The Jeremy Kyle Show 20th November 2009
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00:00After all these years, because you was an animal?
00:03Yeah.
00:04You've done things that people wouldn't even dream about doing.
00:07The things that I've heard, the stories, it's just...
00:12So in the middle of the night, you get a letter?
00:15Yeah, it wasn't until the next day I found the letter.
00:17What did it say?
00:18It's that Bernard was dead, you know, and basically...
00:24Did it say what he died of?
00:26Something to do with alcohol.
00:27There was never no letter, there was never no death certificate, there was never none of that.
00:31That's all. Next.
00:32Hello and welcome now.
00:39So today I'm in London, this was the birthplace of the Jeremy Car Show.
00:48This, my friends, is where it all started over five years ago.
01:03I'm continuing that countdown to that all-important milestone of 1,000 shows.
01:07Now today, I'm going to catch up with ex-guests who contacted us looking for a reunion with absent loved ones.
01:13The one case in point was Dean.
01:14When he contacted my show, he hadn't seen his two sons for over 20 years.
01:19This is what he said when we first met him.
01:2120 years ago, you walked away from John and Darren.
01:26Yeah.
01:26What I'd like, first up, from you is the truth behind why that happened and how it's been for you.
01:37Back in 83, just before John was born, I get something ready to get to work.
01:45I go down to me, Dad's ready to get to work, and the old man says,
01:48We've got some work on.
01:50Fair enough.
01:51And away we go.
01:53The work we had on was a robbery.
01:56A jewellers.
01:58So I don't know none of this until we pulled up outside the jewellers.
02:02He's given me a pudlock, which is like a scaffold tube.
02:06Just smashed all them windows in.
02:07Yeah, fair enough.
02:08Bam.
02:08Smashed all the windows in.
02:10Gets all the jewellery.
02:11And away we went.
02:13Nobody got hurt.
02:14Everything was all right.
02:16The police come round.
02:18Arrested us all.
02:21I've got four years.
02:23So anyway, towards the end of my sentence, I'm on a visit in Winston Green.
02:29Geraldine's there, my ex, and my dad's there.
02:32And so I never missed a visit.
02:34And for some unknown reason, my old man's just grabbed all the Geraldine by her breast on the visit and messing about.
02:42And I've looked at my old man, I've gone, what the **** are you doing?
02:44You don't do that.
02:45Oh, I'm only messing about and all that.
02:47Yeah, you don't.
02:48Someone just twigged inside me.
02:50I said, that don't feel right.
02:53So anyway, the visit finished.
02:54They went.
02:54I went back to my cell.
02:56And being in jail, you tend to make a mountain out of a mould or you start thinking.
02:59So anyway, I thought, right, I won't tell them the day I'm getting out of jail when I'm being released.
03:07I'll surprise them.
03:08Anyway, I get out, goes down to the house, puts my key in the door, walks in the house.
03:13And John was there.
03:15He was about two, two and a half at the time.
03:18And he's gone, oh, Dean's here.
03:22I've gone, Dean.
03:23I said, you don't call me Dean, John.
03:25I'm your dad.
03:26No, I can't call you dad.
03:28Mommy and granddad said, can't call you dad.
03:30So fair enough.
03:31And with that, my old man's come running out of the living room and smacked me on the back of the head with a sleight hammer.
03:37And fair enough.
03:38Okay.
03:39I've gone out to the works van, got myself a chainsaw out the back of the van, started it up and started going through the front door with it.
03:48Luckily, I've run out of petrol.
03:51Yeah.
03:52So a lot of slangy match going on and all that.
03:57And I said, right, I know what's going on.
03:59My mom's not here.
04:00My dad's here.
04:01My kids are here.
04:03Geraldine's here.
04:04And my mom's not here.
04:06So what's going on?
04:07But there was no talking after that.
04:10So the same day, it all happened on the same day when I got released.
04:14I went round to where my mom was working.
04:17I told her what's going on and what happened.
04:19She didn't believe that my dad was anything going on between my dad and Geraldine.
04:24I said, well, I think there is.
04:25And if I stay here now, I'm going to do something.
04:29I will really regret.
04:33So it's entirely up to you.
04:34You can either come with me now, Mum, and it's just me and you, or I walk away from the lullier.
04:40And she said, well, you best walk then.
04:41So I did.
04:4220 years ago.
04:46Mm-hmm.
04:46You're not sitting here glorifying anything you did because, you know, as a man who's turned his life around, you had those feelings.
04:56You felt that you had proof.
04:59But for 20 years, you've, well, initially, you moved around and you lost it completely, didn't you?
05:05Oh, and clean off the rails, yeah.
05:07You walk away from a two-year-old and a baby.
05:11Mm-hmm.
05:11You haven't seen them in 20 years.
05:14No.
05:15Has a day gone by when you haven't thought?
05:19Why only now?
05:20I waited till, um, I waited till I was about 18 to give them the opportunity if they want to try and find me.
05:30Today is a massive day for you.
05:32Mm-hmm.
05:33Thoughts?
05:35I don't know what to expect.
05:36I know they're going to be angry.
05:38I don't know what they know of why I left.
05:42I don't know what they know for, so.
05:46OK, now join me after the break for a family confrontation.
05:50Dean will come face to face with the two sons that he's not seen in over two decades.
05:54Don't go anywhere, because I'm right back.
05:56You used to beat the hell out, my mum.
06:00You've come out here to Lloyd, didn't you?
06:02See you later.
06:03Go on, then.
06:04See ya.
06:11I don't know what to expect.
06:41And don't forget, you must be 60 years of age or over if you want to contact the show.
06:55Welcome back now to Dam in London.
06:56This was the birthplace of the Jeremy Carr show.
06:59Now, before the break, you heard from Dean.
07:01He had not seen sons John and Darren in nearly 20 years since he walked out on them.
07:06This is the moment when they met again.
07:08Have a look at this.
07:10You ready?
07:11Yeah.
07:12Ready as you'll ever be.
07:13Let's bring them on.
07:14John and Darren on the Jeremy Carr show.
07:15Welcome on, guys.
07:29I know you wanted to come on together.
07:30We met backstage.
07:31Start with you, John.
07:32You have a memory of 20 years ago.
07:36And if you're okay, you're right to share it with us.
07:39My memory of my dad is when I was three, standing next to my mum.
07:43My brother was in the cot.
07:45And all I can remember was my dad eating my granddad with a slight hammer.
07:49And then my granddad pulling out of his head, pulling it into my dad's head.
07:52And then that's it.
07:54He left.
07:54That was it.
07:55That was my last memory.
07:56And after that?
08:00Nothing.
08:01No contact?
08:03No contact.
08:04No phone call.
08:05No birthday card.
08:06No nothing.
08:07And your mum, who we asked to be on the show, but we'll explain later why she didn't want
08:14to be here, and your granddad brought you up?
08:18My granddad was my dad.
08:20He brought me up, gave me what I wanted, sold his house, and me and my brother and my mum
08:24could move in with him.
08:26And he kept chatting about him, my granddad and my mum, the nature of her, touching her
08:31visit and shit like that.
08:32That's...
08:33I was on the visit.
08:35I don't care.
08:35I was on the visit, he's done in front of me.
08:37I don't care.
08:38Simple as.
08:39Yeah, that's okay.
08:40I've been told what I've been told, and that's it.
08:42Right.
08:42And talk to your dad.
08:43Because there are, you don't understand this, John, right?
08:46There are two sides to every story.
08:47There used to.
08:48That's why I'm here today.
08:49Talk to him.
08:50I know you want to.
08:50We'll bring you on in a sec, Darren.
08:51Look at him.
08:53I can't.
08:57Feel like you're sitting next to your dad?
08:59No.
09:00Darren, you have few, if no memories.
09:03No memories.
09:04No.
09:04And as you were growing up, what did your mum and your granddad tell you?
09:10About my dad.
09:11That he was a wrong one.
09:14That he weren't worth it.
09:19Isn't the truth that, as a family, you went on the run?
09:22Hiding from him?
09:24Just get away from him, yeah.
09:26Went to Ireland.
09:28Lived in a convent.
09:29Because the four of you were scared of what Dean could potentially do?
09:33No, just the three of us it was.
09:35Only me and him and my mum.
09:37And my granddad come over and come and got us and brought us back to England, and he looked after us.
09:44And brought you up?
09:45Brought us up.
09:46He was my dad.
09:48That was you.
09:49And now?
09:53No.
09:54He's gone.
09:57You didn't know that, did you, Dean?
09:59What?
10:01Sorry to tell you, your dad's gone.
10:05My dad's gone.
10:06Your dad's gone.
10:07My dad's gone.
10:08My dad passed away four years ago.
10:30I knew that.
10:31I felt that.
10:33I felt that about three years ago.
10:35It's very strange, because he actually said,
10:37to the researchers,
10:40I had this feeling in 2001, didn't you?
10:42Which is, for me, extraordinary.
10:44It was not for us to tell you that that had happened.
10:47That was for your sons.
10:49I understand entirely where you're coming from.
10:51What do you want to say to him?
10:52What do you want to ask him?
10:54I want to know why you're back.
10:56After all these years.
11:00I want to try and get in touch with you to see if I can make up for lost time with you.
11:04And sort out and explain to you why, what happened, happened.
11:12And see if you can come to terms with that.
11:16I'm not here to jump in your lives and start trying to dictate anything to you.
11:22You're old enough now.
11:22You know what you're doing yourself.
11:23You're young men now.
11:25But when all this first started, when all this first happened, I was there.
11:33I saw what happened.
11:36I was convinced.
11:38And still, I was 110% certain then what was going on.
11:42If he had that feeling, it would drive you mad, wouldn't it?
11:47Yeah.
11:48Do you accept that?
11:49Yeah.
11:51Whether it would have taken 20 years from being straight with you.
11:55Mm-hmm.
11:55Okay.
11:58What do you want to ask?
12:00Because today's the chance, you know.
12:01I don't imagine that you'll be able to save it.
12:03Do you want from us?
12:04Do you want us?
12:06Do you want us?
12:06Do you want us to bring us on a show to get in contact with us?
12:09I've tried myself to try and find you, lads.
12:11Your ex, your mum, when contacted,
12:16why was her response one of complete and utter terror?
12:21She couldn't be in the same room as you.
12:24Was that because of how you treated her?
12:27And I touched upon it earlier, or was that because of other things?
12:31Not so much the way I treated her, but what I was like.
12:34When I was in my teens and 20 and all my 20s, up to like 37,
12:45I was evil.
12:47I was evil.
12:48I wouldn't think choice, just walking in and boom, boom, boom, boom,
12:52walking out.
12:54But the money came home.
12:56I think what Dean's trying to say, guys, as well,
12:58is that everybody can change.
13:01Do you accept that, John?
13:01If I hadn't gone to prison, if I never went to prison,
13:03then we wouldn't be sitting here now.
13:06I'd be in their lives anyway.
13:07No.
13:07If I hadn't gone to prison that time.
13:11Of course I would have done.
13:13Why wouldn't I?
13:14Because you was an animal.
13:16Yeah.
13:16You've done things that people wouldn't even dream about doing.
13:20The things that I've heard and the stories, it's just...
13:25I don't know, man, it's just...
13:29You're being told one side of things.
13:31You used to beat the hell out of my mum.
13:34That's f***ing.
13:35Do you know what I'm not, John?
13:36You terrorised my mum.
13:37You terrorised your own, mum.
13:39That's f***ing.
13:39You've come out here to lie, then, I'm f***ing.
13:42See you later.
13:42Go on, then.
13:43See ya.
13:46Excuse me one second.
13:48Nah, I ain't gonna f***ing bother with them, either.
13:50Waste of f***ing space, then.
13:55The thing about moments like this and days like this,
14:01you know, all we can try and do is get people to say their peace.
14:05You've obviously heard stuff.
14:06What I'd hoped, what I do hope, is that somewhere down the line,
14:11with as open a mind as possible, you can sit and talk.
14:13Could you do me a favour?
14:14I'm just going to sit with your brother while I'm trying to do with your dad, yeah?
14:16Is that all right?
14:16OK, you've been really brave today, and I appreciate it, yeah?
14:19Good man.
14:19John's back.
14:20Just don't walk away from me.
14:22Just stay there and we'll do our best, all right?
14:24OK.
14:24Good night.
14:27I have no right to say this to you, but I'm going to.
14:35Look at me.
14:36It's taken 20 years, right?
14:38Yeah.
14:38Easiest thing in the world, swear, swear, position, position.
14:41But let's not waste this.
14:41Look at me, right?
14:42Let's not waste this, OK?
14:44There is bound to be stuff that's been said.
14:46Maybe it's been embellished.
14:47Maybe it's not true.
14:48People have made mistakes.
14:49You know, and actually you came out and I said it.
14:51You were really, really honest.
14:53This is 20 years of hurt, OK?
14:55This is 20, it is an absolute joke if after all this time and all these efforts of people
15:00and how much it beats inside there that either of you walk off the stage.
15:03So we're going to do this, OK?
15:05It's not going to happen in five minutes on a TV show.
15:06This is going to take weeks, months, years, but you want to do it, don't you?
15:09I'd like to do it, but I can't fight brainwash.
15:13No, no, look at me, right?
15:15I'm speaking now.
15:16You're going to listen to me.
15:16Yes, you can, but you won't do it in five.
15:18Do you understand?
15:19This might take five years.
15:21This might take ten years.
15:22But you know all those times when you sat there and that was in your head
15:26and you think they've been told and you can't get near them.
15:30You're 20 yards from them now.
15:32Let's not throw it away, yes?
15:33Come on.
15:34Yeah.
15:34Come on.
15:35Come on.
15:37Dean's back.
15:40Yeah?
15:40All right?
15:41OK?
15:45The one thing.
15:47You know, there is a bond, there is a link.
15:49Isn't there?
15:51No.
15:51No.
15:52But it's something you've got to work at, isn't it?
15:57I'd like to, yeah.
15:58Would you like to?
15:59Don't you want to hear what he has to say?
16:01Can't be brainwashed.
16:02I've listened to what he's got to say all day long, but...
16:05Never changed the fact that he won't know, innit?
16:09That's true, yeah.
16:10I just, I just think this is an opportunity and you have every right.
16:15You as well, Daz, yeah?
16:16You, Dino.
16:17If it doesn't work, it doesn't work.
16:19But are you three actually saying you can't spare one hour?
16:22Back there, controlled environment, everything out.
16:25Spill it.
16:25Do it.
16:26Yeah, it can do.
16:29It could work.
16:31It might not.
16:31But you'll know.
16:32Is that true?
16:34Mm-hmm.
16:34At least I can close the chapter now.
16:37And get on with my life now.
16:38It's up to you guys, but...
16:40Use us.
16:41Use us backstage for an hour.
16:42You'll lose nothing.
16:43You can go in separate directions.
16:45Later today, done.
16:48One hour?
16:50Yes or no?
16:51Yeah, I'm up for it.
16:52One hour, yes or no?
16:54Yeah.
16:54One hour, yes or no?
16:55Yeah, I can give it a go.
16:57But I ain't gonna...
16:58I ain't gonna...
16:59No, no.
16:59Look at me.
17:00Look at me.
17:01I don't expect and neither should you do anything, okay?
17:03One hour.
17:04Yeah.
17:05One hour?
17:06Respect you.
17:07Dino?
17:09An hour?
17:11Yeah?
17:12Droid.
17:13One thing.
17:13Just say everything.
17:18This could be the most important hour of your lives.
17:21It's not a waste, is it?
17:2260 times around the clock, it's gone.
17:25With us, backstage, away from this lot, away from me, away from that.
17:28Do it, yeah?
17:29Droid.
17:30Okay.
17:31For now, ladies and gentlemen, Dean, John and Darren on the Jeremy's House.
17:40What do you want to ask your dad?
17:42What do I want to know who's...
17:43What would...
17:44What would everyone tell me things about you?
17:50What would they like about you?
17:52Yeah, man, I'm so...
17:54Such a close, tight-knit family.
17:56Up until...
17:57This...
17:59Until all this happened.
18:06I lost you two, that's it.
18:09I didn't know what to expect today.
18:10From both of you, obviously.
18:12I know you're angry, and I know you're upset, and I know you must be well...
18:16Which I can accept.
18:18Okay, well...
18:18What I'd like you to do, Dean...
18:20And if you're prepared to do this...
18:23I think it's time to tell them something.
18:26I think you need to apologise.
18:28Yeah.
18:29I wish I had to say it.
18:38I'm sorry I didn't.
18:45I know you...
18:46It's...
18:47I am really sorry for...
18:53But at the time, it was the best thing of all round.
18:59And I am really sorry for not being there.
19:01All three of you are adults now.
19:05And if you want to shake hands, you can also do that before you leave.
19:08I don't want to shake hands.
19:10You don't?
19:11I want it all good.
19:12That's what I was just about to say.
19:13I'm going to say.
19:15We don't know which way to go, yeah, hey...
19:18Because we're ordinary people...
19:22Maybe we should take it slow...
19:26Hey, hey, we're just ordinary people...
19:31We don't know which way to go...
19:35So I contacted them all recently, and this is what they all had to say.
19:38Dean tells us,
19:39Jez, we had our problems at the beginning,
19:41but now everything is sound between us.
19:43I do still have my regrets about not being there when they were growing up.
19:46But I'm so happy with the way that everything has turned out.
19:48And I'm just so glad that I called your show that day.
19:51John and Darren tell me,
19:52Our relationship with Dad has come on leaps and bounds.
19:54Since meeting him on the show, our life has changed for the better.
19:57We can now feel complete.
19:59And we couldn't be happier, which is great.
20:01Good luck to them.
20:02A happy ending.
20:03And I wish them the very best for the future.
20:05Now join me after the break with another emotional reunion,
20:08only here on The Jeremy Kyle Show.
20:10I've still got my son's name on my hat.
20:11Oh, well, I'll tell you what, ladies and gentlemen of Great Britain,
20:14that's what you want to do if you want to be a good father.
20:16Get the name of your child, Pat, do that,
20:18and then don't see him.
20:19Be quiet right now.
20:20I didn't say anything about it.
20:21You haven't seen him for 18 years.
20:30So imagine this unbelievable scenario.
20:33You're the young mother of a small baby.
20:34You discover your ex is cheating.
20:36You throw him out.
20:37Sometime later, you get a letter saying that he's died.
20:40You have the most harrowing experience to tell your kid as he grows up that his dad is dead.
20:44Then some years later, you and your son turn on the television.
20:47It's the Jeremy Kyle Show.
20:48And his dad and your ex walks onto the stage.
20:53So you've split with the father of your baby.
20:56He's a drinker.
20:57You're trying to get on with your life.
20:58You make arrangements for him to come and see you.
21:00Sometimes he turns up.
21:02Sometimes he doesn't turn up.
21:03And then one day, through the door,
21:06did you see who put it through the door?
21:08Sorry?
21:08Did you see who put it through the door?
21:10No, because it was in the middle of the night, it was.
21:12So in the middle of the night, you get a letter?
21:14Yeah, it wasn't until the next day I found the letter.
21:16What did it say?
21:18I can't remember exactly what it said, but I remember.
21:20It was quite important.
21:21It's that Bernard was dead, you know, and basically...
21:27Did it say what he died of?
21:28Something to do with alcohol.
21:30Right, alcohol-related death.
21:31Yes, yes.
21:32And there was a death certificate.
21:34Yeah, with the letter.
21:35A genuine death certificate.
21:36Yeah.
21:37Saying his cause of death was...
21:39To do with alcohol, alcohol-related.
21:41Well, you presumably kept the letter and the death certificate.
21:43I did, yes, but obviously I've moved around since then,
21:46and it's just been lost.
21:49Right.
21:50Your son, um...
21:53Actually, before I ask you that, who was the letter from?
21:55It didn't say, because it didn't have a stamp on,
21:58because it was just posted through the letterbox.
22:00It didn't say anything.
22:01Did you try and ring Bernie?
22:03Did you try and verify with his family, or maybe...
22:06I did try to verify with his family.
22:08Now, you'd had, and this is really central to the story,
22:11despite the fact that you got this letter,
22:13you'd pre-arranged to meet somewhere,
22:15and you thought, maybe somebody's just stirring it,
22:17you know, it's a drunken joke or whatever,
22:19so you went to meet him?
22:20Yeah.
22:21Was he there?
22:21No, I waited for over an hour,
22:23and then I decided to go home.
22:24And you never, ever heard anything from him again?
22:27Never.
22:28In all of the years.
22:29Now, Chris grew up with your then partner,
22:32who was his stepdad,
22:33but was blissfully unaware of this whole scenario.
22:36Did you sit him down and tell him
22:37that his stepdad wasn't his real dad?
22:39Yeah, when he was 11 years old, we did that.
22:4111?
22:41Okay.
22:42His reaction?
22:45He asked about his real father,
22:47and we talked about a lot of things,
22:50and, you know, he said,
22:52I'm happy with the dad that I have.
22:54Did he ask any questions?
22:55You said he died of an alcohol-related disease,
22:57and that was it?
22:59Yeah, he just said,
23:00did you always drink, Mum?
23:01And I said, well, yeah, he did, Chris.
23:03So we go full circle,
23:05and this is what you've thought,
23:06and this is what you've known,
23:08and then one morning,
23:09you tune into our show,
23:11and out comes Birdie,
23:12as you just saw him in all his glory,
23:14arguing with his partner.
23:15You must have just...
23:16Well, I don't know, what did you do?
23:18I was absolutely horrified.
23:19I just stared at the TV,
23:21and, you know, rang my mum and said,
23:22Mum, tape it,
23:23because I need to show Chris this,
23:25and I just thought,
23:26I just...
23:27Did people come back to life then?
23:30Can I ask you a very, very straight question?
23:33Would Bernard have been better off, Dad,
23:35in terms of you bringing up your son?
23:37Yeah.
23:46You've got some good lies, haven't you?
23:49What a lie.
23:52How can you say that I sent a death certificate and a letter?
23:55Come on.
23:56I do believe you did.
23:57There is a question, Bernie.
23:59Welcome back, my friend.
24:00All right.
24:00If she...
24:02Well, I don't know what you're saying.
24:03You're denying that the letter was anything to do with you.
24:05Of course it was nothing to do with me.
24:06Then where the hell have you been for the last 17 years?
24:09Why don't you try and find your son and do something about it?
24:11At the time, when I was in Northampton,
24:21I thought that it would be the best thing.
24:24Karen was in another relationship, and...
24:27Best thing for you or best thing for him?
24:29No, the best thing for my son, actually.
24:31So I've decided I would walk away.
24:34Then why didn't you tell her?
24:35I don't know that.
24:38I don't know.
24:38I just walked away.
24:39I went to Wellingborough.
24:41Because it's gutless.
24:41It doesn't matter where you went.
24:42Yeah, I know.
24:42You walked away from your own flesh and blood
24:44without so much as a backward glance,
24:46and you did nothing for the next 17 years.
24:48Yeah, I thought it would be the best thing.
24:50But as for this note,
24:52I'll tell you what I think you ought to do.
24:54Take a lie detector,
24:55because I'm willing to take one.
24:57I'm willing to take one.
24:58I don't need to.
24:59I'm an honest person.
25:00Yeah, I think you do,
25:01because I am willing to take one.
25:02What are you saying, then?
25:03What are you saying?
25:03She's lying.
25:04Why is she...
25:05Because it's a lie.
25:07It's a lie to keep Crystal out of my life.
25:09No, but you just said
25:10that you could have done more to a fan, Chris.
25:12I could have.
25:12I could have, but...
25:13You just said I walked.
25:15You didn't say she prevented me.
25:16You haven't tried once to see your son,
25:18so irrespective of whether you're responsible
25:20for that letter and that death certificate or not,
25:23she's not sitting there saying she stopped you.
25:25In fact, you're here today to meet your son.
25:26Look me in the eyes.
25:27You haven't done enough to see your son,
25:29because you picked your own life
25:31and the bottle over being a dad.
25:32That is the truth, isn't it?
25:34Yes, I did walk away.
25:35Yes, I did walk away.
25:36And you picked booze.
25:37So how has she stopped you from seeing him,
25:39then, if you've chosen to walk?
25:40Well, it's a lie to me.
25:41That poor little...
25:42How can that poor kid think,
25:44after all these years...
25:45For a second,
25:46how can that poor kid backstage think
25:48that his father didn't give a damn for 17 years
25:51and would rather have a drink?
25:53It shouldn't have been thought that I'm dead.
25:56The kid shouldn't have been thought that I was dead.
25:58What would have been better, then?
25:59I'll tell you what,
25:59your dad's so drunk,
26:01he doesn't give a damn about you.
26:03I did give a damn about him.
26:05What's better,
26:06that your son thinks
26:06you're no longer on this earth,
26:08or your son thinks
26:09you're a hopeless alcoholic
26:10who can't be bothered, right?
26:12Answer that.
26:14Well, I wouldn't allow myself
26:15to tell him that I'm dead.
26:17I wouldn't do...
26:18Okay.
26:19So you think that somebody else
26:20put the letter and the death...
26:22Yes, I did.
26:23There was never no letter,
26:24there was never no death certificate,
26:25there was never none of that.
26:27And here's the other thing
26:27that I don't get.
26:28There are two things
26:29I need to flip this
26:30because it has to be balanced.
26:31You can't get a death certificate.
26:32You can't just go,
26:33what kind of death certificate?
26:34A written out one or something,
26:36kind of piece of paper,
26:37or a proper one from Northampton,
26:39because you need to get it from Northampton,
26:40a death certificate.
26:41Why didn't you keep it?
26:42Well, I did keep it.
26:43There weren't one.
26:44There weren't one.
26:45I did keep it.
26:46There weren't one.
26:46And here's an interesting...
26:47There weren't one.
26:49Here's an interesting point, right?
26:52Answer this.
26:53Was it easier to tell your son
26:55that his father,
26:56the hopeless alcoholic
26:57who let you down repeatedly,
26:59had died?
27:00Wasn't that easier for you?
27:02No, because I've always been honest with Chris
27:04and he would have eventually found out himself
27:06and made his own decision.
27:09Tell me what's happened now,
27:09isn't it, because he has found out...
27:11He has found out...
27:12Well, that's another thing.
27:13Let's flip it the other way, right?
27:14How old's your son?
27:1618.
27:16You haven't asked one damn question
27:18about your boy
27:19in the five minutes you've been on this stage.
27:20All you've done is talk about the death certificate.
27:22Yeah, I've been asking next door.
27:23I've still got his name on my arm.
27:25I've had that...
27:25Your name's Gonskid.
27:26I've still got my son's name on my arm.
27:28Oh, well, I'll tell you what,
27:29ladies and gentlemen of Great Britain,
27:31that's what you want to do
27:31if you want to be a good father.
27:33Get the name of your child, Patu, there,
27:35and then don't see him.
27:36Be quiet right now.
27:37You haven't seen him for 18 years.
27:40No, I thought at the time
27:42it would be best for me to go.
27:44Because it was easier to go and get drunk
27:46than see your own son.
27:47Come on.
27:48My life hasn't been like that.
27:49Oh, life's been hard, has it?
27:50No, no, I didn't say that.
27:52You haven't stopped drinking, have you?
27:53Because six weeks ago,
27:54you were throwing it back.
27:55Yeah, no, it was a bit longer than that.
27:57Oh, right, okay.
27:57Eight weeks, ten weeks.
27:58It's calmed down a lot now.
28:00Your son has not known you,
28:01and if you had fought...
28:03Let me tell you something.
28:04Even if there is something
28:05slightly suspicious about the...
28:06Can I have a few questions in a minute, right?
28:09You, I go back to it,
28:10have done zilch in the last 17 years.
28:14And you've been drinking for 20 years,
28:16non-stop, without changing,
28:17and you expect to come here today
28:18and your son must embrace you with open arms.
28:20No, I don't expect that at all.
28:22I don't expect that at all.
28:23I thought it was the best thing
28:24I'd done when I walked away.
28:25For you.
28:26It's all about you.
28:26No, no, no.
28:27He's putting...
28:28Did you ever ask him
28:29if it was best for him?
28:30It was a one-year-old kid.
28:32Why don't you try asking him?
28:33This is your son after 17 years,
28:35Chris, ladies and gentlemen.
28:49He's angry with you.
28:50I know you're like...
28:51I'm sorry, son.
28:53No, I'm not you.
28:54I really am sorry, man.
28:55Sit down, because...
28:56He's angry with you.
28:57I'm sorry, man.
28:58You need to give him some time.
28:59I'm really, really, I'm sorry, Chris.
29:04You all right?
29:04I'm sorry, man.
29:05He needs time.
29:05All he's seen you is...
29:06Yeah, well, let's...
29:07I've heard from you two.
29:08Thanks, son.
29:09You OK?
29:11Talk to me, pal.
29:12Nothing.
29:13It's just...
29:14Like, my mum's brought me up
29:15the best way she can,
29:16and he comes on here
29:17shouting at my mum.
29:18It's just...
29:19pathetic.
29:27Um, when you were growing up,
29:31your mum told you
29:32that your stepfather
29:33was not your father.
29:33How old were you?
29:34Oh, I was...
29:37About 11, I think they told me,
29:39because...
29:40How did you react?
29:41Nothing.
29:42I didn't know what to do.
29:43Just...
29:44Um...
29:46You, um...
29:46I didn't believe it, for one,
29:48because I've known him
29:49to be my dad all this time.
29:51Did you, at that moment,
29:52when you find out that this guy
29:53has brought you up
29:54is not your biological father,
29:55is the first question you had,
29:56well, why hasn't my existing dad
29:58given a damn, really?
29:59Yeah, exactly.
29:59What did your mum say?
30:01Nothing.
30:01Just gave me every answer I needed.
30:03There was never nothing.
30:04There was no lies there.
30:05There's no lies
30:06like he's bringing up there to me.
30:09She's done the best she can,
30:10and he's done nothing.
30:13And I'll tell you something.
30:14Whatever happens
30:14in the next few minutes
30:15on this stage,
30:16fair play to you, madam,
30:17because he's fantastic
30:18at 18 years of age,
30:19and I mean that.
30:21What have you missed out?
30:26So you merrily go through your life,
30:31this information in your head,
30:32and then some weeks,
30:33months ago,
30:33your mother tunes into this show
30:34and she sees your dad
30:36remonstrating verbally
30:37with his partner.
30:38Exactly.
30:39She tells you.
30:40What did you think?
30:40Did you see it?
30:41Yeah, I had an exam
30:42and I come back home
30:44after my exam
30:45and I watched it
30:46and it was going on about it.
30:47She stabbed him in the cheek,
30:48broke his foot.
30:49I've never seen that
30:50in my whole life.
30:51I don't want to be
30:52brought into that.
30:52What did you think of him
30:54when you saw him?
30:55Just disgusted.
30:56It made me sick.
31:00I can't even look at him.
31:01It makes me sick.
31:07If he had stayed in your life
31:09and you hadn't been told
31:12that he died,
31:13things might have been
31:15very different, right?
31:16No, because he's always a drinker.
31:18You can tell he's a drinker now anyway.
31:20Look at him.
31:22You've got nothing to say to me
31:26but you can slug off my mum.
31:28Because your mum's lying.
31:29She's not lying.
31:30She's lying.
31:30I never sent a letter
31:32and there was no death certificate, mate.
31:33It was just an easy way out for your mum.
31:35No, it wasn't.
31:36Easy way out.
31:37Hold on a second.
31:38We'll do this really calmly.
31:39Burn up with beer.
31:40Burn up with beer.
31:40Just to choose beer over me
31:42makes me sick.
31:44You better answer that, mate,
31:45because it doesn't matter
31:46about a death certificate.
31:47She's been there for 17 years.
31:48I'm sure she has made mistakes.
31:49You've been nowhere
31:50but with your nuzzle down a bottle
31:52and this one's just said it.
31:53At 18, how intelligent is he?
31:55You picked beer over me, Dad.
31:57You answer that.
31:59It's awesome.
32:00I really, really am.
32:02I'm so sorry, Dad.
32:02You have questions for your dad, don't you?
32:04Yeah, loads.
32:06I wanted to answer that, mate.
32:08Honestly.
32:08I'll answer anything you want.
32:10What we're going to do,
32:15as we always try and do,
32:17is put you in a controlled environment.
32:21I think the fact that everybody's made the effort
32:23to come today,
32:24it would mean and make sense, right,
32:26if you were able, with help,
32:29to ask him those questions.
32:31Yeah?
32:32Do you want some advice?
32:34Stop blaming the rest of the world
32:36and take some responsibility.
32:37You see, I don't know if you've got a chance, Bernie,
32:39but you know what?
32:40Your current partner,
32:41some letter,
32:42the bottle, whatever.
32:43About time you put your hands in the air
32:44because he's fantastic.
32:46Bernie, that way.
32:46You two, that way.
32:47We'll meet backstage.
32:47Give him a round of applause.
32:48Thank you very much for today.
32:49Well, that story ended well.
32:53It didn't, I'm afraid,
32:54to tell you last long.
32:55The family are now once more estranged,
32:57but we wish them all
32:58the very best for the future.
32:59Now, join me after the break
33:00when on my stage,
33:01a man who had not seen his mother
33:03for eight years
33:04is reunited once again.
33:05I'm right back.
33:06You should have believed him, Mum.
33:08Well, I'm not saying I didn't believe him.
33:11But where did the iffy bit come from?
33:13What was it?
33:13What way do you think it was iffy?
33:15Because there were certain things
33:16that you were saying
33:17that didn't add up.
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33:57Hello and welcome back.
34:07So as you can see,
34:07today I'm in London.
34:08This is where it all began
34:09nearly five years ago
34:11where we recorded our first ever episode
34:12of the Jeremy Kyle Show.
34:14And you know what?
34:14In those early days,
34:15people had to walk up and down
34:16with sandwich boards saying,
34:18please sit in the audience.
34:19Today, thousands queue every week.
34:21So thank you very much indeed for that.
34:22Now, I'm looking back today
34:24and my next guest is Tony
34:25who hadn't seen his mum Eileen
34:27for eight years,
34:28eight long years,
34:29since he told her
34:30that he'd been abused as a child.
34:32This is what happened
34:32when they met on my stage.
34:34My mum was an alcoholic.
34:36I was passed out to family members.
34:40Obviously, they couldn't cope,
34:41so I went into care.
34:42In the time that followed,
34:45did you have contact with your mother?
34:48Not as such, no.
34:50It was...
34:51Contact would be made or arranged
34:55and I'd be sort of like dolled up to,
34:57you know, Sunday best going out with mum
34:59and you'd sit by the window
35:01and I'd sit by the window all day and...
35:03You remember that?
35:04Oh, yeah, you know, she'd never...
35:08She wouldn't turn up.
35:10But I've always said
35:12that I have never resented anything
35:15because everybody has problems in their lives
35:18and people deal with things differently
35:20and she dealt with them differently.
35:22There was abuse?
35:23Yes.
35:23How old were you then?
35:24Eleven.
35:26I guess at that moment in time,
35:27bless your heart,
35:28the one person you needed was your mum
35:30and she wasn't there.
35:30And what's astonishing about your story
35:32is, you know, you grew up,
35:35your mother was an alcoholic,
35:36you were put into care,
35:38there was abuse,
35:40you grappled with your own sexuality,
35:42you came out,
35:43you've lived your life
35:44and yet you never ever told your mother
35:46about that abuse
35:47until eight years ago.
35:49Why?
35:49Because it needed to come out.
35:53It had to be said
35:55and people had to know
35:56because in the back of my mind,
35:59I thought this person had got away with it
36:01for so long.
36:02What did she say, your mum?
36:04The phone was taken off my mum
36:08and my aunt then took the phone
36:11and said,
36:12your mum's in tears,
36:13what have you said?
36:14So I re-explained it all to my aunt
36:17and her exact words were,
36:20why bring it up now?
36:21Why shouldn't it have stayed in the past?
36:24So for years you couldn't speak to anybody
36:25and when you decided to speak to your mum,
36:27you didn't get the reaction.
36:29No.
36:29Do you believe,
36:30very briefly,
36:32do you believe that she believes you?
36:34Um,
36:35I think she might have doubts.
36:38Do you feel let down
36:41that she wasn't there for you?
36:44Well, yeah.
36:45No child should have to deal with that on their own.
36:47Did you believe
36:48that your relationship with your mother
36:52would ever improve?
36:53I know you're here today
36:53desperately wanting to build bridges,
36:55but has she failed you, being honest?
36:56Yes.
36:57Why haven't you spoken to her for eight years?
37:00I've, I've, um,
37:01I've had no,
37:03no way of getting hold of her.
37:05I did have her,
37:05I, I'll be quite honest,
37:07I did have her phone number
37:08and because I'd,
37:10I'd not got the response.
37:11But the truth is, come on, come on, listen.
37:13I deleted the numbers.
37:14It was after you told her about the abuse,
37:16the reaction that you got was not.
37:18Wasn't what I want,
37:19what I was expecting.
37:19And the contact is gone.
37:21The contact went.
37:22What do you want to achieve?
37:24I want, I want to
37:26build a,
37:27a friendship with my mum.
37:28Time is precious.
37:30It's short.
37:31You don't know how long it'll be.
37:32Because they say that I'm hard
37:34and they say that I'm
37:35gobbled.
37:36I think you're one of the nicest men
37:37I've ever met on this stage,
37:38seriously.
37:39I mean that.
37:39And we're going to get her out there.
37:40Of course.
37:42Let's get her out there.
37:43It's important to hear her side.
37:44This is your mum, Eileen,
37:45on the show, ladies and gentlemen.
37:58Eileen, welcome to the show.
38:19You came out with the greatest quote ever
38:20to my research team this morning.
38:23She said,
38:24I don't know what happened.
38:25She said,
38:25we got on brilliantly.
38:27He told me he was gay.
38:28I went to every gay club with him
38:30and had an absolute ball,
38:32she said,
38:32when he was younger.
38:34Definitely.
38:35Did you?
38:35Definitely.
38:36I went all over.
38:37Every gay club he could think of,
38:38I was there with him.
38:40Because when he told me
38:41when he was 16,
38:42there was gay,
38:42I just said,
38:43well,
38:44what difference does it make?
38:45You stole my son.
38:47You can't change him,
38:48and that's it.
38:49And you'll always do that.
38:51Now, listen,
38:53it's always nice
38:55to bring people back together
38:56on this show,
38:57but as I've said,
38:57you need more than that,
38:59and it's important, Eileen,
39:00that we dissect this story,
39:02and certainly Tony has a chance
39:03to talk to you about certain things.
39:06Did you fail him as a mother?
39:08I think I did,
39:10because I was an alcoholic,
39:12and I did drink,
39:13but I've not had a drink now
39:18for seven years.
39:21I've not drank at all
39:22for seven years.
39:25After then it died,
39:26after it died.
39:28After my partner died.
39:31Tony was put into care?
39:32Yes.
39:33At that time,
39:34and I have no reason to doubt this,
39:36you told my team
39:37that that was in your mind
39:38for the best.
39:39Yes, it was.
39:40Let's take this story slowly.
39:42Your son,
39:44eight years ago,
39:45you'd accepted his sexuality,
39:47told you about
39:49a couple of horrific incidents
39:52in his life.
39:53Well, he told me about one
39:54I didn't know about the other one.
39:55No.
39:56No, she didn't.
39:57I've never.
39:58No, I didn't know
39:58about the first one.
39:59He implied that your reaction
40:01was not really what he needed
40:02and wanted, Eileen.
40:03Well, it was a shock to hear it.
40:06What do you think it was
40:07to have it done to you?
40:08Well,
40:09I don't know.
40:11You know, I mean,
40:12when you get a phone call
40:13saying that
40:14the police are going
40:16to be ringing me
40:16about something.
40:17You told my researchers,
40:18and this is about me being honest,
40:20so you can direct your anger
40:21to me, both of you,
40:22if you have any.
40:23You said,
40:23it's not that I believed him
40:24or didn't believe him,
40:25it just seemed a bit iffy to me.
40:27Well, yeah.
40:28Yeah, I did say that.
40:29Why on earth would somebody
40:30wait all of that time,
40:3134 years of age,
40:33to tell you something
40:34that's untrue?
40:35What I think is,
40:36why didn't you tell me
40:37at the beginning?
40:38You wasn't.
40:39Why didn't you ask your son?
40:40I couldn't tell you.
40:42Why not?
40:43Because I was 11.
40:44Mum, you was...
40:46I don't know where you was.
40:47I haven't got a clue.
40:48I didn't know where you was.
40:50So what could you have done?
40:51What could you have done,
40:52to be honest?
40:53Well, it is...
40:54There's nothing you could have done.
40:55Well, if I'd have been there
40:57and you'd have told me,
40:58I would have done something about it.
41:01He obviously,
41:02understandably missed you
41:03for eight years.
41:04Did you miss him?
41:05Yeah, I do.
41:06But then explain to me
41:07why your daughter Mandy
41:08and you haven't had a relationship
41:09also for four years.
41:12Well, Mandy is Mandy.
41:14Let's get Mandy on the show,
41:15ladies and gentlemen.
41:24What do you mean,
41:25Mandy's Mandy?
41:26Well, you're all right, aren't you?
41:27Yeah, well, that's not very nice, Mum.
41:30Mandy's Mandy,
41:30like I'm, what, a spare part?
41:33Oh.
41:34She doesn't mean anything like that.
41:36Just stop sticking up for her.
41:41Why haven't you had a relationship
41:42with your daughter?
41:44Well, I don't know why.
41:45We never have, have we?
41:47Well, not really.
41:48But I mean,
41:49when one lives in Birmingham,
41:50one lives in London.
41:53Travel's got nothing to do with it.
41:54You see, the thing is,
41:55and you just said to your mum,
41:56I don't think you're like this,
41:57I don't think you're like this.
41:59I completely understand
42:00that you're an alcoholic,
42:01only, my dear,
42:02you chose to put the booze
42:04down your throat.
42:04But it doesn't patently explain
42:06where you failed to go
42:07and visit them
42:07because booze was more important
42:09and, I haven't finished, right,
42:11it doesn't matter about 100 miles,
42:14have you done enough
42:16to be a mother
42:17to your two children?
42:19No.
42:20Shame on you.
42:21Should you not be apologising?
42:22Should you not be making an effort?
42:24Well, they don't, they haven't made an effort.
42:28They've had to come on television
42:30to make an effort.
42:32You didn't ring the show, did you?
42:33No.
42:34No, I rang.
42:34That means that they rang
42:36and they wanted to do something about it.
42:37Why didn't that come from you?
42:39Why haven't you got a private investigator?
42:41Why haven't you done anything
42:42to find your kids?
42:43Mandy, why aren't you...
42:45I just, I can't believe
42:46that she's just sitting there
42:47and, oh, they don't come to see me
42:48so I'm not going to see them.
42:50Did you fight enough for them?
42:52No, I didn't.
42:53I mean, they're old enough.
42:54I mean, they're not children.
42:56No, I know that, Mum.
42:57They are now, but they were.
43:00We were all right,
43:01but we'd be going through that.
43:02Just because you're sorted,
43:04what happened
43:05because of your problems
43:07hasn't gone away.
43:09They were affected.
43:11Do you understand?
43:11Let's ask you this, Mandy.
43:14Tony touched upon the abuse
43:16and the fact that years ago
43:18he told his mum.
43:19Now, do you believe
43:21that she did enough for your brother?
43:22No, she didn't.
43:23She didn't.
43:23I believed him in a heartbeat.
43:25So why couldn't she?
43:26She should have believed him.
43:28Answer that, Eileen.
43:28Well, what do I answer that way?
43:31You should have believed him, Mum.
43:33Well, I'm not saying
43:34I didn't believe him.
43:36But where did the iffy bit come from?
43:38What was it?
43:38Where do you think it was iffy?
43:40Because there were certain things
43:41that you were saying
43:42that didn't add up.
43:44Were you drunk at that time?
43:46Were you drunk when he told you?
43:48But you were drunk when it happened.
43:50Yeah, but why couldn't they come to me
43:52and tell me then
43:53at the time when it happened?
43:53Why didn't you go on a Sunday
43:54to visit them
43:55when he sat by a window
43:56because you were preferring drink
43:57to seeing your children,
43:58true or false?
43:59I didn't do it all the time.
44:01Darling, you took a very good fight
44:03but the point's valid.
44:04It only takes one.
44:05One time.
44:05I'll just sit here
44:06and let everybody think I'm terrible.
44:08No, Mum, I'm not doing that.
44:11We don't want that, Mum.
44:11We don't want that.
44:12It's not a good thing.
44:13We just want some answers.
44:15Do you know what's really unfair
44:16and I'm going to say this
44:16and I don't care whether you like it.
44:18You are...
44:18That is really, really unfair
44:20because actually,
44:21notwithstanding Mandy,
44:22you've got a young man here, right?
44:24A young man
44:24who is absolutely in bits
44:26about the failure
44:27of his relationship with you.
44:28A young man
44:28who has been totally honest to you
44:30and has spent the entire morning
44:32sugarcoating everything he's saying.
44:35Let's get Aunty Marjorie
44:36on the show,
44:36ladies and gentlemen.
44:52That's all you're getting off me.
44:55That's it.
44:55No, I didn't mean it.
44:56He knows it.
45:00Right.
45:00Eight years ago, Marjorie,
45:01just cut to the chase
45:02when he told his mother
45:03about the abuse.
45:04Why did you take the phone
45:05and say you've upset your mother,
45:06drop the past?
45:07Why did you say that?
45:12Anthony!
45:15Marjorie, I'm talking to you.
45:16I know.
45:16Why did you say that?
45:17I didn't.
45:18You did.
45:19I was sat with Philip.
45:20I can remember his plainest day.
45:22I actually...
45:23I hung up on you
45:24because I was shocked.
45:26We've heard what happened.
45:27Did you or did you not tell him
45:29your mum's upset,
45:31stop raking over the past?
45:32Yes or no?
45:33Why are you shouting at me?
45:36I'm asking you a question, darling.
45:38Well, I'm not deaf.
45:40Brilliant.
45:41Good.
45:41Did you or did you not say to him,
45:44your mother's upset,
45:46stop raking over the past?
45:47More than likely.
45:48Right.
45:49Listen.
45:49But let me tell you something
45:51before you go any further,
45:52and I'm awfully sorry about this.
45:54I had a very, very bad accident
45:56and I have three damaged blood vessels
45:58at the back of my neck
45:59and it's made me with memory loss.
46:03So the past is the past.
46:05I can't remember most of it.
46:06Oh, a convenience.
46:07And it's not a convenience.
46:09I can get your doctors...
46:11I'm going to say this really quietly.
46:15I don't want to know.
46:16No, I don't know what the hell
46:18you're all doing raking all this up.
46:20What do you mean raking it up?
46:23Classic.
46:25He was abused.
46:26Her kids want answers
46:28for the fact that
46:28A and one they were put in care,
46:30B and two he was abused
46:31and when he told her...
46:33I put her in care when we were kids.
46:36Do you remember it?
46:37Oh, yes.
46:37Yeah?
46:38Please, stop.
46:39Please, please.
46:39What was it like?
46:41Someone got something about.
46:42Then he has every right
46:44and so does she to be able to...
46:45I don't need you shouting at me.
46:47Please.
46:48Oh, my God.
46:50Yeah, oh, my God.
46:51I'm not here to be abused by you.
46:53I'm sorry.
46:55Forget it.
46:56Um...
46:56God, it's going over.
46:58But actually, to me,
46:59that's irrelevant.
47:00This is about Eileen,
47:02you and your kids.
47:04Eight years, nothing with him.
47:06Four years, nothing with your daughter.
47:07We want to try and help you
47:09as three people
47:10to avoid that happening again.
47:11That's the point of today.
47:13Is that what you all want?
47:14Yeah.
47:15I think if we're...
47:17If we're...
47:18Yeah?
47:18To be honest and...
47:19I think that's the point
47:20and I know you love you, Mum.
47:22I ring my mum every day
47:23but I think Marjorie
47:24pinpoints one thing to me
47:26and I'm not in your family.
47:27That the three of you
47:28should concentrate on each other
47:29and not on anybody else.
47:30I think it should be
47:31about a mother and two kids.
47:32That's what you actually...
47:33That's what I think.
47:36Yes?
47:37Yes.
47:38Will you accept our offer
47:40of the aftercare team?
47:41The three of you sit down,
47:43you listen,
47:43you say your piece
47:44and we move forward, yeah?
47:45Yeah.
47:45All right.
47:46Tony, Eileen and Mandy
47:48are going that way.
47:48Give them a bow.
47:49Thank you very much indeed,
47:50Mandy.
47:50I'm going to have you come in.
47:51Well done.
47:52Good luck.
47:53All right?
47:54Go with your children that way.
47:55All right?
47:59So I've been in contact
48:00with Tony recently
48:01and this is what he had to tell us.
48:02He says,
48:02Jez, my relationship with Mum
48:04has gone from strength to strength.
48:05We speak to each other
48:06about twice a week
48:07but since the show
48:07we still haven't met up
48:09but I will be soon,
48:10hopefully, he says,
48:11in the new year.
48:12I'd like to thank the show
48:12for building bridges
48:13between me and my mum.
48:15Good luck to them.
48:15A fantastic way
48:16to end that particular story.
48:18Now, of course,
48:18time is a great healer.
48:19Some of these reunions
48:20end happily,
48:21some not so happily
48:22but the most important thing
48:23is to thank everybody
48:24who's been good enough
48:25to be on the show
48:25and wish them the very best
48:27of luck for the future.
48:28If you've watched this morning,
48:29you've been affected by the show,
48:30you want more information,
48:31you can get that via my website.
48:32It's itv.com forward slash Jeremy Kyle.
48:35I'll see you very soon.
48:36Take care.
48:36Bye-bye for now.
49:02Bye-bye for now.