And if somebody has an opinion,
29:50one moment,
29:51and if somebody has an opinion about a certain thing,
29:53you need to have that.
29:54How can you have thought crime?
29:55You are basically advocating thought crime.
29:58I did not say Sharia law.
30:01That is the next step.
30:03That is exactly the next step.
30:05What is Sharia?
30:07That is also a form of censorship.
30:09What do you mean censorship?
30:11Everybody is getting angry and fighting cases.
30:13No, I'm sorry.
30:14Why should anybody, sir?
30:16Everybody who is doing cases...
30:18Let's not make this into something that it is not.
30:22I did not say Sharia law.
30:24If I do not like what you are saying, Khan Saab,
30:26even if I don't like what you are saying,
30:27I will still defend your right to say it.
30:29Because that is your fundamental right to say it.
30:31I'm not going to say that because you have an opinion about me
30:34or about a certain politician
30:35or about a certain philosophy
30:37that you should not say it.
30:38I did not say that.
30:40Okay.
30:41I completely disagree.
30:42I disagree with you.
30:43You said censorship, sir.
30:45You said there should be censorship.
30:47I think the point being made,
30:49and I think we can all agree on this,
30:51maybe Khan Saab doesn't agree on it,
30:53is that this is a dangerous path to go down
30:58for a country like India.
31:00We are a democracy at the end of the day.
31:03And if we start normalizing,
31:05selective targeting,
31:07justifications for greater crackdowns,
31:10censorship, regulation, whatever it is,
31:12even if it is with due process,
31:14where does it actually end?
31:16These are complex issues.
31:18We are a big country.
31:19We are practically a continent.
31:21We've got so many languages.
31:22We've got an absolute ocean of content
31:24coming out from our young generations right now.
31:27What is the best way to deal with it
31:29without coming down on it with a heavy hand?
31:33It's a new world.
31:34Things are changing.
31:35Things are going to get
31:36infinitely more complicated now
31:38in the paradigm of AI
31:40and fake videos and things like that.
31:42So one needs to wonder
31:44how things can actually be regulated
31:47in a proper manner
31:49in such a way that
31:52the country is not pushed back.
31:54Nobody is ever going to stand here
31:56and defend the contents
31:58of what Ranveer Alabadia is saying.
32:01And I think all of us know
32:02that in the last one week,
32:04those of us who've been
32:06slightly disturbed by the disproportionate action
32:10have been finding ourselves saying that
32:12I am not defending the contents of the joke.
32:15I am defending the principle of his right
32:17to make a terrible joke
32:19and not face state action for it.
32:21There's a huge distinction
32:22between the two things.
32:23And that's the reason why I think
32:24it's important to put a spotlight on this.
32:26It's not about just one podcaster
32:29or one comedy show
32:30or one YouTube video.
32:31This is about what can happen
32:33to anyone out there.
32:34And that's the reason why
32:36we decided to bring
32:37both Jai and Shehzad onto this show.
32:40Thank you, gentlemen, for being with me.
32:41Really good to have the both of you.
32:42And look forward to having you back
32:44very, very soon here on India Today.
32:47We've got some breaking news coming in now.
32:57Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee
32:59has called the Mahakumbh
33:01Mrityukumbh
33:02over the deaths in two stampedes,
33:05one in Prayagraj
33:06and one at the New Delhi station.
33:08The BJP has fired back
33:10over the Mrityukumbh remark,
33:12says Mamata has contempt
33:14for India's culture
33:16and that it's a deliberate attack
33:18on the revered Kumbh pilgrimage.
33:21The BJP says
33:22Mamata doesn't miss a chance
33:23to appease her vote bank.
33:25They're obviously talking about
33:26the Muslim vote bank
33:28and that Mamata Banerjee
33:29has repeatedly undermined
33:31Hindu traditions.
33:33First, listen in to what Mamata Banerjee says.
33:47I respect the Mahakumbh.
33:49I am a devotee.
33:51I respect the Holy Ganga Mother.
33:54But if you don't plan
33:56and go so high,
33:58so many people will die.
34:00They said 30 people.
34:02Is that true?
34:03How many dead bodies
34:04were dumped in the river?
34:06For the VIPs of the rich,
34:09a camp of lakhs of rupees.
34:12And for the ordinary people
34:14of the poor,
34:16a queue of 15-20 hours.
34:20If a Madurai sits there
34:22and sells his religion
34:24for 2,000 rupees,
34:26I can't accept that.
34:28After such a big incident
34:30in Mahakumbh,
34:32which commission did you send?
34:34Which committee did you send?
34:36Those who have returned
34:38to my state,
34:41those who have returned
34:43to my state,
34:45have not given
34:47a death certificate,
34:49not even a post-mortem.
34:52A young B.Tech student
34:54named Prakriti Namsal
34:56from Nepal committed suicide
34:58a couple of days ago on campus
35:00at Odisha's Kalinga
35:02Institute of Technology.
35:04Wide outrage has been ignited
35:07on campus following the death
35:09of the young student.
35:11Prakriti's ex-boyfriend
35:13was arrested,
35:14accused of abetting her suicide
35:16with constant harassment,
35:18threatening her with private pictures
35:20and more.
35:21While heads are rolling
35:22at the university over mismanagement
35:24in the aftermath
35:25of the students' protests,
35:26the question now is,
35:27will Prakriti Namsal get justice?
35:31We want justice!
35:3920-year-old Prakriti Namsal
35:41from Nepal,
35:42a third-year B.Tech student
35:43at Odisha's Kalinga Institute
35:45of Industrial Technology,
35:47was found hanging
35:48from her hostel room on Sunday.
35:50The student's ex-boyfriend,
35:52Advek Srivastav,
35:53has been arrested
35:54and is accused of abetting
35:56the girl's suicide
35:57with constant harassment.
36:00The victim's father too
36:01alleged blackmail
36:02and harassment by the accused.
36:24Facing mounting outrage
36:25for this mishandling
36:26of the situation,
36:29the KIIT University
36:30issued an apology
36:31for harassment
36:32and forceful eviction
36:33of Nepalese students.
36:35The university sacked
36:36two security personnel
36:38and suspended
36:39two hostel officials
36:40and a senior
36:41international relations officer.
36:44A 24-7 helpline
36:45has also been opened
36:46to facilitate the return
36:48of its Nepalese students.
37:00This clip of KIIT professors
37:02taunting the Nepalese students
37:04triggered wide outrage.
37:30Prompting an apology
37:32by one of the professors.
37:55Tensions gripped
37:56the university
37:57after students accused
37:58the college of a cover-up
38:00and turned up
38:01in large numbers
38:02to demand justice
38:03for Prakriti.
38:10The Nepalese students
38:11were also forced
38:12to evict the campus.
38:29The Nepalese government
38:30stepped in,
38:31vowing to help
38:32their students in distress
38:33over their forceful eviction.
38:58But the cries of justice
38:59for Prakriti Lamsal
39:00are growing louder.
39:28Bureau report, India Today.
39:58A panel will probe
39:59reports of misconduct
40:00and use of force.
40:02Remember, the police
40:03is currently
40:04probing the suicide itself.
40:06Indrajit Kundu
40:07is live with me.
40:08He's been tracking
40:09this story.
40:10Indro, where does
40:11the investigation
40:12currently stand?
40:13The boy accused
40:14of blackmailing Prakriti
40:16with private pictures,
40:18harassing her,
40:19tormenting her,
40:20abusing her,
40:21he has been arrested.
40:22He was trying to
40:23take a flight
40:24and get away
40:25from Bhubaneswar.
40:26Where is the
40:27investigation
40:28right now?
40:33Well Shiv,
40:34this is something
40:35that has sent shockwaves
40:36across educational institutions,
40:38not just in Orissa,
40:39but across the country.
40:40And there is
40:41widespread outrage
40:42specifically because
40:43we have seen
40:44those visuals
40:45that have now gone viral
40:46on social media.
40:47You know,
40:48empathy was lacking
40:49from the university
40:50administration
40:51at a time
40:52when the students,
40:53and remember,
40:54these are students,
40:55foreign students
40:56from Nepal,
40:57they are very far
40:58away from their family,
40:59young, impressionable minds,
41:00and they were
41:01actually agitated
41:02when they heard
41:03about the incident
41:04with Prakriti.
41:05So they were protesting,
41:06but instead of,
41:07you know,
41:08sympathizing with them,
41:09the university authorities
41:10literally evicted them.
41:12They were forced
41:13that was used
41:14by some of the security guards
41:15to literally throw
41:16these students out.
41:17They were asked
41:18to leave the campus.
41:20A notice was pasted
41:21saying that the university
41:23has been shut down,
41:24sign and die.
41:25That didn't go down well.
41:27And now the university
41:29has written
41:30an apology letter,
41:31but the government
41:32has now formed a panel
41:33to look into
41:34this entire matter.
41:35The police of course
41:36has arrested
41:37the main accused
41:38who was a student
41:40of the same university.
41:42He has been sent
41:43on judicial custody,
41:44but also two other
41:45security personnel
41:46against whom
41:47there are allegations
41:48of manhandling students.
41:49They have also
41:50been arrested.
41:51The university now
41:52has suspended
41:53several officials
41:54including the two
41:55security persons.
41:56So clearly a lot of
41:57answering that needs
41:58to be done
41:59by the university
42:00authorities.
42:01All right Indro,
42:02we'll keep a very,
42:04very close track
42:05on the investigation.
42:06This could easily
42:07have passed the gaze
42:09of national media
42:11if there hadn't been
42:12such a loud uprising
42:14happening on social media.
42:16That's where I first
42:17occasioned the story as well.
42:18We'll keep a track of that.
42:20I want to introduce
42:21onto our show
42:22Trisha Shetty.
42:23Trisha Shetty,
42:24she's founder of
42:25She Says Human Rights
42:26Advocacy Activist
42:27and a well-known lawyer.
42:28Trisha, good to see you.
42:29Thanks for being here
42:30on India Today.
42:32I wanted to pick up
42:33one particular aspect
42:34of this very troubling story,
42:36Trisha,
42:37at KIIT,
42:38which involves
42:39the suicide
42:40of this young
42:41student from Nepal,
42:42Prakriti Kansal.
42:44The details are still,
42:45of course,
42:46under investigation,
42:47but the reports suggest
42:48that she decided
42:50to die by suicide
42:52after being blackmailed
42:54by her boyfriend
42:56with her private pictures,
42:58mental abuse,
43:00emotional torture
43:02of the kind that has been
43:03floating around
43:04in audio clips
43:05and things like that.
43:06I just wanted to get
43:07an expert view
43:08from someone like you
43:09on what people can do
43:11when they are faced
43:12with something like this
43:13because there has been
43:15an explosion in cases
43:17of young women
43:18being blackmailed
43:19with their pictures.
43:22At the offset,
43:24we must remember
43:25that this is a young woman
43:26who did try
43:27and seek help
43:28from the institution
43:29within itself,
43:30which is something
43:31that many people
43:32don't even feel
43:33that they have the courage
43:34to do.
43:35Here is a young woman
43:36who was being subject
43:37allegedly to harassment,
43:38to blackmail,
43:39who did what most people
43:40actually don't do
43:41when they're put
43:42in this position,
43:43which is reach out
43:44to the institution
43:45and ask them
43:46to take cognizance
43:47because there is
43:48a specific aspect
43:49that protects students
43:50within higher
43:51educational institutions
43:52from sexual harassment,
43:53where it is within
43:54the ambit
43:55of the educational institute
43:56to ensure
43:57that their students
43:58are protected
43:59from sexual harassment.
44:00This is gender neutral,
44:01so this is very important.
44:02What can you do
44:03is remember
44:04that it is your
44:05educational institution,
44:06just like how
44:07if you're being harassed
44:08within a workplace,
44:09you have the POSH committee.
44:10If you're a student,
44:11it is your educational institution
44:13that must be protected
44:14from sexual harassment.
44:15If you're a student,
44:16it is your educational institution
44:17that must be protected
44:18from sexual harassment.
44:19If you're a student,
44:20it is your educational institution
44:21that must protect you.
44:22If the harasser
44:23is a fellow student,
44:24if the harasser
44:25is a teacher,
44:26if the harasser
44:27is someone
44:28that is maybe
44:29working within the institution
44:30or even a visiting student
44:31that came,
44:32if the harassment happened
44:33within campus grounds
44:34or not,
44:35if there is an association
44:36to the educational institute,
44:37they are legally bound
44:38to protect you.
44:39What does that mean?
44:40They are supposed
44:41to provide you
44:42with help
44:43to file your complaint
44:44as well as take you
44:45to the police station
44:46and help you
44:47to find out
44:48what the harassment
44:49you're being subject to
44:50also falls within the ambit
44:51of what the law of the land
44:52recognizes as a criminal offense,
44:53which in this case,
44:54of course, it was.
44:55So then what do you do?
44:56There are two divisions, right?
44:57You go to the cyber office
44:58and each police station nowadays
44:59does have a cyber office
45:00and you report the crime
45:01to the police station
45:02as well as the cyber office.
45:03What is really essential
45:04is to document everything.
45:05Take screenshots.
45:06The second you're being harassed,
45:07take screenshots of everything.
45:08If this is over social media,
45:09take screenshots of everything.
45:10If this is over social media,
45:11take screenshots of everything.
45:12If this is over social media,
45:13take screenshots of everything.
45:14If this is over social media,
45:15take screenshots of everything.
45:16If this is over social media,
45:17take screenshots of everything.
45:18If this is over social media,
45:19take screenshots of everything.
45:20If this is over social media,
45:21take screenshots of everything.
45:22If this is over social media,
45:23take screenshots of everything.
45:24If this is over social media,
45:25take screenshots of everything.
45:26If this is over social media,
45:27take screenshots of everything.
45:28If this is over social media,
45:29take screenshots of everything.
45:30If this is over social media,
45:31take screenshots of everything.
45:32If this is over social media,
45:33take screenshots of everything.
45:34If this is over social media,
45:35take screenshots of everything.
45:36If this is over social media,
45:37take screenshots of everything.
45:38If this is over social media,
45:39take screenshots of everything.
45:40If this is over social media,
45:41take screenshots of everything.
45:42If this is over social media,
45:43document everything, document the URL.
45:44document everything, document the URL.
45:45Don't delete anything from your phone,
45:46Don't delete anything from your phone,
45:47especially if you're being harassed.
45:48especially if you're being harassed.
45:49Step two,
45:50in parallel to reaching out
45:51to the Educational Institute,
45:52to the Educational Institute,
45:53also make sure you reach out
45:54to get mental help, right?
45:55to get mental help, right?
45:56But there are
45:57multiple free helpline numbers.
45:58multiple free helpline numbers.
45:59Tata Institute, TISS has iCall,
46:00Tata Institute, TISS has iCall,
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51:41story. It's a wrap on Five Live.