In this episode of the Biscuits & Jam Podcast, Southern Living's Sid Evans sits down with Grace Bowers, a rising star who moved from Northern California to Nashville at 15 and found her place in the city's vibrant music scene. Now 18, Grace and her band, The Hodge Podge, are making waves with their new funk and soul-inspired album ‘Wine on Venus.’ In this interview, Grace shares how BB King ignited her love for music, her passion for Sly and the Family Stone, and some fun highlights from her Nashville journey.
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00:00Grace Bowers, welcome to Biscuits and Jam.
00:03Where am I reaching you right now?
00:05I am at my house right now in Nashville.
00:07Okay. So what part of Nashville are you in?
00:09I live in Oak Hill, which is, it's still technically in Nashville, but it just doesn't feel like it.
00:16Yeah. Okay. Well, that could be a good thing, right?
00:20I would say it's a good thing, yeah.
00:22Yeah. A little bit of distance is good.
00:24Yeah, for sure.
00:25And you've been in Nashville for how long now?
00:27Three years. I moved here from California with the rest of my family.
00:31Which had to be a pretty big move.
00:33Yeah.
00:34I mean, that's crossing the country and, you know, big kind of cultural change. And you're in the South now.
00:41Yeah, for sure. I mean, I love California and I'll probably end up moving back there at some point in my life.
00:49I also hated it when we first moved out here. For like three months, I was so mad at my parents for making us move.
00:55But now that I've settled in a bit and found the musical community out here, like, I love it.
01:02And it's really cool. There's the good with the bad. But yeah, it's definitely very different in a lot of ways.
01:12Well, tell me a little bit about where you grew up in Northern California.
01:15Tell me about the house where you grew up and what your folks do for a living.
01:22Yeah. Well, I don't come from a musical family. Like, on my mom and my dad's side, there is not a single person who plays an instrument.
01:30So the fact that I picked up guitar was kind of like just random because I thought it looked cool when I was nine years old.
01:39So pretty, pretty shallow reason for picking up a guitar. But I think it worked out in the end.
01:46But yeah, I grew up in a small town about 45 minutes from San Francisco.
01:51And again, absolutely no musical community there whatsoever. Like, we didn't even have restaurants with live music in it.
01:59It was just wasn't really a thing. And I was never growing up. I was never, you know, we had music on like in the car and stuff.
02:06But I was never really exposed to like new things and different kinds of music.
02:12So that was something that I really had to discover for myself.
02:17Yeah. Well, it sounds like you really found it, a lot of it during the pandemic.
02:23I mean, that's when you really started playing every day. Right.
02:26And and probably, you know, experimenting a lot and and listening to a lot of things.
02:33I would say, you know, I've been playing since I was nine.
02:36And it was always kind of just like a hobby for me. And I didn't really take it too seriously.
02:41Like my mom had to force me to go take guitar lessons every week and that kind of stuff.
02:47But there is one day it was like when COVID was just starting and everything had just gotten all shut down.
02:54I was sitting in my mom's car, like flipping through radio stations.
02:58And B.B. King comes on playing Sweet Little Angel off of his first very first album, I think.
03:04It was either his first or third. I can't remember.
03:06But he starts that song with like five notes and they like struck me in such a way because I had never heard anything like that before.
03:14So that I would say is like really the moment that I found a passion for it because I didn't I didn't I had never heard that before.
03:22I didn't even know you could do that with a guitar.
03:25Wow. Wow. That's amazing. And B.B. King of all things.
03:31I mean, you know, you know, he's he's been gone a long time now.
03:36But it was that that kind of jumped out of the radio at you.
03:41Wow. Well, Grace, congrats on the new album.
03:46It's called Wine on Venus, which is great.
03:51I love the name.
03:53And it's just it's got some great songs and guitar playing on it.
03:57And it's really got a lot of soul in it for someone who's just 18 years old.
04:06Tell me about some of the reaction that you've heard to it.
04:09Just kind of playing it for people could be friends and family or, you know, some of your fans.
04:14Yeah, well, I think, you know, since I do have quite a presence online and I feel like sometimes I get kind of grouped in with a lot of blues rock people and, you know, that's all cool and that's fine.
04:29But that's not the kind of music I make, nor is it the music I want to make.
04:33So I think by putting this album out, that was definitely a lot more influenced by funk and soul rather than blues and rock.
04:41You know, there still is that influence there, but it's just not as prominent as some people would think.
04:47I think it was a bit of a surprise because it's something, I don't know, maybe a bit different than what's what a lot of like guitar players are putting out right now.
04:58And it's also it's not a guitar record either.
05:01It's because I hate that kind of stuff.
05:03Like I, I, I, as I, as a guitar player, hate guitar music.
05:07I can't.
05:08No, you don't.
05:09I mean, if it's like, like, I think it's if it's just guitar and stuff, if it's like instrumental or something, I think it's boring.
05:15And that's just that's just my opinion.
05:17But I think it's boring.
05:18So when I was writing this record, I was like very adamant.
05:22I want these to be songs.
05:23I want them to get stuck in people's heads and I want them to be catchy.
05:27And so that was what was in my mind while writing it.
05:31And I think that comes out in those songs a lot.
05:34Well, it definitely does.
05:36And one of the things I love about this album is where it came from in terms of the the inspiration for it.
05:46And I read somewhere that it was inspired by your grandmother.
05:49Yeah.
05:49The name Wine on Venus came from her.
05:51Tell me a little bit about her.
05:53Um, well, she passed away maybe over a year ago now at the ripe old age of 100.
06:01Wow.
06:01So, yeah.
06:02And she was a very she's a very unique woman.
06:05She said some very off the cuff things in her older age.
06:09But she used to tell people that before she died or when she dies, she'll be drinking wine on Venus because it's the brightest star.
06:19And that kind of like I just kind of held on to that because that's that's such a cool phrase.
06:25And, um, it was something that she like repeated.
06:28It wasn't just like her being a bit a bit crazy.
06:31It was like she really believed that somehow.
06:35And so when she passed, uh, we went back home to California for Christmas and it was like the first time we had the whole family there at the dinner table and we were missing her because, you know, she wasn't there.
06:48Um, so we were all kind of like talking about her a bit and that story got brought up and I kind of like hung on to that.
06:57And when we came back to Nashville, I knew I wanted to write a song about it.
07:01So I sat down with Ben Chapman and Meg McCree and we that song is kind of like flowed out of us in like two hours.
07:08It was amazing.
07:10What was her name?
07:11Her name was Elizabeth, which is actually my middle name.
07:14And did y'all have a close relationship?
07:17Yeah, we were pretty close.
07:18I never really got to see her that often, but when I did, like it was a time I really cherished.
07:24Yeah.
07:25And she was on your mom's side or your dad's side?
07:28Mom's side.
07:29Grace, was she able to see what you could do with a guitar and appreciate some of the success that you've had?
07:37No, not really.
07:38The last time I ever saw her, I played guitar for her for the first time.
07:43Um, and I wasn't very good.
07:45So not really.
07:49Well, she's watching you now from somewhere.
07:52I like to think so.
07:54Grace, I've talked to a lot of people on this show, um, about moving to Nashville.
07:59Um, it's a little bit of a theme, you know, it's definitely a place that if you're interested in the music business, um, you know, it's, it's going to draw you in.
08:10And, and, uh, so many people have moved there.
08:13Um, I've talked to Darius Rucker and Keb Moe and Laney Wilson, um, Madeline Edwards, a lot of people you've probably come across.
08:23Um, but I don't think any of them moved there as young as you did.
08:28Tell me a little bit about your journey there.
08:31Um, I mean, your, your folks, you know, make this decision and you make this decision and you're moving across the country at, I guess you were 15.
08:39Um, you know, what was that like for you to just show up in that town that you hadn't, hadn't ever really spent a lot of time in, or maybe you'd spent a little bit of time there.
08:49But, um, you know, it just, uh, uh, it had to be a pretty dramatic change.
08:55And, and tell me about like, what was the trip like for you?
08:58Yeah.
08:58Well, in the beginning, it was hard for me.
09:01I moved, we moved when I was, I think I was 14 turning 15.
09:05So pretty young that I was also going into my freshman year.
09:08So, uh, to like kind of uproot my whole life and then go to a high school and start, start high school, uh, in a new state, in a new house, not knowing anyone, um, is pretty hard.
09:23I think for anyone, not just for me, like that sucks.
09:27Um, so there was a lot of resentment at first, for sure.
09:31And I was miserable.
09:33Um, I was miserable until I played, started playing.
09:38People would ask me to come and sit in with their bands, um, like at little clubs.
09:43And that's when I, you know, kind of found this community that lifted me up.
09:49And that's when I started to love Nashville.
09:51But yeah, at first it was definitely like a pretty big struggle.
09:55And it was also like kind of an off the cuff move.
09:59We, we visited and then sold our house six weeks later.
10:02So it was a, it was a very super fast.
10:05Yeah.
10:05Like just spur of the moment decision.
10:07Like, let's get the hell out of California.
10:09Uh, there's better schools out here.
10:10Cause I also have two little brothers.
10:12So it wasn't even like a move for music.
10:15It just, just so happened that, you know, it's kind of the best place to be for music, but, um, it wasn't in like a hundred percent intentional.
10:25Do you feel like the community has really embraced you?
10:29Um, I mean, and your, and your family, you know, moving into the city, it can be tough.
10:34It can be a tough place for people.
10:36Um, but it seems like you've, uh, adapted pretty quickly.
10:39Yeah, I would, I would say so.
10:40Like, absolutely.
10:42Um, and also like I was a completely different person versus now.
10:47Like when we first moved here, I was super duper shy.
10:51I was, I was pretty awkward.
10:53Um, you know, I was just, I was nervous about everything.
10:57Um, because I had never been around a community that was like, I never had a reason to be confident in anything until, you know, I started getting up on stage.
11:08And people would, again, just like lift me up.
11:11And that really helped me like find myself and this confidence, like guitar helped me find my confidence.
11:19I don't know what kind of person I would be if I hadn't gone through any of that.
11:22So I would say like Nashville has completely changed me as a person and for the better, for sure.
11:29I don't know how much you know about Southern living.
11:31Um, but, uh, you know, we, we've been, um, producing a magazine here for a long time, um, going on 60 years.
11:42Um, and a lot of what we talk about is food and I'm curious about what the change in the food was like for you.
11:50And, uh, tell me about your, your take on Southern food now that you're living in Nashville.
11:56Hot take.
11:57Like, I don't think Nashville is a good city for food at all.
12:02Like not in the slightest people, people always say it is.
12:06And it's not, I also don't like hot chickens.
12:09So this is not a good place to be.
12:12That is like, I miss California food so much.
12:15You know what I miss a lot that we don't have out here.
12:17What's that?
12:18Is frozen yogurt.
12:20There's, there's not a single frozen yogurt place in Nashville.
12:23And no one cares about that.
12:28And, but I do, I miss it.
12:31Well, there could be an opportunity there, Grace.
12:33If, if I had the time and money, I would absolutely open a frozen yogurt store in Nashville.
12:39Well, maybe somebody out there will hear this and, you know, be paying attention.
12:44Please.
12:46So what about cooking at home?
12:47I mean, who's the cook in your family?
12:49My mom.
12:50I, I can't cook anything.
12:52I can, I can make, I can make spaghetti and eggs and that's about it.
12:56What, what's her specialty?
12:58She is good at making chili.
13:00Okay.
13:01Which is good in the winter out here because it's so cold.
13:04Yeah, it sure is.
13:05Always a good idea.
13:06Well, Grace, you know, you've been playing with some incredible people, um, all over the
13:13country.
13:14Um, and a lot of whom I'm guessing you've met in Nashville, but you know, you've played with
13:19Blaney Wilson, uh, Dolly Parton, um, Tyler Childers, um, so many great artists.
13:29Tell me about someone who you've really kind of connected with, um, and who has influenced
13:36you in some way.
13:37I feel like everyone, like big name or not, that has let me sit in with them or play a show
13:44for them has influenced me in one way or another, like, especially with, with Dolly getting to
13:50work with Dolly.
13:51I don't know how old she is, but that lady was, was, and that's not to be mean, but that
13:55lady was, she was working all day and that's, that's not easy.
14:01And she was in heels the whole time too, which is just like another, another level.
14:06And I just like, I have so much after seeing her do what she does, I have so much respect
14:14for how hardworking of a woman she is.
14:18It was like inspiring for me.
14:20Like I thought, I thought it was a long day and I only had to play like two songs.
14:24She's, she's doing the whole show and you know, she's didn't even seem tired.
14:28So that was definitely like, um, it was, it was cool to see and very inspiring.
14:35Yeah.
14:35And she's been doing it since, uh, she was younger than you.
14:38Yeah.
14:40Which is even crazier.
14:42Yeah.
14:42Grace, there are so many celebrated male guitarists out there.
14:48Um, there, there are a lot of them.
14:52There are fewer female guitar players who are as, as well known, although there's, there's
15:00so many good ones out there and I've talked to some of them on this show, but, um, who
15:05are some of the female guitar players that you've followed or been inspired by?
15:09There, there's a lot, um, Nancy Wilson for sure.
15:13Um, she's always been, I've never, we've never actually met, which is crazy, but she's
15:18always been just a huge supporter of me and everything I do, which is amazing coming from
15:24someone like her, who I again, have so much respect for and someone who's been through
15:31the same things that I'm going through right now.
15:33So that's really cool to know that I have her support.
15:37Um, and then like, obviously Joan Jett is a, is another one.
15:41She was, she was the first female guitar player I ever saw when I was little.
15:48And that was cool because, you know, I, I hadn't seen anyone play guitar.
15:52That wasn't a dude.
15:54Um, so, uh, huge respect for her as well.
15:58Susan Tedeschi is awesome.
16:01Um, and then like other, like older ones, like, uh, sister is at a Tharp have been a
16:06big influence, uh, especially she's another SG player.
16:10There's so many.
16:11And I'm like, of course I'm blanking on like every single one right now, but there's, there's
16:15three for you.
16:16Um, well, you know, I've talked to, um, Lark and Poe, I talked to them on this show and
16:22they're, they're incredibly talented.
16:25Yeah.
16:25So many.
16:26Um, and I would think that, um, given your following, you're probably inspiring a lot
16:32of young guitar players yourself.
16:34Do you have, do you ever hear from them?
16:36Yeah, actually like that.
16:37That's my favorite thing is when someone messages me, like I bought an SG because of you, or I
16:43I started playing guitar because I was watching your videos.
16:46Like those are my favorite messages to get.
16:49Um, there was one time I was at the Gibson garage, which is, uh, downtown Nashville.
16:54And there was a girl there buying an SG, like literally holding an SG about to buy it.
17:01And she recognized me.
17:02It was like, Oh my God, I'm, I'm buying this guitar because you play it.
17:06And that was just like the best thing you could hear.
17:10I love that.
17:12I love that.
17:12Yeah.
17:13Grace, you've had some really big moments this year, um, and too many to count, but one
17:20that I wanted to mention was, uh, your 18th birthday.
17:26Um, he played at the Grand Ole Opry, which is a heck of a way to ring in 18.
17:32Um, tell me what it meant to you to be on that particular stage and what was that night
17:36like for you?
17:37Um, well, the Opry has always been like top of my bucket list ever since moving to Nashville.
17:42Because also one of the first shows I ever saw when we moved here was at the Grand Ole Opry.
17:47It was, um, Old Crow Medicine show with Keb Moe, which amazing combo.
17:53Um, so ever since seeing that show, um, so ever since seeing that show, that's, it's been a goal of mine to one day play the Opry and not for someone else.
18:00I wanted to do it under my name.
18:03And so I got the news, like John Osborne and then my family surprised me, um, when they told me.
18:11Um, and they also, they let me bring in my band too, which was really, you know, the Opry band are, they're, they're legends.
18:19But yeah, I was glad I got to do it with my band just because there's such a connection there.
18:24Um, so that, that was also another really cool aspect of the night was getting to have all of them up there with me.
18:31And then just like stepping into that circle for the first time at soundcheck and thinking of like all the people before me who have also stepped into that circle for the first time was, it was just like such a, such a cool moment.
18:45Well, I suspect it's not the last time you're going to be playing there.
18:48I hope not.
18:49Well, let's talk about your new album for a second, Grace.
18:54Um, it's called Wine on Venus.
18:56There are a lot of elements to it that are kind of a throwback.
18:59I mean, you've got this, you know, kind of retro sixties cover, which is great.
19:05Um, and you've got a cover in there of, uh, Dance to the Music.
19:10Yeah.
19:10Um, which was Sly on the Family Stone, right?
19:13Yeah.
19:14What is it about that song in that, that era that kind of speaks to you?
19:18That song was actually not supposed to be on there.
19:21We had, we had another song that was called Let It Be Done.
19:25We've played it live like five times and, um, it never really like did anything for the crowd.
19:31Just like me being on stage and watching their reactions.
19:34I, I feel like there wasn't, um, I don't know.
19:37There's just something about the song that wasn't connecting with people and it didn't really go anywhere.
19:41So we were in the studio and, um, both me and John both agreed like, yeah, we should probably cut this song.
19:49Um, so then I was like, oh crap.
19:51Well, I don't have another song prepared that we can record.
19:55Like this is like in the studio recording it.
19:58Um, so like, well, what about a cover?
20:00And I was obsessed with Sly, I still am obsessed with Sly and the Family Stone.
20:05So I suggested one of their songs and we sat down to do Everyday People and listening to it, you know, it's a great song.
20:15It's an amazing song.
20:16Um, but it's kind of boring.
20:19Like it doesn't, it doesn't do anything and it's, it's already been covered before.
20:23So then we were like, well, let's do, let's do something different and maybe a bit more fun.
20:29So we settled on that song, which I actually think was better in the long run.
20:34Um, because you know, the sound, our sound was very much influenced by Sly and the Family Stone.
20:39So I think it was cool throwing in a cover.
20:42Well, it's a great, it's a great cover.
20:44And I'm so glad you did that one.
20:46It just, it's so, it is fun.
20:48It's upbeat, you know, you can't, you can't hear it and not want to move a little bit.
20:53Um, so I, I'm sure that, you know, um, crowds are going to love that one and a great, great
21:00choice.
21:01Yeah.
21:01I want to ask you about John, um, Osborne.
21:04Um, he's been on this podcast and, uh, you know, this is John Osborne with the brothers
21:10Osborne.
21:11Um, he produced the album and, um, great guy, incredibly talented.
21:18Um, how has he helped you navigate the music world and navigate this whole process?
21:25I can't imagine doing this without John.
21:28Um, I mean, first of all, like he understood the sound I wanted and just like nailed it so
21:35perfectly.
21:35Um, and just being in the studio with him and working with him and hearing the ideas
21:42that he brought to the table, even if I was like, uh, I don't know about that.
21:45It seems kind of weird.
21:46He was like, just trust me.
21:47And then it ended up being great.
21:49Like there were, we had so many moments like that where his instinct was just like, it was
21:54just spot on.
21:55Um, so it was awesome having him produce it.
21:59And then like, even above all that, like I can ask, like, if I have a question about
22:04something, I'll ask John about it just cause, you know, he's, he's been through the same
22:08thing and he knows what's up.
22:11So, um, I'm definitely very appreciative of him.
22:14Well, it seems like a great match and he's also a tremendous guitar player.
22:18Yeah.
22:19Um, so it seems like y'all would have connected on that level as well.
22:22Yeah.
22:23There's a, there's another great song on the album, um, called tell you, tell me why
22:27you do that.
22:28And one of the co-writers on the song was John, right?
22:32Yeah.
22:33Talk to me about how that one came together.
22:36That song, actually, the chorus of that song was written by Ben and Meg in the same session
22:43we wrote Wine on Venus.
22:45Oh.
22:45And so after we had finished writing Wine on Venus, um, Ben had his guitar and he was kind
22:50of just jamming on this E chord and then they both start singing, tell me why you do that.
22:55And there weren't really any other words after that.
22:58It was just like, tell me why you do that.
23:00Um, but I thought, I thought it was cool.
23:02So, um, I hang on to that little chorus idea and I take it in to John and Lucy Silva's.
23:09Um, and then we fit, we know, we write verses to it and make it into a song.
23:15Um, but that, that one's definitely like very heavily funkadelic inspired.
23:21It's more definitely, definitely more on the funk side of things, which I like.
23:25Um, and yeah, that, that's just like a, a fun song.
23:30It's not really about like a singular person.
23:34It's kind of just a, a random fun song.
23:37Well, it works on that level.
23:39That's for sure.
23:39And it's, you know, it seems to be one that, uh, people are definitely responding to.
23:45Yeah.
23:46So your band is called the Hodgepodge, um, which I love.
23:50Was that, was that your idea?
23:52How did that come or come about?
23:53Yeah, it was, it's called the Hodgepodge because for a while I, I would get booked
23:58on shows and I didn't have a band.
24:01So I would have to group together like a bunch of musicians that I knew and just have them
24:08like be my band for a night.
24:11And then that was it.
24:12It was never anything permanent.
24:14So I like, as Joke called it, oh, it's a Hodgepodge.
24:17And then the more and more I played around, the more and more, you know, I found like the
24:22winning combination of people.
24:24And it's since then, like, you know, changed over time too.
24:27But I would say now it's like definitely more of a, like in place band.
24:34And it's not just like, it's not just session players or hired guns anymore, which is great
24:39because it's an actual band and, you know, we're all traveling and touring together, which
24:45I love and making music.
24:47So yeah, it's, it's not really a Hodgepodge anymore, but I'm going to keep the name.
24:52Well, it works.
24:56And yeah, it's a, it's a great name for a group.
24:59And if you ever do make changes, then it'll still work, you know?
25:03So I want to ask you about the, your partner and the lead singer kind of on the album, which
25:08is a woman named Esther or Essie.
25:11She goes by?
25:12AC.
25:12AC.
25:13Yeah.
25:14And you're going to have to help me pronounce her last name.
25:16I don't know if I'm going to say it right either.
25:18Or it's, uh, uh, Okai Tete, I think, but she, she just goes by AC now.
25:23AC.
25:24So yeah, it's easier.
25:26So tell me about your partnership with AC and what it's like performing together.
25:30Yeah.
25:31Well, me and her wrote, um, a good, almost like all of the songs together on that are on
25:38the album.
25:39Um, and a lot of them were written, you know, like late nights sitting on my bedroom floor,
25:43just jamming.
25:46And so that like, we have a really great way of songwriting together because we're, whereas
25:54I struggle on like the, the melody side is where she is the best at that.
25:59And then I'll write the music and then we both kind of collaborate on the lyrics.
26:03So it's a good, like kind of workflow we've gotten into with writing, which is cool.
26:08It's also like, I love having her out on the road with us.
26:10Like she's a great friend, like beyond just an amazing musician.
26:15Um, so yeah, she's, she's been great.
26:17Did y'all meet in Nashville?
26:18Yeah.
26:19She was actually one of the very first people I met when we moved here because, um, you
26:24know, as I said before, I had no friends when we moved out here.
26:26So during the summer, my mom made me do a rock band summer camp and, um, it just so happened
26:33to be at the high school she went to.
26:35So we met there and kind of stayed in touch.
26:38Well, you guys have a great connection and are making some great music together.
26:43Um, and, uh, I love the way that the, you know, seeing you perform live, um, I mean,
26:51I haven't seen you actually perform live, but seeing some of your performances and the
26:55way that, you know, you guys kind of trade back and forth with her vocals and your guitar
27:01playing, it's, it's, you know, it seems you can read each other's minds up there.
27:05Yeah, for sure.
27:06Grace, I've, I've seen that you're, um, involved a little bit with an organization called Music
27:12Cares, which is kind of all about helping the people behind the music, um, with things
27:19like mental health and, and other kinds of health services.
27:23Um, why did that organization strike a chord with you?
27:28Well, I'm, I'm, I'm very outspoken about like things I believe in.
27:33And, um, when I, the first time I ever like supported them was for a charity show I did
27:40called Grace Bowers and Friends two years ago.
27:42Um, and it was in response to the Covenant shooting because that was like 20 minutes away from me.
27:48And so that was kind of, it was in partnership with Music Cares, um, for gun violence and Nashville like showed out in such a huge way that I was like, wow, this is something that not only I care about, like other people care about it too.
28:06And so like, from there I was like, just wanting to speak out about everything after that, um, whether, whether, whether it made people mad or not.
28:16And also like, I personally know like so many people, especially being in Nashville that Music Cares has helped, like whether that be therapy or rehab, mental health services.
28:26There's so many things that they do for musicians that they might otherwise not be able to afford or just like certain circumstances, like they can't get those services for whatever reason, like Music Cares is there to help.
28:41And that's something that I really believe in.
28:43So I love supporting them.
28:45Well, it's a great organization and I hope, hope you keep working with them down the road.
28:49Well, Grace, I just have one more question for you.
28:52Um, I know you, I know you miss California.
28:55Um, and, uh, it sounds like you may be heading back there someday, but what are some of the things that you love most about living in the South?
29:06I like having four seasons.
29:07A lot of people come, a lot of people complain about the weather, but in California, it's like 70 degrees all the time and the trees never change.
29:16I remember our first fall out here cause we live behind a bunch of woods.
29:21And I was just amazed that trees could look like, like I'd only seen that happen in movies before.
29:28I didn't, I'd never seen it in person, like trees like that.
29:31So it's, it's beautiful down here.
29:33And I love that.
29:35And then again, like you have four seasons, it gets cold in the winter, gets hot in the summer.
29:40I like that.
29:41Um, and then obviously just the most incredible music community you could ever ask for.
29:49So there, there's a lot of, there's a lot of things to love about Nashville for sure.
29:53I hope you'll stick around for a while.
29:55And, um, I just got to say congrats on the album and, uh, the tour and everything you're doing.
30:04And then just hope you keep on rocking.
30:08And, uh, Grace Bowers, thanks so much for being on biscuits and jam.
30:12I appreciate it.