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00:00Telematutino 11, as always, is grateful for the support you give us by following us on TeleSistema, our YouTube channel, Telematutino11RN, and many other platforms.
00:11Happy Thursday! Good morning, Jaqueline Morel.
00:13Good morning, Ramón. Good morning, Dominican Republic.
00:15Telematutino 11 begins on Thursday, April 3rd.
00:18As always, the invitation is made for you to join us at this time of the morning.
00:23Together, we will make a tour of some of the main themes of the country and the world.
00:28This morning, we received young people with innovative proposals that are part of our legislative power.
00:36These are Ms. Liz Adriana Mieses-Diaz, a member of the First Circumstance,
00:43and Ms. Carmen Ligia Barceló-González, a member of the Province of Hato Mayor.
00:48Both belong to the Modern Revolutionary Party and have many important things to tell us.
00:57And also, Ramón, today we are going to congratulate Kenya Grissani, who is turning 16,
01:03who is the daughter of our dear collaborator, Kenya, and there we see her as a princess.
01:09Many blessings and may it be a day of great happiness for her and her family.
01:15From here, a big hug.
01:17The bad thing is that time goes by very quickly, because I remember the 15th.
01:20The 15th was yesterday.
01:21That's right.
01:22She's turning 16.
01:25Well, these two deputies are the example of why the PRM is so strong and why it will be difficult to bring it down.
01:33Because the PRM has given participation to young people, a young directive,
01:39and that guarantees sustainability and permanence.
01:44But well, the main news was President Trump's ancillary war against the whole world.
01:51Yesterday, Trump ignored eight rounds of negotiations of the GATT,
01:56the General Agreement on Trade and Taxes, the World Trade Organization, the Free Trade Treaties.
02:03He ignored everything.
02:05The Dominican Republic, 10% of tariffs.
02:10That has a lot of focus.
02:12I hope you can see it in the picture.
02:16What appears in blue is what Trump says the countries apply to the United States.
02:22And what appears in yellow is what they are going to apply.
02:26That's what they want.
02:28We were lucky because there is a report from the Department of Commerce.
02:31It doesn't correspond, Ramon.
02:32No, no, that's an invention.
02:34There is a report from the Department of Commerce that is too long and I can't read it.
02:38But they complain to the Dominican Republic about the issue of rice,
02:42about the issue of chicken, about the issue of pork, about the slowness of phytosanitary issues,
02:48about the slowness of trade records.
02:51It's a mess.
02:53But I think that since we have a trade surplus,
02:58I mean, the United States has a trade surplus with us.
03:02They recorded us with a 10.
03:04Now, with the countries that have a strong trade deficit,
03:08because the United States has a trade deficit of 918,400 million,
03:13which is all the money in the world.
03:15And Trump wants to break that because the US debt is 3 trillion, 116% of GDP.
03:24Well, yesterday was, according to Donald Trump, the day of liberation.
03:29And it was the day when he applied the aranceles and the changes in that most important area in the history of the United States.
03:39Today, the whole world is reacting, rethinking its strategy,
03:44the economies of each country by block, by regions, by continents,
03:48because no one is going to be indifferent to Donald Trump's measures.
03:53Donald Trump promises that this will make the United States much stronger,
03:58that it will be very beneficial for that nation and that justice was done in that sense.
04:03It is obvious, Ramón, to think that this was not done overnight.
04:07Donald Trump had been thinking about this strategy and what he was going to do once he won the elections.
04:13And in a very short time, he has put the world on its feet, as we Dominicans say,
04:20with a lot of concern worldwide.
04:22This is how the main media, written, radio, television, social networks in the world witness it.
04:29They are surprised by these measures that, although they were expected,
04:33and others are coming from April 9 for the world.
04:37Chips, semiconductors, etc.
04:39So, there he put aranceles to everyone, including the countries that are closest to them.
04:4810% for Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Peru,
04:53Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, El Salvador, among other nations.
04:57No, Nicaragua was 18.
04:58Yes, Nicaragua was 18, Venezuela was 15.
05:04As you saw, it's better than mine, maybe you can see that screen.
05:08Yes, I have the picture here.
05:10I sent it to you.
05:13For example, 34% for China, 20% for the European Union, 46% for Vietnam, 32% for Taiwan,
05:2124% for Japan, 26% for India, 25% for South Korea, 36% for Thailand,
05:2931% for Switzerland, 32% for Indonesia, 24% for Malaysia, 49% for Cambodia, and so on.
05:38I mean, I don't think there's anyone left out, Ramon.
05:41And, obviously, some people bet that there might be a breach of negotiation with Trump.
05:47That's never known.
05:49There will be conflicts, we'll have to see.
05:53As you say, broken agreements, treaties.
05:57Look, there will be countries that will try to negotiate.
06:00That's the case of the Dominican Republic.
06:02And others will simply take reprisals, like Europe, Japan, Korea.
06:11What's the impact on the Dominican Republic?
06:13Obviously, it has an impact.
06:15Yes, but...
06:16It has an impact everywhere.
06:18No, no, but what's our problem?
06:21What's going on?
06:24The Franco zone is the main thing.
06:26Exactly.
06:27Because our exports to the United States are just 6,915 million dollars.
06:33As our friend Mercedes Carrasco said yesterday,
06:36our exports are getting less and less in relation to GDP.
06:39And of that, 75% is in the Franco zone.
06:43What's going on?
06:44What are our competitors in the area?
06:46Costa Rica, Guatemala, Honduras.
06:49And those countries have the same 10% as us.
06:51That, in a way, is good.
06:54Because we're equal.
06:55No one has more advantage than us.
06:57And that, in a way, guarantees us an equality
07:00when it comes to who has more or less advantage.
07:04Exactly.
07:05We have an advantage.
07:06Everyone who goes to the United States sees that all the clothes say
07:09Made in China, Made in Vietnam, Thailand.
07:13So, those countries that compete with us,
07:16mainly with manufacturing,
07:18have 30% and 40% tariffs.
07:21Now, our problem is Mexico.
07:23Because Mexico is not involved in this.
07:25Mexico has 25% tariff on vehicles
07:29and 0% tariff on steel and aluminum
07:32for the Franco zone.
07:34Mexico is the country most favored by Neil Shorin.
07:37That is, American companies that were installed near the United States.
07:41So, that is our main problem, Mexico.
07:44That 10% could be more attractive to install in Mexico
07:48than in the Dominican Republic.
07:50And, obviously, in Neil Shorin, too.
07:53Because we also have two obstacles,
07:56which is the educational issue
07:58and the high cost of energy.
08:00That's right.
08:01And Donald Trump declared a national emergency for his country
08:04and that these measures will lead to that desired well-being
08:07for American society.
08:09And he has asked, which in a way was a claim
08:12of a large part of the American population,
08:15especially some with certain American characteristics,
08:19white people, who claimed a change.
08:22They attributed it to massive migration,
08:26well, to the loss of jobs,
08:28and the cost of living
08:30and some facilities that over time were being lost.
08:33Now Trump has promised to return to the United States
08:36big again.
08:38And within that greatness, well,
08:40he's going to take a lot of things.
08:42Let's see how that has an impact inside,
08:44because he has said...
08:46Initially, there will be a price increase in the United States.
08:49And there will also be difficulties in several countries.
08:54There is a global slowdown in the economy
08:58and even a recession,
09:00because everything that had been built in decades
09:04has just been broken yesterday.
09:07There is no guarantee that the industries will return
09:11to the United States, as he intends.
09:13Trump said yesterday,
09:14whoever wants Arancel Zero,
09:16should come here.
09:17Exactly.
09:18That's the idea at heart.
09:19But, look, we'll have to see, Ramon.
09:21If there is that guarantee of Arancel Zero,
09:23many will go and settle there.
09:25The problem is the cost of the North American labor force.
09:28A North American worker makes you ten times...
09:31But they're not going to pay Arancel.
09:33Maybe that will compensate.
09:34As an economist, I really don't know.
09:36We'll have to make a calculation in that sense.
09:38But he says that foreign presidents,
09:40prime ministers, kings and queens,
09:42and ambassadors who are calling us
09:45and asking for exemptions in these Arancels,
09:48I tell them to finish their own Arancels,
09:50to lower the barriers and not manipulate the currency.
09:54There are reactions from Europe, Ramon.
09:57That is an invitation to bilateral negotiations.
10:00What happens is that when you say so many things
10:02about manipulating the currency,
10:04everyone manipulates the currency,
10:06including the United States.
10:07When the United States wants to improve its competitiveness,
10:09it devalues the dollar.
10:12So there are things that are impossible to improve
10:17if the countries can lower the Arancels
10:20that the United States applies.
10:22All that will come.
10:23But there are others that are not going to double
10:25and I think the United States is going to lose many allies.
10:28Those countries like Thailand, Cambodia,
10:31all those countries are going to throw themselves
10:33into China's arms.
10:35And we have a serious educational problem.
10:39Yesterday in El Listín Diario they published a work,
10:43which is an article by an economist, Alan Pritchett,
10:46and it was published by CEPAL,
10:48which places the Dominican Republic
10:50in terms of learning,
10:52not in terms of quality of education,
10:54only above Guatemala and Paraguay.
10:59But the most serious,
11:01what worried me the most,
11:03in personal terms,
11:04is that I thought that my grandchildren
11:06who are in bilingual schools
11:08were prepared.
11:10And that study says no,
11:12that even in countries where people
11:15of middle and high class
11:17have a better education,
11:19it turns out that the level of our learning,
11:23the level of excellence,
11:25is one and a half percent.
11:28Other countries, two.
11:30And the best countries in Latin America
11:32are in a ten,
11:34in Latin America.
11:36So how are we going to compete
11:38if those who can prepare
11:40don't have the level of learning
11:42of the young people of a developed country?
11:45Well, we have to rethink, Ramón,
11:48if that's the case.
11:50I didn't understand the dynamics,
11:52because we know that the quality of education
11:54in Dominican public schools is low.
11:58The teacher's performance,
12:00the content of the curriculum,
12:02the educational expense, is deficient.
12:05And besides that,
12:06his ability is not fulfilled.
12:08And if we add to that
12:10school absenteeism,
12:12early dissertation,
12:14and many other factors
12:16that gravitate in the environment,
12:18we believed that private education
12:20was much more rigorous in terms of content
12:22and in terms of hours of classes,
12:24and so on.
12:25With the thousands of dollars
12:27that any bilingual school costs,
12:29I thought that my grandchildren
12:31were getting ready.
12:33Now I'm worried about their age.
12:35It's a problem that is congenital,
12:37and I don't think it is,
12:39because there are very good
12:41intelligent Dominicans
12:43and with good preparation.
12:45Now that alerts us
12:47that we still have to make a greater effort
12:49and that education is number one.
12:51Last night I was in a conversation, Ramón,
12:53and one of the guests
12:55gave testimony about how the brain,
12:57and we know this,
12:59has plasticity,
13:01depending on the content
13:03that one puts on it,
13:05and the skills that can be developed
13:07when the person makes the effort
13:09to learn a language,
13:11to read, to do things.
13:13And that's not new,
13:15and that gives results,
13:17and that's not new,
13:19and that educational effort.
13:21A long time ago,
13:23one of my favorite books,
13:25is about how we have to face it,
13:27and how the countries that had
13:29this problem before have overcome it.
13:31And we still have
13:33this great pending task,
13:35which, well, there are many things
13:37that the government has to attend to at the same time,
13:39but in a country like this,
13:41the presidents and the candidates
13:43know what they are getting into,
13:45and what conditions the country is in.
13:47Countries that in the 60s,
13:49like Singapore, Taiwan, and Korea,
13:51were at our level.
13:53Especially with education.
13:55What China did was
13:57send thousands of Chinese
13:59to the United States to prepare.
14:01Of course, they came back.
14:03When our people leave the United States,
14:05to other developed countries,
14:07they stay.
14:09No, Ramón, they take it very seriously too.
14:11For the Chinese, the issue of education
14:13is a family issue,
14:15and they take it seriously.
14:17And the hours they dedicate to
14:19studying, to being excellent,
14:21that is not negotiable.
14:23And the countries that have achieved that
14:25are with that culture.
14:27That is why, when you see
14:29universities and centers abroad,
14:31when you meet
14:33with the Chinese,
14:35or with the orientals,
14:37who have that rigor in education,
14:39they are, one says they are brilliant,
14:41but they have also worked hard
14:43to make that possible.
14:45And that has also been the secret
14:47of the Scandinavian countries,
14:49Norway, Sweden,
14:51the level of education.
14:53Well, going to the local issues,
14:55to the things here,
14:57the Senate has not reached
14:59the consensus to designate
15:01the House of Representatives,
15:03the House of Accountants.
15:05The House of Representatives
15:07does its job.
15:09Ramón, but with what majority
15:11do they have to reach that consensus?
15:13Is it by consensus or by vote?
15:15It's by vote.
15:17Now, what is the problem
15:19in all of this?
15:21There is no doubt that Dr. Emma Polanco
15:23is going to be the president
15:25of the House of Accountants.
15:27In the history of the House of Accountants,
15:29or in which I have memory,
15:31there has not been a president
15:33who has the curriculum
15:35of Dr. Emma Polanco.
15:37But the whole bench, look,
15:39nobody disagrees that she
15:41got the best score.
15:43Look, that's what I don't understand,
15:45because the senators have the score.
15:47She got 98.
15:49So it is assumed that the selection
15:51of the other four
15:53obeys that score.
15:55But there is always the issue
15:57that I want to be placed in this one,
15:59which is my friend.
16:01But what I ask you again,
16:03it's not by vote.
16:05Yes, but do you think it's fair
16:07if there is a person who got 95?
16:09Ah, no, you can't put someone
16:11who got 70.
16:13That's the problem.
16:15What is being demanded is that
16:17the score they have be respected.
16:19If we have it, the senators have it.
16:21If Dr. Emma Polanco got 98,
16:23the highest score,
16:25there is another person who got 96.
16:27Well, that has to be elected.
16:29And the one who got 95 and 94.
16:31Now, don't put me
16:33one of 70 or 75 or 80
16:35for reasons of friendship.
16:37Well, but I suppose, Ramón,
16:39that of the 15 selected,
16:41there were 25, well,
16:43it was 83 or something like that,
16:45I don't remember.
16:47Then they got 25, then 15.
16:49Of those 15, they have to get 10.
16:51Did I say 10?
16:53Five.
16:55But they told me they didn't have a substitute.
16:57Yes, yes, yes.
16:59Well, in short,
17:01if you have to get 10,
17:03you have to get it,
17:05because I'm going to tell you,
17:07it has to be for the merits
17:09and if you don't
17:11choose for the score,
17:13you are disrespecting
17:15the work that the lower chamber
17:17did, because the lower chamber
17:19was the one who interviewed
17:21and gave the score.
17:23So, who are the ones who are
17:25excellent?
17:27Who are they
17:29in charge of, cum laude, summa, cum laude,
17:31cum laude? Those are the ones who have to be
17:33at the top. So,
17:35the parties send very bad messages.
17:39Very bad messages
17:41with wanting to violate that,
17:43because they shouldn't even look at the name
17:45of who got the score,
17:47but let's see who are the best
17:49and the best will be the ones who will go.
17:51Period.
17:53And we saw the experience of the previous management,
17:55which is why it was selected that way.
17:57And previously,
17:59I mean, in the past.
18:01No, it has always been like that.
18:03That's why the accounting chamber
18:05is what the accounting chamber is.
18:07I agree with Dr. Emma Polanco,
18:09because in addition to having the curriculum,
18:11it has the emotional intelligence
18:13to know how to handle
18:15everything that is inside,
18:17and it has the intelligence to know
18:19that there are a number of bottles in areas
18:21that are not needed, and what is needed
18:23are very well paid auditors.
18:25Another thing,
18:27you can't get in without
18:29committing three lawyers,
18:31because the accounting chamber,
18:33you have to be an economist,
18:35an accountant, or an auditor.
18:37You can have one lawyer.
18:39But wait, Ramón,
18:41and if we are coherent,
18:43if within the 15,
18:45the ones with the best scores,
18:47and there are three lawyers, what are they going to do?
18:49Well, if they have that score,
18:51but they also have the management capacity
18:53and the knowledge of auditors,
18:55because that's what it is,
18:57auditing and accounting,
18:59it's nothing else.
19:01Of course, legal, because an audit,
19:03but, for example, in the accounting chamber
19:05there are 20 lawyers.
19:07You say, what for?
19:09In communications, you don't know how many there are.
19:1120.
19:13Mrs. Esma is going to have a...
19:15and with all that salary,
19:17she's going to have well-paid auditors.
19:19Finally, I want to invite my article this week,
19:21Haiti doing metastasis
19:23in the Dominican Republic.
19:25Just like a cancer does metastasis
19:27in the body,
19:29the main cancer emigrates
19:31to the cell.
19:33What's happening here is that
19:35Haiti's cancer is being implanted
19:37in the Dominican Republic.
19:39And when I see news like today
19:41that says they deported 111
19:43illegal immigrants from Friusa
19:45and Guero Alto,
19:47I laugh.
19:49In Friusa there are 111
19:51illegal immigrants? Impossible.
19:53Well, that topic will continue
19:55to be hot.
19:57We haven't talked about the commerce in Haiti
19:59because it's late.
20:01And what the Haitians want now...
20:03No, we have to wait for the 7th.
20:05Next week.
20:07Because the 7th is the date they put
20:09so that the goods on the ground
20:11couldn't...
20:13But you know that doesn't come alone.
20:15That comes with other elements.
20:17But we'll see that with the days.
20:19Don't miss the interview
20:21with the lawyer Liz Adriana Mieses Diaz.
20:23Everyone knows her better as Liz Mieses.
20:25Liz Mieses,
20:27who was a candidate with us.
20:29Liz Mieses, with CRISIÓN Nº 1 of the PRM.
20:31And the lawyer Carmen Ligia Barceló González,
20:33who is a deputy
20:35for the province of Hato Mayor.
20:37Both are from the PRM.
20:39They have an extremely interesting
20:41legislative initiative
20:43now that so many disappearances
20:45are happening.
20:47Very timely.
20:49So don't miss this interview.
20:51Telematutino 11 interview.
20:53Important people.
20:55We have the participation
20:57of two young people with impressive
20:59CVs.
21:01They are mothers, legislators.
21:03Liz Mieses,
21:05deputy for CRISIÓN Nº 1 of the PRM.
21:07She has been several times in this program.
21:09Even when she was a candidate.
21:11And Carmen Ligia Barceló González,
21:13deputy for the province of Hato Mayor.
21:15Also for the party
21:17Revolucionario Moderno.
21:19Good morning and thank you
21:21for accepting the invitation.
21:23Thank you very much,
21:25Mr. Ramón and Ms. Yaquelin,
21:27for giving us the opportunity
21:29to be here with you
21:31and to promote this project
21:33of ALERTA AMBER.
21:35We are very grateful
21:37to be here again.
21:39And thanks to Lique
21:41for taking his chat and his phone.
21:43Look, I want you to participate
21:45with this topic.
21:47And how good that you are here.
21:49You have an initiative
21:51implemented in other countries,
21:53like in the United States,
21:55which is ALERTA AMBER.
21:57It is good that you explain to the country
21:59how that comes up
22:01and what the project
22:03that you are going to submit consists of.
22:05I imagine that this will be approved quickly.
22:07Two or three legislatures will pass.
22:09Well, the ALERTA AMBER
22:11project is basically
22:13a project that creates
22:15the legal framework for
22:17an alert system
22:19for the disappearance
22:21of a vulnerable person,
22:23a child, an elderly person,
22:25or a person with
22:27some cognitive disability.
22:29The idea is that institutions
22:31work in the early hours,
22:33quickly,
22:35at the time of receiving the complaint
22:37to be able to find that person
22:39and that at some point,
22:41depending on the characteristics of the case,
22:43a citizen alert is issued
22:45where the photo
22:47and the details that can help
22:49find more easily
22:51that person who has disappeared.
22:53Well, Liz, we see
22:55daily in the press, or very frequently,
22:57the disappearance of elderly people,
22:59people with some
23:01mental disabilities,
23:03and we are going to say that with a certain frequency.
23:05But before you
23:07embark on this project
23:09of ALERTA AMBER,
23:11did you have any studies,
23:13any statistics of what the reality is
23:15regarding the disappeared person
23:17with the characteristics
23:19that protect that legal framework
23:21that ALERTA AMBER would have?
23:23Indeed, we have,
23:25since we started the legislative work
23:27in August 2024,
23:29and reviewing, this is a project
23:31that we are not pioneers in itself,
23:33it is a project that is replicated
23:35from other countries, around 30 countries
23:37in the world have ALERTA AMBER,
23:39or with another name, but under the same scheme.
23:41Here in the Dominican Republic,
23:43in the last 10 years, there have been
23:45around 2,300 disappearances or frustrations.
23:47At a metric level,
23:49they are not statistics that are
23:51extremely high, as when we put it in reference
23:53with other countries, however, we as a country
23:55cannot afford
23:57that when there is a disappearance
23:59or frustration, it is that it is talked about.
24:01ALERTA AMBER comes
24:03to be able to drive,
24:05you could say,
24:07a faster effect.
24:09The enemy of a disappearance or frustration
24:11is time, and we cannot afford
24:13that people in vulnerability
24:15take 48 hours
24:17after reporting to start a search.
24:19That is why, in my case as a mother,
24:21and in the case of Carmen Ligia,
24:23we bet on the approval of this type of law
24:25that, at the end of the day,
24:27what it seeks is to bring well-being to people,
24:29and it is also replicated
24:31in the sense that it is not only
24:33the disappearance, it is not only the person
24:35who disappears, but also
24:37their family members on that journey
24:39to that disappearance.
24:41They need to have an accompaniment,
24:43which is part of what we also see
24:45in this bill.
24:47I imagine that this will require
24:49the cooperation of several institutions
24:51of the State, right?
24:53Yes, that's right. In fact,
24:55in the bill that we submitted,
24:57a kind of central command is created
24:59that is co-presided
25:01with the Public Ministry and the National Police.
25:03In addition, there is the
25:059-1-1 system and other dependencies
25:07of the police and the armed forces
25:09and other state bodies
25:11so that they work together.
25:13Immediately, we submit the bill,
25:15an inter-institutional commission
25:17of the Ministry of the Interior
25:19and the Police,
25:21the 9-1-1, the police,
25:23precisely those institutions
25:25that we had already discussed in our project,
25:27that, although we had had
25:29prior approximations
25:31to submit the bill,
25:33they already sit down
25:35to talk to us in the Chamber of Deputies,
25:37to socialize with the President
25:39of the Chamber of Deputies, Alfredo Pacheco,
25:41with us two as deputies
25:43and with the spokesman of the PRM
25:45to explain to us
25:47everything they had been doing
25:49for a year and three months
25:51in terms of developing
25:53this type of protocols
25:55for the issue of when someone disappears.
25:57Many of these protocols are already
25:59being implemented.
26:01So, with this bill,
26:03we are going to create the legal framework
26:05so that this alert
26:07and these protocols
26:09can work safely
26:11and be operative.
26:13So, this is a moment
26:15in which the Congress
26:17and the institutions are joining
26:19to get a piece,
26:21not the one that Liz Mieses and Carmelita Barcelo
26:23submitted, but the one
26:25that is needed operatively
26:27so that the protocol works
26:29and so that the alert,
26:31not just the AMBER alert,
26:33but any alert that can be determined
26:35necessary to activate
26:37in case of a person
26:39disappearing, can have that normative framework.
26:41In a country where laws
26:43are not respected,
26:45where we have a Congress
26:47that, well, some say they don't do
26:49the legislative work they are called to do,
26:51we also know about projects
26:53that have years,
26:55decades, very important,
26:57and that don't pass,
26:59what expectations do you have
27:01that this project,
27:03let's say it is approved,
27:05and that there is that legal framework
27:07and that there is that supposed
27:09commitment with the institutions involved,
27:11what expectations do you have
27:13that this is really going to be implemented
27:15in the country and that it is going to work?
27:17Look, precisely, when I met
27:19Carmelita with the group
27:21of institutions, I felt very
27:23pleased by the disposition we saw
27:25showing the public institutions.
27:27I think there is a disposition of the
27:29government train, of the executive,
27:31there is a disposition of the House of Representatives,
27:33we submitted this project with more than 60 signatures
27:35from 60 deputies from different benches.
27:37I think we are in a moment
27:39in the perfect time,
27:41in the sense that there have been
27:43situations that touch the sensitivity
27:45of the people to be able to approve this.
27:47Sorry, the case of the child in Jarabacoa, for example.
27:49Correct, which is current.
27:51And the issue is that,
27:53apart from that approval,
27:55there is also the tranquility of knowing
27:57that there is already a work table that has been
27:59a kind of pilot, so it lets us know
28:01that as a result of an approval
28:03it is going to be executed immediately
28:05because pilots have already been made
28:07and that I think gives a very good spin,
28:09that a light is seen at the end of the road
28:11with reference to that.
28:13But how did the idea arise
28:15and how do you two come together?
28:17You must be very friends, I imagine,
28:19you are from the same party,
28:21but how did the idea arise
28:23Well, we have to highlight
28:25that this is an initiative that was initially
28:27introduced by the former deputy
28:29Víctor Gómez Casanova,
28:31years ago,
28:33then in the past period
28:35was reintroduced by Orlando Jorge Villegas
28:37and when we arrived,
28:39we were talking about the issue
28:41of disappearances
28:43around September,
28:45because of our condition as mothers,
28:47I mean, I can't imagine,
28:49I can't imagine what a child's mother
28:51would have felt
28:53at the time of her disappearance.
28:55The other day I was in the park
28:57and I lost sight of my daughter
28:59for 30 seconds
29:01and the anguish that I felt
29:03in those 30 seconds
29:05I can't imagine how
29:07hours and days
29:09to the uncertainty
29:11of where your son is.
29:13So that mother's heart
29:15motivated us to reintroduce this piece
29:17because we also understand
29:19that what is happening
29:21there are a number of disappearances
29:23that are now more media,
29:25because we have social networks
29:27so precisely why not use
29:29the media,
29:31the social networks,
29:33this hyper-connected world
29:35so that the same population
29:37becomes part of that search
29:39because if I send a photograph
29:41of a child with a series of details
29:43look, for example,
29:45they took him to a blue car,
29:47they took him to a gas station,
29:49automatically you emit an alert
29:51that reaches the person's cell phone
29:53that is an alert that interrupts
29:55that you have no way of ignoring it,
29:57immediately the alert itself
29:59is a kind of fence
30:01for anyone who has committed the crime
30:03and it has happened
30:05and it has been shown in other countries
30:07that as a result of the emission of the alert
30:09the captors release the victim
30:11immediately it is emitted
30:13and you already have
30:15a greater probability of being found
30:17and also the protocols
30:19of the AMBER alert in other countries
30:21depending, let's say
30:23that the circumstances have
30:25an efficiency index of between
30:2785% and 95%
30:29Liz,
30:31that accompaniment of the AMBER alert
30:33what does it consist of?
30:35different from what we see today
30:37we see that the authorities are involved
30:39but you already explained the 48 hours
30:41this would start immediately
30:43and what accompaniment
30:45different from what we have now
30:47would bring the AMBER alert?
30:49The first thing is that among the institutions
30:51what has been discussed and stipulated in the project
30:53is that there is an interconnection
30:55of information
30:57the AMBER alert is not that you are going to call
30:59and say someone disappeared
31:01and the AMBER alert will come out
31:03that involves a work between the institutions
31:05of information collection
31:07and from there
31:09the institutions
31:11I refer to the conglomerate of institutions
31:13is who says, well, the time has come
31:15to activate the alert
31:17there is a very important issue for me
31:19which is disinformation
31:21that we are also seeing in the project
31:23social networks that are very good
31:25but at the same time they are also a problem
31:27because of the type of disinformation
31:29sometimes they are misinformed
31:31and sometimes they are fake news
31:33so that is something
31:35that we want to be part of
31:37the regularization of itself
31:39there are many people who may have good intentions
31:41as you said
31:43but at the end of the day what they do is
31:45hinder the search
31:47and all this type of detail
31:49what we wanted to see in the project
31:51the theme for me is fundamental
31:53the accompaniment
31:55I repeat it again
31:57because the moment a person is seen in the situation
31:59of a disappearance of a relative
32:01of a close friend
32:03who accompanies that family?
32:05they need professional support
32:07but in the moment that you do
32:09as a mother I would not even know what to do
32:11and we are trying to protect
32:13that professional support
32:15that would involve the family of the victim
32:19I would like to point out
32:21in the context of your question
32:23it is important that it is understood
32:25the idea is that the complaint must enter
32:27through the police, the prosecution or the 911 system
32:29and in the first minutes
32:31an internal protocol must be activated
32:33where the authorities can discriminate
32:35immediately the type of disappearance
32:37that is
32:39the certainty
32:41it is a disappearance
32:43it is a person who was lost
32:45due to a mental health condition
32:47there is an index of a kidnapping
32:49or a subtraction
32:51it is determining the information
32:53that exists in the first minutes
32:55is what tells you
32:57what is the internal protocol that institutions must follow
32:59and within that information
33:01then decide
33:03if they deserve to issue an alert
33:05to the citizens
33:07or if they have the pertinent information
33:09to issue that alert
33:11to the citizens
33:13eliminating all the internal bureaucracy
33:15and making the processes
33:17the procedures
33:19to be done immediately
33:21because it has been shown that the first hours
33:23are the keys to find
33:25a healthy and safe person
33:27a living person
33:29the more hours pass
33:31the more possibility
33:33that it can be found
33:35or that it can not be found
33:37or that it is already dead
33:39with your permission
33:41we are going to a short commercial break
33:43and we return that we still have many issues
33:45with the deputies
33:47Liz Mieses and Carmen Barceló
33:51well we continue
33:53in Telematitino
33:55sorry, 11
33:57talking to these two distinguished young legislators
33:59with very clear ideas
34:01a great ease of expression
34:03and an explicit commitment
34:05with their legislative work
34:07they are Liz Mieses
34:09of the National District
34:11and Carmen Barceló
34:13of ATOMAYOR
34:15both of the Revolutionary Party
34:17Modern
34:19and we do not want to waste
34:21the presence of you here
34:23with a topic that is also important
34:25and that is being followed a lot
34:27there are moments in which society
34:29expects a good legislative work
34:31and I want to refer to the issue
34:33of the chamber of accounts
34:35that already passed through the lower chamber
34:37you were in the interviews
34:39in the pre-selection
34:41then in the pre-selection
34:43then in the pre-selection
34:45of what was sent to the upper chamber
34:47that experience
34:49how was it?
34:51I would like you to share with us
34:53what you told us off camera
34:55what you told us off camera
34:57in my case
34:59it was a very difficult experience
35:01it was around
35:03almost 200 people
35:05that were interviewed one by one
35:07we did a kilometric work
35:09within the chamber of deputies
35:11among them
35:13the first 50 were chosen
35:15that we saw
35:17in the commission
35:19from there we took out
35:21the first 25
35:23and in the chamber
35:25we took out the first 15
35:27that were sent to the senate
35:29what prevailed within the commission?
35:33the profiles
35:35the high profiles that we saw
35:37the scores
35:39the performance and the curriculum
35:41and also the way of speech
35:43of how they gave their speech
35:45of the profile
35:47because the chamber of accounts
35:49what we have been able to perceive
35:51is that they do not agree
35:53there is no affinity
35:55between the past incumbents
35:57so we wanted to try
35:59in one way or another
36:01between the way of speech
36:03of how to express oneself
36:05plus a profile that is adapted
36:07to the modern times
36:09what is needed
36:11they talked about being only accountants
36:13yes, they need accountants, they need lawyers
36:15but they also need technologists
36:17engineers in systems
36:19there are many tools
36:21for a good development
36:23within the chamber
36:25those three terms were chosen
36:27that were
36:29there were many people
36:31with excellent grades and similar grades
36:33there it gets a little more difficult
36:35correct
36:37there it gets a little more difficult
36:39correct
36:41then there also comes the issue of voting
36:43it caught my attention
36:45to see the position of the opposition
36:47since I participated in all the commissions
36:49and at no time
36:51there was any type of complaint from the opposition
36:53however at the time of the approval of the Ternas
36:55they issued
36:57some complaints that I
36:59as part of the same
37:01and this is theater
37:03but unfortunately that is politics
37:05and hopefully within the Senate
37:07there is no politicking
37:09and that among the 15 people who were elected
37:11we can truly count
37:13with a chamber of accounts
37:15that makes the difference
37:17Are there five or are there substitutes?
37:19because that is one of the doubts
37:21I had understood that they were not with substitutes
37:23he ratifies me
37:25the chamber of accounts does not have a substitute
37:27what is the reality?
37:29in the case of what was known within the chamber of deputies
37:31I do not know if there has been any variation in the Senate
37:33only a Terna of five people will be elected
37:35are five
37:37but it seems that the line is
37:39Dr. Emma Polanco
37:41Mrs. Emma did quite well in the interview
37:43she is definitely a person with an experience
37:45that is noticeable
37:47with the simple fact of you talking to her
37:49she has an excellent curriculum
37:51she did very well
37:53there were other people who did extremely well
37:55I have to tell you
37:57it's not about being a woman
37:59many women with skills
38:01with an excellent profile too
38:03I think that
38:05within the chamber of deputies
38:07a tremendous work was done
38:09the president of the commission Rogelio Genao Lanza
38:11did a tremendous work as president
38:13of hegemony
38:15among the members
38:17although on the day of the session another thing was seen by the opposition
38:19but that is part of this
38:21I think that there is one
38:23that the Senate today has 15 people
38:25with many abilities to choose
38:27a chamber that is truly worth it
38:29the women have to for that
38:31the draws
38:33there are similar notes
38:35completely similar
38:37it may be that there is the issue
38:39but not for the issue that each party
38:41wants to have a representative
38:43or wants to push for one in particular
38:45now that they are two blocks
38:47I can't talk within the Senate
38:49but in the chamber of deputies
38:51I repeat, the commission worked in pure hegemony
38:53there was a cohesion
38:55harmony, there was an excellent cohesion
38:57I don't know within the Senate
38:59one thing is what we see
39:01another thing is what we don't see
39:03I don't know the opposition, in what position we are
39:05here what should be prioritized
39:07that within the 15 that have been selected
39:09choose the best
39:11and it's not just a technical profile
39:13as we said, we have to take into account
39:15the issue of soft skills
39:17because one of the challenges that the previous
39:19chamber of accounts had
39:21which is perhaps why we understand that it did not work
39:23is precisely that they did not agree
39:25that there was a kind of pull
39:27and that there was a lack of management
39:29to achieve internal agreements to even do the work
39:31so that shows
39:33and other things that it is not just
39:35that you are a good technician
39:37you have to have management skills
39:39there has to be an ability to manage
39:41emotional intelligence
39:43and above all there also has to be
39:45a little experience in the management
39:47of the public thing because
39:49for you to audit
39:51a public institution
39:53you have to know how
39:55they work in practice
39:57I think you have to prioritize that
39:59so the previous experience
40:01is important
40:03I am not referring to the previous experience
40:05only in auditing and technical matters
40:07I am referring to the exercise
40:09of the public administration
40:11because it is not the same
40:13the exercise in the private sector than in the public sector
40:15it is not the same
40:17it has other types of incidences
40:19and you have to know them to be able to do
40:21a job, let's say integral
40:23in terms of what is the
40:25auditing of public resources
40:27I'm going to another topic, Carmen Ligia
40:29because you come from a productive family
40:31and
40:33you are going to pay 10%
40:35of your income
40:37you are exporters, how do you
40:39receive that?
40:41Well, you never want to pay more taxes
40:45actually
40:47in the private sector
40:49the issue of having more taxes
40:51always affects profitability
40:53and puts companies
40:55in a situation of having to
40:57reinvent themselves
40:59it has to do with how
41:01the government also helps
41:03in this aspect
41:05because there is already a lot of cost
41:07in what is agricultural production
41:09you know that the level of risk
41:11that agricultural production has
41:13is important
41:15and I give you an example that has nothing to do with aranceles
41:17we have been citrus producers
41:19for most of our lives
41:21since my grandfather
41:23my father
41:25and my brothers now
41:27a few years ago
41:29we had to start replacing
41:31citrus plantations
41:33for coconut, for banana
41:35and for other areas
41:37because there was a citrus disease
41:39worldwide that makes
41:41in climates like ours
41:43citrus production is less profitable
41:45so
41:47there comes a time when you have to move
41:49so agricultural production
41:51is a very economic area
41:53very risky
41:55with different
41:57with particularities
41:59that have to be taken into account
42:01this is risky
42:03that it is not a subject
42:05of credit
42:07for the bank
42:09they have a different classification
42:11in the loans of the agricultural sector
42:13and really
42:15if you have to take into account
42:17and that is something that is already a state policy
42:19the issue of sovereignty and food security
42:21we have to have policies
42:23that can continue
42:25contributing to our
42:27production climate
42:29be given the conditions
42:31so that we can
42:33continue to grow in terms of
42:35agricultural production
42:37we have a few minutes left
42:39but I would like to take this opportunity
42:41without asking both of you
42:43they say that politics is dirty
42:45that no one seriously wants to get into politics
42:47why politics?
42:49you who are prepared, young, smart, beautiful
42:51what has been the experience
42:53in the chamber of deputies
42:55that is so particular
42:57and that there are so many different people
42:59in addition to wearing heels
43:01as Liz said
43:03get used to that
43:05Liz comes from the regidurías
43:07being on the street
43:09now being with heels
43:11what has been the experience Liz?
43:13Look, in my case it has been
43:15gratifying in many aspects
43:17it has been a very radical change
43:19to the sessions, right?
43:21No, not to the sessions
43:23obviously the sessions are two or three times
43:25I had never in my life
43:27done so much office work
43:29as I am doing from
43:31August 16, 2024
43:33there is an incredibly
43:35big job within the chamber of deputies
43:37I am now
43:39I invite you
43:41to accompany us for a week
43:43there in the chamber
43:45within each of the commissions
43:47in my case, for example, on Mondays
43:49I have more than six commissions
43:51But those are not all the deputies
43:53that do that job, some don't even go
43:55Look, a regulation was approved
43:57the president submitted
43:59they made a regulation that
44:01came into force from August 16
44:03that there are amnesties when you don't go
44:05when you don't go to the commission or the session
44:07it is important that the citizens
44:09enter the portal of the chamber of deputies
44:11that they see, because everything comes out
44:13if you missed, you arrived late, everything is published
44:15so it is important that people see it
44:17but it has been a gratifying change
44:19because I went from being 37
44:21within the board of directors
44:23that in my case I had the opportunity to be president
44:25to be 190
44:27190 different personalities
44:29different preparation
44:31correct
44:33and that daily sharing
44:35brings you many experiences
44:37and the truth is that little by little
44:39the first months were adaptation
44:41to know the internal processes
44:43that one has and the reality that one lives
44:45and I think that one has adapted
44:47quite well
44:49And you Carmen?
44:51Look, yes, a lot of work
44:53one thing is what one thinks before
44:55arriving at the chamber and another thing is the reality
44:57with which one is exposed
44:59I thought it wasn't like that
45:01No, no, maybe I didn't imagine it was like that
45:03but the truth is that it is a lot of work
45:05the one who does it responsibly
45:07as you say
45:09I think that in terms of the issue
45:11of people who don't want to get involved
45:13I think it has to do more with the fact that
45:15immediately you assume a public function
45:17there are attacks
45:19tied to the function
45:21no matter who you are
45:23no matter your previous exercise
45:25and many times no matter what you are doing at the moment
45:27but there is a preconception
45:29that everyone who is in politics
45:31or everyone who is in the chamber of deputies
45:33or everyone who is a senator
45:35has some degree of corruption
45:37and that is not the case
45:39there is also misinformation
45:41of what is the real role of legislators
45:43and what does it require
45:45to have a legislator to be in there
45:47from the number of hours one has to
45:49dedicate to study
45:51to study, nothing more
45:53from the number of hours one has to dedicate
45:55to discuss in the commissions
45:57to get legislative pieces that really
45:59can have some degree of consensus
46:01or even sense
46:03and the issue of the sessions
46:05that is what you see
46:07the process of voting
46:09in the sessions
46:11is not conscious
46:13of all the previous work that has to be done in the commission
46:15and the work of agreeing
46:17also because we are talking about
46:19political forces that
46:21let's say they represent
46:23the entire Dominican society
46:25the national congress, the chamber of deputies
46:27is a reflection of all the social groups
46:29that there are in the Dominican Republic
46:31and that process of agreeing
46:33takes its time
46:35and it is something
46:37and I imagine that all this is aggravated
46:39when you are a wife and a mother
46:41that you have to dedicate time
46:43there is no business
46:45the politician has no schedule
46:47yesterday we talked
46:49that there are people
46:51that at 4 and a half in the morning
46:53they are writing to you, but they also write to you at 12 at night
46:55I think that
46:57the biggest challenge for women
46:59that we are mothers, that we are married
47:01is the issue of time
47:03it is a time that you give to your family
47:05that you give to your children
47:07but with the aim of having a community with greater well-being
47:09How well we have felt
47:11because one
47:13sees the political future
47:15one says, but how many
47:17people with presidential possibilities
47:19and of all kinds
47:21and what good young people
47:23empowered, capable
47:25and willing to give everything for everything
47:27and that the female leadership is growing
47:29yes, it is still missing
47:31yes, it is still missing
47:33but we have to congratulate
47:35not only from the political point of view
47:37we have to congratulate Francesca Ranieri
47:39who took over this week the presidency of the American Chamber
47:41of Commerce
47:43first woman in 101 years of history
47:45so also in the business
47:47that female leadership is growing
47:49so there is an important social movement
47:51in that sense
47:53How good, thank you very much Liz and Carmen
47:55and we hope to have you again
47:57independently
47:59or together in other projects
48:01and that this project has approval
48:03because it really is necessary
48:05and we ask you
48:07to continue talking about this project
48:09of Alerta Amber and raising awareness
48:11so that you also help us push
48:13from here, correct
48:15and thank you for sending it to us
48:17previously
48:19We say goodbye here
48:21because there is an interview
48:23that was recorded yesterday for reasons of time
48:25with Mr. Luis Eduardo Flores
48:27a Venezuelan
48:29he deals with the issue of regularization
48:31of Venezuelans in the Dominican Republic
48:33We say goodbye here
48:35with a golden brooch
48:37with these brilliant and beautiful ladies
48:39and see you tomorrow God willing