The Jeremy Kyle Show 2nd March 2018
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00:10On today's show, he's late from work. You don't go he's having an affair, you go he's messing around with prostitutes. Why? Why? Why do you think?
00:18I have accused him for a lot of things, actually.
00:22How can you say you love me and we walk on the street and you're looking right, left and centre? I know what I've seen.
00:27How am I supposed to walk on my head down? Well, I walk on the street. Did you see me looking at other men?
00:33Porn on the phone? What's that all about? I unlocked the touch screen because I wanted to watch a video and the porno was in front of me.
00:39No, you wanted to watch porno, not me.
00:44Did you want to watch porn? With him.
00:49We have to teach us to study a relationship with Sophia if you have sexual intercourse with anyone else, be it a prostitute or somebody off the phone.
00:55You said no. Why did you say no?
00:57They've only been together, what, four months?
01:02Yeah, four months.
01:02They're engaged. Why don't you like this girl?
01:04Because she's conniving. She's a gold digger.
01:07You turned around and said the f***.
01:09Oh, no.
01:11I'm going home with my son.
01:14You're not? No mother of mine.
01:15I want nothing to do with you.
01:17Why would you say that?
01:18I want nothing to do with you.
01:21CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:39Hello, my friends, good morning and a big, big welcome to the show.
01:42Right with my first guest today, Sophia, is here to demand answers
01:45from a boyfriend, Attish, whom she suspects
01:47has been secretly meeting prostitutes behind her back.
01:50Dirty boy, not only that, she says that he's been watching porn
01:54on his phone and is disgusted by the way he leers at other women
01:57in the street. She says she's had enough of his behaviour
01:59and if he fails the Jeremy Carl lie detector test, she says,
02:02I'm done. Massive day for this lady and very nervous.
02:05Sophia's on the Jeremy Carl show, that way!
02:07CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
02:15You're from Greece. I am. I love it.
02:18Welcome to the show. Sophia, 38, boy from Attish, 36.
02:22Yes. Toy boy!
02:24Not really! Yes!
02:26No, he looks older than his age anyway.
02:28Brilliant! How long have you been with him? How did you meet?
02:32Actually, we used to be neighbours.
02:35You met him a year ago as neighbours.
02:37Are you living together? Yes, we are.
02:39Was it a quick relationship?
02:41Yes, actually, I met him before I go to Greece.
02:43I came back after two months.
02:45He was actually living...
02:47Well, all of us in the same place.
02:49And then, after a while, we started...
02:53Well, it started with a one-night stand.
02:55You had sex with him?
02:57Yeah, not straight away.
02:59Was it good sex?
03:00It was all right.
03:01LAUGHTER
03:03Um, I had doubts early doors that this guy was messing around
03:08and now, says Sophia, I am 100% sure he's cheated.
03:12Why?
03:13Because there are so many incidents
03:15and the thing is, it can't be all a coincidence.
03:18You say it's the way he leers at women in the street.
03:21Yes, exactly.
03:22It makes me feel...
03:23I've lost my self-esteem.
03:25I've lost my confidence.
03:27I think that I am the angriest person in the world, you know.
03:31You what?
03:32The angriest person in the world.
03:33Why he's looking at women like this for...
03:35You are not ugly.
03:36You are gorgeous.
03:43Look at Steve.
03:44He's giving you the eye.
03:45Hi, Steve.
03:46Do you like Big Steve?
03:48Yeah, he's all right.
03:49LAUGHTER
03:50Me or Steve?
03:51No, I would say you.
03:56Round of applause.
04:02He'll take hours to come home from work and blames the traffic.
04:05Yeah.
04:06But, for instance, that is like...
04:08But he has a long round trip.
04:10He's 140 miles to and from work every day,
04:12so it could be traffic-based.
04:13No, because, before, he used to work in heating,
04:18which is about 20 minutes from Luton.
04:21Right.
04:22And, okay, he had to drop his colleague, you know.
04:24Drop his what?
04:25Drop his colleague from work at home.
04:26Oh, colleague.
04:27I thought you said trousers from home.
04:28LAUGHTER
04:29You found porn on his mobile.
04:31I did.
04:32What sort of porn?
04:33No, why did I ask that?
04:34How did you come upon finding...
04:35How did you come upon finding...
04:36Why are you checking his phone, woman?
04:37What's the matter?
04:38I didn't check his phone and never did.
04:39How did you find porn, then?
04:40Well, he came back at home.
04:41He left the phone on the table.
04:42What?
04:43And then I took the phone.
04:45I unlocked it to actually, you know, watch a video.
04:48And I saw the porno.
04:49And I said, how did the porno...
04:50What are you doing witching porno for?
04:52Um, we used to have sex seven times a day.
04:55Yes!
04:58What's wrong with...
04:59Seven?
05:00Yes.
05:01You can't even go to the toilet seven times a day.
05:04You say you found a receipt for a Thai restaurant in his car.
05:08Yes, I did.
05:09What's wrong with that?
05:10Well, because we never went to this Thai restaurant together
05:14and I checked the card and the end numbers.
05:17It wasn't the same card, but to me that doesn't mean anything.
05:20But you've gone from, he's late from work,
05:22because maybe traffic, I've found a thing in the car
05:25and we're not having as much sex.
05:27You don't go he's having an affair,
05:28you go he's messing around with prostitutes.
05:30Why?
05:31I have accused him for a lot of things, actually.
05:33Well...
05:34I love the way you say actually.
05:35Say that again.
05:36Actually.
05:37Oh, brilliant.
05:38You've accused him of sleeping with prostitutes.
05:40Yes, I have.
05:41Do you really believe that?
05:42I don't know what to believe anymore.
05:44You say, I have no confidence, he doesn't make me feel special,
05:47he should love his woman end of.
05:49I agree with that.
05:50He's done the lie detector,
05:51you say it'll be a miracle if he passes it.
05:53Yeah, I have doubts that he won't pass.
05:55What if he fails?
05:56I will be a free woman afterwards.
05:58Brilliant.
05:59What are the rows like at the moment?
06:02Oh, well it's not a healthy life anymore.
06:05So today's about getting the truth, yeah?
06:07Yeah.
06:08Let's not be judge and jury,
06:09this guy could be absolutely innocent,
06:11the toy boy.
06:12I hope so.
06:13She's on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
06:14CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
06:16I'll prove I've never cheated, I only have eyes for my missus.
06:28That's what I do, that's what I am.
06:30Good.
06:31So, let's cut straight to the chase, cos you're obviously a hero.
06:35Seven times a day?
06:37Yeah, killing it mate.
06:38Killing it mate.
06:39She means everything to me and the accusations have got ridiculous
06:42and they need to stop.
06:43How bad has it got, Atish?
06:45I can't really work, you know.
06:47What?
06:48Yeah, when I'm working I'm having second thoughts, you know,
06:50about stuff she said to me and stuff.
06:51Have you cheated on her?
06:52Never.
06:53How do you explain the Thai restaurant car receipt?
06:55It was a rental car.
06:56What, you rented it and then went and bought a meal?
06:58Yeah, my company give me a rental car every three months.
07:02Yeah, but when I found the receipt it was nothing over there,
07:05it was just an empty bottle.
07:07And the receipt was dated, I didn't even have the car.
07:09Do you leer at women in the street?
07:11No, I don't.
07:13Yes, you do.
07:15You say, er, she's actually horrible to me.
07:19I work very hard, I do everything I can,
07:22she seems to accuse me of meeting other women,
07:25leering at other women.
07:26It's ridiculous.
07:27I'm not like that.
07:28How bad is she to you?
07:30Very bad.
07:31How?
07:32Also the accusation just goes on every day.
07:35Talk to each other, pal.
07:37Because of my colour, you know,
07:38she said something to me that really offended me,
07:40you know, and that was bad, you know.
07:42You were racist towards him?
07:44No, I did, well, I was pretty angry
07:46and I know I have said some bad stuff, but...
07:49She'd never, ever, ever say anything like that.
07:51I did, I have, and I did apologise straight away.
07:55What else though?
07:57I mean, the two of you, do you talk anymore
08:00or has it just got to a point where it's just one...
08:02No, we do, we're good.
08:03How can you be good?
08:04You're on the Jeremy Kyle show.
08:06No, we do talk.
08:07No, we do talk.
08:08She doesn't trust you.
08:09She doesn't trust you.
08:10She says 100% that you will fail.
08:13You say it's her issue.
08:14She's an angry person.
08:15She's got...
08:16What are her issues then?
08:17Come on, talk to me.
08:18I'm telling you, like, you know,
08:20he even said to me,
08:21I'm going to ruin your whole life.
08:25I didn't sort of expect the swear word then.
08:27I was a bit lost.
08:28Are you going to ruin his entire life?
08:30No, I was angry and I said this.
08:31Do you love her?
08:32I do.
08:33A lot.
08:34Tell her.
08:35Talk to her.
08:36Yeah, but she don't listen.
08:37She's...
08:38Well, try.
08:39Yeah, but how can you say you love me
08:41and we walk on the street
08:42and you're looking right, left and centre
08:44and you're trying to tell me that I'm not doing it?
08:46I know what I've seen.
08:47How am I supposed to walk?
08:48Put my head down?
08:49Well, I walk on the street,
08:50do you see me looking at other men?
08:52How am I supposed to know where you're looking?
08:53Do I look at your face when you walk on the street?
08:55Ah, come on.
08:56But isn't...
08:58Sorry.
08:59Now, I'm probably going to say something
09:00that will result in somebody complaining.
09:02What's wrong with looking?
09:04It's like going to a library.
09:06Just don't take it out.
09:08Well, she does.
09:09Isn't it healthy?
09:10What's wrong with looking at the opposite sex
09:12or the same sex or what...
09:14But then you see the interesting thing is she says,
09:17and I think this is a lot to do with you,
09:19she says, I feel inadequate, I have no confidence,
09:22he makes me feel worthless.
09:23So is this more about you than it's about him,
09:25darling?
09:26Is it about your lack of self-esteem coming home
09:29and making him, I don't know, everything he does?
09:31No, no.
09:32Because me, I wasn't like this
09:33and he knows that very well when we first met.
09:35Like what?
09:36I was confident.
09:38What happened?
09:39What changed?
09:40After we got back together
09:41and he didn't do this straight away
09:43and he started doing this,
09:44of course I felt, you know, I felt insecure.
09:47He describes you as crazy.
09:49Yeah, he tries to prove...
09:50Well, we will see what the light detector says.
09:52We will see.
09:53Are you going to pass?
09:54Yes, I am.
09:55How many people in this audience
09:56think a T-shirt's going to pass the lie detector?
09:58Put your hands in the air.
09:5950...
10:00Ooh!
10:01Who thinks he's going to fail it?
10:03I bet you all.
10:05We're not condoning gambling.
10:07After this break is a T-shirt cheat.
10:09She says,
10:10I'm 100% sure.
10:11Lie detector next.
10:12I'm right back.
10:13Why was there porn on your phone?
10:16There was no porn on my phone, man.
10:17She was trying to watch porn.
10:19Yeah?
10:20And she told me to connect to the Wi-Fi
10:21so we can get through.
10:22If he has cheated, what happens?
10:24That would be...
10:25Are you going to pass?
10:26Yes, sir.
10:27100%?
10:28Every person.
10:29You don't like the fact that he's happy
10:33and you're hacked off that you can't live there with him,
10:36that you're the ones with housing problems
10:38and she's getting...
10:39I'm not going to hang with you tonight.
10:40I'm going to hang with Katie.
10:41She's been helping for your son
10:42that he's actually found somewhere.
10:44Don't go!
10:45Strange she does.
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11:23Thank you very much indeed.
11:24Welcome back for the break, Sophia and Atish.
11:25Sophia, you met a year ago.
11:27It was so good.
11:28Seven times a day, these two had sex.
11:34But you say on a serious note,
11:35you have no self-confidence,
11:36no self-worth,
11:37you'll leer at women in the street.
11:38Porn on the phone?
11:39What's that all about?
11:40It's not even porn on the phone.
11:41Well, is she...
11:42What?
11:43It's not even porn on the phone.
11:44Why didn't you ask her?
11:45What?
11:46Ask her.
11:47It was...
11:48I...
11:49The phone was on the table.
11:50I took the phone.
11:51Okay.
11:52I unlocked the touch screen because I want to watch a video.
11:54And the porno was in front of me.
11:56And I said to him, what the porno is doing over here?
11:58Okay.
11:59And he said, it's because, you know, the phone is on Wi-Fi.
12:02And I was like, okay, but things, they don't appear on the phone.
12:05Why was there porn on your phone?
12:07There was no porn on my phone, man.
12:08She was trying to watch porn.
12:10Yeah?
12:11And she told me to connect to the Wi-Fi so we can get through.
12:13I've never...
12:14You know, even I've learned how you connect to the Wi-Fi,
12:16but, you know, if I go to a restaurant or a hotel,
12:18and I...
12:19Honestly, this is absolutely true,
12:20and I managed to work out how to get on the Wi-Fi,
12:23you know, to get my emails,
12:24very rarely does a porn movie just suddenly appear on my phone.
12:27It suddenly appeared.
12:28You're absolutely convinced if he has cheated, what happens?
12:31That would be...
12:33Are you going to pass?
12:34Yes, sir.
12:35100%.
12:36100%.
12:37We asked Atis to study a relationship with Sophia.
12:39Have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else,
12:41be it a prostitute or somebody off the phone,
12:43you said no?
12:44Why did you say no?
12:45Because I was telling the truth.
12:46He was telling the truth, love!
12:47CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
12:50I appreciate it, mate.
12:51Thank you for your help.
12:52I mean, I'm down and down to it.
12:54Take a sec...
12:55Are you finished now?
12:56Yeah.
12:57I'm good.
12:58I have to go, you know?
13:00Hold on one second.
13:03You're standing very awkwardly.
13:04He's passed every single question.
13:06He's actually...
13:07CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
13:09Don't you want to be with her now?
13:17I do, but I do have to digest it, you know?
13:19I got a lot.
13:20She's done a lot to me.
13:22I'm starting out.
13:23Yeah, now I have to take my time, man.
13:27You know, I have to swallow it a little bit.
13:29Yeah, but the thing is, all this happened because I had,
13:32you know, reasons.
13:33She's still going off.
13:35I know I love you.
13:37Ah, I know I love you?
13:38What is it?
13:39You know I love you.
13:40I don't know.
13:41Aww.
13:42You've really upset him, do you know that?
13:44Yeah.
13:45Yeah.
13:46You've said some terrible things,
13:47and I don't want you to take this the wrong way.
13:48This is absolutely all about your insecurity
13:50and how you see yourself, not him,
13:51and I haven't heard you once apologise since he did that.
13:53All you did was stand up and say I love you.
13:55What about sorry for humiliating you and being so horrible?
13:57Yeah, I did apologise to him before,
14:00and I will apologise to him again.
14:02Why don't you try now?
14:03I'm sorry.
14:04Oh, it's cool.
14:05You're sorry.
14:06APPLAUSE
14:07I mean...
14:08I am one.
14:09You've pulled you in a seat.
14:10She's now on the back foot,
14:11and you're back at seven a day.
14:12LAUGHTER
14:13Go, go, go.
14:14APPLAUSE
14:15Well, they're getting on better.
14:16Good luck to them.
14:17Right, my next guest today, Jane, is here to confront her son's fiancée, Katie,
14:20whom she claims is a cheat and only using her son, Scott,
14:22so she can get into his tenancy.
14:23She says that Katie is, frankly, a controlling bully,
14:25and once she fails the lie detector,
14:26she hopes her son sees sense and kicks this horrible woman out.
14:29This is one seriously angry mum.
14:31Jane is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
14:33CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
14:35You alright?
14:54You alright?
14:55Yep.
14:56Scott's, your son, his partner of...
14:59How long's he been with Katie?
15:02been with Katie and four and a half months something like that now I just I
15:08know you nervous I want you to speak up because you've had so much to say your
15:12only line to my team was I hate my son's controlling girlfriend she's isolated
15:16him and within I mean they've only been together what four months yeah they're
15:20engaged and they're done why don't you like this girl come on can she conniving
15:23she's a gold digger how'd you know I gave him some money she took it off she took
15:33it oh god I hate that woman when I gave him 20 pound she took it off him yeah 22 and
15:49his own two feet help me out what don't you like about her you say she's bad
15:57news yes she is bad news she they want a baby form performance together and they
16:06want a baby she wants his tenancy week I wanted to stay his flat and you have to
16:13ask her first if his own mother could stay there so you say she's basically put in
16:18strings she is putting the strings she threatened to hit my son with a frying
16:22pan yeah over match of the day it was a joke
16:29it was a joke to me aren't you in danger of ending up doing what a lot of parents do
16:35when they can see that their their kids loved one isn't right isn't the danger
16:39that by saying I hate him I hate her you're gonna push your child further into the
16:43arms of that person well if she's cheated on him then she's shady with her phone
16:48yeah stays out not her phone it's his phone she's old she takes a gold digger she
16:56loans money off her family she won't be getting any more money you're convinced
17:00she's gonna fail the lie detector and do you think your son
17:02do you think he'll wise up and leave her but I hope so today today that's what it's
17:10about yeah you love your son I think he's scared of her do you yeah right day
17:14threaten to hit him with a frying pan joke or not a joke no I think he's scared so
17:20she says you're rude you've been no sort of mother you're a bully and you're
17:25basically jealous that your son's happy that's what she says okay listen I'm just
17:29in the middle of being hidden a frying pan might turn me on Katie's on the
17:33Jeremy carl show that I'm not a golden you're the one who's an alcoholic and a
17:47control freak was an alcoholic oh good you've forgotten number three haven't you
17:54no I'm doing it now okay shut up no I will never slap your son around the
17:59egg with a frying pan say it then it's a joke a joke but you said that he says it
18:04is a joke for number four we had to stay in oh you're so nice to us and it once you
18:12go you you turned around and said oh no I'm not no I'm not no I'm not my son back and I'm
18:20going home with my son you're not coming to our wedding tomorrow she says that you are no
18:25mother and rather than it being her who's trying to get his tenancy yo shut up you
18:31don't like the fact that he's happy and you're hacked off that you can't live there
18:35with him that you're the ones with housing problems and she's going with you tonight I'm
18:39going home with Katie you should be helping for your son that he's actually found somewhere
18:43your string she does I'm in love with Katie I don't need you in my life no more I'm 20 on Monday
18:51don't sit down when did I cheat have you cheated have you done a lie detector yes I have
18:58why because to prove to her that cow there that I haven't cheated on her son you are I'm twice a
19:06woman and you have to be like apparently you told my team she's got in your face twice yeah have you
19:10no I have not your sexual liar in the street no I did not yes you did no excuse no no um don't
19:18take this a fan to Katie but if you went with Scott I'll be there 24 7 no I'm you take it in my face
19:23that I would have been at his flat because I'm you've got more to say though you say this is a bit
19:28damn rich from a mother who was an alcoholic and was no sort of mother to her son now her son's
19:34happy and a woman's coming to his life and giving him some stability she's jealous
19:38basically that's what jealous yeah we've got to answer that rather than just laughing jealous I'm not jealous
19:43I knew happy for him he's made his bed let him down what I did
19:53how am I going to go to control my baby yeah after 16 weeks yeah
19:58is he got a job no why don't you have a baby then because we want one I'll pay for it he'll be more
20:05under the thumb with you won't he he's never been under my thumb oh no so why did he go and see his
20:10grandmother well that's funny because we went Monday we spent all day over Monday because we
20:16didn't have fun to pay much living with her you can't go anywhere yes he can no he can yes he can
20:23oh with you yeah okay you told me that you told my team this woman you were bullied at school I'm sorry
20:27about that because it's an awful thing for many people I was gonna like this woman in the same
20:31she's a bully she says you're a bully you just keep shaking your head what have you got against her
20:35give me something tangible why you don't like me get into it myself for watching match of the day
20:40it's a joke if you can't take a joke that's your problem yeah if you watch the football I'm gonna
20:46smack you around the air with the frying pan yeah she grabbed her his phone off him put it down
20:54surely with the grace of respect it's up to your son to go I'm not prepared to accept that if he
20:59doesn't I think that's right he needs to get your goal
21:02what's between me and scott stays between me and scott's got to do with you
21:08because when you leave him who's gonna be picking up the pieces it won't be you yeah but that's life
21:16isn't it I'm always picking up the pieces so he always gets hurt scott is he yes always so you're
21:23worried because of his history yeah I'm so I was gonna wear some I love your son to bits
21:27well you will enjoy the end the third day yeah the third day before we came to your
21:36matter scott's not because it's not yours yeah use me today at four o'clock that day did you take the
21:42And I love him more than you'll ever love him
21:54I want a very good mother to Scott. I guess I reckon you're trying to make
22:01Reckon you're trying to make amends coming in with you because you weren't in his life as much as you should have been
22:07And now he's got a woman who he's happy with you don't like it do you?
22:10Yeah, any reason I was going to a break man in the middle next don't go anywhere. Thank you
22:20We asked Katie since the start of your relationship with Scott and yet sexual intercourse with anyone else you said you were 100% sure that she'd fail yeah
22:27Yeah
22:36Thank you very much
22:37Welcome back for the break Jane and Katie you don't like this woman never ever gonna fail the lie detector you say hold on a minute
22:43I'm with you son. I love you son. You were no mother you were an alcoholic and you know what?
22:47He's not he's happy with you isn't he he's on the jeremy car show that way
22:51You're right
22:58You are shut your mouth because you've got nothing to do with it
23:03You're not nothing to do with you
23:05I've got nothing to do with you.
23:07Why would you say that?
23:09Who are you?
23:11I'm her partner.
23:13You've got nothing to do with us either.
23:15Don't threaten me.
23:17Yeah, it's threatening. Look, you can tell.
23:19It's just my stance.
23:21This has got nothing to do with you,
23:23because you're not even married to my mum yet.
23:25What's that got to do with it? She's my partner.
23:27Yeah, she might be your partner.
23:29My partner is my mum getting involved in my relationship.
23:3116 weeks. You call your mum an alcoholic.
23:33She hasn't drunk for months.
23:35She hasn't drunk for months.
23:37But she was an alcoholic, wasn't she?
23:39And she wasn't a good mother.
23:41And it would seem, just help me out,
23:43that the minute he gets happy with a woman,
23:45even if she's the worst woman in the world,
23:47he has to experience that for himself.
23:49Why doesn't she concentrate on her own life
23:51and let him get on with it and make mistakes?
23:53I don't know if she wasn't a good mother, do I?
23:55I don't know if she wasn't a good mother.
23:57That's all I'm concerned.
23:59He used to go off to his...
24:01Why have you gone back there?
24:03I'm going to tell you something, because I ain't running.
24:05Let me explain something to you, right, Jane?
24:07Listen, by your own admission,
24:09you had some problems, you've got over them,
24:11you want to be a better mother,
24:13but stay out here, listen to you, darling, seriously.
24:15I love you more than she loves you.
24:17It's the classic thing as a parent.
24:19You have to let go.
24:21You're not going to have a relationship with your son
24:23unless you accept his lifestyle choices,
24:25and if he makes mistakes, you're there.
24:27APPLAUSE
24:29But he always makes mistakes.
24:31If you love your son and you want to sort this out,
24:33get back out here. We're not having any histrionics.
24:35Welcome to the show, Scott. What's the story?
24:37Well, she's basically a controlling...
24:39twisted ****, basically.
24:41That's your mother?
24:42Yeah, well, she's basically...
24:43There you go with it. Talk to your mum about it.
24:45She's trying to tell me who I can and can't get with it.
24:47Was she a good mum when you were growing up?
24:48No.
24:49Was she there? Were you in care? What happened?
24:51I basically went to live with my dad at the age of 12.
24:53Why?
24:54Because she was basically...
24:56She was living there for me.
24:57Can you just get her back on stage, please?
24:59She was constantly drinking.
25:01Right, so you hold that against her.
25:03Right, we're getting to this now.
25:04You keep flouncing off.
25:06He went to live with his dad at 12 because of your drinking.
25:08True or false?
25:09I didn't drink when he was 12.
25:11Why did he go and live with his dad then?
25:13Because he thought the grass was greener
25:15when you find out that it wasn't.
25:17Because he came back...
25:18You look smug about that as well.
25:19No, I'm not smug about that.
25:20So why did I spend two and a half years down there with him men?
25:23You did spend two and a half. I had no contact with you.
25:26Would it be better to suggest this?
25:27Right now, I bet there's no woman in the world
25:29that you think is good enough for sweet little Scott, is there?
25:32No.
25:33Right, well there we are.
25:34But I've seen with my own eyes how she treats them.
25:38How many mistakes did you make in your life?
25:40A couple.
25:41Right.
25:42And if anybody had told you to do opposite
25:43to what you were doing at that time,
25:45would you have listened?
25:47Maybe not, but...
25:48Right, so the unwritten rule of being a parent
25:50is even if you know your kids are going to land up on their backsides,
25:52right, you give them some advice,
25:54you let them make their own choices,
25:55and if they go wrong, you're there to pick up the pieces.
25:57That is what being a parent is about.
25:59That's it.
26:00But I always do.
26:01I always do pick up the pieces.
26:03That's your role, love.
26:04You know, you keep doing it again and again and again.
26:06That is your role.
26:07It's a lifelong role.
26:08And I've had enough.
26:10I've had enough of you to burn into our relationship.
26:12It's got **** to do with you.
26:13Stop swearing.
26:14It might not be **** to do with me,
26:16but it is my son.
26:18It might be your son, but stay out of it.
26:20What goes on between me and Scott stays between me and Scott.
26:23It's our relationship.
26:24I don't get involved in no relationship.
26:26If she passes this test, won't that convince you
26:29to let him live his own life?
26:31And you and he can have a relationship if you don't like her,
26:33but you've just admitted on national television
26:35you wouldn't frankly like any woman,
26:36which says an awful lot about you.
26:38Well, nobody's ever good enough, you know.
26:41Do you like getting involved in your relationship?
26:44They've all treated him like **** they all have.
26:47I'm not going to treat him at my life.
26:49Are you hiring her with the same thing?
26:50Why won't you let her do it?
26:51Because I've always got on with them,
26:53his ex-girlfriends, but...
26:55We asked Katie since the start of your relationship with Scott
26:57have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
26:59You said you were 100% sure that she'd fail, yeah?
27:02Well, she passed every single question.
27:04Thank you!
27:05100%.
27:06Here you are.
27:08We asked you alone.
27:10I don't have nothing to do with you.
27:13You don't have nothing to do with you.
27:14Where are you going now?
27:16Just come with me, you two.
27:17This is ridiculous.
27:19Jane, come here.
27:20You cannot have it all.
27:22I'm sorry.
27:23I'm not walking, I'm not doing this.
27:25I spend my life...
27:26Stop!
27:27Stop!
27:28Stop!
27:29He's your son, right?
27:30Yes.
27:31A lot of what you feel,
27:33a lot of what you say is because you feel...
27:35Just do me a favour and stop swearing and shouting out.
27:37OK.
27:38A lot of your attitude...
27:39I'm not talking about she's AF so she can go...
27:41She is part of...
27:42What's the wrong with this?
27:43She's part of him!
27:45Mm-hmm.
27:46And now I'm part of him.
27:47Why aren't they our children?
27:48I dread to think.
27:49Why?
27:50Guess what?
27:51You're not having nothing to do with them anyway?
27:52Oh my God, this is childish.
27:54That's what you think.
27:55You think I have got rights, you know, as a grandmother.
27:58Yeah.
27:59And I will.
28:00I will.
28:01And he had rights as a son when you were getting drunk, love.
28:04He was 17 when I started drinking.
28:06Listen to me.
28:07Listen to me.
28:08He wasn't a child.
28:10If you want to lose your son, listen to me.
28:15Maybe she was at a bad point in her life.
28:17If you want to lose your son, a sure-fire way of doing that is to say,
28:22it's either her or me, I want nothing.
28:24Listen to me.
28:25Listen to me, please.
28:27That is his choice.
28:28That is his right.
28:29The problem you will have is if it starts to go wrong, you go and bitch to your mother.
28:32You live your life.
28:33She's done nothing wrong.
28:34You admitted out there, nobody would be good enough for my son.
28:38You can't live like that.
28:39Understand the sentiment?
28:40Listen to me.
28:41But you can't...
28:42You're not listening.
28:43You cannot live like that, babe, because you'll end up with nobody.
28:46Let him live his own life, be a mother, and be there if it goes wrong.
28:51And you.
28:52You slag your mother off.
28:53She's trying her best.
28:55You could gain a daughter here.
28:58I was nice to you.
29:00We put that for two days.
29:01I was nice.
29:02Two days.
29:03Two days.
29:04Is Katie really a horrible person?
29:07Absolutely not.
29:08Yes, she is.
29:09No, she's not.
29:10You don't like the fact.
29:11You assume...
29:12How did you treat him?
29:14How did you treat him?
29:16How did you treat him?
29:18But that's him to decide.
29:20Darling, you are going to drive the biggest wedge between you and your son.
29:23If you do not accept his choices, she's done nothing wrong.
29:27Swallow it, or you're going to make a complete idiot of yourself.
29:30I'll be there for when to pick up the pieces, but that's it.
29:33Do you know who's acting like the child, and I ain't following you anymore, Mrs.
29:36Well, that's fine by us.
29:37It's done.
29:38It's over and done with now, Mum.
29:39You've walked off.
29:40You walked out of my life for good now.
29:42See ya.
29:45It's ridiculous and a shame, and we'll do what we always do on this show, which is to
29:48try and work with you.
29:49Listen, a bit of advice if you're as good a person as I think you are.
29:53Don't slag her off.
29:54A lot of it's guilt, I think, because of the past.
29:57She's obviously had her problems.
29:58You're happy.
29:59You've every right to be happy.
30:01She has to accept that.
30:02Whether she will or not, we'll do our best to make it work.
30:04But thank you for coming on.
30:05Give them a round of applause.
30:08APPLAUSE
30:14Good luck to them.
30:15We'll let you know.
30:16Right, my next guest today, Alison, is here because she is, check this, 99% certain
30:21that her son, Andrew, stole money from a kitchen whilst his nan was literally
30:25dying in hospital.
30:26She says that Andrew has been at tea leaves since his early teens.
30:29This is the last straw.
30:30She insists that when he fails the test today, check that, when, she says...
30:34I've heard people say this on your show, Jess, but I mean it.
30:36I'm going to wash my hands for good of my boy.
30:38I can't do this anymore.
30:39She said, I mean business.
30:40I've had enough of how I and the family are being treated.
30:43Alison's next on the Jeremy Kyle Show.
30:45That way.
30:53You OK?
30:54I'm not going to cry.
30:55You what?
30:56I'm not going to cry.
30:57Listen, first of all, I want to say something to you.
30:59I have total respect for you being here.
31:00The hardest thing in the world must be actually to have a child
31:04and love that child and nurture that child and they take the wrong path
31:07and then you're out here doing this.
31:08But it is the end for you, isn't it?
31:10The end.
31:11There's no way forward if he fails.
31:14Andrew is your only child.
31:16He's 35 years of age.
31:18OK, let's get that in mind.
31:19It's so odd he is my only child.
31:20Let's talk about him growing up.
31:22Speak up a bit.
31:23You say, I mean, in the introduction I said he's been stealing since he was a teenager.
31:26Yeah.
31:27Why?
31:28Got him with the wrong crowd?
31:29What?
31:30Possibly.
31:31No idea.
31:32What Andrew wanted, Andrew got.
31:33He was always spoiling.
31:34His dad spoiling the rotten.
31:35I was like the disciplinarian but didn't like being disciplined.
31:39And then he stole off his dad.
31:42That was a belt I meant.
31:44That was.
31:45He stole my money.
31:46TV, ornaments, stud money.
31:49Yeah, from the dog.
31:50Now, let's not lie, he lost his dad at 13.
31:52Yes, 12 or 13 he was.
31:54That actually was the age at which he started.
31:57No.
31:58Oh.
31:59No, it was before that.
32:00Because a lot of people would go.
32:02The kid lost his dad.
32:03No.
32:04And that's why his life's gone down the car.
32:05He stole £1,200 out of his dad's pot.
32:07Erm, give it away to the kids on the estate.
32:10I know you've got a smile on your face because that's how people deal with nerves.
32:14But I read something that I think is really interesting.
32:18You say he embarrasses you.
32:21Why?
32:22Embarrasses isn't the word for it.
32:23Shame.
32:24It's the shame of it.
32:25The shame of what?
32:26Because it's drugs as well, right?
32:27You didn't speak to him for 10 years.
32:28What sort of drugs?
32:29Who wants a son like that?
32:30Who would do things like that?
32:31You want to be proud of your child?
32:33What drugs?
32:34I've got no idea.
32:36It could be cannabis, heroin.
32:38Erm...
32:39He says he's changed.
32:40You say you don't believe he can change.
32:42Everybody can change, but...
32:45You told my team I'll eat the results card if he passes his lie detector.
32:48I'll eat the results card.
32:49I need a hat.
32:50I've had a hat.
32:51And he's got me that stressed.
32:53It's unbelievable.
32:54I can't eat.
32:55I can't sleep.
32:56You've banned him.
32:57If I lose any more weight...
32:58You've banned him from your house.
32:59Yes.
33:00Well, yes.
33:01But if I lose any more weight, you may as well hang us in the garden.
33:03Wouldn't that be a wind chain?
33:05LAUGHTER
33:06What?
33:07That's definitely like a stick insect.
33:08Tell me about what went missing this time.
33:10The amount of money.
33:12Oh, this is...
33:13If he has done it, it's the lowest of the low.
33:15Erm...
33:16Mum took ill...
33:17That was the 27th of November.
33:19She was took in the hospital.
33:21She didn't have, like, obstruction of the bowel,
33:23but they couldn't do anything to operate.
33:25It's you and your mum, isn't it?
33:29I lost my mum last year as well.
33:31That's good.
33:32Well, this lady was dying in hospital.
33:34You believe he stole £1,000 of money that you'd...
33:37You'd saved or she'd given?
33:39Erm, no.
33:40She says,
33:41My dad's got Alzheimer's.
33:43And he's got his bank card.
33:45And she was like...
33:46She didn't want too much money in the account
33:47in case he took money out and...
33:49He...
33:50He mislead it.
33:51I put it somewhere and we couldn't find it.
33:53So she says,
33:54Take £1,000 out.
33:55And put it away.
33:57And she says,
33:58There's not too much money in the account.
33:59So I went down to the bank and took the money out.
34:01And I went home.
34:02Put it in the cupboard.
34:03Why I didn't just take it straight upstairs, I don't know.
34:06But I put it in the cupboard.
34:07I thought I'd take it up later.
34:08Erm...
34:09But then going back to hospital...
34:10Back and forth hospital every day.
34:11Erm...
34:12Never thought much of it.
34:13Never thought much of it.
34:14And then a few weeks later,
34:15I looked and I thought,
34:16Hmm...
34:17I must have took it upstairs.
34:18And then I thought...
34:19And then I had a little look.
34:20And I thought,
34:21It must be somewhere else.
34:23So every other day,
34:24I was like having a look.
34:25And I thought...
34:26My hiding places...
34:27My hiding places were getting smaller and smaller.
34:28I thought,
34:29Well, where the hell have I borrowed?
34:30I don't know.
34:31But...
34:32At the back of my mind,
34:33I'm thinking,
34:34No.
34:35No, he wouldn't do it.
34:36What if he has?
34:37Because you told...
34:38He wouldn't have known where the money had come from.
34:39He might have just thought it was my money.
34:40Are you making an excuse for him?
34:41But regardless...
34:42Whether that was my money,
34:43My dad's money...
34:44What if he fails this test?
34:45That's it.
34:46He's gone one step too far this time.
34:49A lot of people come out here and say that.
34:50We only want people to see.
34:51I've lost count how many times I forgive him.
34:53It's umpteen times.
34:55You angry with him?
34:56Very.
34:57Let's get him out.
34:58I couldn't speak to him for over a week.
34:59Andrew's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
35:09You're waving at your mother for?
35:10Why?
35:11Because he's accusing us.
35:12There's something I haven't done, right?
35:14She told you that I was on heroin when I was feeding because me dad was a heroin addict.
35:19Are you on heroin now?
35:20No, I'm not.
35:21How long have you been clean for?
35:22Because your mum doesn't think you are.
35:24I've been clean a couple of days.
35:25I've used a couple of...
35:26I know.
35:27I used two days ago when you turn around the queues of stealing the money.
35:32I used that day.
35:33So you're blaming your mother for the fact that despite the fact you told my team you're clean,
35:38you took heroin to substitute illegally against your methadone two days ago you took heroin.
35:44I told the team I took heroin two days ago.
35:46Why would you do that?
35:47Why?
35:48Yeah.
35:49Because me head was on...
35:50Why don't you get on with behaving in the right way?
35:52Which I was doing to have you...
35:55Why don't you get some help?
35:56Why don't you change your life?
35:57You're a tea leaf.
35:58I'm on methadone.
35:59I'm a tea leaf.
36:00Why?
36:01If you're on methadone, why are you taking heroin then?
36:03Yeah, I've been out of trouble.
36:04Yeah.
36:05What do you want?
36:06A medal or a chest to pin it on?
36:07I've been out of...
36:08You took heroin two days ago.
36:10You steal the money.
36:11I didn't steal the money.
36:12Any idea what you've done to your mother?
36:14I don't know what I've done to my mum.
36:16Why have you done to me?
36:17But you're still doing it.
36:18I'm not still doing it.
36:19We were getting on fame until this money, until this happened, right?
36:24Wait, I wouldn't see a fame fame.
36:25Wasn't that long ago you took the bank card over the house?
36:27Hello.
36:28See the lovely picture of you and your nan?
36:29It was her money you nicked.
36:31For your drugs.
36:32Was it?
36:33Yeah.
36:34Money I didn't nick?
36:35Really?
36:36You chose, so you're making a day to pay a fee-farm lot.
36:39You've stolen all your life.
36:41You stole 1,200 quid off your dad.
36:44I was nine years old.
36:47I've never stolen 1,200 quid off my dad whether I was nine or 49.
36:52Doesn't make sense.
36:53So what?
36:54So what?
36:55So what?
36:56Yeah.
36:57So what?
36:58Yeah.
36:59This is not what we're here for.
37:00We're here.
37:01It's all out.
37:02All the way through your nose, you told my team you're a changed man,
37:05and you had the first side of an accusation two days ago.
37:08You chose to take heroin.
37:09Why?
37:10Because it was the first thing I've heard it back to.
37:15Because you're a drug addict, aren't you?
37:16Yes.
37:17So you said to me you didn't take it for two days ago?
37:20No.
37:23Why are you here?
37:24Why are you here?
37:25Why am I here?
37:26I'm the one that ran the showman.
37:28Why?
37:29Who told you to?
37:30You told us to.
37:32Well, why didn't you welcome you?
37:33I believe my mum is simply grieving for the loss of her mother
37:37and is taking it out on me and I'm so upset because I've turned a corner.
37:41The way she had a go at me, it dropped me down a bit,
37:44but I will 100% pass this test.
37:46Yes.
37:48Who's Joe?
37:49He's a friend that stares at me at the moment.
37:52You share drugs or not?
37:53Eh?
37:54Joe's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
38:05Do you make drugs together, Joe?
38:07I used to.
38:09Has he changed his life?
38:12Partially.
38:13But I know for the fact he didn't take this money.
38:15How do you know that?
38:16Were you there?
38:17Because I live with them.
38:19And I would notice a change.
38:21What do you mean you'd notice a change?
38:22Well, I would notice a change.
38:23I just bought you heroin two days ago.
38:24I went and borrowed the money.
38:26Oh.
38:28Who from?
38:29From your girlfriend.
38:30I brought a Blu-ray plug back into...
38:32It's £1,000.
38:33Eh?
38:34It's £1,000.
38:35Your dead grandmother's money.
38:37Did you steal it?
38:38No.
38:39I didn't steal it.
38:40Why do you think he stole it?
38:42Past record.
38:43Stole everything else.
38:44Answer that.
38:45You name it.
38:46He's took it.
38:47Yeah, I admit to that.
38:48So you understand why you'd be a suspect?
38:49Yes.
38:50Oh, no.
38:51Pardon?
38:52I don't see why she's blaming this.
38:53I can't...
38:54I can't...
38:55I can't...
38:56I can't...
38:57You're the only one in the house when I got...
38:58Your mother's...
38:59Nobody comes to the house.
39:00Your mother's embarrassed by you.
39:01Hello?
39:02Your mother's embarrassed by you.
39:03Yeah.
39:04If you say so, I'm embarrassed.
39:06Who cares?
39:07Read the results.
39:08Because I'm trying to sort my life out, and every time I...
39:11Oh, yes, sorry, only 48 hours ago, I took some heroin, but I am indeed trying to sort my life out. How does that work?
39:16I'm on a methadone script.
39:17Well, then, don't take heroin, then!
39:19APPLAUSE
39:22Methadone!
39:23Methadone means you're up heroin, doesn't it?
39:26What do you want a methadone?
39:27I used to be.
39:28I used to be.
39:29I take heroin.
39:30What do you think if she knew?
39:31How many times have I come up and lied for you?
39:33So I wouldn't upset her?
39:34Well, she never knew he took heroin?
39:35No.
39:36How long have you been taking heroin, kiddo?
39:39Since I was 13.
39:40Why is that?
39:41Because you lost your dad?
39:42No, because me dad was selling it, and I used to drop it off for me dad.
39:47Is that true?
39:48Well, was that when you were living with him?
39:49Yes.
39:50And my dad's friends used to give us heroin, and when my dad died, I was already addicted to heroin.
39:56That's terrible.
39:58By anybody's standards, Alison, isn't it?
40:00And when you asked us about it, and I sat on the bench in the kitchen, did I lie to you then?
40:04Did I turn around and say to you yes?
40:06The thing is, if you're going to be clean of heroin, you would know this.
40:08If you've been on heroin for 20 years, you would know you can't dabble with heroin.
40:11You can't go on and off it.
40:13You're either, you know, dependent or you're not.
40:17You can't just be an occasional loser.
40:18Give me those results, Will, please.
40:20I'm trying to get my life back to where I want.
40:23I've got my own flat.
40:25Do you want these?
40:26Yes, I want them, please.
40:27You have to wait three minutes.
40:28Going to a break.
40:29Right back.
40:30No, I haven't taken one of you, I promise you.
40:32Help me tell you!
40:33Help me tell you!
40:34Help me tell you!
40:35You need help me!
40:36You smoke calories!
40:37You said I want to do it!
40:38I said I want to do it!
40:39Years ago!
40:40You were still smoking it!
40:41Two years ago!
40:50Welcome back!
40:52Andrew, Alison, friend Joe as well.
40:57Did he nick the money?
40:58No.
40:59And how do you know he didn't nick the money?
41:01Because I would notice a change in him, straight away.
41:03You said you'd eat the card.
41:06During the test, Andrew did cooperate, but he appeared drowsy.
41:10There's a surprise.
41:11During the test, Andrew was not capable of remaining focused.
41:13There's a surprise.
41:14His psychological condition was not acceptable for testing.
41:17Therefore, I'm afraid to tell you, Jez, the test was inconclusive.
41:20Whoa!
41:21Wait!
41:22Wait!
41:23Wait!
41:24Wait!
41:25Wait!
41:26How's that?
41:27He asked us to stay waiting, concentrate on something like...
41:30Concentrated on one...
41:31Come here!
41:32Come here!
41:33Come here!
41:34Come here!
41:35Come here!
41:36Come here!
41:37Come here!
41:38Come here!
41:39Come here!
41:40Mum, I haven't taken money, I promise you!
41:43How many times have I heard it?
41:44How many times?
41:45Every single time you do it!
41:46It wasn't me, Matt!
41:47I've never done it!
41:48I promise I've never done it!
41:49Then why would I come down here to try and prove that I haven't done it?
41:52Because I've pulled you out on it and you said...
41:55See, it's you fool!
41:56I said, I'll never speak to you again!
41:57Right!
41:58I said, the only way I'll do it is you fooling Jez and you prove it!
42:01And I ran there!
42:02I'll do it, I'll do it!
42:03And you did!
42:04And I did!
42:05And then, surprise!
42:06Surprise!
42:07It's not coming back that I'm lying, it's coming back inconclusive!
42:09It's the same bloody thing!
42:11It's the same thing!
42:13Uh-huh!
42:14Inconclusive is lying!
42:15You asked us to concentrate on something in the stairway, yeah, he said...
42:18Right, tell you what I'm going to do this very, very, very, very differently
42:21and I don't know whether you understand.
42:23How old are you?
42:2435!
42:25It's the best chance you're ever going to have in your life,
42:27but I owe you something, right?
42:29When was the last time you took drugs?
42:30Lie to me and you got no chance!
42:32When was the last time you're off your head now, aren't you?
42:34You sound like you're off your head!
42:35Come on, mate!
42:36You can barely string two sentences together!
42:39When was the last...
42:40Don't!
42:41Two days ago!
42:42And what about before that?
42:44Before that?
42:45Come on!
42:46You haven't been cleaned!
42:47You haven't been cleaned, so you have been taking it, haven't you?
42:50I haven't seen it or not!
42:51Hello!
42:52You've been taking it, haven't you?
42:53I was all day!
42:54Right!
42:55You've been taking it more than just two days ago, haven't you?
42:58I've taken on a payday!
42:59On a payday?
43:00How can you just take on a payday?
43:01Do you work?
43:02It's an addictive substance!
43:03Huh?
43:04I don't know!
43:05So you're just taking, as she quite rightly said, on a payday, an addictive substance.
43:08You're not nicking it or stealing for it or borrowing money to have it during the week.
43:12So you can control it?
43:13I'm not controlling it, but I'm trying my best to control it.
43:17I was on 90 millimethodone, I've got down on 90 millimethodone down to 60 millimethodone!
43:21Explain something to me.
43:22Look at me.
43:23That's fine.
43:24But why you're topping that up with heroin that will kill you is beyond me.
43:27Look at me.
43:28The one thing I've learnt over the last few years is this.
43:32The only way, the only damn way you are ever going to do anything with your life on this show is to admit it.
43:37You're a heroin addict, aren't you?
43:39Yeah.
43:40Why haven't you asked for help before?
43:42Because every time I ask a help, you've got a way for this or you've got a way for that.
43:46I got out of jail in 2015, killing off methadone, killing off heroin.
43:51What did you go to prison for?
43:522015, so why are you...
43:54I may finish what I've got to save him.
43:56Did his father give it to him at 13?
43:58Did his father give it to him at 13?
43:59More than lately.
44:00Well, then he needs our help, doesn't he?
44:02Doesn't he?
44:03But if he was clean...
44:04Doesn't he?
44:05I think I've got a 13-year-old daughter.
44:06I imagine somebody giving her heroin.
44:08I imagine her life will be in the carsy 20 years later.
44:11But, from your point of view, woe is me.
44:14I want you to open your mouth and admit the things that you've done.
44:17Did you steal that money?
44:18No, I didn't steal that money.
44:19But you've stolen an offer before?
44:21Yes.
44:22You've taken heroin more than you've made out, right?
44:24Yes.
44:25And you've done anything you can to get your fix.
44:26How bad is your life?
44:27Come on, be honest.
44:28How bad is it?
44:29May late?
44:30Until two days ago, May late was brilliant.
44:32How the hell can it be brilliant?
44:33You're still taking heroin.
44:34It's not brilliant.
44:35I'm...
44:36I'm getting...
44:37I'm getting...
44:38I'm getting...
44:39I'm cutting...
44:40You've never...
44:41You've never come out of the gutter since.
44:43I've come out of the gutter.
44:442015.
44:45I come home.
44:46I was clean of everything.
44:48Why did you not speak to him for ten years?
44:50Do you feel responsible in any way?
44:52Because I moved down south.
44:54I was sent to live with my uncle.
44:56Just...
44:57Just...
44:58Just turn this round a minute.
44:59But why were you sent to live with him?
45:00Can I just turn this round a minute?
45:01I'm not going soft in my old age.
45:02But so you've got a 13-year-old kid, really impressionable age, who's under the auspices
45:06of his dad.
45:07He gave his own son heroin.
45:10He watched his dad die of heroin.
45:12Not having a go.
45:13Just saying.
45:14Then his mother ignores him for ten years.
45:16And he's sent away to live with his uncle.
45:17I'm not making excuses for his crimes or his addiction.
45:20On the phone.
45:21It was always,
45:22Can you send us some money?
45:23I need money for rent.
45:24I need money for Lecky.
45:25Who was your hero?
45:26Dad.
45:27What happened to you when he died?
45:30I went over the rails.
45:32What would he say right now?
45:34What would he say?
45:36No, no, no.
45:37This is the best thing that's ever going to happen to you, and we're going to do it for a reason.
45:42Look at me.
45:43I've been accused of something I haven't done right.
45:45Right, I'll tell you what.
45:46Do you want to know something?
45:47Get clean and prove it then.
45:48I'm going to shock you now.
45:49Look at me.
45:50If you wouldn't get clean, prove to me.
45:53Have you not got a lie detector test?
45:54Prove to me you didn't take that money.
45:55No, no, no.
45:56Look at me.
45:57I'll forgive you.
45:58Look at me.
45:59I'm going to shock you now.
46:01I believe you didn't steal the money.
46:04I didn't.
46:05Don't laugh.
46:06But I'll tell you what I do know.
46:07You've lied to yourself and to everybody in your life for too long.
46:12I'll take all the story about your dad.
46:14Look at me.
46:15You want my help?
46:16Really?
46:17If I want the help, Ray, you need to admit, you smoke cannabis.
46:21I said I wouldn't do it, Ray.
46:23Where have you gone?
46:24Years ago.
46:25You were still smoking it two years ago until I came home when I was two years ago.
46:29I was 15.
46:30Did you?
46:31I'm sorry.
46:32I'm sorry.
46:33I'm sorry.
46:34Everything's coming out.
46:35Everything is coming out.
46:36Look at me.
46:37Look at me.
46:38Look at me.
46:39I'm sorry.
46:40I'm sorry, Mum.
46:41I said I wouldn't do this.
46:42He wants your approval so much you wouldn't believe it.
46:44Graeme, can you come here a minute?
46:45And I know I'm not the pro, but I just want to say something to you.
46:48We've done an awful lot for a lot of people on this show, right?
46:51Can we work with this guy and see?
46:53Can we?
46:54Look at me.
46:55Look at me.
46:56Look at me.
46:57I like your honesty today.
46:58She's going to laugh at me.
46:59Maybe you nick them.
47:00I don't think you did, but I go back to a kid at 13, Graeme, whose dad was giving him
47:04herring.
47:05Can we please do our best to work with this guy and help this guy?
47:07Maybe find him somewhere down the line if he can prove that he wants to change.
47:10Maybe talk about whatever you're going to do.
47:12Some counselling.
47:13Maybe down the line some rehab, whatever.
47:14But you have to be totally honest with me.
47:16OK?
47:17That's the one understanding that we have to have right now.
47:20You need to be 100% honest with me.
47:22Do you want to help?
47:23Yes.
47:24Promise me.
47:28I really appreciate you coming on.
47:29Thank you very much indeed.
47:31That's well done.
47:37Good luck to them.
47:38We'll let you know and we'll keep you updated.
47:40I am though for this morning out of time.
47:41If you want to be on this show, you need my help, visit our website.
47:43The details are on the screen.
47:44To my guests, to this audience and to you at home.
47:46Thanks for watching.
47:47I'll see you very soon.
47:48Take care.
47:49Bye bye for now.
47:50Bye bye.
47:51Here we go.
47:53I am Judge and Jury.
47:54You are perverting the cause of justice.
47:55Oh my god.
47:56Look at that.
47:57That is absolutely disintegrating.
47:58You are saying I am judge and jury. You are perverting the course of justice.
48:06He's going to be in these homes, the back of these houses.
48:10Oh my God, look at that. That is absolutely disintegrating.
48:15So you sold drugs today for that month. How much is that?
48:18Well, gross.
48:18Get out! Get out! Get out!
48:21You used acid on someone.
48:24Threw it in his face.
48:25You threw it in his face.
48:27It was excruciating.
48:29You have to pause as much time as you can.
48:30You know what the outcome was going to be.
48:32There'd be a lot more that would have said to him.
48:34If that was your son and he died, what would you say?
48:37I don't know if I had something to say about it.
48:38Then you're going to have blood in your hands.
48:40When you're out here, you are on your own.
48:42It's the face that's a fight.
48:56I'm out there.
49:10You