PTI vs PTI: Is the Party Naturally Splitting or Being Torn Apart?
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00:00PTI versus establishment, PTI versus PMLN, PTI versus the world.
00:07For the past few days, there has been only one news, PTI versus PTI.
00:11It seems that the differences that were previously denied,
00:15or what is said to be a natural course of events in parties,
00:19have now come to the fore.
00:21Groupings have come to the fore.
00:22Ali Amin Gandapur Sahib has one group,
00:24Junaid Akbar, who has all of them,
00:26Asad Qaisar and Atif Khan, all of them are in another group.
00:29There were always two or four groups.
00:31In the beginning, we used to listen to PTI America versus PTI Pakistan.
00:35Because PTI America did whatever it wanted,
00:37tweeted, did everything, because there were no consequences there.
00:40And the PTI people here used to say that they are sitting in America,
00:43they write whatever they want, they say,
00:45we suffer.
00:47Then in PTI Pakistan, we saw the groupings in front of us.
00:50Some are natural.
00:51And now we have seen that it has gone to such an extent
00:54that allegations of billions of fraud are put on each other,
00:57then allegations are put on each other,
00:59who is talking in secret to the establishment, who is not.
01:02And all these things were going on,
01:04then Azam Sawati Sahib's statement came.
01:06His statement is clear in saying,
01:09where obviously it is visible that he is clarifying his position,
01:12that why did I do it, what am I doing,
01:15on whose orders am I doing it.
01:16But the immediate impact of that is that
01:18a question has arisen on two very big things.
01:22One is that the PTI has always insisted that
01:24we are not talking to anyone.
01:26That keeps happening and should happen.
01:28There is nothing wrong in it.
01:30But from Azam Sawati's statement,
01:32it seems that it was initiated by him.
01:35And one thing that I used to say again and again in my programs,
01:38and many people did not believe it,
01:39because many of our other friends used to say that
01:41this offer is coming, that offer is coming,
01:43and I used to say that look, no offer is coming,
01:45one side is not ready at all.
01:47They did it today too.
01:49These were very important developments.
01:52We will talk about all these things.
01:53Where do we stand?
01:54Then an important delegation came.
01:56And the people of PTI America were very prominent in it.
01:59There was Barki Sahib, Atif,
02:01these are the people who have done a lot for Imran Khan
02:04and are still doing it.
02:05But when they met here from different circles,
02:08then the same thing happened with them
02:11from PTI's digital wing,
02:14which happens with the rest.
02:16Azam Sawati also spoke on that.
02:18I will tell you about that too.
02:19And I will also tell you about that meeting
02:21which took place at a very important place for them.
02:24There, obviously, as expected,
02:26they spoke about Imran Khan's release,
02:29some kind of a room should be created
02:32where there is a formula for co-existence.
02:34And I am saying co-existence to be fair to the delegation.
02:37They did not say to anyone that we need forgiveness,
02:40we need charity.
02:42They said that co-existence is necessary for the country.
02:45So it was a matter of tolerating each other.
02:47They were messaged two or three things there.
02:50They were told that, look,
02:51on one hand, you want to talk
02:53and you want to talk to the leadership of the army.
02:57On the other hand, your people go and get resolutions tabled
03:00which by name target the army chief.
03:03Your media is not in your control
03:05and if your social media is not in your control,
03:08no one owns it,
03:09then how will you talk?
03:11We are hearing a lot about guarantors,
03:14that individuals cannot be guarantors.
03:17They have no status.
03:18We are not able to see the government on the horizon.
03:21All these things were going on.
03:23And according to my understanding,
03:25there was some kind of an understanding
03:27that let's meet again in a month or two
03:29and see how things pan out.
03:31Now, all this was happening.
03:32So today, the PTI official,
03:34again two big hard-hitting tweets came from there.
03:37And again, they have targeted the army chief.
03:40By taking his name,
03:41that his regime has done a lot of violations,
03:45elections, fraudulent elections,
03:47and then one tweet is even more damaging
03:50that in that,
03:51those statements were given
03:52which were very personalised statements.
03:54For example, in 2024,
03:56when they said,
03:57yes, the establishment has done everything
03:59that it could do.
04:00Now, all they have left is to murder me.
04:03Then, if something happens to me,
04:05then the army chief and DGIS,
04:06I will be responsible.
04:07This is from 26th August 2024.
04:09All these statements were made in these tweets.
04:12The second is also a very personalised tweet.
04:15It can be seen clearly
04:17that if a group from America is coming,
04:19if they are meeting,
04:21then they should not raise their voice.
04:24And somehow,
04:25two strange statements are going on about the PTI.
04:28But the latest thing that Mr. Sawati has said,
04:31I will tell you about that too.
04:32What about that?
04:33In the first part of the programme,
04:34we will talk about the PTI.
04:35Another meeting is very interesting.
04:37I will talk about that in the second part of the programme.
04:39And that meeting is of Mariam Nawaz Sahiba
04:41and Mohsin Naqvi Sahib.
04:43It was a very innocent meeting.
04:45It took place.
04:46Then Mohsin Naqvi came on Eid
04:48and met Nawaz Sharif.
04:50But I will tell you the background of that meeting
04:52and why that meeting is important.
04:54And especially,
04:56in that meeting,
04:57Mariam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba
04:59had to call on Mohsin Naqvi.
05:01Many people may find it normal
05:05that the Chief of Punjab
05:07has called on the Interior Minister for a meeting.
05:10But believe me,
05:11the power play that is going on,
05:13at that angle too,
05:14this messaging is very important.
05:16What is it? Why is it?
05:17We will talk about that in the second part of the programme.
05:19In the first part of the programme,
05:20Salman Akram Raja Sahib has joined us.
05:22He is the Secretary General of PTI.
05:24Assalam-o-Alaikum, Salman.
05:25Yes, Assalam-o-Alaikum.