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00:00You know what? We asked you guys to give us the headlines that will be in the papers for either Monday after the Lions game or Sunday after the Michigan-Michigan State game.
00:14Man, you come true.
00:16Motown Meltdown, that's from Eric and FedEx. The Lions will be 0-3.
00:21Broncos Stampede Stafford from Brian Levere.
00:25Lions Bucked by Broncos from Dave Diff.
00:28I'm sensing a thing there, fellas.
00:31Let Denver win.
00:32But, yeah, I don't think many people...
00:35You know what we haven't talked about?
00:37What will the feeling be if they go out there and crush the Broncos?
00:42I think the feeling would be the fans will feel good that they finally got that win.
00:46And when I say finally, it's only week three, but we certainly thought they'd have one of the first two.
00:50And I also think that maybe, depending on how the game goes, you say crush the Broncos.
00:55What did we see in that game?
00:56Was the defense just that good?
00:58Or did the offense finally open up the playbook and, you know, reveal all of the talent that we think is there?
01:05Yeah, we saw everything that we wanted this Lions team to be.
01:08Then I think you say, hey, moving forward, maybe we do have a shot against Seattle.
01:12Maybe we do have a shot against Arizona.
01:12Yeah, Bear Bula goes out there and rushes for a buck 30.
01:16Stafford throws for three touchdowns.
01:18You know, like, we haven't talked about that.
01:21Like, what happens if they get it?
01:23Because we've all just, I mean, the listeners have all said, well, it's going to be the Broncos.
01:28That's called overreaction Monday for a reason.
01:30I think people will call in.
01:31You're going to have the people who say, oh, we're back.
01:35Stafford.
01:36Right.
01:36He's gritty.
01:37There won't be any questions about his toughness.
01:40Don't you get that free pass, though, as a fan?
01:42You do.
01:42Aren't you allowed to do that?
01:43I know you have your diehards that say, don't ever boo, don't ever give up on your team.
01:48You have to be there 100%.
01:49That's the, being a fan, you kind of set your own rules.
01:52Do what you want.
01:54I guess we call out people, though, that bail on their team and then come back when things are good.
01:58It's not realistic to make a fan be realistic.
02:02Or follow any rules.
02:03Right.
02:04Because it's emotion.
02:06Yeah.
02:06It's emotion.
02:06It's love-hate.
02:07And love makes no sense.
02:09It doesn't.
02:10You just do.
02:11Now, I will ask you this, especially you, Rob.
02:13Because you have to get here early.
02:15Sure.
02:16At what point, and what point is your cutoff point where you say, all right, that's it.
02:22I'm going to bed.
02:23Well, I said it earlier.
02:24And whether it's...
02:25Because the game starts at 830, right?
02:27Right.
02:27Which means it probably will start at like 845.
02:29Right.
02:30I mean, it's a late night.
02:32But you're looking forward to it.
02:34You want to see so many things in this game on Sunday.
02:37Because it's Peyton Manning, how do the Lions handle that?
02:39You want to see the home crowd.
02:41Are they as loud as they usually are?
02:42Which I think they will be.
02:44So you give it a chance.
02:46You're at least through halftime, I would say, most people, even if you have to get up early.
02:49But there's not a score or a deficit where you just pack it up and say, okay, that's it.
02:54I'm going to bed.
02:55I think all bets are off in any game or any late night Sunday event once there's nothing that's keeping you there.
03:03Because there are those moments where you're sitting there going, all right, next commercial, I'm going to bed.
03:07Or next turnover, their next offensive set of downs.
03:10If they don't do anything, I'm going to bed.
03:12But then all of a sudden they get a first downer.
03:14They get a field goal and you say, well, if they do this, they pull you back in.
03:17So it will have to do with the score.
03:20Man, I don't know how you do it.
03:22Because this new shift, and I love it, doing the 8 to noon, Monday through Friday, absolutely love it.
03:27But it's adjustments in late games.
03:30Sure.
03:31When you've got to pull the plug and say, I can't do this anymore.
03:34I can't.
03:35I'm losing valuable sleep time.
03:38If I had, you know, Derry's shift, he's got the perfect shift.
03:40He can stay up all night long watching West Coast, I don't know, Pac-12 volleyball games.
03:48Stay up all night in the man cave and still get up fresh and come in and do his show, him and Maz, from 12 to 3.
03:55That's true.
03:55But with every shift, you still have to learn how to juggle your personal life and things that you need to get done in the morning.
04:01Like, there are some things I would imagine D's can't get done while he's here in that time frame when he's on the air
04:07that he has to try to, you know, jam in before he gets here.
04:10Personally, for me, I'd rather just a blowout either way.
04:15Just a blowout by halftime, and I can just go ahead and say I'm done.
04:19Let's bring in Kevin real quick before we get to crosstalk.
04:22What's going on, Kevin?
04:25Kevin.
04:26Yeah.
04:40All right.
04:59Thanks for the call, Kevin.
05:00I disagree with that.
05:02I can't get on board with that.
05:04When the logic is, well, because the Lions just do that, then you hit rock bottom.
05:10Yeah.
05:10If you can give me something tangible, well, Stafford's going to come out here and he's going
05:14to pass for 350 yards.
05:16We're going to get the running game going.
05:18Amir Abdullah's going to put a buck 50 up, two touchdowns.
05:21Yes.
05:22I'll listen to that.
05:23Kevin was a fan.
05:25He threw out the Vegas angle, though.
05:26You'll notice he sprinkled that in there with his fandom, though.
05:29Kevin was a fan.
05:30Well, because Vegas doesn't want the Broncos to win, I don't think Vegas cares.
05:37Vegas doesn't care about neither team.
05:38What's up, fellas?
05:39What's happening, please?
05:40I think there is something to the line, though, and sometimes Vegas always knows.
05:46I mean, the fact that, what, Denver's a three-point favorite is that nobody's given up yet out
05:50in Vegas on the Lions and that they're looking at this as a pick-em game.
05:53If everybody says, ha, Peyton Manning's going to come out here and steamroll the Lions, the
05:57Broncos would be a six-point favorite.
05:58You know what?
05:59You know the line that really has me scratching my head is still Michigan favored by five and
06:04a half over BYU.
06:05Hello?
06:06It's up to seven.
06:07You're kidding.
06:08It's up to, it's moving, there's heavy steam on Michigan right now in Vegas.
06:13Trust me.
06:13Go to VegasInsider.com and look at all the sportsbooks.
06:16Some have it at six and a half.
06:17Some have it at seven now.
06:18Seven.
06:19How about that?
06:20I'm like crazy, right?
06:22Maz has our picks.
06:23You know, we're doing our picks today at 2.30.
06:27Maz had to change the sheet because he had it at five and a half yesterday.
06:31It's at seven now.
06:31Yeah, we had it at five and a half.
06:34How about that?
06:35How about that?
06:36Now that's when I'm like, okay, who knows something that I don't?
06:41This doesn't make sense.
06:42Who's that Irish playing in that pass?
06:43Go wake up.
06:44Irish has UMass.
06:46I'm awake.
06:47UMass.
06:48Here's the thing, though.
06:49Marcus Camby?
06:50Here's the thing.
06:51Lou Rowe.
06:52He's out.
06:53Carmelo Travieso?
06:55Okay, so it's up to seven.
06:57It's up to seven.
06:58It's up to seven, yeah.
07:01You, at this point, have who tomorrow?
07:04Point spread aside.
07:05I think BYU's going to win.
07:07Straight up.
07:08Yeah.
07:08Okay.
07:09I think they're better.
07:09You said the same thing.
07:10Yeah.
07:11I said the same thing.
07:12So all three of us picking BYU.
07:14This is even with point spread aside.
07:15I think they're better as well.
07:17Top 20 team at this point offensively.
07:18Good.
07:19I agree.
07:20Now, I think Michigan can run the football on them and pound them because their best offensive
07:24player is their nose tackle who's injured.
07:26But see, here's the thing about BYU.
07:28They've played three real games.
07:30They've played a very tough non-conference schedule at Nebraska, Boise State, and then
07:36at UCLA.
07:37Correct.
07:38So they're battle-testing.
07:40The big house won't intimidate them.
07:43And a backup QB doing well, I just think that they're going to win that game.
07:48I just think BYU's a better team.
07:50I do.
07:50I think they're good.
07:51And I'm not knocking Michigan.
07:53Oh, that's typical.
07:54Pasco's a Spartan.
07:56Irish, Slav, Eureka.
07:57No, no, no.
07:58I just think BYU's better.
07:59Right.
08:00That's why that point spread.
08:01I think Michigan can play there.
08:03They can win.
08:04I think, of course, they can win.
08:05What about the question this morning, then, during Ryan Enrico, that said, who has more
08:11to lose or what's the bigger win or loss this weekend, Michigan or Michigan State?
08:15I don't think this is close.
08:16I think the Spartans have way more on the line.
08:18Where Michigan is in that rebuilding process, where Michigan State is having to prove to
08:22the world they belong.
08:23No, see, I disagree, Rob.
08:24I think this is a defining game for Harbaugh.
08:27There's no patience anymore.
08:29To me, this should be year one of Harbaugh with a lot of his, not a lot of his own guys,
08:35and that if they had six, seven, eight wins, whatever, you'd see improvement, you'd be okay
08:39with it.
08:39That's not how fans think.
08:40To me, this is the first defining game.
08:42I'm giving them a pass for Utah.
08:44They just weren't ready.
08:45It was the first game.
08:46It was out west.
08:47They played okay.
08:48They weren't horrible.
08:49The quarterback wasn't good, but they lost to a better team.
08:52Then the next two, Cupcake City.
08:54This, to me, is a defining game.
08:55If you're, quote-unquote, Michigan, and you think you're taking steps toward getting to
08:59be back, you win this game Saturday.
09:01You do, and you're listening to WMGCFMHD1 Detroit.
09:06You're right.
09:06This is, I said this is their second test, because Michigan, their next, three of the
09:11next four games are against ranked opponents, but the beauty of-
09:14Northwestern's ranked?
09:15Northwestern's 17.
09:17But he didn't.
09:18Where have I been?
09:18He's, have you not?
09:19I know that they've won big games.
09:21They beat Stanford, but I didn't realize they cracked the top 25.
09:23Good for them.
09:24Yeah, they're like-
09:25Michigan always beats Northwestern.
09:26Yeah, those guys are so in it.
09:27Unless they're supposed to gain overtures.
09:28No, no.
09:28Northwestern loses on the last play of the game.
09:31Right, unless they go to overtime.
09:32Yeah, Northwestern's defense is, like, phenomenal.
09:35They're, they're only giving up, like, I think, like, eight, averaging eight points a game.
09:40Good for them.
09:40Like, no one.
09:41Fitzy's got them playing some good ball.
09:43So you get all three, you get three, you get three ranked teams all at home, and then
09:47you go out on the road to play Maryland at night.
09:50So your next four games, I think, will dictate what your season will be.
09:54Because three ranked teams, plus Maryland at night.
09:57Okay, now we're going to see.
09:59You're past Cupcake City, as you call it.
10:01These are real teams, week after week after week.
10:04We'll see now where Jake Brudock is, because he's your best guy by far.
10:10Well, I still think this is the throwaway season.
10:12I really do.
10:13Not that you don't want to win.
10:14Not that you don't care.
10:15But it's the one that you get the freebie because of what you took over, and the things
10:20you've promised are going to come down the road.
10:23Yeah, but they're a top 15 defense in the country.
10:25They have all those guys back.
10:27And our boss said it when he got the job.
10:30No rebuilder.
10:31This is greatness.
10:32So go win.
10:32You can say that, though.
10:33But do you guys really believe that?
10:35No, because the quarterback stinks.
10:36That's my thing.
10:38If they want to be a legit team, they've got to get a better quarterback.
10:40By the way, huge news.
10:43Huge news.
10:44I'm going to be talking about quarterbacks and Peyton Manning coming up, and just where
10:47he ranks, because I think there's a lot of people that go, but he's no Brady anymore,
10:51and he's old, and everything else.
10:53But look who's walking in, just absolutely beaming.
10:57You cannot find a happier man in this building than none other than Thomas Albert Mazaway,
11:03the pride, the mayor of St. Clair Shores, the salty snacks man.
11:07Why is he beaming?
11:08The black widow.
11:09Oh, let him just take the mic.
11:11Grab the mic and go up.
11:12Oh, this is that.
11:12This is all my story.
11:13Is Tennessee going to beat Florida?
11:14I'm bringing up Tom Brady a little bit, talking about Peyton Manning and the comparisons,
11:17with Manning coming to Ford Field Sunday night, and Mr. Hijack wants to take over.
11:21Grab that monkey wrench.
11:23Are you ready?
11:24We're ready.
11:25Yeah, Boomer and Carton.
11:26Boomer, he size him, and Carton, the big radio show in New York.
11:29FAN.
11:30NFL Source.
11:31Solid NFL Source.
11:33High-ranking NFL Source.
11:36To WFAN's Carton today.
11:39No doubt Tom Brady will serve his four-game suspension this season.
11:43Oh, God.
11:46He just, he just, he won't let it go.
11:47Wait, wait, wait, wait.
11:48He won't let it go.
11:49I thought, I thought it was over.
11:50No, so did I.
11:51So you're saying Chargers could still come?
11:54Wait, look at the smile on his face.
11:56He's so happy.
11:57He's so happy.
11:58Get over here.
11:59We're going to get a race video.
12:00What is Ross talk today first?
12:01Look at, he's beaming.
12:02I mean.
12:03A high-ranking NFL source told Craig Carton of WFAN, it's on like Donkey Kong.
12:09Maz is about to start whipping and nae-nae up.
12:12He really is.
12:12He's so happy.
12:13Look at, he's so excited.
12:16Son of a bitch.
12:17He just, he cannot, you know, he said to me, what time are we doing this?
12:20I said, we're not.
12:20We have Mark Schlereth today.
12:23We got Sean McDonough today.
12:25We got Marcus.
12:25We got a ton of stuff to do today.
12:27Adam Kaplan from ESPN got the picks.
12:29We're going to listen to a couple of contest hopefuls and applicants for Detroit's top talent.
12:36And so he says, well, we got to do this.
12:38I said, I go, just come in whenever you want.
12:40He's so happy.
12:41I can't even stop his momentum right now.
12:43See, I thought you were going to, I thought you were going to the whole lane.
12:46He's like Chris Warmly coming off the edge.
12:48ATFZ, do you have any more information?
12:50Right, right.
12:51I'm like, wait, ain't giving stuff broke?
12:53WFAN co-host Craig Carton said he was a very influential person in the NFL yesterday.
12:59Carton said that person told him there's no doubt in his mind, but he will serve a four-game suspension this season after the NFL's appeal is heard.
13:08Hmm.
13:09So are we going to see a whole new judge in this case then?
13:12Because the last judge appeared to be pro-pacery.
13:15Yeah, he's an appellate clerk, so a panel judge.
13:17You better lawyer up.
13:18Boomer said this.
13:20What this person doesn't realize is that they all felt the same way prior to Judge Berman's ruling.
13:26But what they didn't know was Judge Berman was going out to the Hamptons to hang out with Bob Kraft.
13:31What?
13:31Thank you, thank you.
13:33There were reports that surfaced before this that the judge had leaned towards the players in the past on certain issues.
13:41So that it was going to be a no-brainer, a home run for Brady.
13:44I just don't like the whole smug fan that laughs in the face.
13:47Ha ha ha, we got away with one.
13:49Brady himself.
13:50So now if this does catch up with him, even if it's not four games, even two or one, I would love to see it.
13:55At least something, man.
13:56Because you know he did it.
13:57Just give this up.
13:58He's had a long week.
14:00He's been really doing a lot of extra work.
14:02Mark Mass, he has a migraine, and when he saw this, did I tell you this?
14:08Did I send you this?
14:09You did.
14:09When I sent him this this morning.
14:11So it's your fault.
14:13You're an enabler.
14:14You're an enabler.
14:15Evidently.
14:15You tipped me off.
14:16Anytime there's Brady news, I send it right over to that man over there.
14:20If you're the NFL, you lost.
14:22There's other news.
14:23I'm with you.
14:24I'm ready to move on.
14:25Look, there's other news, too, about the NFL winning over the NCAA.
14:31Raph Handel?
14:32No.
14:32All right.
14:33Jim Harbaugh.
14:34Uh-huh.
14:35Dan Patrick talked about it on his radio show today.
14:38This was brought up by that Stu Gatz guy.
14:40Dan Patrick talked about it.
14:42Dan Patrick brought up Harbaugh to the Colts.
14:44Harbaugh to the Colts.
14:45Can we stop him?
14:46He's talking about it.
14:46It's not happening.
14:47Okay.
14:48I know it's not happening.
14:49You're not just saying.
14:50Jim Irsay and Jim Harbaugh, please.
14:53What?
14:53They'd be reunited at night?
14:55You can't have those two lunatics in the same building.
14:57Oh, that would be priceless.
14:58That would be gold.
14:59Just get a camera and follow them.
15:01Chuck Pagano is gone.
15:02Chuck Pagano is gone.
15:03And Ryan Grigson might be gone, too, because that Colts team was built very poorly by Grigson.
15:08Let me say this.
15:09Other than Andrew Luck.
15:10And I know people won't hear it.
15:12They'll be like, oh, you're afraid of Harbaugh.
15:14But think about this.
15:17Let's just say he entertained the thought and went to the Colts.
15:19He's not.
15:20You do realize it's a better chance for him to go to the Super Bowl next year than to win the Big Ten East.
15:27I think the Colts, because they play in such a piss-poor division and because they have a franchise quarterback, I think you think they're better than they are.
15:35And when people like Jim Miller, who also picked the Lions, picked the Colts to go to the Super Bowl, it's a sexy pick.
15:39That Colts defense, which actually didn't play all that poorly Monday night, is really, really bad.
15:44And the offensive line's bad.
15:46They don't have a running back.
15:47But there's a better chance for him to make the Super Bowl than to win the Big Ten East.
15:51He could be reunited with Frank Gore.
15:53Oh.
15:54He's not going there.
15:55Where do you park the spaceship?
15:56He just got Dan Armour.
15:58He's walking his kids into his old elementary school.
16:01He's loving it down there.
16:03Name the last coach that walked in and got a potential Hall of Fame quarterback before he hit his prime.
16:09Okay, the name of the last coach who committed to coming home and has been coddled and hugged and loved and caressed since he's been here.
16:19He's going to walk away from Ann Arbor after one year?
16:21Not really coming home, but didn't Bill O'Brien do that?
16:24No.
16:25I agree with Derek.
16:27No, no.
16:28Here's the thing, too.
16:29This was a situation just tailor-made for him.
16:32It was tailor-made for Harbaugh.
16:34And there were too many reasons for him to take it to not take it.
16:36Guys, take away the Michigan venom that I'm sure I'm going to get once I get on Twitter.
16:41You're in a lot of trouble.
16:42Think about this.
16:43Just like Michigan was tailor-made for him, this Indianapolis thing is kind of tailor-made for him, too.
16:49A little bit.
16:49Because he's reunited with Gore.
16:51He's reunited with Luck.
16:52I can see that.
16:53What does he have to prove?
16:54He was a Hail Mary pass away from going to the Super Bowl with the Colts.
16:57Aaron Bailey nearly caught it at Three Rivers Stadium.
17:00So, just saying.
17:02And you don't have to go out and draft a quarterback.
17:05You don't get some quarterback past his pride.
17:08He's committed to being here.
17:09You get your guy that you ruined.
17:11Rico, I'm not disagreeing that it's not a cool situation and he wouldn't have to move far.
17:15It's a four-hour drive from Ann Arbor, but no, no, no.
17:17It's one of those interesting.
17:18He's not going.
17:20They will rename Schembechler Hall before Harbaugh is done.
17:23I'm telling you, this guy's not going anywhere.
17:25He probably isn't.
17:26But it's something that just makes you think.
17:28You've got to look at it objectively.
17:30Guys, have a great weekend, huh?
17:32You too, man.
17:32Where are you going tomorrow?
17:34Maybe East Lansing?
17:34Dude, I don't know.
17:35It depends on how I feel.
17:36You need to sleep.
17:38No high school games for you tonight.
17:39I know how tempted you are with your other gigs and rivals and Rico getting back.
17:43I'm not doing anything.
17:44Sleep this way.
17:45I'm headed straight to the doctor right now.
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17:54It's a great weekend.
17:55All right, you too, man.
17:56Happy anniversary to Derek Jeter.
17:59One year ago tonight, he got that game when he hit against the Orioles.
18:02Oh, my gosh.
18:03Walked away.
18:04Walked away.
18:05Get them all out now, man.
18:06Major League Baseball, so my hat is off.
18:09Anyone who wants to have a great start to your weekend, go to YouTube and search Derek Jeter.
18:14Actually, I put it on Twitter.
18:15I put it on Facebook.
18:17Feel free to watch that five-minute extravaganza.
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