The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 2 Episode 2
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00:00Long story short, why now?
00:04The number one thing that held me back
00:06was because I wanted to work out my marriage.
00:08And so I feel like now I am ready to own up to things.
00:13Miranda, she was a swinger.
00:15She was very much involved in the whole situation.
00:17But Miranda and Chase, her husband, during the time
00:20denied everything and tried to make
00:22Taylor to look like a villain.
00:23And so that's why I feel like we all
00:25have a hard time with Miranda.
00:26I definitely think Miranda sees how well Mom Talk is doing.
00:30And now she's just coming on back,
00:31even though she hasn't talked to any of us
00:33for like two and a half years.
00:35It doesn't feel like the intention's pure.
00:36I don't ever think the intention ever will feel pure.
00:39I don't think I have any intention of us
00:40all hanging out in group settings every single weekend.
00:42I believe you.
00:44I trust your intentions.
00:46Thank you, I appreciate that.
00:47It's hard conversations to have.
00:50I don't think one single part of me
00:51wants to hear what Whitney has to say.
00:53I don't really give a shit.
00:54She's not even part of the group.
00:55Mom Talk is my chosen family,
00:57and I've become more protective over it.
00:59So ideally, I would love for Whitney and Miranda
01:02to link up and leave all of us alone.
01:04Girl can dream.
01:06I think it's just when it's all put out there,
01:08and it's like he said, she said.
01:09It's like, okay, well, who's lying to us?
01:10Like we just don't, no one wants to be lied to,
01:12I think is the problem.
01:13I wasn't ready to own anything.
01:15Like the reason I never even brought up
01:17the whole like kissing thing,
01:18and initially like wanted to deny that
01:19is because it's still freaking weird.
01:21That wasn't something I wanted to continue doing, right?
01:23This is like awkward to talk about,
01:26like with the church and like family and everything.
01:27Like it still was shameful and uncomfortable to bring up.
01:33I have like animosity, I think with us,
01:36because I felt like very left by you.
01:38We were like sisters.
01:39I feel like you thought maybe I was leading Chase on
01:41when I've never liked Chase a day in my life,
01:45and he knows that, and that's why he hates me
01:46and is obsessed.
01:47But I told him about a dream.
01:50I feel like Miranda thinks I led Chase on
01:52while they were still married
01:53because I told him that I had like a sex dream about him.
01:56And honestly, I didn't think anything of it
01:58because of what we were doing,
02:00that seems so mild to me.
02:01Like a sex dream, what to do?
02:03I really didn't think a dream was a big deal
02:06considering we're making out with each other
02:07and touching each other on the weekends.
02:11It felt like it just like opened up a space
02:12for him to feel comfortable to say things to you.
02:15Shortly after I told Chase about the sex dream,
02:17Chase came to me at the gym
02:20and told me that he had feelings for me.
02:23And basically that was him like trying to open a door.
02:26And I was like, I like am flattered and I appreciate it,
02:28but I do not feel the same.
02:30It just felt very hurtful
02:31that like you were telling everyone in our friend group,
02:33but you never told me.
02:34Yeah, that is my bad.
02:35I was being a bad friend of like not immediately
02:38going to you and be like,
02:39this is what your husband said,
02:40but I knew I would lose you that day.
02:44It was hard just because it was also,
02:45I mean, I was like four months postpartum.
02:47I know.
02:48And then I was also like,
02:54I lost my best friend, dude.
02:56Yeah.
02:58I don't think you think about the fact that I cared,
03:00but I cared.
03:02Like I hurt a lot.
03:03I just never wanted you to know because I was so mad.
03:06Yeah.
03:07And I completely understand the husband thing
03:09because I feel like as a best friend,
03:11you owe that to your best friend to tell him no matter what.
03:14And that's where I went bad and I know that.
03:16I appreciate that.
03:18We were so inexperienced.
03:20There was no balance.
03:21There was no discussion.
03:22So lines were blurred.
03:24The girls have this resentment towards her
03:27and they all stuck by my back.
03:29So it's like almost as I should have
03:30that resentment as well.
03:31However, they don't know the extent of the situation.
03:35I think they forget I was also a villain in that story.
03:38There will be a conversation between Miranda and I
03:40without everyone.
03:41I would love that.
03:42It's just me and her.
03:44I've always wanted to get past this,
03:46but I was in like a very different place.
03:49A very different place.
03:50There was so much that I literally
03:53did not have it in me to face.
03:56I'm proud of you both.
03:57Just to be able to sit in the same room
04:00and have this conversation,
04:01no matter how it goes and how you move forward.
04:04I guess I never really considered the fact
04:06that Taylor and Miranda were really good friends
04:08before all the fallout happened.
04:10And I could understand why Miranda would miss that
04:12and feel like she's longing for a place
04:15and them kind of longing to be friends again.
04:18It's been a hell of a couple of years, huh?
04:21Yes, it's been awful.
04:23I was telling them I've become a lot more softer
04:25than I was.
04:26Really?
04:27I feel like I can see that.
04:28Yeah, it's made me soft.
04:29And I think we're just more empathetic
04:30because I feel like when people are like struggling,
04:32Whitney, for example, has like been destroyed,
04:35you know, on the internet.
04:36Yeah.
04:37And I felt nothing but like empathy for her
04:38because yes, you might've made a lot of your own decisions
04:41and pissed a lot of people off.
04:42Yeah.
04:43But I've been in your place.
04:45And when you're kicked while you're down,
04:47it freaking sucks and it can make you like go insane.
04:50I'm trying to make amends with all of these women.
04:54What we learn in the church is to open our heart, forgive.
04:57Everyone's being cordial,
04:58but I can feel I'm not necessarily wanted here right now.
05:01So it's really nice to have Taylor sticking up for me.
05:04I feel like these little steps are being taken.
05:08I'm really hoping the momentum
05:09and the growth that we're making doesn't stop.
05:12Everyone's like, Whitney freaking hates you, Taylor,
05:13like whatever.
05:14But like, I just want people to know
05:16that I've been there at the fucking bottom, kicked,
05:20and it sucks.
05:21Well, I don't hate you, but I appreciate that.
05:25Just wanted everyone in the room to know that too.
05:27Taylor's preaching to me.
05:29I love it.
05:30Amen.
05:31Hallelujah.
05:32Get her a name tag.
05:34Just kidding.
05:36I'm kind of confused because I feel like we still
05:39didn't get to the bottom of this swinging scandal tonight.
05:41Miranda skirted around the issue a lot.
05:44I'm throwing a Halloween party next week.
05:45So I think I need to expand my guest list.
05:48Miranda's ex-husband, Chase, is dating my friend.
05:50So not only am I going to invite him,
05:52I invited Miranda too.
05:54I think that trust is everything in friendships.
05:56And if we don't have trust in mom talk,
05:57we don't have anything.
05:58And I think we'll be able to tell who's lying and who's not
06:01if we get them in the same room.
06:04I'm glad we had a little icebreaker sesh
06:07before your party.
06:08Ooh, it's exciting.
06:10When is that again?
06:11Next week.
06:12Okay.
06:13Let's go.
06:43♪ Hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle ♪
06:56♪ B to the I to the G ♪
07:00Suspect is a multimillionaire,
07:01but still orders a kids meal at every restaurant.
07:10This is so me.
07:11It's so you.
07:12Barbie girl, like, oh wait, these ones are cute too,
07:14like the denim.
07:15No, I love the denim.
07:17Hello.
07:18McKay.
07:20Hello.
07:21Look how cute you look.
07:23I'm super excited for the Halloween party
07:25and I really need to find a costume.
07:27Dad's actually so cute.
07:28I really want that.
07:29And now I'm divorced.
07:30I just got my body redone.
07:32I want to show it off.
07:33I'm also dating somebody new right now.
07:36Cameron is a soccer coach.
07:37He was raised Mormon and his dad is a bishop.
07:41Me and him have been together for about four months now.
07:44He seriously is the best.
07:45He sees me.
07:46He loves me in ways that I didn't think
07:48that anyone could love me.
07:49And I feel confident in myself for the first time
07:52in a really long time.
07:54Hello.
07:54Hi.
07:55Hi.
07:56You guys are all the same vibe.
07:58I like went total opposite.
08:00I kind of want to try these.
08:01We need some for stagecoach.
08:02Yeah.
08:03Wait, Jen going to stagecoach, right?
08:05I don't know.
08:05How is she doing?
08:06Taylor was saying Jen told her that Zach was planning
08:09on moving back in their house and working things out
08:12because he's a changed man.
08:14A changed man.
08:15I think it just breaks my heart.
08:16Cause it's like, I just don't know how much better
08:18it can get from that.
08:19And maybe like he really has changed,
08:21but I just feel like he's shown his true character.
08:23And like, I don't, I don't know.
08:25How would you feel if he went to a Magic Mike concert?
08:27Being divorced and taking care of two kids
08:30would be kind of tough.
08:31So I guess you make the decision.
08:33She had me read their entire thread.
08:35I'm done with you.
08:36I'm done with our marriage.
08:38I'm done.
08:39You're disgusting.
08:40He said, I don't love you anymore.
08:41I don't love you.
08:43When it's that bad where like you're telling your spouse
08:45you don't love them.
08:46No, it's crazy behavior.
08:47You're a bad mom, whatever.
08:48Like there's not many success stories of it's better
08:50than ever after that low of a look.
08:52Yeah.
08:53I think women tend to put up with a lot more
08:55in their marriages in the Mormon church
08:57because it is frowned upon to get divorced.
08:59Maybe there's a little bit of that playing in
09:01with Jen and Zach's relationship.
09:03Jen said it was a trial period.
09:05Oh, what does that mean?
09:06They're just going to test out the waters, I guess,
09:08and see if he's actually changed.
09:10And then if not, I'm like,
09:10you're going to kick him out again.
09:13I'll be the last one standing.
09:28Last one standing.
09:30I see you on the other side.
09:32I'm staying here tonight.
09:34Got one, got one.
09:36There you go.
09:37Whoa, damn.
09:38Oh, nice, dude.
09:39You see that one?
09:40Yeah, I did.
09:42I can see why you guys do this.
09:44It's relaxing, isn't it?
09:46Yeah, dude, that's why I do it.
09:48I'm from Idaho, so I like love fly fishing.
09:51It's like therapy for me.
09:53Oh, shit, shit.
09:55With everything that's going on with Taylor,
09:57I just wanted to hang out with my friends
10:00and just like clear my head.
10:01We're just trying to chill.
10:03So Dakota, what's going on with you and Taylor now?
10:05Yeah, things have been like super rough,
10:08but like I get why like everything I did
10:10like hurt her 10 times more.
10:12I just screwed up.
10:13Like I freaking lied.
10:14I don't know, dude, I just feel for my son.
10:17I've never been a dad.
10:18It's like the most important thing ever
10:19to me in my life right now.
10:21And I feel like I'm like losing that.
10:25Oh, freak.
10:27Co-parenting and living alone, fuck.
10:30Like just trying to navigate all this,
10:33that's been challenging for me.
10:35I messed up and I wish I could go back and change that
10:38because I love Taylor more than anyone.
10:40That's where I have to come in and start showing her.
10:44I wanna make things right.
10:45I wanna fix this and I'm willing to do whatever it takes.
10:50But I do feel like Taylor's parents have been there for me,
10:53even with our situation right now.
10:55Like Leanne just invited me to a barbecue
10:58at her place this weekend.
10:59If you can come for dinner, that would be great.
11:02Thank you, I appreciate you inviting me.
11:04Jer and I both wanted to sit down with you and-
11:06Are you gonna be here?
11:09Yeah, Jeremy, I'll be there.
11:10You better, pussy.
11:15Hey Zach, you just barely moved back?
11:17Yeah, like five days ago.
11:20Have you liked being back so far?
11:22Yeah, it's been good.
11:23We've been doing ketamine therapy together.
11:25You're kidding me.
11:26Yeah, more than anything, I'm just back to support Jen.
11:29So like the whole Chippendale thing,
11:31how would you have operated differently?
11:33What I did was wrong.
11:34And like, I have to live with the repercussions of that
11:36the rest of my life.
11:39It's just been a good time for me to like look inside
11:41and kind of see what changes I need to make.
11:44Oh shit.
11:45Sorry, Zach, give me just a second.
11:47This is some bullshit I'm dealing with.
11:49Are you guys still going to church and everything?
11:52I'm not currently going now.
11:54Jen still wants to go and I think eventually we will.
11:57Interesting.
11:58Okay, so that's more from your side.
11:59Yeah, it's 100% me.
12:01Wait, whoa, that is crazy, dude.
12:03I feel not accepted.
12:04I also feel honestly embarrassed.
12:06We've had like a couple nasty interactions
12:08with people at church.
12:10Yeah.
12:10Dude, that's like exactly what I had to go through.
12:13I get death threats from women all the time.
12:15Yeah, I probably had 50 to 100 DMs saying like,
12:18you deserve to die.
12:19Like if I saw you in person, I'd kill you.
12:21Jeez.
12:22You know, if you have like a good relationship with God
12:24and you're trying to figure it out with him,
12:25I don't think anything else matters.
12:26100%.
12:27Yeah.
12:29I really like all the husbands.
12:30We have a weird bond.
12:32We kind of all are in this similar situation.
12:34Sometimes it's nice to be with them
12:36and just like vent to each other about like the wives.
12:39Jen asked me to give Jesse and Demi an apology.
12:42Probably won't be the funnest conversation,
12:44but for us to heal in our marriage,
12:46I think it needs to happen.
12:47I'm just hoping to move past this whole situation.
12:50So how come all the Utah boys are catching fish
12:52and the Idaho boy?
12:53I already caught, dude, I had a couple on.
12:55Oh, I didn't see it.
12:56Yeah, I caught one and then, oh shit.
13:00The guy's pouring his guts out.
13:02Hasn't caught one fish.
13:03You know I can't multitask, dude.
13:05Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
13:22Okay, let's do this.
13:24I've never been up against someone's husband, so.
13:26I know.
13:26This is a new feeling.
13:28This is so interesting.
13:29Give me Whitney all day, every day,
13:29but this is different.
13:31Apparently, Jen has asked Zach to meet with me and Demi.
13:34I definitely feel like they're better off apart,
13:36but I guess if this is gonna help Jen, I'm all for it.
13:39So I'm curious to see how this goes.
13:42Jen told me that it was like after a ketamine session
13:46that he's like, I want to meet with them.
13:47So maybe he had like visions of us.
13:49I don't know.
13:50Visions of boring?
13:51Yeah.
13:52He's like, I need to meet with my Lord and Savior.
13:55I don't know, I just feel.
13:56Jessie!
13:58His Lord and Savior, us.
14:01We are.
14:07I'm nervous going into this conversation
14:09with Demi and Jessie.
14:10They can both be very aggressive.
14:11I don't know if they're gonna accept my apology,
14:13but I want to show Jen how much I support her.
14:16And I feel like whoever Jen decides to be friends with,
14:18I want her to feel that support.
14:20But yeah, they spread a lot of rumors and lies about me.
14:22For that reason, I'm a little bit scared
14:24about how this conversation is gonna go.
14:27Are we ready to do this?
14:29All right, girl power.
14:30Power to the pussy.
14:35Hello.
14:36Hi guys.
14:36Hi, how are you?
14:38Good.
14:38Good to see you.
14:39Thanks for coming guys.
14:40Thanks for having us.
14:41We were so surprised you chose the coffee shop.
14:42This feels like a business meeting.
14:43I know, I know.
14:44I was like, it kind of feels like an interview.
14:45Yeah, it does.
14:48You're like, what are your good qualities?
14:50What do you struggle with?
14:52We know what you struggle with, but just kidding.
14:54Thanks, Jessie.
14:54I appreciate that.
14:56But thank you guys for coming.
14:57I mean, I feel like there's been some weird contention
15:00and things ever since Vegas.
15:02I said some super hurtful things to Jen.
15:05Gambling and then complaining about Chippendales
15:07is like, I look like the biggest hypocrite in the world.
15:10I could have easily just been like, hey, I'm bummed out,
15:12but I get you were having fun,
15:13you were being a supportive friend.
15:14And I didn't, and I regret that.
15:18I'm grateful for what you guys said.
15:19Honestly, it has been transformative for our marriage.
15:24Because then it's helped us have
15:25some of the hardest conversations we've ever had.
15:27What is going on right now?
15:29He is doing a full 180,
15:32and I was not expecting this at all.
15:34I just wanted to address with you, Demi.
15:36Watching it back, I was like, damn,
15:38like she was talking major shit on me.
15:41Major truth, not shit.
15:43Just calling out the behavior, that's all.
15:44Some things, like for example,
15:45you said I gambled my medical school tuition.
15:48Just so you know, that's a blatant lie.
15:49Well, that came from Jen, though.
15:50We were told this.
15:51Jen told us that the night before,
15:53when I was getting the text.
15:54I don't want to throw Jen into this,
15:56because I just want to take accountability.
15:58Well, is that true or false?
16:00That is 100% a blatant lie.
16:04I would have never just made that up,
16:05or like brought that up,
16:07if I didn't think that that was the truth.
16:08And that also goes into what we thought about you,
16:10because we have been told certain things,
16:12so that kind of just played into the mindset
16:14we had when it comes to you.
16:16I think what scares me is when she's like,
16:17he has to learn, he can't be a narcissist.
16:19And we're like, what?
16:20Like, she just uses language that's a little scary.
16:23I have never seen anyone take accountability like he has,
16:29especially having those narcissistic traits that he carries.
16:32Because a lot of times it's not just environmental,
16:35it's like passed down genetically.
16:39To me, I guess I thought those were
16:41the conversations you were having.
16:41Yeah, I thought that was pretty harsh,
16:43coming from your partner.
16:46I don't feel like that's who I am,
16:48and that's like not who I want to be.
16:50There's always been an element of Jen
16:52where I don't fully trust what she's saying.
16:54I feel like not a lot of it is sincere or genuine.
16:56And I blamed it on the relationship.
16:58She's not sure what to say or how to say it,
17:00because how Zach will react.
17:02But now that I'm hearing these things,
17:03I'm like, is she just not trustworthy as a person?
17:05Does she not like confrontation,
17:07and she doesn't like to make people upset,
17:09so she tells everyone what they want to hear?
17:11I'm really, really confused.
17:13She's expressed to me that you guys
17:17were so there that night,
17:18but then no one in the group has been there since.
17:20That's what pisses me off,
17:21because I have texted her.
17:22I have text, I can show you, I love you.
17:24Do you need anything?
17:25But she doesn't respond.
17:26She doesn't respond to us.
17:27I've tried, so for her to say that, it sucks.
17:29I only have Jen's perspective.
17:31I don't know what you guys have or haven't done.
17:32And obviously, I'm gonna take my wife's side,
17:35because that's what I'm supposed to do.
17:35For sure, it sounds like a pattern.
17:37We've only had Jen's perspective, too, on you.
17:40And it seems like it's not matching up,
17:41which is concerning.
17:43Things aren't adding up when it comes to Jen.
17:45It sounds like she is spinning things in her favor,
17:48like she's playing both sides, and I don't like that.
17:50If it turns out that the things that Zach is saying is true,
17:54then she absolutely needs to be held accountable for that.
17:57It sounds like I have some tough conversations
18:00I need to have with my own wife.
18:01Yeah.
18:21Oh, my God.
18:35Hello.
18:36Oh!
18:37Oh, you look so cute.
18:39Oh, hey, buddy.
18:41Look at his little eyes.
18:42Sweet, I want him.
18:44Now we just need Dakota to show up.
18:48Did you know he was coming?
18:49Did I tell you?
18:53I don't care.
18:53Yes, you do care.
18:54Yeah, you do.
18:55Because you would have already been gone if you didn't care.
18:58Ever since Jenna and finding out everything I have,
19:00I feel like I am really struggling.
19:03Dakota and I, we have lack of communication,
19:06and it's affecting our co-parenting.
19:08But it's hard because my parents really want us
19:12to give our all before we say we quit.
19:15So what are you going to be for Halloween?
19:17Oh, I am Gretchen Wieners.
19:21From Mean Girls?
19:22Yeah.
19:23Are you a slutty Gretchen?
19:25Or are you going to be just...
19:27I'm a cat, so I'm pretty covered.
19:29So pretty boring.
19:33So who's all going to the party?
19:35I wish I could go.
19:36So you can be friend Chase and talk to him?
19:38Yeah, I don't know why you like Chase.
19:40They're nice to me.
19:41Why should I be mean to anybody that's not nice?
19:43I like everybody.
19:44Because they treated your daughter like shit.
19:45I don't understand.
19:47My mom's a real estate agent,
19:48and she was Chase and Miranda's realtor
19:50when they were still married.
19:51And for some reason,
19:52she will always stay in touch with them.
19:54It's just, I'm not surprised either,
19:56because she's always his way.
19:57Do you care that I talk to Chase or Miranda?
19:59I don't have the capacity to be worrying
20:01about that type of shit when I have my own shit, you know?
20:06My goal is always to be with Taylor,
20:09to have our family together.
20:11And I think the only way to have a lasting relationship
20:14is you have to get really good at forgiving each other
20:17and not go backwards.
20:18I want to like truly try to go forward.
20:21Hello?
20:23Who is it?
20:24You know who it is.
20:24Oh, for hell sakes.
20:26Your favorite friend.
20:27I'm not your favorite friend.
20:28I'm not your favorite friend.
20:30I'm just a friend.
20:30I'm just a friend.
20:31I'm just a friend.
20:32I'm just a friend.
20:33I'm just a friend.
20:34I'm just a friend.
20:35Favorite friend.
20:36Oh, well, there's the big guy.
20:39Hi.
20:43Hi, Brynn.
20:44Hi.
20:44Hi, Taylor.
20:45Hi.
20:46Oh, Everett, don't touch the corn.
20:48Okay, I guess Everett's gonna touch the corn.
20:50Oh, we're doing it down there.
20:51Let me take this.
20:52Oh, I thought it was out here.
20:53Okay.
20:54I'm gonna go take these in.
20:55Let me go take something out there.
20:56You want to grab that corn so bad, don't you?
20:59You want to grab the cookies, one of you?
21:01Yeah.
21:06Does anybody want any corn?
21:08I'm good right now.
21:09Thank you, though.
21:16You're just so quiet.
21:17Like, you're just so closed off.
21:18I'm at loss for words.
21:19You guys were together and then not together.
21:22And then what's today?
21:24What's today looking like, I guess?
21:26I don't know, not.
21:27It's just so exhausting going back and forth,
21:29back and forth, on, off.
21:31It's not good.
21:32We're all tired of it.
21:33Like, really.
21:33It's obvious.
21:35You guys started your relationship
21:36on a foundation of shit.
21:38Yeah.
21:39I agree.
21:39Be honest.
21:40You didn't heal from your divorce.
21:42You had a ton of baggage.
21:43It's hard because you guys have a damn kid now.
21:46Yeah.
21:48I always cry at these things, too.
21:49I sure am.
21:52Shows you're a good human.
21:55Look, a relationship isn't 50-50.
21:59It's 100% on both ends.
22:01It feels like there's a little bit lacking on one end.
22:05It's gonna take me a while to get there.
22:07I hear he slept with another girl.
22:08He admitted it.
22:09I was so sad that I needed space.
22:11He went and hooked up with Jenna.
22:13That very night, I found out
22:14and was bawling my eyes out.
22:15During the time when I slept with the girl,
22:17I hung with Taylor three times or two times.
22:20Two nights after that, he goes,
22:21and Taylor, you're pretty much the only girl I'm seeing.
22:24I'm trash to him.
22:25You come over the next night, fuck me.
22:28And then you go and you hang out with another girl
22:30and then he comes the next night and fucks me again.
22:32Well, did you have to fight hard?
22:34I wasn't lying to you about someone else.
22:36Here's the thing.
22:37I'm gonna be blunt, fricking honest.
22:40He just told me that you guys
22:41had seen each other three times.
22:43I don't know Taylor.
22:44Before all this.
22:45And then you're sitting there telling me
22:47that he came over and had sex with you.
22:49What does that say about you?
22:53I'm not, I'm not pointing fingers.
22:55You guys.
22:56That's what I'm saying.
22:57I was trash.
23:00I know.
23:01No, no, no.
23:03I'm saying, there you go.
23:05I guess what I'm hearing is you deserve what you got
23:08because you like gave it up so easily.
23:09That's what I hear.
23:10And when you hear your parents say that,
23:12like why were you expecting to be respected?
23:15It like hurts.
23:19I just confirmed my insecurities
23:21and my beliefs about myself.
23:22No, I'm saying.
23:24You're not trash.
23:24You're not leaving.
23:25Yes, you did.
23:26No self-respect.
23:28I hate me.
23:29What I'm saying, let me finish.
23:30I feel like I'm at my lowest.
23:33Let me finish.
23:35You guys both had so much baggage.
23:39Because I know, I know I didn't have self-respect.
23:42It doesn't change that when you lie
23:44and you go hook up with another girl
23:45while you're apologizing.
23:47I know, but you're supposed to give the other person
23:48the benefit of the doubt.
23:49I just found out all these outliers
23:51that I was fucked over.
23:53And no one is saying, oh, get over it right now.
23:55Well, stop saying it.
23:56No, you can't say it.
23:57It's just saying, sacrifice it just for a little bit.
24:00He was asking her to hang out in the day
24:02and I was only nights.
24:03This is driving me nuts when she's saying this shit.
24:06That's the biggest lie I've ever seen in my life.
24:08And I'm not gonna let you keep saying that lie to me.
24:10Stop saying that lie to me because that is not true.
24:13And when you're asking me to come over at night
24:16all the time, what is that telling me as a guy?
24:20Why did I have to ask that?
24:23Because I've already told you.
24:24Taylor, you're forgetting that I'm coming
24:26from a very broken place too.
24:28That matters.
24:28You can't just disregard the shit that I just went through
24:32and where I was at in my life here.
24:34Okay, but you knowing that,
24:35then don't come into my life and pretend to be in my life.
24:38Oh my God.
24:39Taylor, give an inch so he can walk a mile.
24:41Just give fucking two inches of sacrifice
24:45and see what he can do.
24:48Why are you guys all coming at me?
24:50I feel very unheard, judged.
24:54Like, let's move on.
24:56Let's get over it.
24:57And I'm like, in what world
24:59am I supposed to just let this go?
25:02You guys, it takes a season to grow anything.
25:05I just think that you need to forgive yourself.
25:07And that's where it all comes down to
25:10because you guys weren't really together to me.
25:13And yes, you shouldn't have slept with him.
25:14And that's why we always tell you, like-
25:17That's not the fucking point!
25:20He lied?
25:21Yes, that is so wrong, but you weren't together.
25:24So what are you saying right now?
25:25What does that mean?
25:26I'm just saying.
25:27You need to go through therapy and give him some grace.
25:32If you love him, then it's worth trying.
25:35Family is something that I strongly believe in.
25:37That's exactly my whole point.
25:39I have still chose to stick through this
25:43and try to figure this out.
25:44You know it too.
25:45And that's why it drives me nuts
25:46is because you do know how much I care and love you, Taylor.
25:50Dude, I have a child with you.
25:51All I've wanted is a family.
25:53Why do I want to come here and blast this to the world?
25:57Who wants to do that?
25:58Stop!
25:59You guys are not going anywhere.
26:00Honestly, I think you guys need to be separated
26:02and stay separated.
26:04You need to work.
26:05Focus on you.
26:06You need to keep going to therapy
26:07and you need to give yourself grace.
26:10You carry so much guilt with your kids and what happened.
26:14Now you have Ever.
26:15And he can feel tension in the house
26:17when you guys are together.
26:18You can tell.
26:19And it's just, you need to do what's best for him.
26:21And I'm sorry, it's staying separated right now.
26:26If God really did send him to you,
26:29he will bring him back to you.
26:30It's you and Satan in your own head
26:33and it's eating you alive.
26:34Put it in God's hands
26:35because I honestly think it'll blossom after.
26:38I think I was punished for what I did.
26:40Oh my gosh, Taylor.
26:42No, I think it was,
26:43I'm going to let you feel what you did to somebody.
26:46God is not like that.
26:47I didn't cheat on you.
26:48I'm sorry, but God is not like that.
26:50It is betrayal,
26:51but I don't think that we're getting anywhere right now.
26:54I have to work in the morning.
26:57So get out.
26:57So no, not get out,
26:59but let's, if we can say a prayer
27:02since we didn't pray before we ate.
27:06Dear Congressional Assembly Father,
27:07we're so grateful for this night.
27:09We're so grateful to have Dakota and Taylor
27:12be able to try to figure things out.
27:18And please bless that they can love one another
27:21and we're grateful for our family.
27:24Sometimes we don't all get along,
27:26but we're grateful.
27:28And I say this name of Jesus Christ.
27:30Amen.
27:33As angry and mad as I am,
27:35shutting the door is just not going to happen right now.
27:42I feel like I still obviously
27:44have lots of feelings towards him.
27:50I do love Dakota.
27:51That's why I'm in so much pain.
27:55I'm in so much love with my family.
27:58Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
28:28The resentment they have towards me is actually
28:32because of the resentment they have towards Zach.
28:35Hi, babe.
28:36Hi.
28:37How did it go?
28:40That was a little rough.
28:41Oh, no.
28:42You want to come sit right here?
28:44So they were basically like, Zach,
28:48the reason we have such negative feelings towards you
28:50is every time we're with Jen, all it is is negativity.
28:54All she says is how horrible you are, how narcissistic you are.
28:58You're kidding me right now.
29:00And I clarified a lot of lies and things
29:02that had been said about me.
29:03And they're like, well, that's what we had heard.
29:05I haven't really talked to them at all since Vegas.
29:08In fact, they've never even reached out to me.
29:10So they also called you out for that.
29:13Called me out.
29:14Yes.
29:16Didn't feel like it was like, hey,
29:18how do we squash our beef to then support Jen?
29:20It kind of felt like it was everyone.
29:23Not.
29:24Against Zach.
29:25No, against you, to be honest.
29:27Against me.
29:28It just bums me out, sweetie, because I've made mistakes.
29:31That being said, it's like, I feel like I'm so careful with my friends
29:36about the way, like, because there's negative things that you do.
29:39But I would never tell, like, Colin or Jackson are my best buddies,
29:42these things, because I don't want them to have this one-sided opinion.
29:44I don't want to vent to them about my marriage.
29:46All I've done since Vegas is defend you.
29:49On social media.
29:50With my friends.
29:51At the same time, I'm also not defending your actions.
29:55But I have defended you and our relationship more times than you can even count.
30:00And do you know how many people have made me felt, like, delusional for doing that?
30:05And the crap that I've been through for defending you and your actions?
30:09If you don't trust them, then please don't go share all the negativity about our marriage.
30:17I mean, the fact that they're saying that makes me so—
30:21Wait, wait, wait. You're not listening to me. Let me speak.
30:23You spoke for five minutes. Hear me out.
30:26Will I admit that there are times I talked negatively about you before Vegas? Yes.
30:32They said it's continued.
30:33No. No. In fact, they haven't been a part of my life after Vegas.
30:37I'm definitely triggered because Zach went there to apologize in the first place,
30:42and now it's turned back on me.
30:44I need to have a conversation with the girls because I feel like if they truly valued me as a friend,
30:48they wouldn't be turning my husband against me.
30:51I just want to squash everything and get to the bottom of all of this.
30:56I would be happy to sit down with you and them.
31:00Yeah. I want to be straightforward about everything, and I don't want to be playing telephone.
31:03Like, I want everyone in the room.
31:04That's what it felt like, is a lot of he said, she said.
31:06And I'm not playing the he said, she said anymore.
31:08And I think it would be best if we were all in the same room.
31:14So I kind of thought this could be like a centerpiece for food.
31:34That'll be cute.
31:35Are you amped?
31:36I'm nervous.
31:37Look how cute.
31:38Spooky.
31:39That's going to go out front, right?
31:41Yeah.
31:42Oh, they're here.
31:44Hello.
31:45We just let ourselves in.
31:46Welcome to our home.
31:47Jordan and I are having a Halloween party, and we are having Brett and Demi over today.
31:51We had this idea to surprise everyone with a Chippendales performance starring Brett and Jordan.
31:56I think it's a chance for Zach to show that he's really changed and to just embrace this and be able to move forward.
32:03I mean, do you think this ends good?
32:05I know you're saying it's a coin flip, but what's your premonition to that?
32:08I don't know.
32:09They're like, stop yapping.
32:11I hope, obviously, that he reacts.
32:13Normally?
32:14As though he's evolved.
32:15Do you think you're a little bit of a pusser?
32:17I think I'm a therapist.
32:18It's going to be crazy, though, like getting everyone in one room.
32:21I heard that you're inviting Kate.
32:23Is she bringing Chase?
32:25I think so.
32:26Jesse inviting Chase to the Halloween party is so messy because everyone has literally hooked up with everyone.
32:33We had Taylor, who was married to her ex-husband.
32:36They swung with Miranda and Chase.
32:39Chase fell in love with Taylor, but Taylor didn't reciprocate those same feelings for Chase.
32:45So Chase got butt hurt and he's been bashing her online ever since.
32:49Now, Chase is dating one of Jesse's friends, Kate, but also Layla and Chase hooked up.
32:56So this is just going to end so bad.
32:58I'm nervous about it.
32:59In a normal world, I would never put these people together in one room.
33:03But how else are we going to get to the bottom of Miranda's involvement in the swinging scandal?
33:07If you want to come back into MomTalk, you have to be willing to tell the truth.
33:13Oh, my gosh.
33:14He's here, you guys.
33:15One of you broke out into a dance right now.
33:17How's it going?
33:18Good.
33:19Jordan.
33:20Jason.
33:21Jason, nice to meet you.
33:22Brett.
33:23Jason, nice to meet you guys.
33:24I think I oiled you up at one point.
33:25Yeah, there was a little bit of that backstage.
33:26We've flown in an actual host of Chippendales.
33:31He's going to teach them not only a choreographed dance, but be there with them in the performance.
33:36Brett is going to look so sexy.
33:38We might need to implement this at home.
33:41Can you guys take off your shirts for this?
33:43Yeah, I think we need the shirts off.
33:44Oh, boy.
33:45Just giving it a little bit.
33:48No, no, no.
33:49No, no, no.
33:51Yeah, you got to roll it.
33:52Yeah, I like that.
33:53Oh, I don't like that.
33:54Yeah.
33:57So Jen's going to be the guest of honor.
33:59She'll be right here.
34:00We're going to give Jen the full Chippendales experience, and it's not the full experience
34:04if she doesn't get a lap dance, right?
34:07Time to go.
34:08Roll.
34:09Roll.
34:13Next.
34:14You got to get ready.
34:15I guess I'm going after this, too, then.
34:18Just let it go.
34:19And then you have to kiss her all again.
34:25That was incredible.
34:26I think that's good.
34:27And then after that, then it can just be like freestyle for like having fun with it, right?
34:31Yeah.
34:32Oh, boy.
34:33I'm kind of nervous.
34:34This is either going to be the best Halloween party ever or the worst.
34:40I think you guys did a great job.
34:41We need a lot more practice.
34:42I mean.
34:54Hi, guys.
34:55Welcome in.
34:56We have our jammies and newborn in this first cubby.
34:58So you guys look around.
34:59You already see something.
35:00Look at the little bats.
35:02So cute.
35:03Oh, my God.
35:04It's adorable.
35:05Tomorrow.
35:08Look at the ghosts.
35:09I like the bats more.
35:10OK.
35:11With everyone in Mom Talk, it's clear that there's still some drama, animosity.
35:17There's tension right now.
35:18So you're still thinking it's a boy?
35:20Yes.
35:21I still think it's a girl.
35:22But lucky me.
35:23I can't afford being involved in any big drama anymore.
35:26Saved by the baby.
35:28God bless.
35:30See you tomorrow.
35:32We'll be praying for you.
35:34See you later.
35:47Oh, they're here.
35:48I am sweating.
35:50It's like really not any of our business, but we've been brought into it.
35:52I know.
35:53No, that's what I feel like right now.
35:54That's what sucks.
35:55I'm like, I'm going to throw up.
35:56Like, I shouldn't be in this conversation.
35:57I know.
35:59Today, Jen and Zach are coming over.
36:00Jen unexpectedly reached out to Demi and I, and I'm wondering if it's about our conversation with Zach.
36:06I only have Jen's perspective.
36:07I don't know what you guys have or haven't done.
36:09Sounds like a pattern.
36:10We've only had Jen's perspective, too, on you.
36:12Yeah.
36:13And it seems like it's not matching up.
36:15I think all of us left confused and wondering what the truth was, because Jen's telling him one thing and us another.
36:21Between Miranda and Jen, we seem to be dealing with so many lies in Mom Talk lately, and that's not a good feeling.
36:27You going to wait for me?
36:29Sorry.
36:30I'm not wasting time.
36:32Okay.
36:33Do we wave?
36:34What's the vibe?
36:35This is so comfy.
36:36I'm not looking.
36:37I hate it.
36:40Hi!
36:42You look all dressy.
36:44It definitely hurt hearing that Jesse and Demi were talking negatively about me to my husband.
36:51It makes me question if they're really on my side and if they really support me as a friend.
36:56If they have an issue with me, I would like them to confront that.
37:00Where is everyone at now?
37:02I just told Jen the truth.
37:03I told her, yeah, the girls basically said, when you're with them, you're talking bad about me.
37:08I guess we could just start there.
37:10Do you feel like you've only heard negative from me?
37:12Because I feel like the past six months, all I've talked about is the progress that we've made.
37:16I mean, I've had moments where I've confided in you because I trust you.
37:18But my truth is, our relationship is up and down.
37:22I don't feel like it's correct for you to say that all I've ever said was negative things.
37:29It's interesting to me that Jen is so upset with the involvement of everyone in her marriage
37:35when she was the one that brought everyone into her marriage and into those problems.
37:39We definitely still have our tough days where we just aren't on the same page.
37:44He just started questioning me and my character.
37:48It's just so frustrating.
37:50This could be the difference between us either breaking generational trauma or me leaving him.
37:56You are putting all of this out to the world, and then you're getting upset when we have opinions.
38:01Our opinion is being formed by what we're hearing is what we were saying.
38:04I was being told that you gambled money that was being given to you by family, which apparently is not true.
38:09I would like clarification on that because I would have never said that if that wasn't told to me.
38:13Yeah. I mean, maybe you want to clarify.
38:16That I... babe.
38:19Okay, I mean, we can get into that if that's what you want,
38:22but I would appreciate if you would just tell them the truth, and that is not the truth.
38:28No, he didn't gamble money that his parents sent us.
38:32Had I gambled money behind Jen's back? Yes.
38:34Had I sports bet behind her back?
38:36I think I had clarified. I don't remember telling you.
38:38What the fuck, Jen? Zach didn't gamble away the money that was given to him for medical school?
38:44That was a big reason why we all were so worried about her and her relationship.
38:49I don't even know what to believe right now.
38:53If you had the right intentions, you wouldn't have then continued to talk bad about my relationship.
38:59Every conversation we have, am I not?
39:03Trust your gut. Do what's best for you.
39:05Am I ever like, leave his ass. He's a horrible person.
39:08I, majority of the time, team, figure it out.
39:12Team, marriage, yes or no.
39:14I know from your guys' perspective, you think you guys have been good friends to Jen,
39:18but in her reality, she doesn't feel that way.
39:20I didn't feel like anyone was there for me.
39:22There were, I sent you a text that said,
39:24I have a feeling that I should check in on you right now. I love you. I hope you're doing okay.
39:27I also sent you a voice memo and said, I love you. I hope you're doing okay.
39:31And you kind of like, ghost us. Like, you don't really...
39:33No, I disagree because after Vegas...
39:35You can't disagree. It's a fact. I checked in on you, Jen.
39:38I literally, oh my God. I, I am going to lose my mind.
39:42I have reached out to her multiple times. I've sent her voice memos, texts.
39:47She would respond to me like four or five days later, just like, thanks, love you.
39:50So to say I wasn't there is a lie.
39:53You chose to remove yourself, but rightfully so,
39:56because I confided with you as a friend that I trusted.
39:59I didn't expect that you were going to then exploit this information.
40:02And then you told the whole group and then it was the whole group against me.
40:06How could I turn to you after that?
40:08If you had come to me, because you have, after Italy, you did come to me
40:12and I could easily talk about that, which I'm not going to.
40:15About what?
40:17Just everything that happened in Italy.
40:19What happened in Italy?
40:21Well, just how after Italy, Brett was crying to you and...
40:25No, he wasn't.
40:27Was he at the hotel room?
40:29He was like, you have nothing to worry about.
40:31Some of the girls and I took a trip to Italy to go to Vanderpump Villa.
40:34And one of the guys specifically, Marciano, was like super flirtatious.
40:38And I felt like I handled it the best that I could.
40:41Truly did nothing wrong.
40:43I genuinely feel like Jen is just grasping at straws.
40:45I feel like she almost like wants me to be in trouble
40:48or for there to be an issue with me and Brett.
40:50And the issue is not there.
40:52She's trying to just hide behind what's going on with her
40:56and all of the lies that she's telling that are coming to light
40:59and try to, you know, take the heat off of her.
41:02Jen, I'm not coming at your husband just to come at him.
41:05It's because I've been in a situation like this
41:07and I'm trying to be there for you because I love you.
41:09For so long, I was team Jen against Zach.
41:13And now Jen's showing erratic behavior and starting to lie
41:16and showing what kind of friend she is.
41:18And I don't think that's good for mom talk.
41:20I think there's a lot of things this group needs to deal with.
41:31Okay, here comes mom.
41:44I got this outfit.
41:46Is it supposed to be like a naughty nurse or something?
41:48Yes, it's supposed to be naughty, but like it's
41:50I'm literally like if I let go of this, like
41:52this whole thing is going to come down.
41:54You have always told me that your fantasy
41:56was for me to dress up as a doctor.
41:58So I see what you're going for.
41:59When I'm talking to Jesse and Demi,
42:01I don't know where my friendship stands with them
42:05and if I can trust them.
42:07Oh my gosh, that's stupid.
42:09But I'm definitely not going to let that stop me
42:11from going to the Halloween party.
42:13Hopefully we can just have a good time.
42:15Do you have any others?
42:17Um.
42:19This is your Halloween party,
42:21so I'm just going to be there to support.
42:23Wait, we could be JLo and Ben Allen.
42:25He is your second cousin, so like
42:27No, he's not.
42:29Okay, if that's what you want to keep telling people.
42:31I mean, that's what your family told me.
42:33That is not true.
42:35Yes, it is true.
42:37Okay.
42:39I think the whole Ben Affleck thing is hilarious.
42:41I feel like if anyone was related to Ben Affleck,
42:43that's something they imagined.
42:45With Zach, he's just trying to squash it,
42:47even though his family did tell me that.
42:49What do you mean you're not related?
42:51Why are you sitting like this is a face off?
42:53Because it is a face off.
42:55You're not going to make me feel stupid.
42:57I'm not going to get into this.
42:59You're not going to make me feel stupid
43:01when that's all I've been told from your family.
43:03I had told you for months.
43:05But do you truly know if that's true or not?
43:07No, and I never claimed that either, babe.
43:09I told you.
43:11But have you heard that from your family?
43:13Are you going to let me speak or not?
43:15No, have you heard that from your family, yes or no?
43:17I've heard that as a joke.
43:19As no, not as a joke.
43:21No one's ever claimed to have some relationship
43:23with him besides you, babe.
43:25How do you jokingly say that to someone
43:27when they're being married into a family?
43:29And that had been like a running joke in my family.
43:31It had never been something serious.
43:33And so when Jen started telling people
43:35that I did tell her,
43:37I don't think you should say that anymore.
43:39I think that's probably going to backfire.
43:41Your grandpa was like, yes,
43:43like we have met them before,
43:45like a long time ago when he was little or something.
43:47I had also heard that.
43:49You were there.
43:50I had heard that.
43:52So then don't make me feel crazy.
43:54I'm not making you feel crazy.
43:56I'm just saying you ran with it when I said Jen.
43:57You're not.
43:59Or maybe you are, I don't know.
44:01I feel like this is Jen's battle
44:03and I guess I'll just leave that
44:05for Jen to share her perspective.
44:08But I'm excited for the Halloween party.
44:10I want to show Jen how much I support her.
44:13Even though I don't fully trust Demi and Jessie,
44:15I'm just going to move forward
44:17knowing where everyone stands.
44:19Anyways, back to the Halloween costume.
44:21I think that's what we should be for Halloween.
44:23How are you feeling about tonight?
44:25With Demi and Jessie?
44:27I'm going to these parties to support you
44:30and this is a group that you want to be associated with,
44:33therefore I'm going to be there and be positive.
44:35The conversation with them was tough.
44:38But again, I don't want to continue to do this with them.
44:40I'm trying to leave this up to you.
44:42It's your decision to decide if they're good friends or not.
44:58Do I look like J-Lo?
45:00Nice.
45:02Do you like it?
45:03I like it.
45:05You look so good.
45:07You look like Ben Affleck.
45:09Oh my gosh, this looks so good.
45:12So tonight's the Halloween party.
45:14I'm really excited to have everyone over to my new home.
45:17Jordan and I decided to dress up as Ben Affleck and J-Lo.
45:21Jen and Zach are probably not going to be too happy about this.
45:24So I'm going to dress up as Ben Affleck.
45:27But how was I supposed to know we were going to have a big fight before the party?
45:36I cannot.
45:38You look so hot.
45:43You look so good.
45:45I'm super excited because I'm bringing my boyfriend Cameron tonight.
45:48This is the first time he's going to be around all of MomTalk
45:50and I'm really excited for him to kind of just get integrated into the group.
45:53Come get a drink.
45:54We have food, we have soda.
45:56Hello.
45:58Thank you for coming.
45:59You guys look so good.
46:01Dakota just texted me.
46:02He's almost here.
46:04Are they coming together?
46:05They got in a huge fight last night.
46:06No.
46:07So then he called Dakota.
46:09Well, shit, dude, you know how it is.
46:11Like, I mean, when she's pissed off, dude, she's pissed off.
46:13It's not super enjoyable for me to be around her when she's angry.
46:17Well, don't be around her.
46:18It's a big party.
46:20You guys have a baby together.
46:21You could be at a party together.
46:22Like, come on.
46:23They need to grow the hell up.
46:26Taylor's here.
46:27Taylor's here.
46:28Taylor's here.
46:29Taylor's coming in.
46:31You look so hot.
46:33So do you.
46:34Do you know who I am?
46:35Let me see.
46:36Look at me and him together.
46:38Am I an idiot?
46:39J-Lo and Ben Affleck.
46:41You're kidding.
46:42We're going to roast Jen and Zach.
46:43You assholes.
46:50Hello.
46:56This is unreal.
47:01Is your ass out?
47:06You know Dakota's coming, right?
47:07It's just funny because I, like, I knew he was going to come regardless.
47:11Really?
47:12You did?
47:13Then I'll come and call him.
47:14There's no way he's not coming.
47:15Well, I'm like, Chase is coming.
47:17I don't know what Jessie was thinking, but she invited Dakota, Miranda, and Chase, her ex-husband.
47:22These are people that I am not getting along with, haven't got along with, so I feel like
47:26this is going to be miserable.
47:27All I see is chaos.
47:29My friend who's dating Chase, she was like, I tried to test him and I was like, oh, I'm
47:33really nervous.
47:34I don't think we should go.
47:35And he's like, no, we have to go.
47:36Like, he wants to come so bad.
47:38He's such a freak.
47:43I am so glad that I got invited to Jessie's Halloween party.
47:46I just think that it's another opportunity for me to connect with everyone and hopefully
47:51deepen those relationships.
47:52Maybe if I'm lucky, I can get in the good graces of these girls and potentially be back
47:57in long time.
48:02Oh, Jenn and Zach are here.
48:03Hell yeah.
48:06Hi, guys!
48:07Hi!
48:08I can't this way.
48:09This is hot.
48:10This is hot.
48:11Wait, so we have J-Lo and Ben Affleck and then J-Lo and Abeta?
48:13Yes!
48:14I freaking love it.
48:17Jessie likes to start shit, clearly.
48:20I think that this is another jab at Jenn and I's expense.
48:23And I'm just not really sure why she feels the need to do that.
48:29Dakota!
48:30School bus!
48:34What is he?
48:35He's a bus?
48:36He's the bus!
48:37School bus!
48:38School bus!
48:39I don't get it.
48:40Yeah.
48:41I had the brilliant idea for Dakota to be the bus that hits Regina George.
48:47Excuse me, I'm sick.
48:49Did you see Dakota yet?
48:50No.
48:51He's here.
48:52Is he?
48:53He can come say hi to me.
48:54Yeah, he can come to you.
48:55Yeah, I don't go to them.
48:56Like, don't bring him over here.
48:58Who's gonna come in next?
48:59I'm stressed.
49:00I'm on edge.
49:01I'm getting, like, anxious.
49:02No, same.
49:04I really don't know why Jessie decided to invite all these people because we have all the
49:08former swingers in the same room.
49:10It's just gonna be a shit show.
49:11I have a feeling that it's gonna be bad.
49:14Chase is coming in.
49:16Oh, wait, and Dakota's right there by the door.
49:20I don't watch this.
49:21I have a feeling that stuff is about to go down tonight.
49:25Hey, your best friend's here.
49:26Hey, your best friend's pulling up.
49:34Oh, you look so good!
49:36I can't.
49:37You look so good.
49:39It's perfect.
49:40Your house is beautiful.
49:42That's what I am.
49:43That's what I am.
49:44This came as me.
49:45I knew it.
49:46I knew it.
49:47No, this is iconic.
49:48This is so that.
49:49Don't look.
49:50I know.
49:51Don't look.
49:52I'm not.
49:53There's a douchebag behind you.
49:54How many?
49:55A lot.
49:58Chase is my ex-husband, and Kate is his girlfriend.
50:02She's great.
50:03I love her.
50:04I have a good relationship with Chase as well, but do I want him here at this party?
50:08No.
50:10Chase, I told her.
50:11What's up, bro?
50:12Oh, shit.
50:13What's up, dude?
50:14What's up?
50:15How you doing?
50:16Dude, how are you doing?
50:17Dude, good.
50:18How are you?
50:19Who walks up to me?
50:20Chase.
50:21He comes up and gives me a hug.
50:22I thought it was weird, but Taylor's already pissed at me, so I'm trying to be cordial
50:29with everyone tonight and not cause problems.
50:31And so this is the first time where I was like, okay, I'm going to be like super nice.
50:35How's being dad?
50:36Dude, you're the best.
50:37Seriously, it's the coolest experience I've ever had in my life.
50:38Is anything happening back there?
50:39Like, who's talking to who?
50:40No, they're fully talking.
50:41Who?
50:42Chakota and Chase?
50:43Chakota and Chase are fully talking.
50:44I don't know what they're saying.
50:45What are they saying?
50:46Look at them.
50:47No, they're like giggling.
50:48They're giggling.
50:49They're laughing.
50:50About what?
50:51Dude, I don't know what Taylor thinks, but at the end of the day, I don't get why we
50:52fucking hate each other.
50:53Did you ask Taylor, though, if I ever fucked her?
50:54Because the answer is no.
50:55Yeah, I know.
50:56And anything happen outside of spin the bottle?
50:57No.
50:58No.
50:59No.
51:00No.
51:01No.
51:02No.
51:03No.
51:07No.
51:08No.
51:09No.
51:10No.
51:11No.
51:12No.
51:13No.
51:14No.
51:15No.
51:16No.
51:17I know.
51:18Everyone in the world thinks I fucked her.
51:19I know.
51:20This is sugary.
51:21I know.
51:22I know.
51:23Yeah.
51:24When Taylor first went online, I hadn't told my parents at this point, and again, I'm
51:25going to return missionary, married in a temple, so I hadn't told them that I had left the
51:26church.
51:27Yeah.
51:28So for us, it was like, oh, denied, denied, denied.
51:29Yeah.
51:30And if I could go back, dude, I'd change that 10 out of 10 times.
51:31Right.
51:32And I wish that's what I could tell Taylor and her family.
51:33It's like, look, I wasn't trying to hit on you.
51:34But the cheating situation was only you
51:37Chase he is like
51:39Pointing and like talking like I can just tell he's like talking about me. He keeps pointing at me like it's triggering and I'm livid
51:59Good
52:00The whole thing yeah, okay, I'll let chase say yeah
52:04I was saying at the end of the day when people ask me about you and my opinion of you
52:08I say 98% of my interactions with Taylor are extremely positive
52:12Aspen your mom your dad. I fucking love I love you guys
52:17But also you bring out the lowest point of my life, so I in return bring up the lowest point of yours
52:23When you announced that we were swingers to the whole universe
52:27That's your lowest point of your life. Are you sure yeah?
52:30Look at her turning her head to you. How do you know what she's like and she's like?
52:35What do you think slower? I won't say it for your sake well
52:38Don't bring it up, and then not say it. I'll do whatever the fuck. I want. I know I'm just saying
52:42Don't tell me what to do
52:43Maybe we should go stand over there. I actually haven't gotten a drink yet
52:48Let me explain. I want to hear that you know
52:55Are we are we doing all truth for truth right now?
52:57We do in truth for truth. Oh boy. Did you tell me the Jimmy had a sex dream about me?
53:01Yeah, okay say that right there. Hey. They already know that I've already talked about that
53:05How does actually don't know what it took two and a half years to anything else anything else?
53:08Why did it take two and a half years it did?
53:10What did you tell me at the gym what I tell you at the gym?
53:13What did you tell me I said I also had a sex dream
53:16No, no
53:20Tell me what you told me exactly what I told you you are you sure we're not doing truth for truth, then there you go
53:27Did you or not? No, I never said that that whole
53:40Okay guys change hurry, how are we feeling what?
53:45Absolutely terrified, but just gonna lean into it like you've never seen before guys. I'm like nervously like getting why am I nervous?
53:54Told you what happened
53:57That is true
54:00And I'll tell you what else
54:07Just saying I'm trying to just let him talk to you. I'm not a part of this
54:18Taylor I just found out about that freaking two weeks ago a month ago. You never told me that oh
54:25That's crazy, no
54:28Who said are you on Dakota? I don't care if you believe whatever if you're my partner
54:33You have my back and then you discuss it at home. I feel like so betrayed if he's saying that then why should I?
54:46Taylor you I just sent you about you that just came out of nowhere to your fucking lying mouth
54:51Okay, your boyfriend's a fucking liar. It's fucking sick. I don't know what's going on
54:58He just looked in the fucking eyes and you're not feelings for me you saw his face change I'm trying to just
55:12Jesse the police are here. No
55:18Take ownership right now
55:22What the hell's about to happen
55:27This is our marriage this isn't a game I can't do this. Will you please cut the camera?
55:32I don't want to get it twisted the height of what I was involved in was kissing people
55:37You did do more than just kiss
55:40Like if you're gonna come into mom talk to be open and honest because if you're not I will clear the air
55:45I just want to move on