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00:00This is today's theme.
00:02The truth about Koji Higashino's 40 years of acting career.
00:0540 years?
00:0640 years?
00:08That's a long time.
00:09I don't like it.
00:10I really don't like it.
00:11You don't like it?
00:12I really don't like it.
00:13It's like, in my late 20s, early 30s,
00:16I think the talent and the entertainer
00:19look like they're having fun.
00:20Ah, so that's how it is.
00:22I think I'm jealous.
00:24It's the truth from your debut to your 10th year,
00:26but if you were to add a subtitle,
00:28what would it be?
00:29Hmm...
00:31What would it be?
00:33First of all...
00:34I stumbled.
00:35Oh, really?
00:36It's not like you had hope?
00:38No, not at all.
00:39I stumbled.
00:40What does that mean?
00:41Like, you can't beat Downtown?
00:42No, it's not like I can beat them.
00:44It's like, this is how fun it is.
00:46This is how these people are going to sell.
00:50Koji Higashino.
00:5140 years of acting career.
00:52First, he met Downtown.
00:54He said he stumbled.
00:5510 years after his debut.
00:57What was it like at the time?
00:59At first,
01:01it was like a gathering of people
01:03who wanted to do something new,
01:05something that wasn't manzai.
01:07And then there was an audition.
01:08Were there amateurs?
01:10Yes, there were.
01:11And then,
01:12Imada-san, me, Itao-san,
01:14people like that came together.
01:16I didn't know them,
01:17but they told me to make a story and come.
01:20That's how I got in.
01:22So that was the start of being an entertainer?
01:24Yes, that was the start.
01:25And then later,
01:27it became a two-day theater.
01:29At 4 p.m.,
01:30it was broadcast every day on Monday.
01:32Downtown did the Obi program in the evening.
01:35At 4 p.m.,
01:36it was already a legendary program.
01:38Yes, yes, yes.
01:39So in the evening,
01:40high school students hurried home.
01:43It was broadcast live from 4 p.m., right?
01:44Yes, yes, yes.
01:45They wanted to see it,
01:46so they went home right away.
01:47High school students who wanted to go home
01:49were told that there were fewer bad guys.
01:51It was a time when everyone went home.
01:52What about Imada-san?
01:54Itaho-san, Hongo-san, and NSC.
01:56So you were a free amateur.
01:59Yes, yes, yes.
02:01That's how I got in.
02:03That's how I got in.
02:04That's how I got in.
02:07Literature becomes a person.
02:08Literature becomes a person.
02:09Literature becomes a person.
02:10Literature becomes a person.
02:12I just happened to get a call at 4 p.m.
02:16So I didn't think it was my power,
02:19or that Downtown would go to Tokyo
02:21and become a big star.
02:25Well, I thought it was after that.
02:29I see.
02:30It's amazing, isn't it?
02:31In Osaka.
02:32It's a big place.
02:33How did you feel at that time?
02:35When you were young,
02:36when you went out,
02:37high school girls were all over you.
02:39So I thought,
02:40Downtown is amazing.
02:42Did you feel that way about Hikashino-san?
02:44No, that's because
02:45girls also have the power to live,
02:47and human instincts.
02:48Downtown has a high competition rate.
02:50That's true.
02:51Isn't that right?
02:52It's like,
02:53Machama-chan, Gyaa!
02:55It's a bad way to say it,
02:57but there are girls with big noses.
02:59No, no.
03:00And there are girls who are sweet.
03:02Well, well, well.
03:03So it's like that.
03:04Those people come to me.
03:07So you didn't get carried away?
03:09No, I didn't.
03:10Didn't you have a plan, Hikashino-san?
03:12I had a plan,
03:13and I had a part-time job,
03:15but I wanted to do a live show by myself.
03:17Now that I think about it,
03:19when I appear on a TV show later,
03:21I do all the skills I need to do
03:24in a live show.
03:26Isn't that right, Yoshimoto?
03:28Yes, that's right.
03:29Like free talk.
03:30Like a game corner.
03:31Like a game corner.
03:32An amateur, an ordinary person comes,
03:34and sings, and does a manzai.
03:36That's amazing.
03:37I do all of that in a small theater.
03:41And the TV became big.
03:44Masai and I were probably the first to do that.
03:50That's probably what it is.
03:51Now that I think about it.
03:52That's because the Yoshimoto side
03:54wants to raise people who can be active on TV.
03:58To give you a detailed example,
03:59Yoshimoto Kogyo at the time
04:01was a small production company.
04:03Oh, really?
04:04So Osaki Production was...
04:06Oh, as an example.
04:07As an example.
04:08Osaka Production was Noh Kanban Talent Downtown.
04:12That's why we didn't do manzai or do business in theaters.
04:18So that's how it was split up.
04:21So this was an anti-Yoshimoto, anti-Kagetsu catchphrase.
04:25We couldn't do manzai, so we did comedy.
04:28And we wanted to be a fun TV talent.
04:32It was a fairy production.
04:34And that's where we got in.
04:36I see.
04:37So that's where you got in.
04:38After this.
04:40I told Yoshimoto not to say things like that.
04:43Of course.
04:44I told him not to say things like that.
04:45He's a crazy guy.
04:50Next is after the end of Yojidesu Yoda,
04:53when Higashino looks back on his hard work.
04:56When was this?
04:57So this was a big split up.
04:59Downtown went to Tokyo.
05:01Osaka stayed and did Shinkigeki for about two years.
05:04Everyone under Downtown went there.
05:06Did they tell you to go there?
05:08Osaki was in charge of Shinkigeki's reform.
05:11So you really told Osaki to go there?
05:14Yes.
05:15And I told him I didn't want to go to Shinkigeki.
05:20So I told him I'd quit.
05:21That's amazing.
05:22You told him you'd quit being a comedian.
05:24I told Yoshimoto I'd quit.
05:26I told him not to say things like that.
05:28Of course.
05:29I told him not to say things like that.
05:30He's a crazy guy.
05:31I told him not to say things like that.
05:34So after those two years,
05:36Gottsuei Kanji started.
05:39And Downtown and TBS both started.
05:43So I quit Shinkigeki and went there.
05:46So Downtown invited you there?
05:49Yes.
05:50I told him I wanted to work with Downtown.
05:55So he invited me there.
05:57And after that,
05:58I told him I wanted to work with Iitomo.
06:02So you were quite active.
06:03Yes.
06:05He was married when he was young,
06:08so he was under a lot of pressure to raise his wife and children.
06:13On the other hand,
06:14Gottsuei Kanji graduated from Downtown.
06:19He had to work as a talent
06:21where Downtown wasn't.
06:24He felt like he was about to make his debut.
06:28How old were you when you got married?
06:30I was 24.
06:31I got married when I was in Shinkigeki.
06:33When you were in Shinkigeki?
06:35Did you have a stable income in Shinkigeki?
06:41I had about 280,000 yen.
06:43I think it was good that I got married.
06:45If I hadn't got married,
06:46I wouldn't have been able to go to Tokyo.
06:48I had to take responsibility and work hard.
06:50I had to work hard at first.
06:53Downtown's Gottsuei Kanji is a very popular show.
06:57It's a legendary show that we used to watch when we were in elementary school and middle school.
07:01It has a plot and a story.
07:03I don't know how to explain it,
07:07but it's the latest comedy show.
07:10It's like you're sharing a room with Unnan.
07:13That's why I used Matsumoto's idea
07:16to make a plot and a story.
07:19What kind of schedule did you have?
07:21I had a plot on Monday and a story on Tuesday.
07:24When did you come up with the plot?
07:26I came up with the plot based on the previous week.
07:30Matsumoto-san came up with the plot.
07:32That's amazing.
07:34Everyone had their own idea.
07:35But everyone was funny,
07:36so we all came up with the plot.
07:38We didn't say it in our heads,
07:41but we cleared it easily.
07:47How was it?
07:48You were spending a lot of money
07:50to come up with a set that you wanted, right?
07:53It would be fun to do this with a speech.
07:55It would be fun to do a set like this.
07:57Everyone would laugh.
07:58Everyone was laughing at the set
08:01that they had in their heads.
08:03When we were done,
08:05the director of the show
08:07came up with the set.
08:10Matsumoto-san came up with the set.
08:12It was different from what Matsumoto-san had in his head.
08:14He said,
08:15this is different.
08:17Then I thought,
08:18I can't do it.
08:19So I went home.
08:20That's amazing.
08:22But I was like,
08:23what?
08:24I'm not old enough?
08:28Can I take this home?
08:30That's how it was.
08:31But the way you spent money and effort
08:34is something you can't do now.
08:36So we were serious about
08:38making something funny.
08:41Of course, there was a lot of pressure.
08:44How was it?
08:45Did you learn anything from GOATS?
08:48GOATS was serious about
08:51working with Downtown.
08:55There was Tamori-san from Wara-te-ii-tomo.
08:58He was like a different kind of comedian.
09:02He was like a guest
09:04from a school festival
09:06on a live show.
09:07He was like,
09:08yay!
09:09Something like that.
09:10He was a student like that.
09:14I learned how to speak from Shinsuke-san,
09:18who was a guest in the beginning
09:21of the Law Consultation Center.
09:23And I learned how to speak from three people
09:26who were young,
09:28like old men and women.
09:33That's a lot.
09:35So I learned how to speak in front of Downtown
09:40when I was in a line.
09:44Sometimes, I was late.
09:45That's right.
09:46In the beginning.
09:47I thought GOATS was very aggressive.
09:50I didn't mean to be aggressive.
09:52I just didn't grow up there.
09:54I didn't realize it.
09:55This is where I learned a lot.
09:58The Japanese TV show.
10:00GOATS was just funny.
10:02That's right.
10:04Shinsuke-san was a guest,
10:06but he didn't talk to anyone.
10:09When he was laughing,
10:10I was the only one laughing.
10:12That's amazing.
10:13There were 100 people laughing,
10:14but he didn't care at all.
10:16I thought that was amazing.
10:18Also, Iintomo.
10:19He was very emotional.
10:21He was like,
10:22what's going on for an hour?
10:24No, no, no.
10:25It was like magic.
10:27Everyone was so emotional.
10:29I was so happy.
10:30That's right.
10:31I can say that.
10:32But because of that,
10:34he was recognized as a TV talent.
10:36In that sense,
10:37in these 10 years,
10:39he was able to stumble at first,
10:41but he was able to stand up
10:43and be proud of himself.
10:45He was able to move forward.
10:49It took him 10 years to move forward.
10:53Next,
10:54it's been 10 years since he started
10:56working as an MC at Higashino.
11:00He happened to become a regular.
11:03After that,
11:04it was a valuable experience.
11:07Arabic Dan was given a position
11:09that suited him.
11:10He started thinking with the staff.
11:13Arabic Dan.
11:15Arabic Dan happened to be
11:17a red carpet show.
11:19A short story boom.
11:20A short story boom.
11:21There were a lot of short stories.
11:23Enta no Kameshama.
11:24There was Enta no Kameshama.
11:25There was no TBS.
11:26It was made by Yoshimoto.
11:28I wanted to do a short story show.
11:30I was asked to do it with Mr. Fujii.
11:33I was like,
11:34yes, yes.
11:35What kind of show would you do?
11:37I said,
11:38I auditioned for it,
11:40but I wasn't there.
11:42I said that at first.
11:43What do you mean you weren't there?
11:45I've heard that a lot of comedians are there.
11:47I was consulted by 5 people.
11:50That's amazing.
11:51You auditioned, but you weren't there.
11:53I said,
11:54there was no one who was good.
11:56I was like,
11:57I was like,
11:58I was like,
11:59I was like,
12:00I was like,
12:01I was like,
12:02I was like,
12:03I was like,
12:04I'm going to do the guests as well.
12:07I see.
12:09I'm going to do the guests and the intro.
12:12I'm going to do it alone.
12:14Fujii and I are going to do it.
12:15So please just film the video.
12:17Originally, the jokes were played properly.
12:19There aren't many jokes on the show, right?
12:23No.
12:24Maybe only the first episode.
12:26I put in 5 or 10 guests.
12:28The first time, I put in a guest in the V.
12:32I see.
12:33I didn't want to be a nuisance.
12:35After the show, I decided to do everything myself.
12:38I see.
12:39That's how I started Arabic Dan.
12:41I see.
12:42It's a show about jokes.
12:45For us, Arabic Dan is a show about VTR.
12:50I see.
12:52That's how I started a new show.
12:54I see.
12:55I was recognized by the world.
12:58I realized I wasn't wrong.
13:00It was fun.
13:01What was the format you came up with?
13:03Did it reach the world?
13:04Until now, when I was on GOATS,
13:06I thought it was funny.
13:08But I realized I was wrong.
13:10When Matsumoto-san said it, I realized I was right.
13:12That's when I realized I was wrong.
13:14Since then, I've been doing this kind of thing.
13:17I've always liked doing this kind of thing.
13:21But it's not like there's a place for it.
13:25You say that on your radio show.
13:27I felt it was worth doing.
13:29The idea of doing this kind of thing.
13:31I felt it was worth doing.
13:33I thought I was good at this kind of thing.
13:35I see.
13:36I'm sorry to say this,
13:37but I thought I was good at entertaining people
13:40who probably wouldn't accept it in front of the audience.
13:45I was like a con artist.
13:49These 10 years have been amazing.
13:51It's true.
13:52I've never had this kind of experience.
13:55I've never had a woman who retired,
13:58who caused trouble,
14:00or who took care of Yoshimoto.
14:03I've never had that happen.
14:06I've never had that happen.
14:09I've never had that happen.
14:13I'm sorry.
14:15But you've been working hard.
14:19No, I haven't.
14:22In Tokyo, I'm grateful for the line-up.
14:25The problem is,
14:26I'm treated like a legend.
14:28That's how it is.
14:30It's the same today,
14:31but I don't like this.
14:36What am I doing today?
14:40Can I take this home?
14:42In his 40th year in the industry,
14:45he lost three regulars.
14:49This is what talent is.
14:51It's a cycle of increasing and decreasing.
14:54But I think it's also a cycle of aging.
14:58Manzai artists, singers, and actors are all great.
15:03There's a stage for that.
15:05Talent is the least of these.
15:08Everyone who wants to be a talent is an idiot.
15:12That's not true.
15:13Everyone who wants to be a talent is an idiot.
15:16Do you have any worries?
15:20I've only lived once between my parents.
15:24I'm doing this.
15:26I don't know if you'll retire.
15:29When I'm 60,
15:31I think I'll go down.
15:33It was three years earlier than I thought.
15:36Oh, really?
15:37Three years.
15:38This is the first thing I'm going to say.
15:40It's been three years since I fell in love.
15:41I'm the one who fell in love.
15:43It's just a word on the Internet.
15:45I'm not embarrassed to say this.
15:50It's okay.
15:51I can do this.
15:53It's been a long time since I've seen it.
15:57I'm going to a variety show now.
16:00I'm worried that I'll be treated as a legend.
16:03That's right.
16:05I don't like this.
16:08I don't like to talk about looking back as a legend.
16:12It's hard to be treated as a legend.
16:15So I'm worried about what to do.
16:19But I think I'll be called to work more seriously.
16:28You'll be in trouble if you don't have a cheeky young man.
16:32That's right.
16:33If you become a person who only worships.
16:35It's easy to mess with me.
16:37That's right.
16:39I'm not angry.
16:40I'm not angry no matter what I say.
16:42That's right.
16:43It's easy to mess with me and Mr. Imawa.
16:46Why did you give me a specific name?
16:49Mr. Higashino is in charge of Marlboro.
16:52I'm relieved to see that he likes this kind of comedian.
16:57I see.
16:58I don't know why he laughs like this.
17:00I'm laughing.
17:01I'm laughing because it's too serious.