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KHABAR Muhammad Malick Kay Saath | ARY News | 3rd April 2025
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Host:
- Muhammad Malick
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- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
-Umair Khan Niazi PTI
- Kamran Murtaza JUIF
KHABAR Muhammad Malick Kay Saath | ARY News | 3rd April 2025
(Current Affairs)
Host:
- Muhammad Malick
Guests:
- Sharmila Farooqi PPP
- Bilal Azhar Kayani PMLN
-Umair Khan Niazi PTI
- Kamran Murtaza JUIF
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00:00Assalamu Alaikum, you are watching Khabar Lahariya, I am Muhammad Malik.
00:30The coming week and 10 days are very interesting because two movements are ready.
00:34People's Party is ready to run a full-blown movement on the issue of rivers.
00:40And who is it going to run against? Against their own government?
00:43Because technically, even though they say that they are not a part of the government,
00:46but the government is standing on their head.
00:48So, against whom will the movement be run?
00:50This is also a big issue.
00:52Opposition, PTI, they are saying that they had a plan after Eid.
00:57Now, in the coming days, a whole alliance will be formed and we will run a nationwide movement.
01:03Issue, which is still the biggest question mark, what will be the role of the JUI?
01:08But the question is also related to that.
01:09If the JUI and their final things are all decided, then who will lead it?
01:18It seems that Maulana Sahib will lead it or Mehmood Ashrafzai Sahib can lead it.
01:25But either way, what will be the role of PTI in that?
01:28Will it be totally independent?
01:30And whose statements will run?
01:32These are the interesting things of the coming days.
01:35So, we have put a broad panel for you today so that we can discuss all the angles.
01:41We have joined us in the studio by Bilal Kiani Sahib, Minister for State for Railways
01:44and Assistant Secretary General, PM LNB.
01:48I was asking the program earlier what the Assistant Secretary General does.
01:51He smiled and did not answer me.
01:54I am Niazi Sahib, Senior Leader of MNA PTI.
01:57And we have joined us by Shamila Faruqi Sahiba, Senior Leader of MNA, Pakistan People's Party.
02:03And Kamran Musa Sahib, Senator and again, Senior Leader of JUI.
02:07All of you are here.
02:09Shamila, let me start with you because this narrow issue has become very serious.
02:14In one of my shows, Rana Sinhaullah Sahib said a very interesting thing.
02:19I told him that your own allies are preparing to run a movement against you.
02:24Because he had said in a show earlier that our alliance with the PPP is a compulsion.
02:29They cannot go anywhere and we cannot go anywhere.
02:32But he gave a very powerful reasoning.
02:34He said that it is the compulsion of the People's Party and they have made a very good political move
02:40that they have controlled this narrative so that they can talk about it.
02:44The nationalists, the small parties, they had heated the atmosphere.
02:49So the People's Party has taken over the issue so that it does not clash and we talk about it.
02:55Otherwise, it was very damaging politically on the ground.
02:59In other words, he was saying what I understand,
03:02that the People's Party is putting a cap on its people, the people of Sindh,
03:06that the protest is leading, but as such it is not leading because it wants to end talks with the government.
03:14And they did not want the issue to be hijacked.
03:17How serious are you people in this matter?
03:20And can this be a break-up line if you do not have a compromise with the PMLM government?
03:27So can this be a political divorce in this matter?
03:33Thank you, Mr. Malik.
03:36I am surprised that a senior politician, Mr. Rana Sanola,
03:41can talk so seriously about such a serious issue.
03:45This is not a plan, Mr. Malik, that rivers are being built and water is being diverted.
03:52The river Sindh is the lifeline for Sindh.
03:56This is a matter of life and death for us.
03:59The river Sindh not only gives water to Sindh,
04:02but also provides water to the people of Sindh.
04:07If you divert the water of the river Sindh to irrigate a desert,
04:15what will happen to Sindh?
04:16Sindh will become barren.
04:18This is our lifeline.
04:19And when you fight for your lifeline, you do not do politics on it.
04:25This is not a movement to divert attention or to take a stake from someone else.
04:31We had a movement on the Kalabagh Dam and we stopped that plan.
04:35This is a tradition of the People's Party.
04:37When the People's Party runs movements, big things are stopped.
04:41Big sacrifices are made.
04:42And we have made sacrifices, our elders have made sacrifices.
04:46But if you look at the report of yesterday's Met Office,
04:53this time it rained 62% less.
04:57And the Met Office has issued a declaration that
05:00there can only be a drought in three provinces, including Punjab.
05:04Now if Punjab says that we will divert our water and take it to Cholistan,
05:09then when Punjab will not have water to fill its stomach,
05:13then from where will it divert water?
05:15The river will be taken from Sindh, it will be stolen.
05:17And this has been happening every year,
05:19that Sindh has always complained to Punjab that Sindh's water is being stolen.
05:24We do not even get the water that we are supposed to get under the Water Accord.
05:28We get 25-30% less than that.
05:31And because of climate change, you have seen that there is a condition of drought.
05:36Sometimes there is a flood.
05:37In 2022, there was such a flood that everything was submerged.
05:41And for the past 10 years, from 2001 to 2022,
05:45there was a situation of almost a year of imprisonment.
05:47There was no water to bathe the dead in Sindh.
05:50Now the thing is that on this issue, we have raised objections from day one.
05:55We say that this matter should be taken to the Council of Common Interest.
05:59Sindh will fight its case on technical grounds, you decide.
06:03It has been 13 months today, the Prime Minister does not call for a meeting.
06:07What is his compulsion?
06:09What is stopping him from not being able to fulfill a constitutional requirement?
06:16And you take a case there.
06:17We have fought our case openly, on the streets, in the parliament, we want to fight it in the council.
06:23But the obstruction that is coming, the restraint that is coming,
06:28it is coming from the Prime Minister, it is coming from the PMLN government.
06:32You can ask this question to Mr. Rana Salona,
06:35why is the Council of Common Interest meeting not being called?
06:38When there is a constitutional requirement that all three names have to be called.
06:41Tell me one thing, there was a meeting in July 2024.
06:46The President had presided over it.
06:49In that, the Green Initiative was discussed and all these things were discussed.
06:53Plans, that there will be waves in Punjab, which he agreed to.
06:58Now it is being heard that Bilawal's line is different.
07:02Presidents are in the accommodating line, but Bilawal is on the right line.
07:06So is there a split within your party as well?
07:13Mr. Malik, there is no split.
07:15You have heard the President's position very clearly in his speech to the Parliament.
07:22And he has said that he is a symbol of loyalty and he cannot endorse any unilateral decision that is controversial.
07:30It is very clear, he has spoken to the Parliament.
07:34And after that, I think there is no doubt about it.
07:37Look, the Green Initiative is a very good plan.
07:40It is being carried out under the SIFC.
07:42You should definitely do it.
07:44We do not say that you should not make the desert as a desert, you should not build castles there.
07:48But you have water, right?
07:50Where will you get water from?
07:52Let me get Bilawal Kiani on this.
07:54Council of Common Interest is a perfect forum on this.
07:59It has been a year since it was formed.
08:01There was not a single meeting.
08:03It is necessary to meet once in 90 days constitutionally.
08:06You people force everyone to go on the streets.
08:09Why don't you do it?
08:11Why didn't you call for a CCI meeting?
08:13And the Punjab government says that we are doing our own water.
08:16Shamila said that our water has been stolen before.
08:21Has Punjab been stealing water?
08:23In the name of Allah, the most merciful.
08:25Mr. Malik, thank you very much for inviting me to your show.
08:27Look, Mr. Malik, it is very simple.
08:30As you said, my understanding was that the People's Party was on board with this initiative.
08:37Mr. Sharmila is right that there is no harm in such an initiative.
08:44I don't think there is any harm in it even if there is a need for further consultation after the initial process.
08:55CCI can be a final approving forum.
08:58Otherwise, if there is a need for further consultation between the communities
09:05and whatever technical discussion needs to have to have further clarity, I think it can be done and it should be done.
09:10And I think it has been done.
09:12There has been an apex committee of the SIFC in one forum where all the ministers are present.
09:17No, it is serious because Bilawal met the Prime Minister and we said that maybe some things have been settled.
09:25Then Jamil Somro gave a speech on Bilawal's political sector.
09:29He said that on 4th April, when it is the time of Barsi, he will announce and Bilawal will lead this movement.
09:38So, it is a serious issue.
09:40Mr. Malik, that is the decision of his party.
09:43I am just saying that I think we all agree that the water requirement in Punjab should be met.
09:51The water requirement in Sindh should be met, whether it is for the farmers or the citizens.
09:54If there is a technical discussion regarding the availability of water, its preservation, its effective utilization.
10:12Then why don't you call that forum?
10:14No, CCI is not necessary.
10:16I think that the consultation on other issues, People's Party has been an ally, not just in this government, in the 2022 government as well.
10:24They are not in the cabinet, but as a result of a political alliance, they are a government.
10:27Other issues are discussed in a mature way.
10:30Do and die is for them, not for you.
10:32You can back off.
10:34No, no, look, we take any issue of national unity seriously.
10:38They have a position that the consultation that is required will definitely be done.
10:41And whatever differences there are, or whatever technical discussion is required, to arrive at a conclusion where there is some consensus.
10:48Has Punjab ever stolen water from Sindh?
10:50In my knowledge, there is no such thing.
10:52But look, I am not an expert on this.
10:54That is why I don't want to get into a debate on this.
10:56This is a very sensitive topic.
10:58It is a topic of national unity.
11:00I just say that there is no harm in this.
11:02In fact, it should be done.
11:04On the availability of water.
11:06But before I go to other politics of Balochistan, I want to talk about two issues.
11:13Sharmila, I want to ask you one last question on this topic.
11:17Is this issue a red line for the People's Party?
11:21If the Punjab government or the federal government do not compromise on this.
11:25Both are PMLN governments.
11:27Can your unity be broken on this?
11:33Mr. Malik, it would be appropriate to say this.
11:37The Central Executive Committee of our party makes such decisions.
11:43The CEC has decided to join the PMLN government.
11:49And if there is a decision contrary to this, which I hope will not come to that stage.
11:53And if the government resolves this issue in a positive way.
11:59Then that decision will be taken by the CEC.
12:01Where the leaders of all four provinces will sit.
12:04So, joining them was not just a decision of the CEC.
12:08It was a decision of someone else.
12:10Maybe there is something there.
12:12No, no matter what you say, whatever the impression is.
12:16But decisions in the People's Party are made after the endorsement of the Central Executive Committee of this level.
12:26But it is a serious issue.
12:28It is a very serious issue.
12:30It is a matter of life and death.
12:32If you consider it serious or if you consider it a very serious issue.
12:36It is a matter of life and death.
12:38If there is a shortage of water in Sindh or if there is no water, Sindh will become barren.
12:44From here, Sindh contributes to you.
12:46I think the point is well taken.
12:48In the sugarcane, in the rice.
12:50CCI is the best forum.
12:52Call the Council of Common Interest and solve the matter in it.
12:54Exactly.
12:56We also have the same opinion.
12:58You can take it to the CCI.
13:01Kamran Bhai, let's start with you.
13:03You are a senior.
13:05Tell me, what kind of guarantees do you need?
13:07You said you need written guarantees from the PTI.
13:09What kind of guarantees do you need?
13:11And you are so unconfident that you are not ready to speak.
13:13Handshake is not good enough for you.
13:15No, it is not a guarantee.
13:17You can say that it is an issue that is present between us.
13:19And it is necessary to address it.
13:21And then you can say that it is not a guarantee.
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15:29The PTA has raised the issue of who will lead.
15:31The PTA has raised the issue of who will lead.
15:33Imran Khan is inside.
15:35After him, I don't understand anything.
15:37After him, I don't understand anything.
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23:25If you want to improve the election process
23:27If you want to bring electoral reforms
23:29If you want to bring electoral reforms
23:31They will not come on the streets
23:33They will come inside the parliament
23:35The first day when Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
23:37The first day when Bilawal Bhutto Zardari
23:39gave his speech in the parliament
23:41gave his speech in the parliament
23:43in this current assembly
23:45He invited the PTI
23:47He invited the PTI
23:49to come and sit with us and do electoral reforms
23:51to come and sit with us and do electoral reforms
23:53The PTI even reminded us
23:55that when we used to sit on that side
23:57We used to cry for form 45
23:59You used to laugh at us
24:01You used to claim that we have form 45
24:03We didn't even have a form 45
24:05This is a very good opportunity
24:07this is a very good opportunity
24:09you to sit with us and do electoral reforms
24:11so that in the next election
24:13the winner can celebrate victory
24:15and the loser with seriousness
24:17and the loser with seriousness
24:19You are saying to sit in the parliament
24:21not on the streets.
24:22See, the reforms will happen on the streets, not on the streets.
24:26Bilal, tell me this.
24:28You can run the movements, you can do agitation, but actual change will come from the parliament.
24:33Where they don't sit, where they don't want to talk.
24:36Bilal, apparently there is no pressure on you people.
24:39Your one page is fine, economic mega trends are also improving,
24:44IMF's agreement has also been approved again, the review has also been done.
24:50PTI is in the doldrums, they are in trouble, they have their own legal issues, everything is there.
24:56There is pressure on you, but there are some optics.
24:59For example, PTI has gone to the court,
25:02to start the process of Chief Election Commissioner,
25:04to bring two election commissioners.
25:06These are the small things that the government can do very easily,
25:09and you can make a deal with them, that no, no, they exploit everything.
25:13Why doesn't the process of Chief Election Commissioner start?
25:16Why don't these things start?
25:17And secondly, if this movement doesn't start,
25:21then is there any pressure on you to talk to these people?
25:24Sir, there are two things.
25:25First of all, what you said, you were analysing regarding this potential alliance.
25:31In my opinion, it is unnatural.
25:34That is also unnatural for your previous party.
25:36No, no, unnatural means that the minimum common agenda,
25:42on which you are going to gather, is elections.
25:44In elections, as you yourself were saying,
25:46where the main complaint of the JUIF is that Khyber Pakhtunkhwa has come,
25:50then the protest is made in Peshawar, outside the CM House, I think.
25:53Anyway, this is their matter.
25:55As far as you said, why doesn't anyone trust PTI,
25:59then you can sit here with four people,
26:01apart from the four of us, four people, with Mr. Imail Niazi,
26:03his three party colleagues, and you will have a talk show.
26:05You will get some different opinions on every issue.
26:08Secondly, the 26th amendment,
26:10this was a process, which eventually passed,
26:14with near political consensus.
26:16You can even say with political consensus.
26:18I am making this claim, based on the discussion you just had,
26:21that Mr. Suleman Raja, as Secretary General of PTI,
26:24gave credit to Mr. Maulana in the end,
26:26that now the constitution which is being finalized,
26:28we have no particular objection to it.
26:30We are thankful to Mr. Maulana,
26:32but as a matter of principle, we will not vote for it.
26:35But he endorsed the constitution.
26:37That is why today, when they say against the 26th amendment,
26:40they have no legs to stand on.
26:42Thirdly, Mr. Malik, the question you just asked,
26:45see, Alhamdulillah, macroeconomic stability,
26:48is better than people's expectations.
26:50Are there more challenges?
26:51Of course there are.
26:52We have to address them as well.
26:53But IMF's review,
26:54even after all the speculation, passed.
26:56Expenses were reduced, even after all the speculation.
26:59In the IMF program,
27:00we got an additional $1.3 billion
27:02resilience and sustainability facility from IMF.
27:06Alhamdulillah, we are moving in the direction we wanted.
27:11But nonetheless, it is not a matter of pressure.
27:13We say that the PTI should play the role of the opposition.
27:16If you have constructive discussions on these issues,
27:19then we welcome it.
27:21But even today, the condition of the parliament is that
27:24the same question hour,
27:25the same calling attention notices,
27:27which the opposition usually runs in the house
27:29and the government answers,
27:30these are not done in the house.
27:31All these questions,
27:32Mr. Sharmila is sitting here,
27:33you ask her,
27:34the People's Party plays a very active role in this.
27:36Our MNAs,
27:37our ministers ask questions,
27:38our MQM allies ask questions,
27:39but these people come,
27:40give speeches,
27:41throw books,
27:42tear papers,
27:43and walk out.
27:44So even before,
27:45they got up from the table of jokes.
27:46We want,
27:47whether it is terrorism,
27:48whether it is economy,
27:49they should give their input on this.
27:50They should play the role of the opposition.
27:52We welcome that.
27:53No,
27:54you should also treat them like the opposition.
27:56If they want to talk to the party chairman,
27:58if they want to meet Imran Khan,
28:00they have to go to the courts and take orders.
28:02You don't let them meet.
28:03Mr. Malik,
28:04we have met before.
28:05We are still meeting.
28:06You know,
28:07these are repeated excuses to get up from the table.
28:09Now,
28:10you look at the recent security briefing.
28:12In that,
28:13you see,
28:14there was a security briefing.
28:15You come daily to give a speech,
28:16to come to the Parliament
28:17and tell us about these issues.
28:18This was Mr. Ayyub's daily speech.
28:20When the opportunity came,
28:21the army chief is present there,
28:22the prime minister is present,
28:23in camera,
28:24for 5-6 hours,
28:25for this very purpose,
28:26there is a briefing,
28:27and you take an excuse and leave.
28:28What decision did you have to bring there?
28:30There was a briefing,
28:31a security briefing.
28:32You sit in that,
28:33you talk in that,
28:34you ask questions there,
28:35you get information.
28:36But,
28:37if Palestine…
28:38In that,
28:39he has two opinions in his party.
28:40Many people say that we should go,
28:41many people say that we should not go.
28:42Sir,
28:43you get up every time.
28:44If you are the APC of Palestine,
28:45you get up.
28:46If you are an Amla of Balakot,
28:47even during his own government,
28:48there was a security briefing.
28:49Do you see Imran Khan's reaction in 2025?
28:53Look,
28:54I don't think so,
28:55because he is a convict,
28:56and it is a crime.
28:57It is a clear crime.
28:58One crime of 190 million pounds is enough,
29:00I think.
29:01But,
29:02you took 50 million pounds of your people's money
29:03and put it in a person's pocket
29:04without any justification whatsoever.
29:06So,
29:07there is a convict with a clear crime.
29:08Sir,
29:09I asked this question to Rana Sanaw Allah.
29:11He said,
29:12I think Imran Khan himself
29:13does not want to come out until 2030,
29:15and he is doing such politics
29:17that I think he will not be able to come out.
29:19Do you think that in 2025,
29:21because
29:22you criticize these courts and the system,
29:24you say that after the 26th amendment,
29:26the entire judicial structure,
29:28the government has made it such that
29:29we have controlled it.
29:30So,
29:31we will not get justice.
29:32But,
29:33your politics seems to be that
29:34only in the courts,
29:35you are the one who has been asked to come out.
29:37On the streets,
29:38you do not seem to have the capacity
29:39for agitation.
29:41Imran Khan is ground ripe.
29:43This bubble is going to burst at any time.
29:46Now,
29:47that is fine to that extent.
29:48But,
29:49the jail is not locked from the outside.
29:51Imran Khan has locked it from the inside.
29:53Because,
29:54Imran Khan wants to come out
29:55without any compromise.
29:56If you want to compromise,
29:57there were a lot of occasions.
29:59He can avail any deal.
30:01But,
30:02Imran Khan has the visibility of the entire canvas.
30:04You see,
30:05he has a lot of priorities.
30:06You have discussed the issue of water for so long.
30:09But,
30:10what is the real problem?
30:11No one is coming to the real problem.
30:12The real problem in this country is that
30:13we are wasting water.
30:15How much water are we wasting?
30:16Every year,
30:17we pass 29 million acre feet
30:19from the Indus delta
30:21and fall into the Arabian Sea,
30:23which is being wasted.
30:24What is the requirement of the delta?
30:257 to 10 million acre feet.
30:27And,
30:28he wants it around the year.
30:30When will you give it around the year?
30:31When you have reservoirs.
30:33You cannot make a consensus in the reservoirs.
30:35Political parties…
30:36That is another thing.
30:37First,
30:38you tell me here that
30:39I have one more question
30:41that I want to ask
30:43Mr. Kamran Murza.
30:45But,
30:46let me do one more issue first.
30:47Because,
30:48this is the last segment.
30:49The issue of Balochistan has become very serious,
30:51Mr. Kamran.
30:52Because,
30:53you are sitting in Quetta.
30:54Let me tell you that
30:55a very scary trend has come.
30:57Because,
30:58even the mainstream politicians,
31:00irrespective of your views,
31:02like Mazik Talaf,
31:03Akhtar Mengal,
31:04or Mr. Jagjit Singh,
31:05or others,
31:06who believe in the constitution,
31:07and do such things,
31:08they too have become
31:09forced to follow the ground reality.
31:11Maring Baloch,
31:12etc.
31:13They have to go and
31:14ally with them.
31:15Because,
31:16their followers
31:17have become
31:18stronger on the ground.
31:19If you look at the government of Quetta,
31:21they have formed
31:22a hardened state committee.
31:24Perhaps,
31:25hard states
31:26are not formed
31:27by committees anyway.
31:28And,
31:29the interior minister
31:30will deal with
31:31everything.
31:32In Balochistan,
31:33you can see
31:34the maturity
31:35approach
31:36that the government
31:37needs.
31:38Because,
31:39I feel that
31:40there is no difference
31:41between activists
31:42and terrorists.
31:43And,
31:44the terrorists
31:45are exploiting
31:46genuine issues.
31:47So,
31:48we are fighting
31:49the terrorists,
31:50but we are not
31:51addressing those issues.
31:52There is an issue
31:53of backwardness,
31:54there is an issue
31:55of missing people.
31:56We are not addressing
31:57those issues.
31:58We have focused
31:59on killing the terrorists.
32:00They have
32:01forced us
32:02to take
32:03two seats.
32:04Akhtar
32:05has been
32:06able to
32:07save one seat.
32:08Mahmood Khan
32:09has been
32:10able to
32:11save his seat.
32:12The rights
32:13that they
32:14talk about
32:15in the morning,
32:16we are
32:17being
32:18able to
32:19maintain
32:20ourselves
32:21with great
32:22difficulty.
32:23The people
32:24who have
32:25faith in the
32:26government,
32:27but
32:28want
32:29to get
32:30the rights,
32:31because of
32:32those
32:33who
32:34are
32:35pointing
32:36the finger,
32:37the other
32:38group,
32:39which you
32:40call
32:41terrorists,
32:42have
32:43become
32:44stronger.
32:45You
32:46have
32:47brought
32:48all of
32:49us to
32:50a point
32:51where
32:52we
32:53have
32:54no
32:55choice
32:56but
32:57to
32:58fight.
32:59We
33:00have
33:01no
33:02choice
33:03but
33:04to
33:05fight.
33:06We
33:07have
33:08no
33:09choice
33:10but
33:11to
33:12fight.
33:13We
33:14have
33:15no
33:16choice
33:17but
33:18to
33:19fight.
33:20We
33:21have
33:22no
33:23choice
33:24but
33:25to
33:26fight.
33:27We
33:28have
33:29no
33:30choice
33:31but
33:32to
33:33fight.
33:34We
33:35have
33:36no
33:37choice
33:38but
33:39to
33:40fight.
33:41We
33:42have
33:43no
33:44choice
33:45but
33:46to
33:47fight.
33:48We
33:49have
33:50no
33:51choice
33:52but
33:53to
33:54fight.
33:55We
33:56have
33:57no
33:58choice
33:59but
34:00to
34:01fight.
34:02We
34:03have
34:04no
34:05choice
34:06but
34:07to
34:08fight.
34:09We
34:10have
34:11no
34:12choice
34:13but
34:14to
34:15fight.
34:16We
34:17have
34:18no
34:20choice
34:21but
34:22to
34:23fight.
34:24We
34:25have
34:26no
34:27choice
34:28but
34:29to
34:30fight.
34:31We
34:32have
34:33no
34:34choice
34:35but
34:36to
34:37fight.
34:38We
34:39have
34:40no
34:41choice
34:42but
34:43to
34:44fight.
34:45We
34:46have
34:47no
34:48choice
34:49but
34:50to
34:51fight.
34:52We
34:53have
34:54no
34:55choice
34:56but
34:57to
34:58fight.
34:59We
35:00have
35:01no
35:02choice
35:03but
35:04to
35:05fight.
35:06We
35:07have
35:08no
35:09choice
35:10but
35:11to
35:12fight.
35:13We
35:14have
35:15no
35:16choice
35:17but
35:18to
35:19fight.
35:20We
35:21have
35:22no
35:23choice
35:24but
35:25to
35:26fight.
35:27We
35:28have
35:29no
35:30choice
35:31but
35:32to
35:33fight.
35:34We
35:35have
35:36no
35:37choice
35:38but
35:39to
35:40fight.
35:41We
35:42have
35:43no
35:44choice
35:45but
35:46to
35:47fight.
35:48We
35:49have
35:50no
35:51choice
35:52but
35:53to
35:54fight.
35:55We
35:56have
35:57no
35:58choice
35:59but
36:00to
36:01fight.
36:02We
36:03have
36:04no
36:05choice
36:06but
36:07to
36:08fight.
36:09We
36:10have
36:11no
36:12choice
36:13but
36:14to
36:15There are divergent views on this, there are divergent views on this, that who is a patriot,
36:22who is not, who is funding whom, who is following whose orders, there are many things, we cannot
36:28pinpoint on one person, but nonetheless the situation is so sensitive that you will have
36:35to act in a very sensitive manner.
36:38I agree, I agree, let me get to Mayer and Bidal on this.
36:42I have a complaint against the PTI that you always have your own crisis, what will happen
36:49to the chairman, what will happen to us, leave that.
36:52You move away from national issues.
36:55Balochistan is a serious issue.
36:57The national resources of that province can solve all our financial issues, but you don't
37:03go to their committee meetings because there are other issues.
37:08You don't play the role of a central opposition.
37:12Why should we take you seriously?
37:38You should go to Balochistan.
37:40We have initiated the process from our platform.
37:43You will see after Eid, we will engage all the parties.
37:47In October 2021, Imran Khan's cabinet approved a package of 600 billion for South Balochistan.
37:55The aim was to build dams, roads, schools.
37:59There are 23 lakh families, according to the government figures.
38:04You can do two.
38:0692 billion is only going into the pockets of the leaders and some people's pockets.
38:11If you divide that 92 billion among 23 lakh families, or if you give 2 crores to each family,
38:17it becomes 6-7 billion.
38:19It is a very easy solution.
38:21Why don't you make our national priority?
38:24There are talks, there is an event, then everyone wakes up in Balochistan.
38:28Jaffar Express happened.
38:30It is a shocker that such a strong operation took place that there were very few casualties.
38:33The killing could have been very massive.
38:35Then the world will move towards normalcy.
38:37Why not the top priority on the radar?
38:40Absolutely on the radar.
38:42The thing is, Mr. Malik, what you were talking about a while ago,
38:46it has two aspects.
38:47In fact, there are three aspects.
38:49One is, if you terrorize, terrorize.
38:51Absolutely, kill him.
38:52And on top of that, you make some excuse or try to connect it with some grievance.
38:57I think this is an apology strategy.
38:59Terrorists should be treated like terrorists with a single-minded approach.
39:03On the other hand, dialogue with the regional political representation.
39:09Prime Minister, you saw when he went there,
39:11that community was also there.
39:13Abdul Malik Baloch was also there.
39:15But he came to my show later and said,
39:17Abdul Malik, I don't see anything new.
39:19It was more of the same.
39:21No, no, Mr. Malik, I was not expecting him to agree with everything we said.
39:25But there was a discussion, a session.
39:27Then the Prime Minister said,
39:29we will discuss and consult further.
39:31There is one political dialogue that has to be done.
39:33The government will do that too.
39:35There, the Prime Minister also said,
39:37the developmental needs of the students there,
39:40the rights of the citizens,
39:42the economic empowerment,
39:44work on that is also necessary.
39:46And you saw, there was a follow-up.
39:48The Prime Minister's entire cabinet, when he was in Saudi,
39:50the entire cabinet also went.
39:51So that is a priority.
39:52And on that, God willing, we will continue to work.
39:54And certainly, to say that there are no minorities there,
39:56there are, and we will address them.
39:58Balochistan, is it a security issue or a political issue?
40:00It's both. It's both.
40:02But we tend to see it through a connecting lens.
40:04No, no, look, there are Pakistani citizens there,
40:06who have rights.
40:08If any Pakistani citizen there,
40:10for example,
40:12does not get the economic rights that other Pakistanis are getting,
40:14that should be a problem.
40:16But the security concerns, we will address them.
40:18We have run out of time.
40:20Thank you very much to all the panelists.
40:22Pakistan's biggest issue is terrorism.
40:24But in KP,
40:26and there is a difference.
40:28In KP, the Taliban's influence
40:30is only of violence, mischief, and terror.
40:32They do not have support in the public.
40:34Balochistan has an issue,
40:36which is a genuine issue.
40:38It has missing persons, it has backwardness,
40:40it has poverty, it has a sense of alienation,
40:42of people, they think,
40:44no one cares about us,
40:46Wafaaq or other provinces.
40:48It has a sense of exploitation.
40:50Terrorists are exploited.
40:52India invests money in it,
40:54others invest money in it,
40:56Gulf states invest money in it,
40:58for their vested interests.
41:00We are not addressing those issues.
41:02I have repeatedly said in these programs,
41:04the army can fight terrorists,
41:06but it cannot fight terrorism.
41:08These issues will be addressed,
41:10because there is support in the general public
41:12for this statement.
41:14So first of all, our decision makers
41:16will have to take this statement
41:18away from the terrorists.
41:20And that can only happen
41:22if the general public gets the sense
41:24that their issues are being addressed.
41:26The problem will not be solved
41:28only by operations.
41:30This is a very broad approach
41:32which is not difficult.
41:34There are 23 lakh families,
41:36but only 92 billion rupees
41:38is being spent every year
41:40on fake levies.
41:42The people who are close to 32,
41:44Sardar and others,
41:46they spend 6-7 billion rupees.
41:48There is a solution,
41:50but it is very simple.
41:52We have to decide whether we want to
41:54look at Balochistan from a security lens
41:56or from a political lens.
41:58This is the difference.
42:00Let's see what happens.
42:02May Allah protect you.