Can the PPP Separate from the Government Over the Canals Issue in Sindh?
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00:00I wish he would have kept that sort, I will tell you, but you should look for that sort.
00:10The way he spoke, Mr. Ranjana, do you think this is a storm in the teacup, Mr. Mazhar,
00:16that this is Mr. Ranjana's analysis, that simply he said that if someone does a hijack,
00:21then we should lead it, or it can really become a point of no return between the two.
00:26The first thing is that the People's Party is not in a position to lead this movement.
00:33The People's Party is the biggest party and it has the most people, there is no doubt about that.
00:37But the way people have come out on this issue, and the way there is a protest,
00:43that has forced the People's Party on this issue.
00:47Look, the issue is very simple, I am sorry.
00:51I don't understand that Mr. Azim Tadar and the Prime Minister and all the people keep talking about the constitution.
01:02In the last one year, not a single meeting of the Council of Common Interest has taken place.
01:07All these issues are arising because of that.
01:10And it is very clearly written in the constitution.
01:13There is no doubt about it.
01:15That after every 90 days, a CCI meeting has to take place.
01:19Tell me, is the entire government following the violation of this article of the constitution from the Prime Minister?
01:27Or not?
01:28Whether it is this issue or other issues,
01:33if you are not calling for a meeting of the Council of Common Interest, then these issues will get complicated.
01:39This issue of water, Mr. Ghani is absolutely right that this is an issue of life and death.
01:44The People's Party has to make a commitment that if, despite their protest,
01:53this canal is being built,
01:56these canals are being built,
01:59the water of Pakistan is being stopped,
02:02then the People's Party has to make a commitment that they will withdraw with the support of Wifaq.
02:10No such announcement has been made yet.
02:13All the speeches are being made,
02:15the demonstrations are being held,
02:18now after April 4, they will protest in every district.
02:22All these things are in their place.
02:24But that commitment, it is possible that on April 4,
02:29if you do it despite all this, then we will withdraw from Wifaq.
02:34Rana Sanahullah is doing it in a different context.
02:38He is doing it in the context that if the People's Party leaves and the support of this government falls,
02:44this government loses the majority in the parliament,
02:47then of course they will go towards a new election,
02:50of course the situation will get worse,
02:52and perhaps on the basis of which,
02:55in the alliance of PMLN and the People's Party,
02:58I will not say that they are a part of the government,
03:01but they are its partners, they are its supporters.
03:04So if this government falls,
03:07then of course the People's Party will have to bear its burden.
03:10Rana Sanahullah is probably saying that we cannot afford this.
03:16Yes, this is true.
03:18Mr. Rana, I think that PMLN and other leaders have talked about this.
03:25I think that whatever happens,
03:27because as long as the issue of Imran Khan is there, everything is there,
03:30we are in such a helpless situation that none of us can move,
03:34so someone will do it, there will be a commotion,
03:37and this is just an important issue.
03:40Why are you dragging Imran Khan into this?
03:43Mr. Singh, they think that the government's insurance company is a common threat.
04:02But I say to you with great responsibility that the People's Party cannot afford this.
04:11Look, they have been in power since 2008.
04:15And on such an occasion,
04:18if it is seen that the water of Sindh,
04:22and the problem with water is that,
04:25today itself, I am not talking about anyone else,
04:28Punjab's disaster management agency has said that due to less rainfall,
04:35Bahawalnagar, Bahawalpur, Rahim Yar Khan,
04:40these three cities will be highly water stressed.
04:44This is what the Punjab government is saying.
04:47Brother, you are not being able to supply water on your own,
04:51so how are you going to build more dams?
04:54But this is a good excuse,
04:56you are saying that the water has already been depleted,
04:58we are not even doing this project,
05:00if we delay it, it will be over.
05:01No, no, no, it is not like that,
05:03but now people have doubts in their hearts.
05:08The People's Party,
05:10you have only said that Jameel Soomro will say on 4th March,
05:14the build-up has started for him,
05:16like today Nisar Khodo,
05:19he has taken the name of Maryam Bibi,
05:22and has started to criticize these rivers.
05:26Now, the real game is that,
05:29Rana Sanaullah is expressing great confidence,
05:33the real thing is this,
05:35what Mr. Marwad said yesterday,
05:37the forward block,
05:38when that forward block is made,
05:40then the People's Party,
05:41if it is separated,
05:42then we are with them,
05:43our numbers are complete,
05:44we have taken the scene.
05:46On this issue,
05:48People's Party cannot afford to play drama,
05:52they have to go an extra mile,
05:54if they don't go, it is finished.
05:56Sir Shahnawaz Bhutto,
05:58in his separation from Bombay,
06:01he played a key role,
06:03but he lost the elections.
06:05Muneeb, before I come to you,
06:07listen to the interesting argument
06:09given by Rana Sanaullah.
06:11The speed of the protest,
06:13this is after this meeting,
06:15you mentioned the meeting correctly,
06:17this is after that,
06:18the movement has increased,
06:20the People's Party was not there before,
06:22they were sidestepping in a roundabout way,
06:24now they have taken ownership,
06:26this is after this meeting,
06:28and 4th April is not far,
06:304th April will come after a few days,
06:32they said they will lead,
06:34so clearly,
06:35the talks of that meeting were not so good,
06:37or solid,
06:38otherwise,
06:39why would they take such an extreme position?
06:41No,
06:42we are completely satisfied with that meeting,
06:46we are completely satisfied,
06:49otherwise,
06:50they will have to take ownership,
06:53the reason for that is,
06:55if they don't take ownership,
06:57someone else will take it.
06:59At this time,
07:00the fight is for ownership,
07:02so the People's Party is a political party,
07:06and they understand the ups and downs of politics,
07:12they will capture this space,
07:15they will not leave space for anyone else,
07:18that they will take it.
07:20This is your excellent analysis,
07:22you are saying that,
07:24on 4th April,
07:26if there are very harsh speeches,
07:29and full-fledged protests,
07:32it is not because they are angry with you,
07:35and are preparing to separate,
07:37they want that the same party is sitting on the table,
07:41instead of other nationalists,
07:43this is what you are saying.
07:45Absolutely,
07:47as a political activist,
07:50this is my assessment,
07:52and I believe that,
07:54if the People's Party does this,
07:56it will do the right thing,
07:58it will do the right politics,
08:00and it has to do this.
08:02Muneeb, you have heard it,
08:04they are simply looking at it,
08:06as a big political maneuvering,
08:08or a posturing.
08:10Nusrat, I think,
08:12this may be a big mistake,
08:14but they are purely looking at it as a posturing.
08:17Do you think,
08:19the government,
08:21and all the people,
08:23think that,
08:25we have put PTI on such a back foot,
08:27that these things can be afforded to each other,
08:30or are they stuck, helplessly?
08:32They have no option,
08:34except to support each other at all costs.
08:38Thank you very much, Mr. Malik.
08:40I will agree with this,
08:42that this whole matter,
08:44the Pakistan People's Party,
08:46as it is called in English,
08:48stealing the thunder,
08:50they have basically,
08:52stolen the thunder,
08:54of the nationalist parties,
08:56and rightly so,
08:58that can be their political strategy.
09:00Definitely, they would say,
09:02that we have taken ownership of it.
09:04But there is another side to it,
09:06Mr. Malik, if you look at it,
09:08that this whole issue of water,
09:10if it starts,
09:12then the point of view on it,
09:14is that,
09:16if you look at the dynamics of it,
09:18then it becomes one and the same,
09:20but basically,
09:22there is a drought,
09:24there is an announcement,
09:26and all these things are bad,
09:28then it is better,
09:30that you,
09:32this is such a cause,
09:34on which you know,
09:36that Pakistan's army chief also went there,
09:38and basically said,
09:40that many things are being done,
09:42it is a marriage of helplessness,
09:44politically,
09:46and as Mr. Shah said,
09:48that with an adhesive,
09:50or I would say,
09:52with a special type of tape,
09:54it is a coalition,
09:56so you name it as you like,
09:58so this is helplessness,
10:00Pakistan People's Party,
10:02for that matter, I would say,
10:04cannot afford to leave this coalition,
10:06nor, for no reason,
10:08they want to stand out of the sunshine,
10:10and such a thing,
10:12that when everything is going well,
10:14or at least some things are going better,
10:16then they don't need to do anything against themselves,
10:18see,
10:20if you look at it from another aspect,
10:22then Mr. Zardari, in his own capacity,
10:24is absolutely right, he will aspire,
10:26that his family, his children,
10:28So you are saying,
10:30the Punjab government,
10:32the Centre and the Punjab government,
10:34will have to back off,
10:36the People's Party has no option,
10:38they have no option to back off,
10:40somebody has to back off,
10:42I am not saying this,
10:44no, no, I am saying,
10:46see, the issue of the Centre and Punjab,
10:48comes later,
10:50if the People's Party has to back off,
10:52then they can do it somewhere else,
10:54because the ownership of this whole matter,
10:56has gone somewhere else,
10:58so if the People's Party,
11:00has to negotiate these things,
11:02then you will see the PMLN friends,
11:04but the real matter is somewhere else,
11:06if those matters have to be rectified,
11:08then they should focus on that,
11:10see, political bashing is very easy,
11:12you sit with the PMLN,
11:14you tell them,
11:16you have a very strange,
11:18non-political attitude,
11:20I think you have hit the nail on the head,
11:22I think you have hit the nail on the head,
11:24you take a break on this,