Breakdown of Drake’s Jabs At Kendrick In “Nokia” Video, Ye’s Interview & More

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In today's episode of Billboard Unfiltered, Billboard staffers Carl Lamarre, Trevor Anderson, and Kyle Denis are joined by Peter Rosenberg dive into Drake’s “Nokia” music video where he references Kendrick Lamar’s “Not Like Us” music video, Ye’s interview with DJ Akademiks where he makes statements surrounding Kim Kardashian, Playboi Carti, Beyonce & Jay-Z and others, and the current state of Summer Jam.

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00:00:00I'm curious to get y'all thoughts as far as like, what were your thoughts on the video?

00:00:04Did Drake deliver, underperform? We'll start with Mr. Rosenberg on his thoughts.

00:00:09Um, listen, I appreciate you guys very much, so I'm not gonna hold back here. I only watched

00:00:16highlights of the video. And that's not disrespect. Music videos in me these days,

00:00:21like I probably watched Not Like Us one time when it came out and was like, cool,

00:00:25kept it moving, right? I just don't live currently in the space where like, breaking down music

00:00:31videos is part of my thing. But I saw like the little connections people were drawing,

00:00:35and it felt like a reach. Like, I'm not saying that it wasn't little stuff, but it wasn't enough

00:00:42to like, honestly, warrant major conversation to me. But again, I'm not like, captain break it down

00:00:52to that degree. I'm like, is it on the surface? Then it's to me, it's something worth talking

00:00:56about. Like the 50 other, when people broke down the Super Bowl, like by day two, I was like,

00:01:00all right, no, no, I get it. I don't need like 50 different versions. If it takes that long to

00:01:06figure out what we're talking about, while it's neat for like the hardcore nerds, I'm too busy.

00:01:12I'm sorry. I got no time. But yeah, no, it was cool. If I'm Drake, I'm just happy I have that

00:01:17big a hit. Like what's what's happened, that's more interesting to me than whether or not he took

00:01:22subtleties at Kendrick in the video. To me, it's that he is now crept up and put together a couple

00:01:28of very Drake-like hits, like he should have done probably from the very beginning. If I'm Drake,

00:01:35I'm probably staying away from any of the Kendrick stuff, though it doesn't seem like he can fully

00:01:39resist it. And focusing on this, like, yeah, no matter what people say about that man,

00:01:45the hits come, like they're going to come. So like, to me, that's the bigger story here. Drake

00:01:50is fully back in the hot 100. Is anything right now? Does Kendrick have anything hotter than seven

00:01:56right now? Is it just got number one? Yeah, six weeks in a row. Yeah, potentially hitting seven.

00:02:02That's crazy. Yeah. Not like us is still in the top 10. By the way, if you're still listening

00:02:08to not like us, you are a diabolical fucking lunatic. I had the idea right now of someone

00:02:14right now. Hold on. What? I mean, a blue double. He's wearing a repulsive sweatshirt. I'm wearing

00:02:27championship winning team. No, you're not. By the way, you are right about that. And that's

00:02:32why I will not watch one second this week. I'm going to watch it like I watch the Drake video.

00:02:36Not at all. But no, you have great taste. I realize I said that. I'm like, how am I sitting

00:02:41in between a great sweatshirt? And you see the vision? Yeah, I see. Wait, hold on. It's it's good

00:02:51and evil. I do think you guys are very good. But but now I can't respect your taste in anything

00:02:58else. No, but not like us to listen at this point is diabolical. Like that song. It hits such a peak

00:03:06of of just insanity. I don't I don't I'm trying to think of the last record before that that hit

00:03:13that level of sort of ubiquity within hip hop, just record or just record a record in hip hop

00:03:21because I don't even know that the average Drake hit as big as they are gets to like that. Like

00:03:25you go every it's everywhere you go. You just could not. But yeah, it's like the only song in

00:03:31the world. He's cheating. I'm thinking I'm like, but to that point, you know why it has, you know,

00:03:37earned this massive acclaim and ubiquity because of the guy we're talking about because of Drake.

00:03:42Are you really on? That's just the reality though. You can't just discount that the song itself is

00:03:48also a great track because Luther is doing his thing on the chart six weeks at number one. So

00:03:52he had he has proven before and now that you know, he can make hits beyond Drake. And I think that

00:03:57was super important. But yeah, y'all are some diabolical fucks if y'all still playing not like

00:04:02us. That's kind of like you get in the car and you're just like, man, man, man, man, man. It's

00:04:06about like, it's not it's not like the Grams. We are like, it's not 60 in L.A. Like it's just about

00:04:11like nowadays is not the plus. I got the second win with the Super Bowl. I think that's, you know,

00:04:14even the months ago, the song started. I mean, that's true. But I think a lot of people like,

00:04:19you know, we're almost at my parents and stuff. I think the scary thing is knowing that Kendrick is

00:04:24possibly going to bring the song back on tour. And it's going to possibly I'd be shocked. I mean,

00:04:30I would leave it off the tour, right? No, I mean, it has to be the main part of it.

00:04:35Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's one of those things where, you know, everybody who likes that song

00:04:40is waiting for their moment to be live, you know, like doing it in the stadium. I mean,

00:04:44it's kind of like like the mute challenge or some shit. It's like it's cool to see. But

00:04:48like I get a chance to be in the room, whatever, you know, 70,000 other people doing it like

00:04:52everybody wants that. So we're really going to go waiting for 18 months of this record.

00:04:57Yeah. And a thing that is we might. I think it's going to be very much. It's one of the biggest.

00:05:02It's become one of the biggest rap records of all time. And that to me is where it got

00:05:08fascinating because like at a certain point, you know, Kendrick has to be somewhat mindful

00:05:16of how much the record defines him because it's so not a definitive record for him.

00:05:21But for a lot of people, it is. Yeah. Like that is his definitive record for

00:05:26maybe more people that know him now than anybody else. And is that a good thing?

00:05:30Is that and that's an interesting at the very least. It's interesting because at the heart of

00:05:35that, who's at the heart of that? I mean, it's interesting. I think it's a bad thing, though.

00:05:38It may not be. Well, who's at the heart of that? By the way, him, the angle here,

00:05:41the angle you're on his pen, it's true that you're running Drake like as if that makes it a good

00:05:46thing. Just because Drake's at the center of it, that's not some sort of dub for Drake either.

00:05:52I also think he's in that mindset that, you know, I gave you your biggest hit. That's it.

00:05:57But it's like not like us gets this big and this massive because it ends up transcending the beef

00:06:02after a certain couple of months, like because everyone bought into being not, you know,

00:06:06the us that he's talking about. So like I feel like even now, at this point,

00:06:10Post Bowl, especially Drake, isn't really on people's minds as much when they hear

00:06:15the hook, at least, maybe specific lines in the verses that are actually talking about him. But

00:06:20the hook itself, I hear that in so many different contexts now that it's like

00:06:24no song gets that big if it's always just tied to the first thing that it was like.

00:06:28Right. You think, for example, a high school basketball team is saying they're not like us.

00:06:31They're just talking about the team they're playing against. It kind of doesn't have any

00:06:35special significance, just that it's fun to say in sort of a competitive way.

00:06:39It's cemented itself in the lexicon of our vocabulary as a culture now.

00:06:42Yeah. You know what? I probably will. It's probably just happening right now.

00:06:47But like now they're not like us is probably going to be a thing that people are saying in 10 years

00:06:52is that I agree with. But I think until then, it's going to be just

00:06:55a fucking flamethrower. I, Drake, like when I hear the song, I think a certified

00:07:00lover boy, certified pedophile like I still think of it. It is.

00:07:03Well, I might say more about you.

00:07:08When you hear the record or like the first bars that come off,

00:07:11I'm sure it's like against Drake.

00:07:14Well, it's a diss record. So like that makes sense.

00:07:17Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:07:18The punchiest record of all time.

00:07:19What I'm thinking about, like, oh, they're not like us.

00:07:20What I'm saying is like even the wop, wop, wop, wop, wop,

00:07:23like stuff like that is like clearly about Drake in context.

00:07:26But people have really removed context when they like say that part now.

00:07:30Like when you're in the club and you hear people jumping for their favorite parts,

00:07:33like it's not really always people rapping like the lines of the song.

00:07:36It really is that hook because the hook is super universal.

00:07:40That's why that song is so big, like because that hook and that beat,

00:07:43like those violins in the back.

00:07:44I was going to say the instrumental people.

00:07:46That too.

00:07:46Yeah, the instrumental, absolutely. Shout out to Mustard, by the way.

00:07:49Yeah, which by the way, that's kind of another part that gets under

00:07:52appreciated is how the level like we don't actually properly and I don't mean this to

00:07:59sound like a subtle diss. I think this is just reality. While Mustard was sitting on

00:08:04piles of money because of how well he's done, let's not act as if prior to the song,

00:08:08everyone was having Mustard conversations nationally.

00:08:10Oh, yeah.

00:08:10He was cold.

00:08:11Like nationally. Now, I'm not saying in LA he wasn't always DJ Mustard.

00:08:14Right, right.

00:08:15But what I'm saying is like his records were not like, unless it was a throwback set and

00:08:19you were hearing like, you know, Tinashe 2 on or like which are now true throwback records.

00:08:25Right, yeah.

00:08:26That comeback to producer of the year, to on stage at the Grammys, to at the Super Bowl.

00:08:33That may be one of the greatest music comebacks of all time.

00:08:37And it's not really being talked about. Everyone kind of is. It was such a big

00:08:41comeback that people forgot how quiet it had been for him nationally prior to that.

00:08:46And again, that's not a diss. People have ebbs and flows as producers.

00:08:49You're right.

00:08:49Um, everyone has.

00:08:50Yeah, boy.

00:08:51Everyone's had them.

00:08:52Yeah.

00:08:52So but but like for the last few years, it really had not been a ton of Mustard conversation.

00:08:57He's that guy.

00:08:58Yeah, it was like Metro.

00:08:58And he's got the follow up with JBL.

00:09:00Some of those cats are taking, yeah.

00:09:01And he's going to be opening up the tour for Kendrick and SZA now.

00:09:05So.

00:09:06Oh, I just doing like a set.

00:09:07Yeah.

00:09:08Yeah.

00:09:08Ahead of their performance.

00:09:09Yo, he.

00:09:10Probably something like, you know, like the pop out kind of thing, I would think.

00:09:12I mean, obviously, you know, without the special guest, but in that kind of.

00:09:15I mean, he could do a lot.

00:09:16He could do special guests.

00:09:17Certain people like Khaled.

00:09:19When they do in L.A., I'm sure people will like.

00:09:21Well, when Khaled opened for Beyonce and Jay.

00:09:22Oh, yeah, yeah, he brought out everybody.

00:09:25Listen, I will.

00:09:26You could have another conversation about in the all time lexicon of hip hop hits

00:09:34has a record ever done more for a producer's legacy than not like us will have done for

00:09:40DJ Mustard.

00:09:41I mean, that is a he had a fucking partnership behind now, like he didn't even have that

00:09:47before, which is crazy.

00:09:47And he was that was and he's always really.

00:09:50Yeah.

00:09:51Like that.

00:09:52I mean, the fact that, yeah, you got you got a new producer tag out of that because

00:09:56he already you know, he already had one.

00:09:57But now to come with this one and everybody for a minute, there was really doing instantly

00:10:01caught on.

00:10:01And, you know, it's like a TV off didn't even get the full like it got a big push,

00:10:04but there was no video.

00:10:06There was no like, you know, it didn't even go necessarily as hard as it could have.

00:10:10But clearly for mustard to get.

00:10:11And what an interesting thing for Kendrick to even do on that record.

00:10:14Like, yeah, like logic.

00:10:17Like, I wonder what he was thinking in terms of knowing specifically how much he'd be

00:10:22cement.

00:10:22It's just an interesting that whole piece of mustard with that record, I think, is an

00:10:26underrated piece of the story.

00:10:28And I think the genius of mustard is like flipping the same beat.

00:10:32Right.

00:10:33That he ended up making not like us and TV off.

00:10:36So flipping one beat to make these two iconic pieces.

00:10:40Fucking nuts.

00:10:41Yeah.

00:10:41So shout out to DJ Mustard.

00:10:43And, you know, I'm going to say to shout out to Drake, man.

00:10:46Like the video was.

00:10:50The record to Peter's point, man, he is having a great year.

00:10:55You know, you have the number one album, Kyle.

00:10:57I ain't say shit.

00:10:59He has a number one album is still top five on the two hundred.

00:11:02No key is a bona fide hit.

00:11:05No features on that.

00:11:06So he's having a low key run right now.

00:11:11MVP low key.

00:11:12He's in the race.

00:11:13You mean you mean this early in the year?

00:11:15Yeah, he's in the race.

00:11:19He's in.

00:11:20That's all I'm saying.

00:11:21Who else is in the race?

00:11:22Playboy Cardi, who's in the lead?

00:11:23Kendrick, obviously, because he's still dominating the conversation.

00:11:26But Kendrick, I mean, Drake is like top five in that conversation.

00:11:31It's fair.

00:11:31I mean, it's the biggest.

00:11:32Is there a bigger the Cardi album's bigger?

00:11:34The Cardi album?

00:11:35Yeah, it's bigger.

00:11:36But bigger to who?

00:11:37You know what I'm saying?

00:11:38Like bigger to the people who count the score.

00:11:41Yeah.

00:11:42But like in my life, for example, like I didn't turn on.

00:11:46I didn't have an interest in the Drake party album because it's not for me.

00:11:49That kind of Drake's never been for me.

00:11:50Yeah.

00:11:51And yet those songs are getting to my life because they're that big.

00:11:54Yeah.

00:11:55Respectfully, that Playboy Cardi album,

00:11:58with the exception of the fact that I went on that Saturday to go,

00:12:01let me hear what everyone's talking about.

00:12:03Flip, flip, flip, flip, flip.

00:12:04Without that, those are never making it to me.

00:12:08I'm just letting you know as a 45 year old.

00:12:09I'm right there with you, man.

00:12:10Who lives life.

00:12:11Those Cardi songs ain't making it to my world.

00:12:13That's for all.

00:12:14That's for our brother right here.

00:12:15That is a 24 year old.

00:12:16The neighborhood one isn't hearing this Cardi, but that's all I'm saying.

00:12:19You already lost me earlier with the sweatshirt.

00:12:22And then the follow up, and then you lost me the second time.

00:12:25When he said, when they play it in the club, I was like, what's a club?

00:12:30I was like, you've heard not like us in a club.

00:12:32I don't even, I honestly didn't know clubs were still going.

00:12:36Yeah.

00:12:36You know, I'm sorry, bro.

00:12:37You gotta be outside.

00:12:38I know, I'm not.

00:12:39We'll go outside.

00:12:40But so yeah, so like, do they play, are they playing Playboy Cardi out?

00:12:44No, I will say that.

00:12:45I don't hear Cardi out.

00:12:46It's among other people, you know.

00:12:47Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:49But you know what they're playing outside?

00:12:50They're playing that Nokia.

00:12:51They are.

00:12:52They are playing Nokia.

00:12:52That's not a, yeah.

00:12:53That is a fact.

00:12:54That was a very interesting.

00:12:55Again, not for me, but I respect the, it's still Drake crossover.

00:12:59Drake gets what he does.

00:13:01Yeah, I mean.

00:13:02Come on and get his flowers, man.

00:13:03I'm like, nobody's.

00:13:04Yo, throw your sixes up.

00:13:05Yo, nobody's.

00:13:06Sixes.

00:13:06Nobody's trying to take them away.

00:13:08I just.

00:13:08I could give him a carnation.

00:13:10I don't know about that.

00:13:10Okay, I'll take that.

00:13:11I'll take that.

00:13:12Moving on.

00:13:14Damn, we ain't even.

00:13:16The poor video, we ain't, we got.

00:13:17I mean, to be honest, there was nothing.

00:13:18Well, your guest didn't watch it.

00:13:20So it's my fault.

00:13:22And I'm a, I'm a Drake stan.

00:13:23There was nothing noteworthy about the video.

00:13:25Shout out to the dancers though.

00:13:26Shout out to the dancers.

00:13:27Choreography is great.

00:13:28Shout out to Shea Gildress.

00:13:30Obviously a well-shot video.

00:13:31Shout out to 9MAX, you know.

00:13:32I almost wonder though, to the point that somebody mentioned earlier, like, is this,

00:13:36is this a red herring video or something?

00:13:38Because it's so on the nose with, you know, the dancing imitation or what.

00:13:42The towel.

00:13:43The question is, is this over or is it not?

00:13:45And that's, that's.

00:13:45It'll never be over.

00:13:46That's, I guess I'm like the last person to figure that out because he like,

00:13:49as far back as heart part six, it was like, all right, I'm done.

00:13:52And then there's always been a little like, but I'm not, but we're not like, it just feels.

00:13:56Drake's a sore loser.

00:13:58Kendrick's a sore winner.

00:13:59So it's, it's a sore winner.

00:14:01I feel like if he was a sore winner, we would see him a lot more this year than twice.

00:14:06He's going to continue to throw barbs.

00:14:08They're both are.

00:14:09Until the end of time.

00:14:10I just feel like sore winner might be doing a lot though.

00:14:12We've seen the nigga twice this calendar year so far.

00:14:15I feel like if he was really a sore winner, he'd be outside all the time.

00:14:19Always talking about it.

00:14:20Like you got like a little bit of an ad lib flip on like.

00:14:23Frickin what's that song on good credit, like, and some lines on that one.

00:14:28But like, he hasn't really been hammering.

00:14:30Oh, he will on the tour.

00:14:32Well, yeah.

00:14:32When he performs not like us.

00:14:33It's a tour.

00:14:34And you can't tell me he's not for the rest of his career.

00:14:36Not going to throw barbs at Drake.

00:14:38I mean, he's been doing it from the jump.

00:14:40And he's going to keep doing it as a sore winner.

00:14:42He could have just left it alone.

00:14:44That's an interesting line where that is sore winner.

00:14:47It's it's, it's not sore winner.

00:14:48It's it's it's petty, respectful in a good way, in a good way or a bad way, depending

00:14:53on you view it.

00:14:54It's it's vindictive for sure.

00:14:56He's a sick fuck.

00:14:57I mean, listen, but but listen, this is I didn't know even though I didn't even know

00:15:01that I had this in common with Kendrick.

00:15:03So like, I respect this so much.

00:15:05I literally the people who I have issues with never die.

00:15:09I was a turtle.

00:15:09You type brother.

00:15:10He's pissing on the turtle implies.

00:15:12I'm that's one.

00:15:13So throwing throwing matches.

00:15:15By the way, 50 is the only person where I will say one step too far.

00:15:20Yeah, once a timely death happens.

00:15:23I truly believe for the purposes of avoiding hell.

00:15:27If you believe in anything whatsoever, my mouth is now shut.

00:15:30There's nothing left to say.

00:15:32I've had people I don't like who have died at that point.

00:15:34I quietly go nothing left to say, but up until that moment, I will be the person who like

00:15:42when something comes up and I'm like, are people not pointing this out?

00:15:46We should point this out.

00:15:47You know what I mean?

00:15:48I do.

00:15:49I respect that level of pettiness.

00:15:51If you really feel that the person you took issue with a person, there has been no attempt

00:15:58for things to ever get better.

00:16:00Maybe you even have made in my case.

00:16:02I don't want to give too much away.

00:16:03Very often.

00:16:03I make an attempt to make things better.

00:16:06You have denied that attempt.

00:16:08Now we're till the end of time.

00:16:10Beyonce, baby.

00:16:11Now we're till the end of time.

00:16:13Whenever anything happens, I'm like, yo, no one noticed X, Y, and Z.

00:16:18That's interesting.

00:16:20I do respect that because we can't forget this.

00:16:24I feel bad for Drake at times, but he's the one who always wants to go into some mentioning

00:16:28people's family.

00:16:29And when people mention people's families, now there's a chance it's not going to end

00:16:36until you are gone.

00:16:38You know what I'm saying?

00:16:38Especially like I've only been a dad for a couple months.

00:16:40I can't even fathom the level to which I would keep going if someone I felt like disrespected

00:16:47my child in any way.

00:16:48So, you know, we can get into how much Kendrick had to feel disrespected, but listen, every

00:16:52dad's different.

00:16:53Everyone's going to take it different.

00:16:55But Drake always on.

00:16:56So let me mention the wife.

00:16:57Let me mention the kids.

00:16:59I keep saying it like he's got to stop doing that and then hiding his hand.

00:17:03You can battle without doing that.

00:17:05You don't have to do it every time.

00:17:06It's bitch made and it's pussy.

00:17:08He's got to stop it.

00:17:09I agree that it's bitch made and it's pussy.

00:17:11I heard it.

00:17:12I just never heard a man with a duke sweatshirt talk like this.

00:17:16I'm from Brooklyn.

00:17:16Come on.

00:17:18Don't let the shit fool you.

00:17:20Can you go to do?

00:17:20Yeah.

00:17:21Okay.

00:17:22Oh, you thought he was just fake.

00:17:25Obviously, my first thought when you see a black guy wearing a duke sweatshirt is not

00:17:29they went there because it's 98 percent white.

00:17:32Their diversity thing is let's we won't go there.

00:17:34Kyle's blue blooded, man.

00:17:35But come on, be the exception.

00:17:37I will say this.

00:17:37As I've listened to him communicate, I'm like, this guy's kind of sharp.

00:17:41I'm not going to do it.

00:17:42But at the same time, I'm like back to the black guy thing.

00:17:44Why would he want to do that?

00:17:46Who with any swag would want to do that to themselves?

00:17:50And so now here we are on the wind.

00:17:52I'll say, Kyle, let's break down your flag, by the way.

00:17:57Does Cooper flag have swag?

00:17:58I guess we're going to find we're going to find out.

00:18:00You don't know.

00:18:01He's pretty filthy in buckets.

00:18:02That's all we know.

00:18:02No one else's question.

00:18:03I'm going to go with this unfiltered, right?

00:18:04Yeah, it's unfiltered.

00:18:05Do we know this is the most important issue that has not yet been discussed?

00:18:09OK, I'm telling you, come on, come on.

00:18:12No, this is so important.

00:18:14Do we know Cooper flag and his family's politics yet?

00:18:18Oh, wow.

00:18:19Because you guys know.

00:18:20What are you thinking?

00:18:21That if that comes out, that it's something that one might expect from.

00:18:28The white guy who goes to Duke, we just say, and that's a broad brush.

00:18:33Obviously, there are a lot of progressive people at Duke.

00:18:35I'm busting shit.

00:18:36I'm joking around.

00:18:38And I know they do make a lot of efforts with diversity.

00:18:40I just make fun of how white their whiteness is.

00:18:42That's mostly basketball.

00:18:43But if it turned out he was like a right winger, right?

00:18:49The level of racial divide that is going to cause when he becomes a like if he if he

00:18:54you guys, he's the best American white boy since Larry Bird.

00:18:58Like that to me is a fat American.

00:18:59Yeah, he is the best American white boy since Larry fucking Joe Bird.

00:19:06Shout out to Christian Lane at Duke as well.

00:19:07Oh, if you don't get the I mean, he was on the dream team.

00:19:10A little shot, a little shot, a little shot.

00:19:12No, he deserves a like.

00:19:13Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:18There are other guys who could certainly ball.

00:19:19Right, right, absolutely.

00:19:20Tyler here is a baller.

00:19:21He's a dog.

00:19:22The white chocolate was a baller.

00:19:23Jason Williams was a dog.

00:19:24You know, there are guys who are really good players for sure.

00:19:27But in terms of like what he's capable of.

00:19:29Oh, absolutely.

00:19:30This is like could be all the famer material.

00:19:32And remember, like the Caitlin Clark thing is fascinating because we saw where that was

00:19:35going.

00:19:36But now she made that course, correct?

00:19:37Complicated because she's a progressive.

00:19:40So now they're like, we don't know.

00:19:43I think you probably will never hear him talk about anything that is related to it.

00:19:46Like he'll just like tell the line and just not actually give you either way.

00:19:49Just make it.

00:19:50He loves everybody.

00:19:51Like, right.

00:19:51Has to be right.

00:19:52But, you know, he played a right.

00:19:53You know, played a right shot at the page.

00:19:55Page buckets.

00:19:55Yeah, because when she did that SB speech, she's like, oh, yeah, well, she went, you

00:20:01know what, though?

00:20:02Morally, she did the right thing.

00:20:05Okay.

00:20:06Right.

00:20:06For people like us.

00:20:07Right.

00:20:07We went, I like pagebackers.

00:20:09Yeah.

00:20:10But in terms of grabbing the most bags possible, Caitlin did it better.

00:20:15Oh, yeah.

00:20:15Which was weighted.

00:20:17No one really knew.

00:20:18In fact, had a full on feud with the best black player.

00:20:22So the white people were the races were going.

00:20:24I think we like her.

00:20:27She was like, she got them all excited.

00:20:29Then she gets to the WNBA.

00:20:30It was like, we need to have a conversation about the women who have paved the way.

00:20:35So she maximized it first.

00:20:38Then she hit them with the page.

00:20:40She's pages like me.

00:20:42She too early was like, I'm a snowflake.

00:20:44I'm not on your side.

00:20:45You don't want me.

00:20:46Trust me.

00:20:47Which I respect.

00:20:48I respect.

00:20:49I respect the hell out of it.

00:20:50But Caitlin, she was able to, like, hang on a little bit longer.

00:20:53Wait till that ink was dry.

00:20:54You know, before they found out Coopers was like, for sure.

00:20:59But that is the thing about basketball.

00:21:01Like football and baseball.

00:21:03And again, we're on filter.

00:21:04We're going everywhere.

00:21:05Football and baseball guys.

00:21:07You know, I say this from being on the sports side, too.

00:21:10A lot of the white athletes in those sports do lean right politically.

00:21:15That's what I've heard from everybody.

00:21:16From everybody who's in those locker rooms.

00:21:19Basketball, of course, is a bit different, right?

00:21:21Not to say that that doesn't exist at all.

00:21:24But to be a white American player or white European player, whatever.

00:21:27And want to exist in basketball.

00:21:29Very often means you also want to have some appreciation of Black culture.

00:21:33Because Black culture is such a sort of core part of what American basketball is.

00:21:38So, like, to be there and also be, like, a virulent racist underneath.

00:21:44It would be challenging.

00:21:46It would be a hard double life to live.

00:21:47But I'm sure it happens.

00:21:48Oh, yeah.

00:21:48It's like a Wayans Brothers parody movie or something.

00:21:51Like, you navigate through the NBA, you know, as, like, secret racist.

00:21:54I'd be kind of hurt.

00:21:56Like, Tyler Herro was, like, a Republican.

00:21:57Like, that would kind of, like...

00:21:58If he was a full-blown, like...

00:22:00You could ask Jack Harlow.

00:22:02You know what I'm saying?

00:22:02Yeah, he can't be, but they're friends, right?

00:22:04Yeah, yeah.

00:22:05But Tyler got that.

00:22:06He got a little sauce in him, you know?

00:22:07Yeah, I don't think Tyler's a Republican.

00:22:08What's his face?

00:22:09That other guy.

00:22:09He could just be having sauce and still be...

00:22:11Oh, the Nazi guy?

00:22:13Hami Hakas?

00:22:14Well, no.

00:22:15The guy who was doing the Nazi talk in the video game chat.

00:22:18But he's off the team now.

00:22:20Well, great.

00:22:21He's off the team.

00:22:22I don't know if I can think of anyone who I would...

00:22:25I would think in the league was actually, like, a racist.

00:22:28That's kind of hard to picture, actually.

00:22:31Now, back in the day, we could find someone.

00:22:33But at a different time.

00:22:34You know who is, like, inexplicably...

00:22:37Go ahead, speak it up.

00:22:38Unquestionably...

00:22:39Go ahead.

00:22:40I was going to say Mr. Yang.

00:22:41Don't point it!

00:22:42Mr. Yang!

00:22:42I said Mr. Yang!

00:22:43Why was he...

00:22:44I said Mr. Yang!

00:22:44No, no, no.

00:22:45Why did he lean over to you?

00:22:45Why was he touching me, like...

00:22:47Nah, nah, because you know what it is.

00:22:48No, no, this is what you did.

00:22:49You were like,

00:22:50Well, you know who's really a racist out here?

00:22:52No, that was...

00:22:52You know what I'm saying?

00:22:54It hurts my heart.

00:22:56It hurts my heart.

00:22:56For the record, that's not me!

00:22:58It hurts my heart.

00:22:59I'm just glad he went that way.

00:23:01Because he was like,

00:23:02It hurts my heart.

00:23:03I was crazy.

00:23:04Nah, nah, nah, it hurt my heart.

00:23:06That's why I'm like,

00:23:07Shit, we really got to talk about Ye,

00:23:09because I really think he's gone,

00:23:11in the sense of...

00:23:11He just did an interview with Academics,

00:23:14where he was dawning...

00:23:14He should have stopped right there,

00:23:16and he would have been gone.

00:23:17Yeah!

00:23:18He was dawning first when, you know,

00:23:20AK walked in, was rocking a Sean John shirt,

00:23:22and then changed the tires,

00:23:24and put on a black, all black, KKK outfit,

00:23:27to do an hour interview.

00:23:29Didn't he also have that swastika necklace?

00:23:31Yeah, he had the necklace, too.

00:23:33I'd already seen the swastika necklace, though.

00:23:34He'd already been rocking that.

00:23:35Yeah, he'd been rocking that.

00:23:36And they did an hour-long interview,

00:23:38where Ye touched on everything.

00:23:41Torched, Jay-Z, Kendrick Lamar, John Legend.

00:23:45He said he smelled like mashed potatoes.

00:23:48Kim Kardashian.

00:23:50Yeah, mashed potatoes is a crazy...

00:23:52Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:53By the way, I love mashed potatoes.

00:23:54I was gonna say, is that in, like, butter?

00:23:56And, like, chives?

00:23:58Like, sweet, delicious, American style.

00:24:01What are you talking about?

00:24:02I mean, don't get me wrong.

00:24:03I would be like,

00:24:05like, okay, that's weird.

00:24:08It's not bad.

00:24:08But it's not bad.

00:24:09But it's like, um...

00:24:11Are you gonna feel hungry?

00:24:12Are you gonna feel hungry?

00:24:13Like, are you got something on the stove?

00:24:15Like, what is it?

00:24:16Are you just coming from KFC?

00:24:19I wouldn't say, but I would think, you know?

00:24:20I'd be like, we're really sorry.

00:24:22If somebody smelled like wedges,

00:24:23I wouldn't be mad at that.

00:24:24Wedges, too.

00:24:26What is he talking about?

00:24:27KFC wedges, though.

00:24:28I'm just saying.

00:24:30If you walk into somebody's house,

00:24:31they smell like KFC fried oil wedges,

00:24:34you're not gonna be like...

00:24:35I'm gonna turn my head.

00:24:35I'd be like, where'd you get that from?

00:24:38Where'd I get what from?

00:24:39You just came from KFC?

00:24:40Like, that's all I'm saying.

00:24:41Yo, that's crazy.

00:24:42No, I have an affinity for KFC wedges.

00:24:44It's been a while.

00:24:45So does everybody.

00:24:46Okay.

00:24:47Anyway.

00:24:48But either way.

00:24:49Back to Clem.

00:24:50That was the softest,

00:24:51that was by far the softest insult

00:24:52I've had with anybody that day.

00:24:54Yeah, you know, when you think about it,

00:24:55honestly, I get the mashed potatoes.

00:24:57I'm gonna take it, right?

00:24:59Relative to Jay-Z,

00:25:00and telling the mother of your children

00:25:02you didn't want to have any kids with her.

00:25:04Two months after they did.

00:25:06I take the mashed potatoes insult,

00:25:08but this thing, guys, has gotten to like...

00:25:14I would say...

00:25:15I would say it's sad if I still had that empathy there,

00:25:20but obviously at a certain point,

00:25:22at a certain point when you're really doing badly

00:25:24and you choose to not make it better.

00:25:26Like, in fact, you want to really take advantage

00:25:28or sort of like, you know...

00:25:29He kind of started that BS with the whole

00:25:32my bipolarness is a superpower thing.

00:25:36He started playing with it in some ways back then.

00:25:39And I do think that was truly the beginning

00:25:40of the fall off of this guy.

00:25:43You know, I think that there are a lot of misrepresentations

00:25:47of the way the last 10 years have played out.

00:25:49I really think it's like...

00:25:52I love half of the life of Pablo,

00:25:54maybe more of it.

00:25:56But that was, to me, the beginning of the end.

00:26:02The rollout, which is a complete and total nightmare.

00:26:05I've said this, I'll say this till the day I die.

00:26:08The fact that he decided on that beautiful,

00:26:13what could have been one of the great rap records

00:26:15of all time, when he decided to say,

00:26:19bleach her asshole on the record.

00:26:21I swear to you, to me, that is a bigger deal

00:26:23than people give it credit for.

00:26:24That is such a misstep as an artist.

00:26:27And the fact that there was no one in the room like,

00:26:29hey, we're doing the whole like choir thing.

00:26:33This song is like, hits you in the heart.

00:26:36I don't think that bar is good.

00:26:40To me, I'm like, oh, this is a guy who is losing sight

00:26:42of what it is to make complete art.

00:26:45He can make pieces of art now that are really cool.

00:26:50And even on that album, there are other pieces you can hear.

00:26:52How many times he goes back to his cousin

00:26:54who stole his laptop.

00:26:57You were telling, oh, this is a guy who's mentally like,

00:26:59when there's one thought in his head, he's not...

00:27:02There's something wrong here.

00:27:03Even though the good parts of that album are as good,

00:27:06I think, as really great stuff that he's done.

00:27:10That was the beginning.

00:27:11The Wyoming shit was a complete flop.

00:27:14I don't care.

00:27:16Yes, there are songs I like on Kids He Goes.

00:27:18There are songs I like on his record.

00:27:20Of course, Tiana's project,

00:27:22which I mean, he basically ruined for her,

00:27:24but it turned out to be a great,

00:27:25you know, the great stuff on that.

00:27:28It's one of the worst Nas projects of all.

00:27:30Like, oh yeah.

00:27:30Absolutely, Nas here.

00:27:32And I'll argue this until the day I die.

00:27:35Cop Shot the Kid was the most exciting

00:27:38and misused sample of all time.

00:27:40Like, you hear it, you go, oh, where is this going?

00:27:42And then I'm like, that's as far as it's going?

00:27:45So that whole period to me wasn't good.

00:27:47And that was the beginning of my, I'm done.

00:27:51Like, I remember, and they asked me to go out in the depth

00:27:53when they were trying to convince people to fly to Wyoming.

00:27:56At that point, I guess I had completely soiled

00:27:59the relationship to the point where they asked me to go.

00:28:02And I was like, I'm not going to Wyoming.

00:28:06I'm not saying I'm against going to Wyoming,

00:28:08but to listen.

00:28:08Shout out Wyoming.

00:28:09Bro, it's hard when a friend says,

00:28:11can you go to Brooklyn to listen to my album?

00:28:13Imagine going to Wyoming.

00:28:14To Wyoming?

00:28:15To be like sycophants for this guy?

00:28:17And all those celebrities still ran and showed up?

00:28:19They really, a lot of great celebrities deserve

00:28:22a little bit more ridicule now

00:28:24for the fact that y'all ran to Wyoming to listen.

00:28:26Shit, a bunch of them still ran to the Donda listening sessions.

00:28:29Six years later, like, they enabled this nigga,

00:28:31just like the rest of the listeners do.

00:28:33Yeah.

00:28:33Yo, the people who tell me that Donda's a classic.

00:28:37I know, I know.

00:28:39Tell us about the stadium.

00:28:40Uh-oh, uh-oh.

00:28:42I went to Wyoming.

00:28:43You went to both?

00:28:45You were not in Cody.

00:28:46I didn't go to the stadiums.

00:28:47I went to Wyoming.

00:28:48I thought you was, my bad.

00:28:49I went to the Larry Hoover concert that him and Drake did.

00:28:52I went to Wyoming.

00:28:53I got duped because the Ye album was atrocious.

00:28:58And, you know, they gave us freaking Yeezys,

00:29:01which I used to go to the gym now.

00:29:03I respect you giving them some love.

00:29:06Come on, they're sneakers, bro.

00:29:07And for me, that was the beginning of the end, actually.

00:29:09That experience is when, musically for me,

00:29:12I was like, yeah, it's over.

00:29:13Where were you working at that time?

00:29:14I was here.

00:29:15You were here, okay.

00:29:15I was here.

00:29:16And, you know, at the time, and I've told these guys this,

00:29:20every now and then when Kanye drops,

00:29:22there's some semblance of the guy who made

00:29:25the first five albums, undeniable classics.

00:29:27Like, I feel the same way, like I told you about Donda.

00:29:30If you truncate that album, which was 28 songs,

00:29:32to 15 songs, you have a fire.

00:29:35You've got to go lower than 15.

00:29:35I appreciate that.

00:29:35Really?

00:29:36Let's get it to nine.

00:29:37Nine?

00:29:38I was like 12.

00:29:39But I, I, I'm more agree with the idea of parts of songs

00:29:43having like, you know, there's a minute here, a hook here.

00:29:46Like, you know, I think that's a great-

00:29:47Like I told you about on Vultures too.

00:29:49Yeah.

00:29:49That was unfinished, but-

00:29:51A lot of, yeah, a lot of starts, stops.

00:29:53That's where you can hear the flicker,

00:29:56but it doesn't like, you know, the flame doesn't catch.

00:29:57When he tried to make Pablo like the living album situation,

00:30:00and then kept trying to make updates to it and stuff,

00:30:02and then just never really continued to do that,

00:30:04and then it just leaked into the rest of the projects

00:30:06where he just never put out finished work.

00:30:08Nothing was finished ever again.

00:30:09You know, and that just made me think too, about what a low-

00:30:12I'm allowed to say whatever I want here, right?

00:30:13I don't work at Billboard.

00:30:14Free.

00:30:15What a low-life piece of shit Klanier is.

00:30:19This guy, Jay-Z got on the best record on Donda, in my opinion, is Jail.

00:30:26That was the coup de grace of that album.

00:30:29I was like, this is a fucking cool sounding song.

00:30:32That wasn't that long ago that this guy was willing to show up for you.

00:30:37You were already persona non grata at that point.

00:30:40Right.

00:30:40Like, you were already burning bridges right and left.

00:30:42Yeah.

00:30:43And this guy, who you'd already done the weird shit before the-

00:30:47Remember, we used to play this audio on the radio.

00:30:49I don't know if you guys remember it.

00:30:49Do you remember the,

00:30:50Jay-Z, please don't send your shooters.

00:30:53Remember?

00:30:54He'd already done that whole weird shit years ago.

00:30:57On tour.

00:30:58And then he came, and again, I'm sure very regretfully,

00:31:03gave you a verse for that to say the things that you said.

00:31:07There is so no coming back from where he's gone.

00:31:10We talked about it earlier with Drake and Children.

00:31:13Whatever Drake brought up in that battle is-

00:31:16Hails in comparison.

00:31:17Literally nothing.

00:31:18Oh, God.

00:31:18Nothing.

00:31:23There's no response from Jay-Z at this point to Kanye,

00:31:27to Ye that I would think is inappropriate.

00:31:29He could say or do anything to this man.

00:31:32And at that point, I'd go, I'm not saying I think it was a good idea.

00:31:35I'm not saying I think it was right.

00:31:37But there's not a person alive who wouldn't go, I get it.

00:31:41You said some wild shit about his little children.

00:31:44It's the end.

00:31:46And obviously, we're not even talking about the Hitler stuff, the swastika stuff,

00:31:51which, by the way, it's boring, and it's so desperate.

00:31:59Okay, do I believe that the guy may live in hateful,

00:32:05stereotypical anti-Jewish tropes?

00:32:08Yes, I think that's probably a real thing.

00:32:11Like, I think he's one of those dumb motherfuckers who, after a bad experience,

00:32:16like all bigots, after a bad experience, makes a decision about a group of people.

00:32:21Although it's fascinating with him,

00:32:23because you have to imagine to have made it to where he was in the business,

00:32:27the amount of good experiences he had to have with Jewish people, too,

00:32:31of which we can name some, chapter and verse.

00:32:34Steve Rifkin among them, people who stood by you during the worst,

00:32:38who were like known Jewish industry executives.

00:32:41The exact people, not even just by religion, by trade, by style,

00:32:46like the exact people that you have told the world are evil

00:32:50and stealing from everyone and monsters.

00:32:52These have been good people to you at different times.

00:32:55So like, yet I think he's crazy enough to operate in that.

00:32:59Do I really believe that like he truly admires like the idea of gas chambers

00:33:06and murder and killing children?

00:33:10No, I don't.

00:33:11I mean, it's psycho as I think he is.

00:33:12I don't think that he sits around thinking,

00:33:14that's awesome, like we should do stuff like that.

00:33:17And that's not me holding on to hope.

00:33:19That's just me believing he's such a fucking phony.

00:33:21Like you don't stand for shit.

00:33:23You don't even stand for your Hitler belief.

00:33:26I don't even believe that.

00:33:27Like you don't stand for a thing.

00:33:30And the one thing I'm always just left by is the tragedy of Donda West's legacy.

00:33:37Because that was a really special human being who did special things in her life.

00:33:43And to like know that now the thing that will always follow her,

00:33:48which at one point was probably such an incredible point of pride for her,

00:33:51the biggest point of pride,

00:33:53to know that that person is completely sullying your name,

00:33:57the family name.

00:33:58To me, that is utterly tragic.

00:34:00That is the biggest tragedy.

00:34:02And we don't know how that tragedy is going to unfold on his children.

00:34:04And God willing, Kim is able to protect them from that in some way.

00:34:10And I just want to say, no one ever points this out.

00:34:14I got to give Kim Kardashian a lot of credit.

00:34:17Like I can't manage to stop talking about this idiot, okay?

00:34:20And I don't even know him.

00:34:22I just know him tangentially.

00:34:24She never says boo.

00:34:26Like she manages to really keep this thing like as on the rails.

00:34:30So that's why it really falls on deaf ears.

00:34:32You're walking around hating all these people that they don't defend you

00:34:34against your evil ex-wife,

00:34:37who doesn't even step out in the public eye to beat you up

00:34:43when she probably should at this point.

00:34:45And to that point, knowing that he said in the interview,

00:34:48like after two months, I knew I didn't want to have kids with her.

00:34:52Yet you have four.

00:34:53And yet North and Faith are at the age where they can find this on the internet.

00:34:58Why? She's with you.

00:34:59Yeah.

00:35:00Bro, North was with you when you invited Andrew Tate to your house.

00:35:05Like, did you catch that one?

00:35:06That one slipped by me last night.

00:35:08That shit was crazy.

00:35:08Yeah, yeah.

00:35:09Because Kim said, fuck no.

00:35:11So this somehow slipped under the radar.

00:35:13Okay.

00:35:13Kim Kardashian ran to the LA court, or maybe it was Miami court,

00:35:19and had an immediate injunction and got in front of a judge

00:35:24to steal North back from him because this idiot had Northwest in a house

00:35:30where he was going to invite guests over who are accused of trafficking women.

00:35:36Kim had to run to court to be like, hell no, you are not doing that.

00:35:40So like, to your point though, North is obviously a brilliant little girl

00:35:46who's capable of a lot at a really young age.

00:35:49She's hearing all this.

00:35:50Yeah.

00:35:51Like, it's just a really, it's a wild thing.

00:35:54I wonder when, you know, who knows what the origin of their relationship ever was.

00:35:59Like, you know, I think they're both so tactical that it's hard to say

00:36:03whether this was ever based in anything-

00:36:05Just organic.

00:36:06Of being organic at all.

00:36:07Yeah.

00:36:08Although the stupid part of me believes at some point it was.

00:36:11And I feel like it was.

00:36:12Like, they're both such narcissists that like, y'all had to have been attracted to each other.

00:36:15Yeah.

00:36:16There was something there.

00:36:16That makes sense.

00:36:17Yeah.

00:36:19But it is sad.

00:36:20And like, I don't know.

00:36:21Like, miss me with the like, when we talk about, yay,

00:36:26I'm also going to throw in slander for Kim Kardashian.

00:36:29The woman who, you say what you want about her,

00:36:31her main passion now is about getting innocent people out of jail.

00:36:36Like, while you're running around praising Hitler,

00:36:39her main thing is going to prisons to help people.

00:36:42Like, I get it.

00:36:43Maybe I'm gullible.

00:36:44I think she's looking better.

00:36:47Yeah.

00:36:47There we go.

00:36:48Sorry.

00:36:49And she was good in American Horror Story.

00:36:50I mean, let's not be honest with you.

00:36:52I ain't watch that.

00:36:53Well, fucking said, Peter.

00:36:55Gentlemen, before we close this one out.

00:36:58I think I'm just tired of like, what you were saying,

00:37:00him being phony in his provocations.

00:37:03Like, when in the academics interview where he was like,

00:37:06oh yeah, I can't wear this outside because they're going to put me in the hospital.

00:37:09I just feel like if you really stood on your shit,

00:37:11you would walk outside in that black KKK outfit and see what happens.

00:37:14You know, you do too much.

00:37:15So you stay in areas where you can't get fully held accountable for like,

00:37:20academics are not going to do shit.

00:37:21Like, in this interview with you,

00:37:23no one's here to actually check you on anything.

00:37:25But like, you won't actually enter a space where you can get checked

00:37:28or have the opportunity to get checked.

00:37:29And I do think you're aware enough to know that you're doing too much,

00:37:32but you want a response real bad.

00:37:35The issue is he's backed himself into a corner where publicly,

00:37:39like the Carters especially,

00:37:40are not about to publicly acknowledge any of this shit.

00:37:42And he wants that so desperately, so desperately.

00:37:47Between like him with like a fucking game,

00:37:49making that song about Beyonce's mother two, three weeks ago,

00:37:53to this new stuff with twins.

00:37:54Like, they're not going to say shit.

00:37:56They don't say shit about anything.

00:37:57Like, the most we got was like, you know,

00:38:00them sending that letter to like Jaguar's people last year.

00:38:02And even that was like, oh shit, y'all don't normally do that.

00:38:05They're not going to do anything.

00:38:06I think he's going to continue to do really clearly desperate,

00:38:10like stunts to make this happen.

00:38:11And it's just like, it's kind of sad seeing this,

00:38:15seeing like the ravings of a Mad King who like has not understood

00:38:18that he hasn't been on the throne for about 10 years.

00:38:20Like, he's just hates whoever's on top of that.

00:38:23Like, if it wasn't Kendrick, if it wasn't Cardi,

00:38:25if it was somebody else, they'd-

00:38:26Well, that's how you really knew, right?

00:38:28And at least he admitted that in the interview.

00:38:29Right. Yeah.

00:38:30He admitted to being jealous of Dot.

00:38:32Yeah.

00:38:33You know, and getting the Super Bowl looks.

00:38:35So that's a start.

00:38:36He's jealous of everyone.

00:38:38The other one that was so mind numbing was the Pusha T stuff.

00:38:44This man, Pusha, truly kept quiet for as long as humanly possible.

00:38:50Yeah.

00:38:51When asked about him.

00:38:52Yeah.

00:38:52You went so far with the desperation.

00:38:55You had to go to this next level where you put everybody who knows you

00:39:01in a position now where if they don't distance themselves,

00:39:05you are forcing them, in order to have any relationship with you,

00:39:08they have to sacrifice, like, real options in their life.

00:39:15Like, if you come up to someone and you say,

00:39:18hey, I know for a fact you're friends with a guy who's obsessed with Hitler.

00:39:22Are you obsessed with Hitler?

00:39:24Right.

00:39:26You have to reasonably go, oh, no, no, no, I'm a sane person.

00:39:29I think Hitler was evil like all other sane people.

00:39:32Mm-hmm.

00:39:33If that, to Ye is an affront, and you are now a bad friend who deserves to be ostracized,

00:39:41that's a lonely place to be, bro.

00:39:43Imagine having no relationship, if you're him, with Hove, Pusha,

00:39:53Kim Card, the mother of your children.

00:39:56Like, he is alone.

00:39:57Yeah.

00:39:58Like, I mean, Bianca's sensory is out.

00:40:02Yeah.

00:40:02Like, so now you're in a hotel room wearing a KKK hood with academics.

00:40:08To save the mighty have fallen, there needs to be a new phrase that has,

00:40:13and all the money in the world, all the king's horses and all the king's men,

00:40:18there is nothing he can do.

00:40:21It doesn't matter how much money you have.

00:40:23Like, he'll keep selling that to you, like, I'm so rich, I can do whatever.

00:40:27Yeah, but you can't do anything.

00:40:29Like, all you can do is reach at this point,

00:40:32craziest sycophants you have.

00:40:33You're selling shirts for $20.

00:40:35By the way, samples cleared now.

00:40:37You don't have to do everything.

00:40:38You can't get a record done anymore.

00:40:40Like, you can't even put them out on actual streaming service anymore

00:40:43because you want to self-leak.

00:40:44They had to get rid of all your sneakers.

00:40:45People had to liquidate them.

00:40:46Where are the swastika shirts in the street, Mr. Influence?

00:40:49When's it happening?

00:40:50Where is everyone going to be outside?

00:40:52When's your stadium tour next?

00:40:53I want to see.

00:40:54I mean, Chris Brown has a stadium tour now.

00:40:55Stadium tours are very in.

00:40:57I want to see the next, yay, stadium tour.

00:40:59And it was a struggle for him just to get the freaking arena tour

00:41:03and stadiums for Vultures to do the listening.

00:41:05Yeah, to do the listening.

00:41:06And by the way, does he sell tickets?

00:41:08Were those even sold tickets?

00:41:09Are they sold or free?

00:41:11I want to see how many tickets he sells.

00:41:13Who knows?

00:41:14Just like the status of the third Vultures album that never materialized.

00:41:17Like, he don't know shit.

00:41:18And then he shit on Ty.

00:41:20Wait, he shit on Ty?

00:41:21Oh, he shit on Ty.

00:41:21He did shit on Ty.

00:41:22Because he claimed that, like, record labels pressure Ty

00:41:26to put out that statement saying that he doesn't, you know,

00:41:28stand with the hate speech that's being.

00:41:30Again.

00:41:30Because he was saying that they agreed on a statement.

00:41:33Right.

00:41:33And he felt like Ty switched the statement to appease other people,

00:41:37you know, instead of what he and Yay apparently agreed to initially.

00:41:41So we felt like he was thrown under the bus,

00:41:43you know, again, for some higher powers or whatever,

00:41:45who want to control the strings.

00:41:47I got to make a list of the people, respectfully.

00:41:49I got to make a list of the people who played themselves the most

00:41:52by hanging out with them.

00:41:54It is like, oh, it's so epic.

00:41:55Because even Ty, don't get me wrong.

00:41:57I feel bad for him because I love Ty.

00:41:58But at the same time, bro, you played yourself.

00:42:00I was, I don't feel bad at all.

00:42:01Yeah, you were hanging out through it all.

00:42:02That's a grown man.

00:42:03True.

00:42:04Has a very clear brain.

00:42:06Like, you chose to link up with post 2020 Kanye West for three albums.

00:42:12And only two of them came out.

00:42:13It's kind of, it's kind of like having the angel in the dead light.

00:42:15Not hope against hope.

00:42:16Because in a sense, this last year was the biggest year of his career.

00:42:18He got a number one song, got a number one album.

00:42:21Sure.

00:42:21First of many, of anything.

00:42:24Does it feel bigger, though?

00:42:26When he was running around with YG and Mustard.

00:42:28Like, that's the thing.

00:42:28Those are great stats to have.

00:42:30But it's not like anyone really gives a fuck about Carnival.

00:42:32And I agree.

00:42:33And I feel like, honestly, the bigger moments with Ty have come from Leon and Mutt, honestly,

00:42:37in the past, like, six months.

00:42:38That's so much more interesting and so much more cool for the culture than him

00:42:42giving Kanye, like, whack records.

00:42:44Or, like, maybe records that he spit a cool verse to in 2016.

00:42:48And we finally get half of that verse in 2023.

00:42:50Like, I don't know.

00:42:52Like, it's cool that you have those number ones now.

00:42:55But it does feel like Ty is kind of in the same spot that he was before these records

00:43:00came out.

00:43:01Just everyone's looking at him a little bit sideways now.

00:43:04Why the fuck would you do that?

00:43:05I guess I felt bad because career-wise, you know, if you're in a moment where you think

00:43:11there's a really big opportunity to do something and you haven't had maybe a big opportunity

00:43:14in a second, I see why there's pressure to do it.

00:43:17But yeah, you're right.

00:43:18He's a grown man, a very talented man.

00:43:19And he made that choice.

00:43:20And this goes back all the way to, you know, if we were to make the list of playing

00:43:25yourself, it can go back to Scooter, who sat next to him.

00:43:30There are a lot of people who I like, who I care for, who made the mistake of being

00:43:35like, I'm going to just keep hanging out and see how this goes.

00:43:37I mean, like, Yes Jules.

00:43:41The list goes on and on.

00:43:42And people are like, I got an idea.

00:43:43I'm going to run with this guy for a while.

00:43:45How bad could it go?

00:43:46It always goes the worst way it could go.

00:43:49You fully told Yes Jules to shut up before she gets exiled?

00:43:53Who says the word exile?

00:43:54I like that just casually.

00:43:56Guy's off his fucking rocker, but stood by him that entire time.

00:43:59And people stand by and they're like, they don't think it's going to be them.

00:44:03I mean, it's similar to the first Trump administration.

00:44:06Literally, the first Trump administration, so far he hasn't been doing it in the same

00:44:10way.

00:44:10The first time around, he was just firing everyone.

00:44:12Like, you're in.

00:44:13I love you.

00:44:13Oh, I'm loyal.

00:44:14Oh, fire.

00:44:15They're on TV talking about it.

00:44:17It would be the same thing.

00:44:18And by the way, there are similarities there.

00:44:22We saw Gemini twins right there.

00:44:23We saw him run up to the Oval Office with the phone.

00:44:26I'm wrong.

00:44:27I'm a Gemini.

00:44:27Oh, yeah.

00:44:32Dem yo people.

00:44:33Matter of fact, Trump, final word.

00:44:39I mean, honestly, look, it ain't nothing that anybody ain't said.

00:44:41I think the thing that's hard to take maybe seriously with all this is we know he's an

00:44:45unreliable narrator.

00:44:46All this is going out now.

00:44:47In two weeks, you can get half these tweets.

00:44:49That'll be contradicting or I didn't say this or whatever.

00:44:52I think the big thing that we pointed out is maybe, you know, him aside.

00:44:56We've seen this before.

00:44:56We've seen this.

00:44:57We're going to see it again.

00:44:58Unfortunately, to me, this time around, it's really about the other people involved, particularly

00:45:03his kids.

00:45:03Like, I'm not even famous.

00:45:06Hard to believe.

00:45:07But if like if I heard from my daddy that he didn't want kids with my mom, like that's

00:45:12going to hurt me forever, let alone everybody else gets to know about it.

00:45:16And, you know, who knows how it goes down at school and all these kind of places.

00:45:20But the fact that that's out there forever, like, you know, I don't care if you walk it

00:45:23back in the sense of, you know, oh, I didn't want kids, but maybe she was the wrong person

00:45:28or, you know, I wasn't in my right mind when I said that.

00:45:31Like, that's the kind of shit that I feel like is going to stick.

00:45:34And I should listen to the internet.

00:45:36Like, right.

00:45:36I mean, so as much as it is about, you know, the celebrity and this and that and what he's

00:45:40saying and what he's doing, you know, this is one of the few times I think we really

00:45:43see other people like directly in his family, you know, be on the receiving end of this

00:45:49in a way that I don't know how you, you know, mend this relationship or mend that comment

00:45:53with.

00:45:54Because that's one of those things I know for me, like that would be, especially at

00:45:57that young age.

00:45:58I mean, that's going to be in the back of my mind for years after he was like, I almost

00:46:01like aborted her or like, yeah, like that's already out there.

00:46:05She probably already has that's going on.

00:46:07She got some new shit.

00:46:08It's like, damn, you don't you don't give a fuck about the last thing I'll say on it

00:46:11is that the.

00:46:13I truly like musically, I was a huge fan of his.

00:46:17Like, I always thought personally he was weird, but musically, like I remember he was kind

00:46:22of the last remaining artist who I like.

00:46:25Well, that sounded incredibly douchey.

00:46:27Like, let me say that of the artists that I like covered kind of that were like in my

00:46:32world where I basically had access to going to shows.

00:46:34He was like the last hour.

00:46:35I would just go buy tickets like I didn't have relationships with his team.

00:46:38Like I would be like, oh, he's coming to town.

00:46:40I'm gonna buy tickets.

00:46:41I'm gonna go to the concert.

00:46:41Like I was I was a fan in that sport.

00:46:43I'm gonna make sure I'm there.

00:46:44Yeah, like I don't want to miss those shows.

00:46:46And that happened for, you know, up until whenever.

00:46:48Probably the Pablo tour.

00:46:51So I, you know, and I think like all of us, I think all of us were kind of heartbroken

00:46:55to watch the genius documentary because we were reminded of what was in there, right?

00:47:00That within there, there's a lot of bad stuff that we've seen, but there was also some really

00:47:05special, unique stuff.

00:47:07And I wish there was a version in which this could still turn out good.

00:47:14I don't believe there is, though.

00:47:16Like, and I wish I hope against hope.

00:47:20I wish there could be a way that somehow this ends up getting to like, he goes away for

00:47:28a long time.

00:47:29We find out he truly goes to get like deep, you know, inpatient mental health.

00:47:33He comes out truly is like makes amends everywhere.

00:47:38That would be awesome.

00:47:40But the reality is this is probably only a bad ending.

00:47:44And it's hard to imagine at this point that bad ending, hopefully, is him as a very old

00:47:48man in bed one day.

00:47:49But if he doesn't ever get help, that's still gonna be a bad ending.

00:47:52It's gonna be this for another 40 years.

00:47:54Like, that's still a bad ending.

00:47:56Like, there's no version without him getting just intense help, you know, that this doesn't

00:48:02really end bad.

00:48:03And that's truly sad for someone who was one of the most important artists of our time.

00:48:10Yeah, you know, he really was.

00:48:13Breaks my heart, man.

00:48:16Let's move on.

00:48:17It's something more uplifting and positive.

00:48:20Another year means another summer jam that will be taking place this summer.

00:48:26This time around at the Prudential Center.

00:48:28June 20th lineup came out earlier this week.

00:48:31We're looking at A Boogie, Gunna, Glorilla, Ira Star, Asake, 4 One, Jim Jones and Friends,

00:48:40Ja Rule and Friends to honor Mr. Irv Gotti, R.I.P.

00:48:46Peter, man, obviously you played an integral part of summer jam, Hot 97 in general, man.

00:48:53What would you say is a legacy of summer jam?

00:48:56Just talk about the state of the annual concert, man, because I have a lot of fire memories,

00:49:02you know, going back to maybe early 2010s where I saw like Drake, Nicki and Wayne take

00:49:09center stage to 50 and G-Unit coming back.

00:49:13Everybody used to talk about the rain and how like she used to come down and the cats

00:49:17were still out here vibing.

00:49:19But now, you know, there's some chatter about it.

00:49:22Kind of.

00:49:23We need the feeling to be restored again for summer jam.

00:49:26Yeah, I don't think that feeling is coming back.

00:49:30I don't I just like I think.

00:49:35Summer jam will still be a great time.

00:49:40I had a great time last year.

00:49:41Yeah, I had a great time last two years.

00:49:43And at first I was annoyed that it was moved inside.

00:49:46It's not a real life stadium like that's just not quite the same this year.

00:49:49It's a this year.

00:49:50It's a Friday late in June.

00:49:53OK, that does it indoors.

00:49:55Yeah, in no way does that resemble when I first got to the station in 2007.

00:50:01So but again, as I mentioned earlier, I am old and washed.

00:50:07And from that standpoint, I really enjoyed like a shorter show where you're not thinking

00:50:15about the weather.

00:50:16Yeah, and you can kind of just post up in a seat and see a dope array of acts because

00:50:22I am, you know, if I were 24 years old and wearing a Duke sweatshirt, I would go to like

00:50:30Coachella and different festivals and wander around all day.

00:50:34But I'm not.

00:50:35I'm old and washed, wearing an expensive jacket.

00:50:40And I'm going to sit in my seat with a beverage in my hand.

00:50:43And I'm going to see the acts and have a good time.

00:50:46So like, so let me say this.

00:50:48What I'm not going to do is get up here and go.

00:50:51Summer Jam is the same as it's ever been.

00:50:53We're not going to do that.

00:50:54I've been around too long and I don't care.

00:50:56So I'm not saying that it is definitely not the same and it ain't coming back.

00:51:00But I'm also not going to sit here and say it's not a great time.

00:51:02I did absolutely enjoy last year, even like Sexy Red.

00:51:05I'm not going into a Sexy Red show.

00:51:07I'm not.

00:51:07I'm not even interested enough.

00:51:09But when I was at Summer Jam, I did enjoy taking in a Sexy Red show.

00:51:13And I was like, this is what the Sexy Red thing is all about.

00:51:16So like, and then you also got like old school stuff and you get, you know.

00:51:20So no, man, it's not.

00:51:23It's not 2001.

00:51:25It's not Michael Jackson with Jay-Z.

00:51:27But it's also not Nikki bringing out Drake, you know.

00:51:31And it's not Rosenberg dissing Nikki.

00:51:34And it's not all of those.

00:51:35Like there were classic moments that really went up.

00:51:38I was trying to do the math the other day, I think till like the mid-teens.

00:51:42And maybe it really sort of changed in that way by the time the pandemic came.

00:51:47But I don't see a world in which we go back to it meaning what it used to mean.

00:51:52But for so many reasons.

00:51:53First of all, a lot of changes in management at the radio station.

00:51:58Mistakes in my opinion with branding of the radio station.

00:52:01But I'm not going to get into all that here.

00:52:03I'll be somewhat filtered in that regard.

00:52:05But what I will say that the bigger piece than any of those things that I could complain about.

00:52:09And privately, please reach out.

00:52:12Is that the music has changed.

00:52:15But also the situation for concerts has changed.

00:52:20So artists just don't need us in the same way.

00:52:23They, number one, don't need us because radio is not as important as it was years ago.

00:52:28But it does maintain more relevance than people will give it credit for, right.

00:52:32It does matter, okay.

00:52:34However, there are now all of these festivals.

00:52:39We used to be the only place for rappers to go.

00:52:43Like you want to get in front of 50,000, you better do Summer Jam.

00:52:48By the mid-teens, Governor's Ball was the same weekend as Summer Jam.

00:52:53And they had starting with one rapper.

00:52:56Then they had two.

00:52:57Now there's six.

00:52:58Now you look at these shows, half the top of the bill is rap.

00:53:01So respectfully to the company, again, even if I have issues with some decisions that

00:53:07have been made over the years, they're really in no position to compete.

00:53:12They can't financially compete with what these live nations are going to offer these artists

00:53:17to go do at these festivals.

00:53:18So you've got to then go, all right, so what can we offer the audience that's not going

00:53:24to be the absolute top shelf, number one artists in the game?

00:53:28Like we're not getting Drake anymore.

00:53:30He has his own festival.

00:53:31Jake Cole has his own festival.

00:53:34Nikki's doing a worldwide.

00:53:35She did a worldwide tour.

00:53:37Kendrick's in stadiums with SZA.

00:53:39All artists we've seen on the stage before, they're not coming back.

00:53:43So what do you do?

00:53:44I think you do probably what has been done, which is you put together an interesting lineup

00:53:51with a few old classic New York heads that people love to hear from, some new New York

00:53:58heads who have some buzz that people like and kids can mess with.

00:54:03Then you throw in a few just big mainstream hip-hop acts, which in this case, Gunna,

00:54:11Glorilla, and A Boogie are three nice, solid, interesting artists.

00:54:15I want to see Glorilla.

00:54:17Is 45-year-old Peter Rosenberg going out to a Glorilla concert?

00:54:20No, I am not.

00:54:21You should, though.

00:54:22But I don't have to.

00:54:23Yeah, but now you've got it right there, right?

00:54:25But I was watching clips of her concert, and I was like, I'd like to see Glorilla.

00:54:29I like her.

00:54:30She's charming and has good records.

00:54:32I mess with Glorilla.

00:54:33You can get into a fight on the floor with everybody and everything.

00:54:35Exactly, why not?

00:54:36And you never know who she's going to bring out.

00:54:38Whatever.

00:54:38That's a fact.

00:54:39And then the last bit of spice that you add in, and this again speaks to some of the positive

00:54:44changes in the genre, then you add in some cultural acts, too.

00:54:48Now we get Afrobeats, you get Haitian artists, Trini artists, Jamaican artists,

00:54:54and that's a very New York thing.

00:54:55So when it's all said and done, while it does not have the sex appeal of 2010,

00:55:01if we were to go back and look at it, it's going to be a sold-out, good concert.

00:55:06It's going to be a sold-out, really good indoor concert where you're not stressing the weather.

00:55:10So I guess it's kind of a cheap way of saying, no, it's not the same, but it's still pretty dope.

00:55:17Yeah.

00:55:17It's different, but it's good.

00:55:19You know what I realized, too?

00:55:21It's coming right off Juneteenth, so that's going to be a long weekend.

00:55:24Do we still have Juneteenth?

00:55:25I would hope so.

00:55:26Oh, shit.

00:55:26As far as we're aware, I mean, I'm going to take Juneteenth.

00:55:29As far as we know, the calendar says, I'm going to take Juneteenth.

00:55:32By the way, in New York, where we are all doing this show right now, we are good.

00:55:37New York has us.

00:55:38Hell yeah.

00:55:39Across the country, we're going to see how that plays out.

00:55:40Good luck to them.

00:55:41I'm going to have my way.

00:55:42You know, by the way, first of all, Juneteenth is literally

00:55:46the most appropriate holiday ever created, right?

00:55:49Most holidays, you're like, what are we doing here?

00:55:51This one was like, oh, this is the day that the worst

00:55:54institution in the history of our country ended.

00:55:56This is literally what holidays are made of.

00:55:58Like, this is what a holiday is supposed to be.

00:56:00This is true.

00:56:00And then once you introduce a new day, oh, I mean, there could have been full-on bigots

00:56:04out there who were like, nah, we're celebrating Juneteenth.

00:56:08We ain't got to go to work.

00:56:09Wait, what?

00:56:09You know what?

00:56:10On second thought.

00:56:12But yeah, no, it is cool.

00:56:13It is the day after Juneteenth.

00:56:14I don't know if that's going to be the—

00:56:16I don't know, like for people observing, work observance probably will be—

00:56:22it might be that Friday.

00:56:24If it's an observed holiday.

00:56:26That's good though, because that means every day we can do it.

00:56:28No, it's like, it's one of those day of holidays.

00:56:30You have to do day of?

00:56:31Yeah.

00:56:31Are you sure?

00:56:32Who the hell would do Juneteenth on June 20th?

00:56:34Well, I would.

00:56:34It's still the 19th.

00:56:36Don't look at this.

00:56:36It's one of them, like, hard—

00:56:39You have to do the day.

00:56:40That's why it's called Juneteenth.

00:56:41So then, okay, then—

00:56:42Come on, Texas.

00:56:43But can we get—

00:56:45I'm like—

00:56:45But can we get Friday too, then?

00:56:47I mean—

00:56:47I think it's a long weekend.

00:56:48That's what I'm saying, though.

00:56:49That's good for the city.

00:56:50Once you get to Thursday—

00:56:51Right.

00:56:51I mean, you got to talk to your manager, but I think you can—

00:56:54That's good, but that means it's going to be like lots of nice parties.

00:56:56That could be a very good weekend.

00:56:58Yeah, I mean, everybody's going to kind of, you know—

00:57:00Yeah, pretty good.

00:57:00Yeah, we're already here, you know, going round it up.

00:57:03I feel like this was a weak, cop-out answer by me,

00:57:05but I really do authentically mean what I'm saying.

00:57:08I think you'll have a great time if you go.

00:57:10I love—

00:57:11We were at UBS last year, and I really did feel weird about it,

00:57:15because culturally, I hate that we're not at the stadium.

00:57:19Yeah, I get it.

00:57:20Culturally, I hate that we're on a Friday at the end of June.

00:57:22Yeah.

00:57:23It's just not the same.

00:57:24Right.

00:57:24But Old Washed Me says—

00:57:27You get to kick your feet up.

00:57:28Inside on a Friday?

00:57:30UBS is also a very nice event.

00:57:31UBS was great.

00:57:32And by the way, Prudential's great too.

00:57:33This year's Prudential, which is a great—

00:57:34I love—

00:57:35I think Prudential's one of the underrated buildings—

00:57:37I was going to say, it is underrated.

00:57:38—of this area.

00:57:39You got a dinosaur barbecue outside.

00:57:41It's a good time at Prudential.

00:57:43But yeah, no, I miss—

00:57:44I certainly miss—

00:57:45Come on down to the Prudential Center.

00:57:46That's right.

00:57:47We'll get you a hot plate of links.

00:57:49Right before the show.

00:57:50Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:57:51But I did—

00:57:52But listen, I'm not going to sit here and lie.

00:57:53Like, the early days when I started,

00:57:56I just feel very grateful that when I look back at my career,

00:58:00I was able to get up to hot at a time when it was still very much hot.

00:58:05Like, I won't sit and pretend as if the brand is now in 2025

00:58:10what it was in 2010, because I'm not a fool.

00:58:14But what I will say is I'm very personally proud

00:58:18that I had a run of being deeply entrenched in it when it still was.

00:58:23You know what I mean?

00:58:23Like, I was the morning guy when it was still, like, happening.

00:58:28And like, at Summer Jam with Miss Info and Angie Martinez and crazy—

00:58:33Like, it was still the essence.

00:58:35You know what I mean?

00:58:36So I am proud of that.

00:58:37It was some of the great—

00:58:39My first day of work ever was at Summer Jam.

00:58:42Like, I was a kid who grew up dreaming of being on Hot 97,

00:58:46listening when I would visit my grandparents.

00:58:48And my first day working here, the assignment from Ebro,

00:58:51who at the time was my boss, was go to the stadium.

00:58:55Here's where you go.

00:58:56Your name's on the list.

00:58:58I had not yet done a shift.

00:59:00Um, check in, and they assigned me a camera guy

00:59:05who turned out to be my friend DJ Quiz.

00:59:07And they handed me a mic with the Hot 97 flag on it.

00:59:12And I was just roaming Summer Jam with the official Hot 97.

00:59:16Like, I was the reporter to do interviews backstage.

00:59:20That was my first day on the job.

00:59:22Like, it was an insane—

00:59:24Like, and I just feel like it was such a different time, right?

00:59:28Like, there were no blogs.

00:59:30Like, there was no social.

00:59:32So there was no other thousand other people doing the same thing.

00:59:36I was the only one.

00:59:38And these rap artists who I loved so much,

00:59:41even like the mainstream ones, because I was, you know, Joe Backpack.

00:59:43But even the mainstream ones were like superheroes

00:59:46who stepped out of a comic book.

00:59:47Like, when you're standing there—

00:59:48And you can go find it.

00:59:49Like, Peter Rosenberg does Summer Jam 2007 is on YouTube.

00:59:52I look insane, but whatever.

00:59:54To be standing there in the hallway and like,

00:59:56here comes Rick Ross and Swizz Beatz and Jadakiss.

00:59:59It was like, for me at that time,

01:00:02like, yeah, like seeing superheroes step off the screen into real life.

01:00:05And I get to be the one to interview them.

01:00:07Yeah.

01:00:07And like, it's wild.

01:00:09Those were amazing days.

01:00:11I love that.

01:00:12Well, knowing that 18 years at Hot,

01:00:15now you get to kick back, enjoy June 20th.

01:00:18Comfy chair.

01:00:20Oh, yeah.

01:00:20You may not even get me on stage.

01:00:21I used to host all day.

01:00:22I don't even work anymore.

01:00:23I go, I just show up and I'm like,

01:00:26where's free food?

01:00:29I've made it to that level.

01:00:30Just show me to my free food.

01:00:31Let the kids do the interviews.

01:00:33These artists don't need to see me running up on them with a microphone anymore.

01:00:36Now, my goal now is to get to run up on artists with a microphone

01:00:40at like other places where they don't expect to see me.

01:00:42Hey.

01:00:42Like WWE.

01:00:43Yeah.

01:00:44When we had Bad Blood in Atlanta.

01:00:45Yeah, which was fire.

01:00:46And I get to run up on all the rappers there.

01:00:48Shout out to Metro.

01:00:49Yeah, Metro was there.

01:00:50Quavo, Yachty, Killer Mike.

01:00:52By the way, you know, it's the first time I ever met Metro.

01:00:54Really?

01:00:55Never met Metro in my life until like we literally only became friends over wrestling.

01:01:00That's fire.

01:01:00Like I never, never met him before.

01:01:02I went up to him.

01:01:03We had like a very, obviously, we know each other of each other well, but never been.

01:01:08Because he's one of those artists who ascended without ever really needing to do press.

01:01:11Right.

01:01:12Yeah.

01:01:12There was no Metro press run.

01:01:13Yeah.

01:01:14I'm sure you guys, places like Billboard and real journalistic outlets, you're not going

01:01:18to radio.

01:01:18No.

01:01:19So that was the first time I ever met the man on my left.

01:01:21So that was the first time I ever met the man in my life.

01:01:22And it was over wrestling, which is, it's going to be crazy to see in Vegas.

01:01:25Wrestlemania.

01:01:26Yep.

01:01:27Coming up in a few weeks, the weekend of the 20th.

01:01:29It's going to be fascinating to see the level of celebrities that come out.

01:01:32Yeah.

01:01:33When Drizzy showed up in Toronto.

01:01:35Crazy.

01:01:35Was that, now that was a different level.

01:01:38Nuts.

01:01:38I did not expect that.

01:01:40But we're here.

01:01:41And for Vegas?

01:01:42Yeah.

01:01:42Vegas could be.

01:01:43Yeah, they're coming out.

01:01:43It's going to be nuts.

01:01:44And in case you guys didn't see, you know, shout out to Mr. Peter Rosenberg, who also

01:01:49made our sports and music power players list, especially for what he has done with the WWE.

01:01:56Before we wrap, I just want to personally give you your flowers.

01:02:00Because these guys know I'm a huge wrestling fanatic and what you've been able to do in

01:02:06terms of crossover and open the door in terms of the intersection of music and wrestling.

01:02:12I don't think that's highlighted or spoken about enough, especially with WWE now at its

01:02:17peak and culturally, everybody's trying to tap in.

01:02:21I think you were the first to really bring and bridge those gaps together.

01:02:26I appreciate it.

01:02:29A big shout out.

01:02:30Yes, I was very early.

01:02:32When I first got to Hot Nose 7, I like, I was always like wearing wrestling shirts at

01:02:36that time.

01:02:36Yeah.

01:02:36It's like big Cena edge era.

01:02:38Yeah.

01:02:39And I started doing interviews at, again, I would do all these WWE press conferences.

01:02:44And again, I was the only person, me and my buddy, Sam Roberts, we were the only people

01:02:48with cameras and microphones out there trying to do this stuff.

01:02:50And I had the Hot 97, my flag, which kind of rang bells, you know, so I was very early.

01:02:55But shout out to Wale.

01:02:58Yeah, Wale.

01:02:58Wale may be a tennis this year, but he around the same time.

01:03:01I mean, I'll say me just first, but you just buy a little bit.

01:03:05Wale smoked is, of course, now Westside Gun carries the flag really big.

01:03:10But also, shout out to Neil Lowey, who's the head of music at WWE, who really does

01:03:16a tremendous job bridging the gap with all these artists.

01:03:20I mean, you see Travis Scott is intimately involved.

01:03:22I don't think there's any Travis WWE thing without Neil's involvement.

01:03:26He was such a big piece of that.

01:03:27But it is cool, man.

01:03:30Like when I'm at these shows to like, I've been there.

01:03:33My first show I did with them was in 2016.

01:03:36And to see the way the celebrity thing has changed.

01:03:39Different.

01:03:40We're now like, you know, Logan Paul is there full time.

01:03:45You know, Pat McAfee is there full time.

01:03:47But then you're at a show and like, you see like a sign for Kai Sanat and I show speed.

01:03:54I'm like there.

01:03:54I got backstage.

01:03:55I'm like, there's a Kai Sanat dressing room.

01:03:57Like, what is going where?

01:03:59And then you see Travis and then you see Quavo and now SummerSlam at MetLife.

01:04:03We'll see Cardi.

01:04:03Yep.

01:04:04Like it's just Cardi B.

01:04:06Yeah, Cardi.

01:04:08Cardi.

01:04:10But yeah, it's a cool time and I appreciate it.

01:04:13I receive your flowers.

01:04:14And yeah, I'm incredibly grateful that I've been able to take these worlds I love.

01:04:20My shout out to my friend and my former co-host on the radio in New York, Michael K,

01:04:24the voice of the Yankees, who said something very funny to me the other day that was so

01:04:28accurate.

01:04:29He goes, someone was making a joke.

01:04:32One of my co-hosts was making a joke about being calling me a nerd or saying, you're

01:04:36like, you're not cool, blah, blah, blah.

01:04:37And Michael K was like, well, I'll say this about Peter.

01:04:41None of the things that he's into are that cool.

01:04:44But the total package comes together really well.

01:04:47And I would say he probably wouldn't include hip-hop in that because hip-hop is kind of

01:04:51inherently cool.

01:04:52Although the backpack nerd rap that I'm into, maybe not.

01:04:56But you add the whole thing up.

01:04:58And I'm like, you know what?

01:04:59It has come together in a kind of interesting, cool way.

01:05:02Because who doesn't like hip-hop?

01:05:03And who doesn't like sports?

01:05:05And we know who doesn't like wrestling.

01:05:07If you have taste, who doesn't like wrestling.

01:05:08Exactly.

01:05:09So no, I'm super, not generically, legitimately super blessed and appreciative of it.

01:05:14We love that.

01:05:15Hopefully, we see you again.

01:05:17Thank you for kicking.

01:05:18It's a good show.

01:05:18I like the show.

01:05:19You get to talk your shit, man.

01:05:21It's a smart, shit-talky show with a legit, nice studio here right in the heart of New

01:05:28York City.

01:05:28Right in the heart of New York City.

01:05:29Midtown, baby.

01:05:30You guys, by the way, the location is an insane flex.

01:05:35You could get artists here, and they can walk directly to Gucci and Louis V the second

01:05:40they finish the interview.

01:05:41That's a real perk for people.

01:05:42I think we're doing all right.

01:05:43That's part of the pitch package.

01:05:47Across the street from the Louis Vuitton store.

01:05:49If you want to stop by.

01:05:50But no, real talk, thank you, Peter, for joining us.

01:05:53Appreciate y'all for kicking it with us for another episode of Billboard Unfiltered.

01:05:57We will see you soon.

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